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TOPIC: Dennis Prager and Alistair Begg Clarifying the Only Two Religious Options

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TOPIC: Dennis Prager and Alistair Begg Clarifying the Only Two Religious Options

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It’s been said that there are really only two kinds of religions: ones based on earned favor (works) and the one based on unearned favor (grace).

All religions, including many Christian traditions, fall into the former while only biblical Christianity is based on the latter.

In other words, one either puts their trust in their own works or Christ’s work, in self-righteousness or Christ-righteousness. Mixing the two still keeps one in the first category of works-righteousness.

This distinction was made clear recently when two of the sharpest minds—one a Jew (radio host Dennis Prager) and the other a Christian (pastor Alistair Begg)—engaged in a public forum on theological matters...

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Alastair clarifying the only two religious options in the whole wide world. That is the topical discussed today. Right here on the Christian rule of your radio program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ and every week now is the program in our website is the Christian were love thanks for joining us today on the program as we talk about a very interesting, compelling, actually fascinating conversation that radio host Dennis Prager and Pastor Ellis, Alastair Begg recently had theology and salvation and who Christ is around Easter time now. It's been said that there are really only two kinds of religions. The first are the ones based on earned favor. Early works were man tries to earn favor with a deity or God and the other one just the one based on unearned favor or grace. So all religions, including many Christian traditions.

You can take Islam or Buddhism. Many denominations of Christianity, Roman Catholicism, a Greek orthodox Russian Orthodox. They fall into the former category of earned favor works based religions while only biblical Christianity is based on unearned favor were God does something for us. And man doesn't earn salvation or earn standing with God.

In other words can put this wise lots away looking out try to keep it simple one either puts their trust in their own work or one poster trust in Christ work on their behalf. One either put their trust in their own self righteousness, or one puts their trust in Christ righteousness on their behalf and mixing the two little bit of my own number believe in Christ of faith there but I believe he could do a few things as well. That still keeps one in the first category of works righteousness because again you're still trusting some in your own self-righteousness. Now this distinction between these the only two religious options was made abundantly clear when two of the sharpest minds what wanted to radio host Dennis Prager and the other a Christian pastor Alastair Begg engaged in a public forum on theological matters. The event was called ask could you ask a Gentile and Salem are radio network hosts this event every year or lease recently that had Prager and then several other Christians that have participated in it as his counterpoint. Then we have a link. By the way, on our website the Christian rule.

If if you like to watch the entire discussion is really really good is really helpful in understanding the difference between a Jewish worldview in a Christian world view and so this week another programmer and air portions. Plenty of portions actually of of Prager and Beggs discussion in an attempt to understand what a biblical worldview is not just a Christian worldview that might be based just on the New Testament.

Some might say that or a Jewish worldview just on the Old Testament. What a biblical and overarching biblical worldview is and how the person and work of Jesus Christ fits into that so again, this event was between Alastair Begg, Dennis Prager, the moderator was actually radio host Hugh Hewitt so you'll hear him a little bit as well asking some of the questions now.

This is a incredibly stimulating conversation about important issues and really there talking about theology that the study of God who God is, what is he like how do he set the world in order how can we approach God. How can we be right with God. These are incredibly important issues so I think if you're interested in those kinds of things and you really should be.

You think about all the things that we we get distracted with the Madera tractor attention alive know the NFL draft or latest in politics, but what they're talking about in this conversation on today's program. There really nothing more important than the nest is been said that the most important thing about a person is there view of God and whether that view is accurate and so as they talk about who God is and whether God has a son named Jesus and how we approach and these are incredibly important issues and they really clarify your gonna see that both sides. The. The earned favor the work side is clarified by Dennis Prager in the unearned favor the grace side is clarified by Alastair Begg now everyone heard about the Muslim terrorist attack on the Christians in public non-Christians over in Sri Lanka over on Easter and resurrection Sunday believe was resurrection Sunday last week were over 360 people were killed.

Of course, Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton talked about it was in a dimensioning the Muslims it said it was an attack on Easter worshipers not neither mentioning Christians are Muslims, but that that goes with the what they typically do, but of course in in New Zealand when all the Muslims were killed there by a white nationalist. They made very clear who is the attack and who is the attacker.

So think inconsistencies pretty apparent.

But that attack in Sri Lanka was all about theology. If you think about it it was it was a theological attack. These were not poor disenfranchised attackers. Reports are coming out now. They were well educated hero, well-to-do people, Muslims, but there theology there theology is that their false god Allah wants them to kill the infidels get their of their false god Allah wants them to take over the world and Christians are getting away Christians of the enemy.

