Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at CARM.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live. Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody, how you doing out there? Oh, I hope you had a great weekend. If you want to give me a call, as usual, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. So I want to hear from you.

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877-207-2276. The thing that's on my mind lately is the state of the Christian church. And I believe that Christianity is going to become more under attack. And I mean, I talk about this every now and then. And so I'm working on something. I have resurrected a project that I haven't touched for a few years. And it's called the Family Training Course. And I've been going through it today, working on some stuff that needs to be done. As long as also working on the schools and editing. And there's just so much. We're getting the new schools ready.

Hopefully in four weeks or so, they'll be ready if we can focus and get them all released and everything. And so I think that Christians need to be praying and going to church and develop some networks, network communities of friends who you can count on. Because I believe that things are going to get worse.

I know that some people believe in what's called post-melanalism. And it's the view that the gospel will go out to all the earth. And then the people will be saved. And Christ will usher in the kingdom. And Jesus will come back. I don't buy that one.

I don't get that. Now, let me ask, let's see, the callers are coming in, but they're losing connection or something. So I guess it's staying this time.

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C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And that's the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry. There's a lot of information there. So why don't we just jump on the phones right now? I'm going to get to Russ from Florida. Hey, Russ.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, man. How you doing? Doing all right, man. Hanging in.

Where do you go, buddy? So, OK. So I haven't really studied textual criticism till lately.

It doesn't matter to me. But been onto it lately. And so I just want to ask you if you can give me more information than what I have. And so basically what it's... And I've read Gretchen Machin's book, James White, A.T. Robinson. Those are great scholars with no doubt.

And they're Westcott and Hort people. And it seems like their basic reasoning is because it's older. The copy is older. It goes back to like 325.

The Texas Receptus is 395. Something like that. But then, if you look at the early Church Fathers like Polycarp, Ignatius, Irenacius, Tertullian, you know, on and on, dozens of them are quoting from what's in the Texas Receptus versus, you know, versus it's like, I'm sorry, just threw a blank, but versus like, you know, it's the one from Texas Receptus, but they say those verses are not supposed to be there. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, this is a...

So what else can you tell me? That's a difficult problem. OK, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, it's a difficult issue. Because textual critics, they study these things and the normal accepted range or idea is that the older is better, even if the older is more difficult. That's the general rule.

But of course, they don't die on that hill. If the very early people reference something different, it doesn't mean that that's the right one. It means that it's evidence that it's the right one doesn't mean it is the right one. You know, when people hear this stuff, they think that there's major differences in the Bible. That's not the case.

So people know there's spelling differences and a couple of how a few how things are worded. And there's some issues like that. But nevertheless, so... But let's say, can I jump in just a second? Sure. So you said it doesn't mean it's the right one.

My basic question is why? And so let me say this, if you have Polycarp quoting, for example, 1 John 5.7, and someone says, well, you got to throw out 1 John 5.7 because it's not in the accepted text, but you got an early church father quoting it. Well, it doesn't mean it's from the actual Texas Receptors, but it does mean that verse was in play very early on, right? Right. It means that's exactly the right way to put it.

It was in play. The question then becomes, is it part of an original text? Because that's one of the major variants of the New Testament, the common Jehanium for John 5.7. And so you could have Polycarp, people don't know who Polycarp is, but he's the disciple of John the Apostle.

So that's very early. And so if something like that occurs, it carries a lot of weight. But like I said, I'm not a textual critic expert, so I don't know all the sub issues. You could have Polycarp quote something, but the question then becomes, well, why?

And without that information, we really can't say, is he quoting something that he thought was legit because there was a manuscript going around that he had access to or a different manuscript that didn't have the comma in it, and he liked it because he's not inspired. So just because it's that early doesn't necessitate that it's the right one. But it's generally speaking, the earlier quotes go, the more evidence that it is the right one. But it doesn't always necessitate that.

