Real Love in Real Life - Communication: Sharing Hearts Not Just Words, Part 1

One of the most fundamental problems in every relationship is communication, whether it's with your boss, your brother, your sister, your boyfriend, girlfriend, or mate. If you can't communicate, if you can't connect hearts, it never works. Today, we're going to start a little journey and help you learn to communicate in a way that brings real connection to real relationships.

Stay with me. Welcome to this Edition of Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram. I'm Dave Drouie, and the mission of these daily programs is to intentionally disciple Christians through the Bible teaching of Chip Ingram. We're in the middle of our series, Real Love in Real Life, and in this message Chip tackles the complex subject of communication in relationships. He's going to share the different ways we interact with and talk to one another and help us understand why it's so difficult to really connect with some people and perhaps why it's difficult for others to relate to you.

Some food for thought as we get started. So turn in your Bibles to Ephesians chapter four, and let's join Chip for his message, Communication, Sharing Hearts, Not Just Words. Communication is the highway upon which love travels.

Okay? Communication is the highway upon which love travels. You can love one another.

You can love God. You can be committed to one another, and if you can't get out inside of you what you really think and what you really feel, and if your mate can't do it in a way that doesn't attack and wound one another, I will tell you in years and years of marriage counseling, there are people that love one another, love God, and no longer are together because they could not communicate and get to the heart of the issues. I told you earlier about that first couple of years of my life, and that professor sent us to marriage counseling, and I bet 90% of it was learning to communicate. We didn't know how to resolve anger, and we didn't know how to communicate. Well, you know what? There's a lot of issues that if you can't get the love traveling on the highway of communication, you're dead, and the frustration boils over especially if you really love God, and you want to get through, and you want to express this to your mate, but you just keep getting knocked down.

Pretty soon, the blame starts. The greatest, most vivid example, it's in your notes, it starts with it all started with the car. It was early past that I had in Texas many, many years ago, and I love to play basketball. If you've ever heard me speak, you know I'm a basketball junkie and had the privilege of playing in college and then around the world for a couple three summers, and these neighbors had a hoop, and so I knew these were going to be my friends, because I'm going to go play, and we started playing, and he had three boys, and I had boys, and one thing led to another, and I found out that he was there.

He'd been through a couple very difficult relationships, and he had four teenagers, and he was living with a gal who'd been through some really painful relationships and a couple three marriages, and she had a tiny little girl, and they were all living together, and so we went down to play basketball six, seven, eight, nine months, and little by little got a chance to share Christ with them, and then he came down one day, and I can still remember, you know, I was weeding next to my mailbox, and Dan comes by, why didn't you tell me? I said, what do you mean? Why didn't you tell me? I said, why didn't I tell you what? That you're one of those preacher types.

You're a pastor. I said, well, yeah, I am. He said, well, we've been kind of watching you and Theresa, and we've been listening, and we want to get married. Will you marry us? And I'm thinking, oh boy. I said, well, I tell you what, one of the things I have is I always do six weeks minimum of counseling, and you really need to know what marriage is, and it's kind of hard, and so I want to talk about how that works, and I would love to meet with you and your wife, and Theresa will do it too.

Well, we did it by about the third session. They both came to Christ. Amazing stories, great redemption, and I went through the whole process, and then now we're into this new marriage, six or nine months. They're both brand new in Christ. They both love God.

They're both in God's Word. They're both going, I will say it was a good church. I got to be the pastor.

It was a great group of people, and so I came by, and he was in this traveling job where, you know, like Monday through Thursday or even all the way to Friday, he'd be traveling all over America in sales, and then come home. Well, she's with four teenagers that aren't hers, okay, and they're making her nuts, and so he comes home, and he's thinking, oh, I haven't seen my wife. Let's go out to dinner. I'm going to really love her.

We're going to have a date. This is all the stuff, and she's thinking, we've got to resolve conflict with Bob at school and, you know, your other son and your daughter. You know, she's dating this guy, and she's juggling all this stuff, and so anyway, they come home, and she's listening. She's meeting with Theresa, and he's meeting with me, so this is, listen, listen. They love each other.