So we kill them and we take over the world by force, and force people to become Muslim or or subservient to it. Now that is a theology that that's a view. A study of their God put into practice justice program be discussing theology today on. That's not to do with the theology of that kind of theology which is all only a religion only is Satan inspired ideology could get to that point that with think that I must kill those who don't believe as I do. Certainly, the Bible never ever advocate for that and that's why you basically don't see any really true followers of Jesus killing people for not believing as as we do so realize that theology or worldview. The name of the show worldview or theology is what drives the world. One's view of God determines their worldview determines how you think and how you live so that's why these are important discussions to take place in an even just listening to these two men talk about the various positions.

There is a sharpening of your worldview. Just listening to it so the issues of their ancestors who is Jesus, heaven and hell works versus great to get into all these things. That's it's very interesting. By the way, I respect both of these men tremendously mean is really hard to do what they do to be in front of an audience in and be able to be fielding these questions and being in answering them with precision and accuracy especially for Alastair Begg, according to what the Bible says no Prager doesn't really he's not really a biblical cyst. He believes in the Old Testament, but you'll see him say I believe this I believe this. My thought is this so there's a lot of his own in human reasoning involved in there for Alastair Begg is even more difficult he is to be incredibly consistent, theologically because he's not basing this on his own opinion he is basing things on what the word of God says so. Again, not putting down Dennis Prager by the way, either because I don't agree with him idle.

I think my understanding of Scripture is that he is incorrect with his works righteousness system, but that being said, he's a man that I've actually learned quite a bit from not necessarily theologically, but maybe theologically in the wrong sense, but from another ways he's been a very tireless and strong advocate for for Christians is still talk about and also for conservatism against the onslaught of leftist secular humanistic un-biblical ideology is coming to our country. So I learned a lot from him.

I think you can learn a lot from hearing the conversation today. So let's get to the first soundbite in the first soundbite has to do with the get right writing to the one of the most important issue that I think a lot of Christians wonder about Jews. Why don't Jews believe that Jesus is the Messiah, and Jesus was Jewish all his disciples were Jewish. He claimed to be the Messiah. What is Dennis Prager say about that question went when people asked me how come you don't believe in Jesus the Messiah. The, the, the primary answer is that what is supposed to happen. According to Judaism hasn't happened.

But what I should and doesn't dismiss the this is the report report to me. I don't have an issue with people who believe Jesus the Messiah of the Jewish issue has has never been the messianic issue. Jews of believe the various Jews at different times been the Messiah.

They have never been.

They've never created or been ostracized and never created a different movement or different religion or binoculars. The issue for Jews was the divinity claim that Christianity made not the messianic claim.

If the only claim people made about Jesus was.

He's the Jewish Messiah than they would've been Jews for Jesus literally Jews who believe in, in Jesus as the Messiah.

It's the it's the Trinitarian and and divinity claims that caused the creation of a second religion okay so there's something I didn't know there something I learned that that the Jews don't have a problem with Christ's claim to be the Messiah, even though they rejected him with the vast majority of US as their Messiah. But it's the divinity claim that they really struggle with is the Trinitarian claim that there's father and their son, Jesus, son. There's a Holy Spirit.

Of course, if you think about what he's actually saying here is that Jesus isn't divine, you're really calling Jesus a liar is what you're doing because Jesus repeatedly claimed divinity. He read Pete Italy over and over again claimed equality with God IN the father are one minicamp became any more clear than that.

So by saying what he saying he saying that monkeys is a liar singing a nicer way, but that's really what he saying, not the Trinity.

By the way, appears in the very opening chapters of the Bible. Let us make man in our image, who is God talking about their who is us and who is our will think I understand the Bible teaches is talking about the Trinity that these are there us. There's relationship therewith within the Trinity is one God in three persons very difficult.

No human mind can perfectly grasp that but that's what the Bible says and that's really what we see the manifestations, even at the baptism of Christ you have Jesus the son in the water being baptized by John the Baptist.

You have the voice from heaven saying this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased you have the, the, the Holy Spirit, descending the form of a dove right there.

The 33 persons of the one God so there's not not three gods as as Muslims often think there were no polytheistic now or not one God in three persons. So how is Alastair Begg going to respond to that here so he's here so he responded well you know when you read the gospel records and you see the reaction of the Jews to the claims of Jesus and the disappointment that they felt the clearer he became. It would seem that they anticipated that when the Messiah came, everything is Dennis says would be put to rights so the oppression. For example, of the Roman authorities would be taken care off. They would be established in their own land.