That's just it. And that's why I just defer to the critics. I've never studied the issue super in-depth because there are pluses and minuses on both sides. And I don't know if it's truly decipherable, you know? But if Polycarp or one of the church fathers is quoting it, then I can at least say, I can't throw it out, right?

Or would I be able to do that? Well, I wouldn't say throw it out. I would just say, okay, it's interesting. It's interesting. And you've got like a Unitarian saying it's not valid, but you got early church father quoting it. So then is it valid or not valid? That's the question. That's exactly the question.

So what do you do with it? And I just say to people, there's debate on its validity. And there are some early attestations to it, but there are also some early attestations that don't include it in some of the manuscripts. And so if it's in 1 John, what's the oldest extant manuscript of 1 John? And even then, it doesn't necessitate if it was from, say, 140 AD is an oldest manuscript that they have a fragment or something. It doesn't necessitate that it's correct, that that belongs in there. It's just a toughie when you get to these nuances.

All right. So most of the scholars I understand don't affirm the Comma Jehanium, right? They don't what, excuse me? They do not affirm the Comma Jehanium.

The 1 John 5, 7. Nope. It's called the Comma Jehanium, okay? Oh, okay. I got you. I got you.

All right. Yeah, that's what that's called. Yeah, they don't. Right, they don't. And they don't because it's not in the Westcott and Hort? I don't know.

I just don't study that issue. Now, we have one of our guys who works with us who studied critical stuff far more than I have, and his name's Luke. If he's listening, he can call in. If he has information, he can call in and get on in. He can give you more information. But that's what I've read through some of this stuff, and it's like my conclusion was I don't know.

That was my conclusion. So would you accept the verse? Do you use both the King James and the... No, I don't use the King James. No, I don't use the King James. I just use the NSB, and I don't go to the King James because there's some anachronisms in there, there's some problems, some mistranslations or some errors.

Flat out. But ultimately, we go to the Greeks, so you would go to the Westcott and Hort. I go to different Greek manuscripts.

Because I have a blog that's by the... Not Texas Receptus? I go to different ones. I will check different ones. I have three, four, five, six different Greek manuscripts that I'll go to.

And look, if there's a difference, then I start reading to scholars about if there's any textual difference. And then they'll bring up, this one has this tree, whatever it is. And that's all I do. And it doesn't come up very often. So I haven't studied the Comogenium per se in that because it so rarely comes up.

I'm so busy working on false religions, atheists, cults, things like that. You're talking to a Unitarian. You're not a Unitarian, right? No, sir. No, sir.

Yeah. Well, if a Unitarian says it, you can just ask them. They'll say, well, why do you think it belongs or doesn't belong? Because there are people who some believe it does belong and some believe it doesn't belong.

Just ask them why. Because they simply said the majority of scholars nowadays don't accept it, which is true, but that's not the way it used to be. Yep. And so what will it be in a hundred years?

Will we find a new main district? That's why I go, okay, those scholars are the ones who study this full-time-ish, if you get my drift. And they're the ones that come up with these different things.

And then even when you come up with a theory, there are scholars who can poke a hole in that theory. And I'm like, man. Yeah. So I just don't worry about it. Yeah, they're good at that. Yes, they are.

Yes, they are. Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate it, brother. Thank you very much. All right, buddy.

I don't know if that helps or not, but I'm just ignorant about it. Yeah, no, that's good. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thank you.

All right, man. God bless. Hey, folks, you want to give me a call?

877-207-2276. Let's get to, let's see, that would be Daniel from Richmond, Virginia. Hey, Daniel.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. How are you doing? Oh, I'm hanging in there.

More hanging than in there, but I'm hanging in there. All right. Okay. Well, excellent. Excellent. Glad to hear it, brother. I have a question about the horse that's translated pale in a lot of translations.

My NESB says ashen, but I've heard that it should be green because it comes from a Greek word, Chlorus. Is that true? Let me check, and we got a break. We'll check it out. Okay. So hold on. All right.

All right. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. We have open lines. Give me a call. 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. Welcome back, everyone. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. All right, Daniel, you still there? Yes, sir. All right.