Remember, they're committed to the Lord. Remember, they're actually growing spiritually, remember, and so he comes home for the weekend, and she says, I want to be other-centered and grace-giving, so they go out to a beautiful dinner. They have a romantic evening. They take walks the next day, and, you know, but she keeps waiting for, when are we going to have the big talk? I mean, when are you going to sit down and talk about, you know, am I going to discipline these kids, and they're too big for me, and what about these issues, and we've got all kind of things we need to do.

Well, he wants to be other-centered, and it's getting cold in Texas, so it's Sunday afternoon, and he's going to get on a plane in about five or six hours, so he is out underneath the car changing the oil of her car to make sure the antifreeze, so he's loving her, all right? You got the story. I walk down. I know we're not going to get to play basketball, and my, one of my kids runs out of the house and says, Dad, you better watch out. It's going like crazy down there. I said, well, what do you mean? So I walk up.

By the time I get there, I mean it is a no-holds-barred. He's going to half under the car sitting up like that. There is veins, eyes bulbing. Plates have already been flowing. There is cursing.

There is you are this. Everything they've ever thought, I mean, like, all, everything they brought into their marriage that was ugly bad, they just spewed it on one another, and I mean, my kid ran out and said, what happened? Well, that plate almost hit me when it went by and crashed against the wall, you know, and I said, well, get home, you know, and so I watched all this happen, and she's there thinking what? And I'm loving these four adults, you know, teenage adults, and I've got all this stuff on my hands, and you've been here two and a half days. We've had a decent talk, and you're going to get on a plane. I'm stuck with all this. I don't know what we're going to do, and he's thinking, you know what? I have come home, and I have wined and dined instead of getting to work out and doing some stuff I wanted to do, and I took these romantic walks and talks like Chip says we're supposed to do and all this jazz, and here I am out here trying to get your car ready for you so you're safe, and you treat, and I will remember doing a debrief about a week later and hours with him, Teresa hours with her, bring them both together.

Here's what I can tell you. He did what he did all weekend for one reason. He loved her.

She did what she did all weekend because she loved him. They both put the other person first in a way that they understood to obey God, and they had one of the biggest fights that put a barrier in their marriage that they never recovered from. See, we learned you need to love God and know his plan.

They knew it. We said their barriers. They identified their barriers, and they loved one another, and they were operating to solve it, but what they couldn't do is they had not learned how on the highway of communication to get the love that was in heart for his wife and her love for him on the highway of communication in a way that could get received, and under pressure they went back to the old ways, and you know, to this day, I know two people are no longer together who love one another, who both love God because they didn't learn what we're going to learn right now. Let's talk about the communication process.

We're going to learn what it is and how it works. Understanding the communication process, the definition is the meeting of meanings. Write the word meanings. Communication is not talking. It's when the meaning, what's in your heart, what do you really mean, somehow goes across this highway into the heart and to the mind of your mate. Norman Wright says communication is the privilege of exchanging vulnerabilities.

By the way, the word vulnerable, it means open to woundedness. See, great communication is always risky and often painful before it gets good. Norman Wright also says communication is the process of sharing yourself verbally and non-verbally in such a way that the other person, listen, can both accept and understand what you're saying. So if you say it in a way where they can't accept it or they can't understand it, you don't communicate. You can say, I said the right words, I wrote it down, this is the way it is. If they can't hear it, you didn't communicate. And a lot of times we do things unintentionally, completely unintentionally, that shut down the communication process.

Many of us think, especially us as men, we think communication, look, that's what I said, I said I love you, okay? Look, I love you. You don't get it?

What's the deal? I love you. Hey, I said it once, I said it twice, you know, I love you, okay?

Get over it. Now what did my words say? Someone could have put that in a transcript and said, oh my, Chip's such a wonderful husband.

He just said six times in a row, I love you. Except that wasn't my tone of voice, was it? Notice on your notes, the complete message, words alone are about seven percent. Tone of voice, 38 percent.

Facial expression, gestures, posture, the non-verbal, 55 percent. And by the way, that's sometimes, as men, we get really frustrated because we, you know, we're really trying, but they can read behind. And some of you guys can do it too. You know, it's kind of like, yeah, let's, yeah, you know, yeah, we need that deep talk. Yeah, go ahead, hun, you know, whatever.