If you like they would be secure in so long and so that expectation which I don't think was the right expectation was not met in Jesus not because the he didn't declared himself, but because when he declared about himself did not meet their expectations.

So for example the beginning of Mark's gospel begins Jesus is the time is fulfilled, the kingdom of God is at hand repent and believe the good news. When John the Baptist steps forward.

He says of this. This man, this Galilean carpenter. This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world so that the expectation of Judaism into the very heart of the Pentateuch is that in this sacrificial system.

There will eventually be a sacrifice that out sacrifices all the previous sacrifices and Jesus steps forward, and he says I actually am not one the reaction of course on the part of those who heard him speak was to crucify, so Begg is saying that basically, the Jews were seeing that there is there's two advents of Christ.

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Hope you can come to that. You're invited no cost to registration. If you don't live in the area of the Twin Cities. You can watch it live on Facebook so should be a really good event and you can find out more. The website the Christian where the today in the program were talking about a very interesting, I wouldn't say it was a debate. I guess it was a bit of a debate but it wasn't a contentious discussion between Dennis Prager Jewish radio host and Christian pastor Alastair Begg talking about a range of issues of theological issues and replacement soundbites from that today the whole thing by the way, I really highly encourage you to wash you just when I saw it as a this is just really interesting is learning a lot and I really impressed with both of them, but particularly Alastair Begg because he really really articulated the biblical worldview very very well that's that's tough to do enacting us on your feet don't know what's coming and to be able to really precisely articulate that the finer points of theology and be accurate accurately handle the word of truth is first Timothy says that is a hard thing to do was get now to the second part of the conversation with what plenty of soundbites here today where they got more into the big difference.

As we talked in the title that clarifying the only two religious opera options works based versus grace based that all religions are based on works only biblical Christianity is based on God doing something for us man not doing not being able to do anything to earn God's favor. That is a mean we don't do good works. They have nothing to do with her being reconciled up to being to to making being being made right with God. Okay, here's Dennis Prager, the second volume of my rational Bible which by the way, very honored and delighted and surprised the honest Christian reception of my Bible commentary has been extraordinary and you can see that on Amazon over 500 reviews, mostly from Christians who have have actually have their face strengthened by the way, I just want to say for the record, there were very few. I'm very proud of this fact Strange life if you will. Very few pastors always responsible for the number of people who've come back to church. Is this Jewish I just want to say that for the record, I also want to add to this is really important.

I'm delighted by that fact. If Christianity fails in the West. The West is over, I am is committed to the success of Christianity in the West as the most fervent evangelical Christian or Catholic in this in this auditorium because I know what will happen.

The breakdown that is happening because Christianity is breaking down churches are closing at some regular right weekly, monthly, so please understand where I come from.

Now back to the theology I I believe that God wants the world to come to Mount Sinai. Mount Sinai is where the 10 Commandments were given to Moses. I believe that that is for the whole world any religion that brings the world to the God of Sinai and the 10 Commandments of sawing is my ally at its best. Christianity didn't always do this, but at its best, like American Christianity.

That is what it does so to me. I have long ago believed that Jesus was the vehicle of my God, the God of Sinai to bring the world to sign the Jews as it were needed help.

We haven't done a great job bringing the world to sign on. We did a great job introducing this world into the world and then because of a whole host of reasons both internal and external anti-Semitism. We didn't do the job that was I believe incumbent upon Jews to bring the world to God, and Sinai Christians have taken that up, and the greatest Jewish philosopher whoever lived Maimonides in the 12th century, wrote Christianity has brought the world to the Torah week so this is a traditional Jewish view, we invite you, are allies in God's work in this world.

Okay, there's a lot in that particular statement by Dennis Prager in this event by me too much to go over just a few minutes here, but I don't know what the rational Bible is I know that he's written.

The weather contains a New Testament the creek. He said the Christian reception has been extraordinary. I'm not sure why that would be for a man who does not believe in him who teaches against the divinity of Christ were kind of a Bible is the Bible without the divinity of Christ. But anyway that's beside the point.

For the purposes of what he said next, that he's he's an ally of of Christians, and that is telling because his priorities is committed to the success of Christianity in this world. Why does he say that because the biggest thing for Dennis Prager is the earthly kingdom. This earthly kingdom on earth.