So during the break, I actually went and did a little bit of research on it. And the NESB is the only one I could find that translates it as ashen. I looked up the word ashen, consisting of ashes, resembling ashes, especially in color, very pale, though related to made from the wood of the ash tree.

So ashen, colored gray, extremely gray, pasty. And let's see. Yeah.

Okay. So the word is chloros, you know, from chlorine, okay, which is so we get chloros. And it says, so I'd looked at two different lexicons. And let's see, this one says the green herb for grass, akin to fresh green. Green as the grass of plants in different places, like Mark 639, where it says he commanded a mullet to sit down on the green grass. And that word green there is from, it's chloros.

So there's that, go back to Revelation 6-8. And okay. And then there's another lexicon that I looked at. And come on, you slimeball.

I talk to my computer and stuff that doesn't do exactly what I want, the way I want, whenever I want. All right, there we go. And the other one said pale greenish gray, evidently regarded as a type of a corpse. So they're just trying, in the NASB, they're trying to find the right word. The majority of the texts say greenish, pale, excuse me, pale, not greenish, but pale.

So because the word has a scope of meaning, then it could be light green, very pale, or ashen in the way that wood is, which has a slight green tint to it sometime. So I think that's why. Ah, okay, okay. Thank you, Matt. Do you have time for any more questions?

Sure, what do you got? Um, well, I had in 2 Kings at the end of chapter 3, when Israel, you know, they had the victory, and Elisha blessed them to go ahead and take down Moab. And the king of Moab, verse 26, he saw the battle was too fierce for them. Okay, he took his oldest son, verse 27, who was drained in his place and offered him as a burnt offering on the wall. And there came a great wrath against Israel, and they departed from him and returned to their own land. So I was just, it just kind of stuck out to me when my wife and I read it the other night that it seems like he did some demonic sacrifice that at least worked to have him not be totally wiped out. Yeah, um, so what the Bible records, often, is what people do wrong as well as what they do right.

And it's not supposed to be the case that you offer up anybody in that sense and in that way. You know, it says that he took his oldest son, who was to have ran in his place and offered him as a burnt offering on the wall. And it came out of a great wrath against Israel and departed from him. And so... Yeah, what was that? Because it doesn't specifically say, I kind of, I assumed there was some kind of demonic sacrifice, but it doesn't exactly say that, does it?

It doesn't say that, but that's the idea. Now, this is the king of Moab rebelled. And so, you know, he was an unbeliever, did a bad thing. Let's see, Moab, the king of Moab saw the battle was fierce against him and offered him a burnt offering. And there came a great wrath against Israel. Yeah, offered it to his pagan god and it looks like Israel was beat up on pretty heavily. Now, there's possibilities with this in that in such a psychological event, it could motivate the warriors to fight all the more. It could also mean that demonic forces were involved and because of the sacrifice in a demonic sense. So that's, those are some of the things that I would look at.

And that's a very interesting scripture, actually. I think I'm going to do some more research on that just because I am curious to know more about it because I want to know, there's a, anyway, I have a reason for something else. But yeah, that's what I would say. Okay. Got you. And I just want to thank you again just for talking about what you're talking about and coming from where you do. And God bless you, Matt. Thank you so much.

Okay. Well, God bless you too. God bless, man.

All right, that was Daniel from Virginia. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Herb, welcome. You're on the air.

What do you got? Hey, Matt. First of all, I really appreciate your ministry, your show so much. I mean, it's just a real blessing and I will pray for you, your wife and your daughter and all of your family. It's glad to pray for y'all. I've got kind of a strange question, I guess.

Okay. I've never quite understood, the devil knows and knew that God is more powerful. Why did he speak stupid enough to go the way he went, knowing there's no chance in the world for him to win? I mean, you know, he, you know what I'm saying, he enjoys hurting, he enjoys hurting people and he gets the thrill from all the evil that people enjoy, you know, drinking and sex. I'm just using examples, bad things that go on that, you know, not in the Christian way.