Just, I mean, tell me, I really want to hear. Oh, yeah, yeah, uh, communication, that's, kids, yeah, let's go. No, I'm listening, I'm listening.

Right? You see, your body, your presence, your face, your tone of voice, your eyes, all of that is how we communicate with one another. And if we think I said the right thing, or I even meant the right thing, and if you think you got through, you may not have all. And I notice it's a skill. It's the highway on which love travels. It is a skill. It can be learned.

But most of us did not grow up with models where people communicated clearly and well, and most of us don't know how. I mean, I spent about $90, and that was a student rate. I spent $90, I'm making $1,000 a month in seminary. And I've got three kids, I'm working full-time, going to school full-time. And I've got this little tiny apartment that you can live all that on a thousand, I paid $90 for 12 weeks in a row to learn how to communicate. So, actually, I should be charging most of you for me telling you what these counselors taught me, all right? And then I have some passages that will be helpful too.

But it's a skill. There's five levels of communication according to author John Powell who wrote the book Why I'm Afraid to Tell You Who I Am. He says there's the cliche, level one, safe, shallow, you know, how are you, I'm fine. There's level two, reporting facts, refers to basically third person. Have you heard about the weather today?

No, I think it's going to rain. There's level three, ideas or judgment. Risk begins here because there's attachment of yourself with the facts. So, what did you think of that message last week in church? What do you think about the current political situation?

What do you think about what we need to do with our money? Do you see? Now, what you say may cause a little conflict, so it's getting a little bit more dangerous. Level four is feelings and emotions, laying self on the line. I feel hurt. I'm struggling. I'm depressed.

I was really offended last night when we were with that couple and you brought that subject up that, you know, you never talked with me about that. I felt really damaged. Level five is open communication, total honesty, mutual understanding, vulnerability, no holes barred. Now on the left side of your notes, at the very top where it says level one, I want you to write the word safe and put a box around it. And then at the very bottom where it says level five, I want you to write the word dangerous.

Because here's what you need to understand. Shallow communication is very safe, but it doesn't lead to intimacy. Intimacy occurs at levels four and five. It moves from safe to dangerous, but deeply fulfilling along with deeply painful conversations happen at levels four and especially at level five. And if you don't understand, then you'll start opening up and you'll start sharing and then some hard things are going to come out and you're going to get wounded and you're going to get hurt. And instead of realizing, oh, this is normal, this is like we're at level 4.5 and I guess I need to be real sensitive to what the Spirit's saying so that before it comes out of my mouth, I really process it. And instead of striking back, maybe I really need to listen carefully. There may be a nugget of truth into this.

See, if you don't know it's dangerous, then you'll react, right? And pretty soon you'll close down. And we want to talk about, so how in the world do you move from level one down progressively in different areas to level five?

Intimacy always occurs at levels four and five. But some of you might be having this thought, well, wait a minute. You know, I've tried that before and you're right, there is a lot of pain. I was really open before.

And we've done some of that and you know what, if you're going to ask me to go there again, I'm not going to do it because it hurt too badly. And what I want to suggest is that you need some rules. You need some principles from God to build that highway of communication so you can go there without getting hurt, all right?

So with that, let me give you five principles I believe that will transform communication in your home. If you open your Bibles to Ephesians chapter four, the context is really exciting because the first three chapters are about all these wonderful great things that God has done. You're a new person in Christ. Then chapter four opens up, now walk in a manner worthy of your calling.

In other words, how do you live out this new supernatural life? The Spirit of God has taken up residence in you. You've been taken out of the kingdom of darkness. You've been pulled into the kingdom of light. Your sins are gone.

You have peace. The Spirit lives in you. You're a part of a new family called the church.

You are going to be transformed. He says, how does it work? And in the first 17 verses, he begins to explain about who you are in Christ and how your mind needs to be transformed. And the supernatural thing called the church is called a community where he gives apostles and prophets and evangelists and teachers so that he equipped the saints to do the work in the ministry until everyone is mature. And the idea is where all the fullness, we become more and more like Jesus.