It's the it's the continuation of the Jewish people is a continuation of freedom in the West, ice and continuation of America and you know what those are all really important things as are all really good things, like every single Christian wants to see those things continue what we don't want to live in a in oppressive state like China or the still former Soviet Union or Russia or places like I really want live in a socialistic state were there's a heavy-handed government intrusion in your life.

You want religious freedom. That's why this country was founded, so Christians can say yes that's that's a priority to us is that the top priority to us as it is the Dennis Prager the top priority for for Christians.

According to the word of God is the great commission go into all the world and preach the gospel make disciples, teaching them all. I commanded you right that is the top. It is that the earth, the heavenly kingdom of God's kingdom is the top priority.

So that's very important understand Dennis Prager's top priorities earthly kingdom, Christians top priority is the God's kingdom and then opened the white yes there is a priority thereof. The earthly kingdom as well. He also talked about Jesus being the vehicle of my God to bring the world to Sinai. There is a of a very direct commentary on his again. His works to based religion you know if we can get people to keep the law that will make people better in the world would be a better place course.

James two says whoever keeps the whole law you stumble simple and one point has become guilty of all. You can keep the law great. Keep nine of the 10 Commandments eagerness to a great thing, but you're still not right before God. You, you need a in in Dennis Prager should know this because of the sacrificial system still center and Unita need to sacrifice you need to have that sin forgiven.

He probably does know that I'm sure he has some explanation for why his sin is forgiven I think is probably my good outweighs my bad. That's what I'm thinking that's really the only position if if if Christ is not the sacrifice for sin is just I have to do more good than bad in whose that the good according to is it just according to my opinion or whose opinion problem is were all condemned under sin.

All of sin and fall short of the glory of God.

So he talked about Christians and Jews being allies, but their allies on the second most important issue. The kingdom of man, but they're not allies on the most important issue which is the kingdom of God, which entails the salvation of souls. Alessio Alastair back now. How did he respond to a Dennis Prager just said I'm happy to be an ally with Dennis for a number of reasons, but done I would actually challenge what he is just said that the purpose of the Bible as it on full is clearly not for the world to be brought to Sinai Bob for the world to be brought to Christ and that the temple in Jerusalem, which represented both the presence of God in the ongoing plans of God is no longer the place to which men and women are coming because Jesus infuriated the Jewish people of his day by announcing to them. You know you could tear down this temple and in three days will be built again and they said it's taken so long to build the temple, he said, but you don't understand I am the temple, and when you push all the way in the part of the that that the issue for for Dennis and what he said is the Messiah can't come because these things haven't yet happened. Well, there's a telescopic element to it is a bit like hill climbing when you get to the top of one hell you think you're they are and you look and there's another one when you read the progressive story through the Bible, you realize that What Is Already Taken Pl. in Christ as the Messiah is not the ultimate fulfillment of that purpose so that the lien will lie down with the lack so that the Messiah will then come in out now in ignominy and didn't apparent defeat, but in power and glory, so that when you get to the book of Revelation there. There is no there is no temple, there is no temple.

Why because the presence of God is now embodied in the person of his only son, and that of course brings us then to the very aspect that Dennis is addressing which is the Trinitarian aspect of what we believe. In terms of the revelation of God so that there's a fundamental difference, Jesus challenge the Jewish people of his day. When he said to if you believed Moses, you actually believe me. And so for somebody like Dennis to say, you know, I'm the Moses man and therefore then Jesus would say to Dennis what he said to the Jews of his day. If you really believe Moses, you would believe me, that's exactly right. And keep in mind he sitting right next to Dennis Prager, Dennis Prager's hearing all of this sitting right next to Alastair beg if you believed Moses, you believe in me. The law is a schoolmaster to bring us to suck it to Christ.

It it condemns all under sin, so we have no hope. It's the bad news with her Scott. There's got standard, the law will and you keep it of course not known can keep it impossible to keep and so will now what I do have all the sin of offended a holy God. What I do do an animal sacrifice, that's not can be a a lasting covering for sin. That's why Jesus Christ came to pay the penalty. We couldn't pay for our sin, to pay the second make the sacrifice we could take the perfect man the perfect God came to die for the sins of mankind so that we could be right with God keeps pointing to Christ over and over and over again.

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That is the motto of the Christian real view radio programs you just joining us that the mission of the show is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ. That is the purpose of what we try to pick topics and we try to get to every single week on the program. So, for if you are right with God. If you come to saving faith in Christ as your Savior and Lord.