So what motivates him? Why could he not have said, Lord, I realize now I've tried to defeat you. I know I cannot. You know, I was one of your angels. I regret what I've done.

Please forgive me. Was it just God's plan for him not to ever be willing to think that way? You're asking, hold on, there's several things you're asking and I want to get into several issues.

Okay. One, when you say, was it God's plan or different levels of God's plan? So yes, it was in God's plan for Satan to do what he did, but Satan did his own rebellion. God didn't make him rebel. So that's a discussion right there.

It gets into efficient causation related to proximate causation and who's responsible. That's one issue. But you've got to understand, the devil has no ability to be repentant. He has no propitiatory sacrifice.

There's no way for his sins to be removed. In Hebrews 2, I believe it's 2 17. Let me go to this verse.

This is the right one. Yes, Jesus had to be made like his brethren in all things so that he might become a merciful and high priest in the things pertaining to God to make propitiation for the sins of the people. So he had to be made like his brethren in order to make a propitiation for the sins of his people. In other words, he had to be one of the people to make a sin sacrifice for people. The logic follows that if Satan is going to be redeemed or an angelic realm is going to be redeemed, there has to be a sacrifice for them, but there is none.

So there's no hope. But finally, a lot of people miss this one point, that Satan is insanely evil. He's not rationally evil, but he's insanely evil.

The evil has taken a full swipe at his complete nature. We'll talk more about this after the break, because this is a good question. And we'll get back to that.

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877-207-2276. Herbert, are you still there? Yes, sir.

Okay. So as I was talking about the insanity of his rebellion, sin affected Satan completely. And so we get this idea that evil is an abstraction. Evil is when someone does something evil, bads at somebody else, murders them. And this sin, this actuality, this occurrence is evil.

They wouldn't say that the person who committed that sin has an evil nature, because he did something that was bad. But with Satan, it is the case that his nature is actually evil. Now, I've got a couple of experiences in life, one in particular that I remember, where there was a sensation of evil that was present, and it was palpable. I've talked to others who have, or heard of others, I should say, who have described a presence of evil that is terrifying and ominous and oppressive and stuff. And so as Satan himself has fallen greatly because he was in such an incredibly high position with God, and then rebelled against God, the rebellion was all that more substantial in his essence, in his nature. And personally, my opinion is that you will be able to actually feel and experience the sensation of evil should he and other high-ranking demonic forces manifest. So it doesn't matter about what he can or can't do or knows he will or will not win. It's just an evil rebellion. And that's the nature of that evil. It doesn't mean rationality is going to dominate. Okay. Well, do you think, Matt, he chose, on his free will, chose to do this?

Yes. Become evil as he is? No, I wouldn't say he chose to become evil. I would say he chose to want to be like God and receive adoration, worship, prayer.

And he was prideful. All the five I wills, that's what I call the five I wills of Satan in Isaiah 14. Yeah.

Okay. It just always just stumped me, you know, why somebody could be so ignorant. I mean, to be before the Lord and with the Lord as an angel and decide, I'm going against the Lord, and all the benefits he could have gotten staying with the Lord and turning away like he did, knowing he's not going to win. I mean, it's ignorant.

Yeah, but you're talking from a perspective of rationality and common sense. We don't know what kind of a condition he was in, uh, because it says, uh, but you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven. I will raise my throne above the stars of God. And I will sit on the throne of the assembly in the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds.

I will make myself like the most high. So, uh, it, that's, uh, Isaiah 14 verses, uh, um, 13 and 14. I was reading there. So one of the theories is that about Ezekiel, uh, I believe it was Ezekiel 28. It talks about, um, notice how we get to this.

This is just a theory that people have postulated. Uh, you, uh, Ezekiel 28, 14, you were the anointed cherub who covers. And I placed you there.

You were in the holy mountain. You walk in the midst of this, of the stones of fire. You are blameless in all your ways for the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you.