And then after he lays all that out, he picks it up and he says, okay, now let me target about five specific areas about how this practically works out in your relationships. How do you live out this new supernatural life, the Spirit of God in you? You're born again.

You're a Christian. How does it work in relationships? And he gives five very simple principles. Principle number one, you pick it up in verse 15, but he develops it in verse 25 and it's simply put, be honest.

Write those two words down. Speak the truth in love. I mean, this is the key to communication. It is easy to speak the truth. It is easy to speak in love. It is very hard to speak the truth in love.

I mean, you know, it's easy to speak the truth. You gained a lot of weight lately. What's the problem? Oh, nothing really.

I think it's the lazy guy I'm married to. The truth is just right out there on the table. No problem here, right? But I'm not sure that's going to bring about good communication.

Or you don't ever mention areas that are of pain or a problem. Oh, you're wonderful. I'm wonderful. You're wonderful. I'm wonderful. No, you know, you're more wonderful.

No, no, no, no, no. You're wonderful, but I'm more wonderful. And you just take all that junk.

You don't face it and you push it down. Speaking the truth isn't hard. Speaking in love isn't hard. Speaking the truth in love requires tremendous spirit-directed capacity. Notice what he says in verse 15. But speaking the truth in love, notice what happens. We are to grow up into all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ.

Finish then with lying and tell your neighbor the truth. Well, your mate is a neighbor. We are not separate units, but intimately related to one another in Christ. It means that we stop pretending. It means we don't lie. And it means that in a very calculated, wise, God-ordained way, we begin to move into levels four and five and we start talking honestly about areas that are of conflict, areas that are hard, areas where you're dissatisfied, areas where you feel wounded. But you speak the truth in a way where the other person can hear it because it's couched in, I'm not down on you.

This is not payback. And I'm going to give you some specific skills toward the end about how to do this, okay? But what you got to do, we've got to be honest. You don't grow unless we're honest with one another.

One of the little applications I would give you right in your notes, make direct requests. One of the things we do is we think our mates can read our minds. And so the car is a quarter low on empty and your husband drives your car and it comes back all the way on empty. And you're frustrated and everything. And so what we go to is, I can't believe he's so inconsiderate. Why does he leave my car that way?

Well, I'll get news for you. If he's anything like me, I don't know where my car is. Heaven knows I know what yours is. You know, often my wife grew up with a dad who was like Mr. Fixit, you know, like Mr. Rogers on steroids except, you know, Mr. Green Jeans was there. And he painted his house every three years whether it needed it or not. I didn't even notice when our house needed painted, okay? And so she's thinking I'm going to be like him. And so she's assuming, well, you know, why have you serviced the cars? They're not running, you know? Or, you know, when are we going to repair this thing?

It doesn't look broken to me. That's way too, I wasn't good or bad. I just, you know what my dad was good at? Catching baseballs, hitting baseballs, playing basketball.

He was a golden glove boxer. You know what I learned? I learned how to do sports. I didn't, you know, when something broke, my dad's call the repairman.

He couldn't do anything and he reproduced after himself. And you know what she learned? Here's the skill. Make direct requests.

You know what she started doing? Simple things like, Chip, are you going to use my car right now? Yeah, because I need it.

It's got more room. Would you mind filling it with gas? No. In fact, I did.

It felt like a hero. Oh boy, look at this, you know? In fact, I started changing the oil. I mean, she thought I was metamorphosized right in front of her. Speak the truth in love.

Those kind of issues like that sometimes go unspoken for 10, 15, 20 years in marriages. Second, you didn't know this much was in the Bible, did you? Be angry. Deal with anger appropriately.

Notice what it says. If you're angry, be sure that it's not out of wounded pride or bad temper. Never go to bed angry.

Don't give the devil that sort of foothold. That's a Phillips translation of Ephesians 4, 26 and 27. The literal translation is be angry. It's a command. It's an imperative.

Yet, do not sin. Don't let the sun go down on your anger. Anger is the most destructive emotion in any marriage relationship. Anger is the distance between your expectations and your experience is anger. The difference between what you thought was going to happen and what you're currently experiencing creates anger.