We hope that your typical worldview sharpened by listening to this program, week by week and if your today listening you haven't come to that point of faith in Christ as your Savior and Lord who he is what he did for you were glad your listening glad you're here welcome and we want to give the evidence and persuade you and encourage or exhort you that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Jesus on the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me as we talk about the many religious ways out there today different religions spiritualities really can be divided into categories. One huge category.

The vast majority except for one is the works based were we do things to earn favor with God or favor with man live a better life. It's what we do is based on self righteousness biblical Christianity. The one way is based on Christ's righteousness imputed on our behalf. In other words, only put our faith in what Jesus his work, not her own work, but would Jesus work on the cross in our behalf paying the price for our sin that we deserve to pay their faith in him, not in our own works.

God forgives us and he also imputes or credits us with Christ's perfect righteousness.

That's how that's the basis on which we can be right with God, and that's being shown very clearly in this debate or discussion between Dennis Prager Jewish radio host in Alastair beg Christian pastor today that were featuring soundbites of the Christian real view and so this next couple soundbites really makes this this point clear about the means of salvation works versus grace or faith. Those two contrasts are made very clear. Let's get first two Dennis Prager.

He says he really doesn't is none if he's not a fan of theology at all. He's he's a fan of morality, right.

So therefore you're right. I never claimed there's no differences if there were no differences. We both will be either Jewish or Christian. The differences are more significant to Christians than they are to me. I admit I don't really care.

I am not a theology fan. I'm a morality and God for them in in Micah God says old man and not a Jew old man uses the human being all human being. Have I not told you all I want to pursue justice, love mercy and walk humbly with your God. So if Christians bring people to that, even though your aim is to bring people to Christ. That's fine with me. I just want to know what what you produce to the Christians in America that I know produce as a rule, find families good people, not perfect. There is no such thing as perfect people. Yes you are you the are you the Jews only analyzes a group yes are you Israel's only analyzes a group yes are you are you the foundation upon which America was founded because it was Christians coming from Europe that founded this country. Yes. So we differ theologically fine.

The truth is, it bothers you more than me because I realize this was was fascinating was a revelation to me. My first radio was the moderator of extremely popular show in LA religion on the line on ABC radio and it was priest Mr. Rabbi each week different ones each week and finally I did this for 10 years and was an immersion in Christian thought for 10 years and I realized I said to a pastor one day, I now realize you are in much more pain than I because you like me Dennis you think I'm doing God's work in many ways and yet you feel I will not be saved in this truly bothers I said that's right. It really does bother me, and since then, first of all number of Christians who say they pray for my salvation will just pray for me is very large and very touched. Some Jews are offended when they hear all I pray for you to come to Christ are never on.

I'm not I'm not offended in the least you do it out of love doing it out of anger or hate. So I accepted as such. But that pain belongs to you, not to me like I believe God judges people on behavior and and therefore I know you're going to go to heaven. To the extent that I try to read good behavior really good God, but you don't know that I will or fear that I won't and I and I feel for you, but please understand this troubles you, much more than me. I judge. As Jesus said, that I believe it's Jesus I judge my fruit. I don't have Mormon theology. I tremendously admire Mormons they have produced a beautiful family life. I have asked people over and over. If you have to have a business deal and you you knew nothing about the person and you knew that they could ruling you with they were dishonest, would you want an X or Y is zero, Mormon, and how often people say I will. I would rather do the business deal with the Mormon having no theological consistency with that person that is all I care about that to me.

Each religion is religion that makes good people who were God-fearing, keep the 10 Commandments and the like. That's what true religion is to me. Okay, that that is a very sad and tragic commentary by very smart and helpful man.

Unfortunately basically he's at Universalist is what he saying there does not doesn't matter about the doesn't care about theology, not a theology fan begin the study of God, who is God, what is you want how we approach Emmys morality and God fan will he's misrepresenting God because God is a theology fan.

He he demands that we worship him a certain way that we come to him a certain way, through Christ, you can't get to him.

Other ways Jesus himself said that there is there salvation in anyone else. There is no other name under heaven by which man must be saved. It can't be more clear than that he's a Universalist is fine for Mormon your Jewish your Muslim if you just all about the that the fruit he said of your life. If your moral and you keep the 10 Commandments as good enough.

The false gospel and what what do you produce. He said the pain that his pain your pain for him not being saved, being right with God through Christ troubles you more than me and that's that's so incredibly sad and tragic but he doesn't realize this is not what God reveals in his word from the Old Testament to the New Testament.