And by the abundance of your trade, et cetera. And, uh, your heart was lifted up because of your beauty. You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. And so, um, that some commentators think this is a dis discussion of Satan, because it says, and I have destroyed you. Oh, covering cherub from the midst of the stones of fire. And we don't have all the answers, but, um, along with this, uh, pre preceding what I just read, it says you were in the garden, the garden, you're an Eden, the garden of God, every precious stone was your covering, Ruby, Topaz, Beryl, Onyx. And it goes on and it says you were the anointed cherub who covers. So, okay. From the text, what I'm trying to read here and show you is that, uh, it, one of the theories is that he was so beautiful, so majestically wonderfully made that he was the greatest of all created things that he fell because he looked into himself by how looked into himself by how great he was and, uh, wanted to be like God and wham.

And that's what happened went down the tubes. Yeah. Well, it's kind of like in today's society, look at so many people who are so ignorant about believing in the Lord, you know, politicians, you know, they know that the end is coming.

And if you don't accept, you know, you know what the alternative is going to be. And they're being just as ignorant on a human level as, as the devil chose, you know, like we're talking about. There's people in politicians right now that are doing things and they couldn't care less about. Yeah. This is the nature of sin. Yeah.

They wonder, you know, why do, why do some of these politicians like Pelosi, AOC, you know, these, these leftist Marxist, uh, what, what's wrong with them? There's a demonic influence to be and given over. Yes. Okay.

It's just, it's a mystery. Well, Matt, thank you so much. You always have answered my question every time I've ever called in a way that I feel better when I hang up because I understand it better. Okay. Thank you so much. Okay, man. God bless.

All right. Let's get to, let's see. Jonathan from Texas. Jonathan, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt. How you doing, buddy? You all right? Yeah, I'm hanging in there, man.

What do you got, buddy? Um, it's about demonic possession. It isn't much of a question, but it's just a little friendly cat that we can have. Um, more recently, sometimes I feel like when I'm alone in my bedroom, I, I don't feel like I'm all alone. Sometimes I feel like something's just there to bother me, you know, I feel like another presence.

And of course, you know, in the Bible that when Jesus had that, uh, he saw the demon custom into the body or. Yeah. Let me ask you some questions. How old are you?

Sure. I'm 27. 27. Do you live alone? No, I live with my mom and dad and then my brother and his kids.

Okay. Are your, your mom and dad parent? I mean, uh, the parents, geez.

Wow. Are they, uh, Christians? Yes, but we, we, we just have a, we're religious in our own way. You know, we sometimes.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Are they Christians? Are they Christians?

Yeah, we're believers of Christ and we love, uh, society and we've grown to love everybody and all that stuff. Okay. Are they going to church? Sometimes, but it's like rare though, because my dad works and my mom, uh. Okay. Okay.

So rare, rarely. Are there any, uh, siblings in the house who are not Christians? Any other members of the house who are not Christian? My brother says he's very non-religious, but I think he does believe in God. He does believe in God and all that stuff. Okay.

But he, I don't think he will. Okay. Okay.

And like, okay, go ahead. That's okay. Is anybody doing any drugs in the house? Um, no, surprisingly no, but, uh. Okay. All right. Me personally. Okay. You personally go ahead.

No, thank you, Matt. Me personally, I kind of am around some friends that do do drugs and I work at a grocery store and there's alcohol and a lot of like kind of that language, you know? All right. Do you have any Christian friends out there? Real Christian friends. You know, I'm very friendly with all of them. All right. Okay.

So what I'm looking for are doors. Now, the reason I started off by asking your age is that a lot of times, uh, for some reason, males in their late teens, anywhere from 17, 18, 19, 20 range, uh, often experience things, um, that they can't explain. And one of the reasons that a theory has been postulated is because the male brain doesn't have enough corpus callosum to connect to tissue between the left and right hemispheres. And as they're moving from adolescence to adulthood, there's some wires that get mixed up and sometimes they experience things and have sensations. And there's another phenomenon along this time called disassociation and that occurs. And, uh, I experienced disassociation when I was about that age. It's just a feeling that you're, you're here, but not here at the same time. And I read up on this and they said, it's just kind of normal, mainly for males in the late teens.