Now sometimes it's justified and sometimes it's not. It just, you know, they just tick you off a little bit and it's because you're selfish. But he says be angry. If you don't deal with that anger and if you push it down, you know, some researchers say as much as 90% of all depression is rooted in unresolved anger.

Well, I can tell you it will cause your stomach to do this. But here's what's for us. What's this verse say? You know, we don't think about, you know, the spirit world and, you know, Jesus came to what? To give life. The enemy came to destroy and to steal and to kill. What's this verse say? Be angry, yet don't sin. Don't let the enemy get a foothold. You know, when you go to bed mad, when you have unresolved anger, when you push it down, you're inviting demonic spirits to begin to divide.

And then you start playing in your mind and blame shifting. And I'll tell you what, it is a serious thing to be able to say, I feel angry. I don't know how we need to resolve it, but I feel angry about. One of the little tools and I feel bad giving this away because I paid my $90 for 12 weeks, but I'm giving it to you free, so I want you to write this down. A skill here is what we call I feel messages.

Our Christian counselor, on a three by five card, it was on our refrigerator for two years. I feel blank when you blank. Okay, you want me to go over that again slower?

Okay. I feel blank, hurt, angry, frustrated, lonely. When you blank, don't come home on time, don't call, are not affectionate or responsive.

I feel blank when you blank. See, what we tend to do is we use ought and should and never and always. You should never know that, you always do that, you.

How do parents talk to children? Ought, should, never, always. When you hear that from your mate, those are fighting words. You tell a man, you never, you ought, you should, his manhood is challenged, you want to hear, you think that's it? And when you say that to a woman, it's like some, you're not my father talking down to me and making me feel small.

Well, if you think she's withdrawing now, you keep talking like that. My wife and I bumped heads and we didn't know how to resolve anger and that card was on here and I had one thing that drove her crazy. She would make dinner and she is what we call a dot communicator, I'm a dash communicator. Dot communicators mean when they say something, there's a period at the end of it. We're going to eat at 5.30, dot.

It's concrete, not 5.31, 5.30. And when you come in at 20 till 6, I'm a dash. 5.30, you say, hey, let's meet at 5.30, to me, that's 20 after 5, 20 to 6, depending on traffic, depending on whatever else is happening, I'm sure you understand, I understand, I'll give you grace, you give me grace.

Okay, I'm a dash, I'm married to a dot, yet another difference. So it's 5.30 and I come in not at 20 till and I don't call and it's now at 6 o'clock and I'm thinking, you don't understand, I'm working full time, I'm going to school full time, like two afternoons I can play pickup basketball. When you play pickup basketball, when you win, you stay on. Okay?

Okay? I've won three games, I'm not going to leave when I'm still on. I mean, this is my one little fun, you know, I mean, I'm the skinny little white kid playing, I'm on.

I'm going to, I can't go home. And so I come home like 30, 40 minutes late and I've had a great time playing basketball and then here we go again. You ought, you should, you never, here's the cold supper and then we fought about it and then so we communicated as we did. She would shut down for two or three days and I would, you know, try and make it up to her and then I kept doing the same thing.

And I'll never forget, I came home typically late and instead of she acting like my mother, and by the way, when your wife acts like your mother, just take it to the bank honey, we were going bam, you know, right? And so, she didn't have her hands on her hips and there was candles and all, she goes, your food's in the oven, I'll get it for you if you want to sit down. Uh-oh. You know, I don't know what this counselor's teaching her but it's getting scary and so she brings it and she sets it down and she said, I want you to know the kids and I had a good meal.

I said, oh. You know, I'm thinking, oh gosh, I'm not sure how to handle this and so I sat down and I started to eat and she just waited, calm, under control, clothed in her right mind and I had all my defenses up and I'll never forget, she looked at me and she said, Chip, I feel like you don't love me when I spend all day cooking a meal to express my love to you and you don't show up and you don't call. It was like, get up and fight like a real man.

You know, eyes watering up. I feel like, see, do you see where the attack has gone? It's an I feel message and pretty soon it was I feel frustrated, I feel confused, I feel lonely, I feel left out and you can learn to begin to express anger with this little message that doesn't attack the person and then, you know, I don't know, something happened, I just thought, now wait a second, I love to play ball but I love my wife. If this makes her feel like I don't love her, hey guys, I got news for you, you know what, get a brother over here and it's a chain link fans, I said, you know what, this is your lucky day, I'm on and this is my team and you get my spot, I got to go, okay, you can run and I got home, I mean, it got to be, I rarely ever was not on time because as long as she was chiding me, as long as she was trying to get to change me instead of opening her heart and telling me how she felt, then we were in a battle.

When I realized I was wounding her, well, I mean, I may not be sensitive but I'm not a jerk, that is what, you know, isn't it the kindness of the Lord that brings us to repentance, it was her kindness to transform me, not her nagging. You've been listening to part one of Chip's message, communication, sharing hearts, not just words. We'll be right back with his application for this teaching from his series, Real Love in Real Life. Have you ever wondered what real genuine love looks like or what it means to be in love? Well, in this five-part series, Chip tackles these tough questions and helps us understand the depths of God's love for us. Chip also reveals what causes failure and dysfunction in relationships and how we can not only find real love but grow it, keep it and make it last a lifetime.

You're not going to want to miss a single part of this series. Learn more about Real Love in Real Life and our many resources by going to LivingOnTheEdge.org or by calling us at 888-333-6003. That's 888-333-6003 or LivingOnTheEdge.org.

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Invite 10 people to join you. Let's be difference makers. Let's learn the art of survival in the age of chaos. You know, those early disciples turned the world upside down and that's God's plan for you and me.

Won't you join me? Thanks, Chip. Well, we're so excited to share with you our new daily discipleship with Chip, The Art of Survival, based in James chapter 1. Through this free video series, we'll discover how to handle circumstances out of our control, guard our attitude against discouragement, and trust God and His provision. If you're ready to learn the art of surviving in these challenging times, then pre-register today to take the Daily Discipleship with Chip Challenge. And when you sign up, we'll send you a new leather-bound prayer journal as our gift to you. To take this free 10-day Daily Discipleship Challenge, go to livingontheedge.org or call 888-333-6003.

That's 888-333-6003 or go to livingontheedge.org. App listeners, tap Discipleship. With that, Chip, let's get to your application for this program. This is one of those messages that when I finish speaking, I wish you and I literally could grab a cup of coffee and sit down and talk about, so what did you really hear? And there's two big things we talked about, being honest and we talked about being angry. And being honest is hard, but I will tell you, my experience, being angry is almost impossible. Some of us learned being angry is wrong. And when you stuff your anger, I will tell you, you get depressed. If you explode with your anger, you alienate people. If you kind of leak your anger out and are sarcastic, it just destroys relationships. And so I gave you one little tool about I feel message that was literally on the refrigerator for two years in our home because, at least in my marriage relationship, I didn't know how to express anger.

But it spilled over everywhere. In a good friendship, I didn't know how to express anger. At work with a fellow staff member, I was really frustrated. And when I learned to say, I feel frustrated, or I felt hurt, or I feel disappointed, it was a game changer. And what I want you to know is of all the areas of communication that block it, most of us don't know how to deal with our anger. I was teaching in a church and there was a brilliant psychologist who had written a couple books for InterVarsity. And she teamed up with me when she heard this series and she said, you know something, there's some good stuff here and I think I could really help people at an even deeper level. And we teamed up and wrote a book together called Overcoming Emotions That Destroy. And I've just had people tell me that I've read this book and it was a super game changer because I had no idea that I had even an anger problem.

So could I encourage you, take the next step, try the I feel messages, download the notes, and maybe get the small group series Overcoming Emotions That Destroy, or if just on your own, get the book. It's all available at Living on the Edge and we would love to help you. As we wrap up this program, just a quick but important thought. Living on the Edge depends on listeners just like you to help us continue to encourage Christians to live like Christians. So would you consider partnering with us on a monthly basis so people around you can benefit from the ministry of Living on the Edge? To set up a recurring donation, call us at 888-333-7200. Or go to livingontheedge.org. App listeners tap donate. Thanks in advance for doing whatever God leads you to do. We'll join us again next time as Chip continues his series Real Love in Real Life. Until then, this is Dave Druey saying thanks for listening to this Edition of Living on the Edge.