And then as your body just goes through it, it's just one of the things that happens. That's why I was asking about your age. I asked about your parents because if, uh, parents or anybody else in the home who are Christians or non-Christians, if they're all Christians, that's, I was going to say you need to utilize that, but it doesn't sound to me like they're really dedicated to the Lord. I don't know if they are, I'm not judging them. And if you have friends who are unbelievers, then you know what you're doing is looking for doors. If there's drug use going on in the house, that can be a door.

There could be demonic oppression. So what I would recommend that you do, uh, let me ask you, are you going to a church? To a church? I also, it's rare, but what I do is, um, what a minister told me, he said, he said, wash your hands. He said, what you need to do is, uh, wash your hands anytime you feel anything negative and recite the Lord's prayer. And, um, what he said is anytime you do that, forget that, that's, forget that, that's, that's nothing. And wash your hands and recite a prayer to you. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

Look, washing your hands. Isn't going to be anything spiritually. Okay.

Uh, that's just, that's not good advice. So let me, uh, after the break, let me tell you something I want you to do. Okay. Hold on, folks. We'll be right back after these messages to open lines 87720722. Seven, six, be right back. It's Matt slick live taking a call at 8772072276. Here's Matt slick.

Looking back at one to the show. Jonathan, are you still there? I'm here, buddy. All right. Now, so, um, your situation.

All right. So you're not attending church. Your parents aren't really attending church.

It seems as though you're in an environment where any commitment to Christ is lax. Um, if you were to die right now and God were to ask you why you should go to heaven, what would you tell him? Um, I would tell him that he's my top priority in life. You know, um, I'm unworthy, but it's because of grace through faith in Christ and effort. I put forth an effort, you know, and it's completely up to him. You know, uh, that's why I worship him and him alone. And I ask him, can you please save my soul? You know, the right thing to do.

It depends upon the Lord. Okay. Gotcha. I gotcha.

I gotcha. The effort part is a problem because you don't want to, uh, add your effort to why you get to go to heaven. So it might be that you just don't understand, uh, you know, how to articulate these things properly. I would go to the Karm website, look up, uh, you know, Jesus saves and, uh, and get that because the gospel is Christ died for our sins and you trust in him. And it's by trust and faith alone in Christ alone, not by our efforts. And that's a false gospel, but it could be that you're just, you know, you're just not articulate the way I prefer it. And that's okay.

We'll just do that for now. Um, so you need to repent of your sins and you need to turn your heart completely to Christ. You need to make sure that you do that and you need to, uh, uh, get involved with the church, get involved with the church, the elders. Uh, yes, Matt, of course we know that in the Bible, Jesus also, he, he too, I think he had some type of force with the demons and stuff.

He put them in the pig and then drove them off a cliff in order to, uh, kind of, you need to hear me out is real and you need to hear me all right. You get involved with the church. I need to talk to the elders of the church about what's happening. And you ask if some of the elders could come over to your house and pray in your house.

And, um, uh, the reason I asked about your parents is because your father's in the spiritual headship position there. And, uh, he would, I would recommend that he go through the house and anoint it with oil and praying out loud, not that annoying the how oil is a magic thing. It's just, it's a ceremony. This it's the old Testament thing of the, of anointing things for holy use. And it's just, uh, it's kind of a ceremony and praying out loud to do as you go through every house, I mean, every room. And if he's not willing to do that, it doesn't want to do that. Doesn't understand it.

Just, you need to be involved with the church and have the elders be involved with this. Another factor is that you could just have, um, uh, something wrong in your head. And I don't mean that you do. It's just that sometimes, uh, you know, it could be, you know, just like I'm autistic and so it's just how it is. Well, you could have something and it would, you know, it's just one of the considerations. We are human and we're human and you got to make, making sure you're getting enough sleep and exercise. You're not drinking a lot of crud, you know, like Cokes and sugars and cookies and chips. Cause that has a deleterious effect on your brain.

It clouds the brain and it can cause, if you don't get enough sleep and bad sleep, it can cause all kinds of issues, et cetera. So there's, it's a lot too. This is why I need to get involved with the elders at your church.

I need to find a church and a good church to go to. Okay. Yeah, I got you, Matt.

Um, thank you so much. I, I, a buddy of mine told me too, he said sometimes it really can be our heads or sometimes it could be a force that we are uncertain about and it causes us to delude, you know, start seeing our own images in our head. It can happen, but firstly, we trust in the Lord and then we, we repent for our sins and then we seek a higher power and do better than God.

And we do better as time goes on. Higher power. Yeah. You need to be involved in a church. Okay. And you need to, don't go to church with the word United in it. Don't go to a Catholic church. Don't go to a, um, you need to find a good church. All right, uh, because you're saying things that are concerning me, uh, it might just be just an ignorance and I don't mean that in a negative way and I'm insulting you. Not that sometimes people just don't, you know, some people just, people just don't know stuff and that's okay.

But I'm saying you need to get involved in the church that will teach you and ground you and you need to do this. Okay. All right, buddy. That works for me. Um, thank you, man.

I appreciate the call, buddy. Thank you. Okay. Sounds good. All right.

God bless. Now, people in the chat room reacting to what I said, one person goes, no cookies, I'm done. I'm out of here.

So, um, they're having fun at my expense in the room. I didn't say you could have cookies. I'm just saying that, um, when we talk about this kind of a stuff of a thing, different people can be affected by different things in our food and our food is full of chemicals full of chemicals and they can have a deleterious effect that hidden harmful effects upon our health.

In fact, here's a trick you guys could do or a little experiment for three days, three full days, three full days. Don't eat any bread or anything with sugars in it. You can have fruit. That's a different kind of sugar. That's it.

And drink lots of water, uh, for three days and see if you feel better. See if your mind clears up and you'll know what I'm talking about because it will. Um, anyway, so, uh, there you go. Let's get to Anthony from Des Moines, Iowa. Anthony, welcome. You're on the air. Well, hi, Matt. And a good day to you, sir.

Thanks. Quick question. And this is kind of, I don't know.

I've been curious about this for a long time. I've been studying through Hebrews today and, uh, of course in the seventh chapter, it talks about Melchizedek, the king of Salem. And it, uh, it says that he was, uh, without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the son of God. My question is, is this a pre-incarnate, uh, an epiphany, I guess they call it, or is it just a shadow and a type of Christ?

I believe it's a shadow and a type, a representation. Okay. Not that it was actually Jesus, because, uh, for I understand in the culture they would sometimes use phraseology. The great king without descendants, without this, and it would give these great and grand, uh, appellations. But, um, okay. So there's some people who holding the idea that it was a pre-incarnate Christ, but you'll note it says the king of Salem. So it was an actual king. Yes.

So it, that wouldn't have been Jesus in that sense. Okay. Okay. Okay.

All right. Well, I know the word doesn't say a whole lot about him. Of course, uh, here in Hebrews, uh, there are about three or four, uh, quotations.

You are a priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek from Psalm 110. See, what Paul wrote this, what he's doing, uh, that's my opinion. He wrote Hebrews. He's trying to demonstrate the superiority of the priesthood that Christ has. And so he went and said, this guy had no king or no, uh, genealogy, no, this, no, that the Jews know that it's a theological typological representation of things.

They had discussions about what they meant, but it was there. And so he's using this as a means to get there to see his priesthood is greater than the Aaronic Levitical priesthood. His is from Melchizedek because Melchizedek was a king of Salem.

Right. It meant Abraham and Abraham paid, paid tithes to him. So if the, if the Levitical and Aaronic priesthood came out of the seed of Abraham, then why is it Abraham is paying tithes to Melchizedek? This is who Jesus' priesthood is after Melchizedek. And so he's trying to show them from the Old Testament. And that's why he's giving that, uh, that high, um, that praise and writing of it.

Okay. Well, that makes perfectly good sense that you mentioned that way. Of course, as I'm going through Hebrews here, uh, there's great emphasis as you, as you said on, uh, our high priest, Jesus Christ, and how it's a perfect priesthood because he doesn't have to make sacrifices continuously, like an earthly priest.

And he certainly didn't have to make any for himself either. Now, before we go, call us, your knowledge is refreshing and it's educational at the same time. Well, praise God.

Praise God, but before we go, thank you for that compliment. But if you go to Genesis 14, 17 and start reading, and after his return from the defeat of a place, we'll get into it. Verse 18, and Melchizedek, king of Salem, came out and brought bread and wine. I read that earlier. Yes. Uh huh.

It's like the communion elements. Okay. You know, I never thought about that at the time I read it, but yes, it certainly is. Uh huh. And when Joseph was in prison, there was a wine bibber and a baker in with him, wine and bread.

And one of them was killed. Yes. The baker, because the body is broken, represents this. It's all typological, points ahead to Christ. Okay.

All right, buddy. Everything, everything points towards our savior. Amen.

Oh, I like that. As we read through, everything points towards our savior. Amen. Thanks, Matt. God bless you, brother. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Alberto from Georgia. Alberto, what do you got, buddy? Yeah, go there, man.

Matt Slick. I got several questions, but I don't got time. So let's just do one. Why do Roman Catholics carry around these statues knowing it doesn't speak? It can't help it. We'll do anything. Might as well carry me around. And at least I'll give him a bottle of water to drink. I have a conversation with them, but the Roman Catholic statues around Latin countries, especially.

Why do we waste the time carrying these statues? Okay. Okay. Got you. Okay.

I got you. We're almost out of time. There's another caller waiting. I want to get to him, but why do they carry around statues? Because they're superstitious. They're superstitious. You don't have a biblical worldview about carrying idols and things like that.

That's why they're not biblically trained. Okay. All right. I like the other guy.

Have a coming chance. All right. Thank you. Okay, buddy. All right. God bless.

Okay. Let's get to Bill from North Carolina. Bill, welcome.

And hoists by Bill Burtard. Trying to get to the other callers. And now we got nobody. So that's the way it goes.

All right. So why do Catholics carry around statues? You know, I've watched these videos of people in Latin American countries. They're big to carry a statue of Mary high and lifted up and they're parading about Mary and might be have Jesus as a baby in Mary's arms. Who are they looking to? Mary. They're idolaters. It is idolatry. And I always, and I sadly, this is my reality.

It's my reality. It's what I believe. As I look to those people in those films and I see them carrying this and are exalting Mary. I think they're probably all going to hell. And I'm not their judge, but I'm saying because they're not uplifting Christ, because the Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus. The father bears witness of Jesus. The Jesus bears witness of himself. The prophets bear witness of Christ. The scriptures are about Jesus and yet they're uplifting Mary. That means their eyes are not on Christ. If the Holy Spirit's in them, he bears witness of Christ, not a creature. And as they exalt and elevate the creature rather than the creator, then it's obviously a form of idolatry. And I'm saddened thinking that the Roman Catholic Church with such great power over their souls is teaching those things that damn them to hell. And it is so severely sad.

And this is what I think of each time I see those things. The poor people who are deceived by this great false church, the Roman Catholic Church. And yes, that's what I'm saying. It is a false church. It is not a real Christian church.

In my opinion, the Roman Catholic Church is the greatest gate of damnation of any religion on the planet simply because there's more people in it than even Islam. And I believe that and I've said it before like that over the air and I'll continue to say it. And if you are curious about why, but we're out of time, call back tomorrow and we'll talk about it.

And I'll give you specifics and I'll give you quotes from the Catholic sources that go directly against scripture and the matters of salvation itself. So there you go. Having said that, boy, I believe that. And by God's grace, be back on there tomorrow.

So I hope that you'll tune in then and they will have great conversation. God bless. Have a great evening, everyone.

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