Look at Isaiah 53 suffering servant. That's that's that's it's it's it's incontrovertible who that is being written about 700 years in advance. I believe God judges on behavior won't.

That's what he believes what he believed doesn't really matter has to be based on the word of God doesn't believe it doesn't matter what I believe my opinions are as Meadow Elster begs opinions or beliefs are matters. What a unchangeable source of truth says we can't base it on what we believe what we want to believe Alastair begged then responds to this with with all due respect to you what true religion is to you is not the issue, nor is it what it is to me the issue talking here about at the at the very foundational level, the identity of Jesus of Nazareth in Jesus makes the most outrageous claims he's not just a way he's the way he's the light of the world.

He's the shepherd of the sheet. He's the bread of life. Anybody who makes claims like that is either going to have to substantiate them or hang his head in shame. He when John writes of it in the most famous verse in the New Testament. He says for God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that whoever believes in him would not perish but have everlasting life. God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but of the world through him might be saved. He who has the son has life.

He who does not have the son of God does not have life.

Note at the very heart of any discussion like this is the question how believable, then, are the words of Jesus and to to and you do it in a wonderful way because I enjoy you on the radio and I understand that what you do and is very disarming and endearing to all of us who are Christian people. That's it said no surprise to me and and and I like it very very much but but it's not is not is not very different from the average set of well-heeled person in suburban Cleveland whose view goes something like this a good God if he exists, will reward nice people for doing their best and they will say that is my view that God is grading on the carve and although I'm not a horrible person.

There are a lot of people who are really horrible people and so I might get at least a B, not a B+. Well so so what were still back at the claims of Jesus of Nazareth with work at not simply add a good head Palm Sunday which is today, but what where the question of the resurrection. I drove up here with gentlemen in the Arles errors of this morning to pick me up from LAX and we were in the car very long before he announced to me that he was a most and he said I want you to tell me about Jesus. So I did my best and eventually we had we had to come to the same point of departure.

We have to come to terms with the identity of Jesus of Nazareth.

If he is the person he claimed to be the son of God, then we've got a discussion if he's not then sure, externalism, morality needs.

Try to make the place as good as we can for as long as we can.

All of that works, but all of that can happen without religion as well as with religion as Alastair begged talking about the issue of who Christ is and is really religion just all about being moral and is that I like make practice.

I believe God judges on behavior alone, one thing nice about doing this program today is that I can make a little commentary they complete a soundbite. Alastair begged and have someone articulate the truth far better than I could hope you're enjoying the programs that we have more soundbites coming up I raft this final break of the day in the Christian review stating the Christian world speaker series are one night events that feature a compelling speaker presenting a message in a current topic, followed by Q&A purpose is to provide strong in person biblical worldview content in a short format. The inaugural event is set for Friday, May 10 at 7 PM central University of Northwestern St. Paul will feature Curtis Bowers, producer of the award-winning agenda films speaking on how socialism is impacting the country in the church. No registration, no cost free will offering seating on first-come basis. Max capacity 315 live streaming on Facebook. More or by calling one AAA 46 2233.

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I'm David. We host our website is the Christian world and that you can go there to look at some of her current offers to support the program. We are listener supported ministry set for a free weekly email and of course our speaker series event is coming up on Friday, May 10 love to have you come to that 7 PM University Northwestern St. Paul streaming live on Facebook that central time, 7 PM central time for listeners outside our time zone and I Curtis Bowers will be speaking on socialism, followed by a Q&A session that will probably turn into a radio program as well to record and assume some of the follow-up content with Curtis right after she speaks out that to see if there no registration, no cost, by the way you live one segment left so I have a lot of soundbites left the working maybe have to get to some more next week. This is very interesting. Again, you can learn a lot from some like Alastair Baggett is really articulating a clear understanding of a biblical worldview Old Testament New Testament who Christ is and also Dennis Prager can learn a lot as well to see saying things he's articulating the works based religious worldview very well as well kill us As they talk about Prager starts to get into what is faith that you been proselytized so much like a battleship that were throwing pebbles that we can't simply get through because you like batted away a thousand bad arguments. What is not bad arguments that their arguments of faith. I don't I don't I believe, for example, I believe that God split deceitful of the Israelites through and then close the sea again and drowned the Egyptian army. I don't try to persuade anybody that that happened because I know it's a statement of faith.

I try to persuade people that there was a God that that that therefore there is meaning in morality of life. Otherwise, it's all random and there's no difference between murder and and and and mother Theresa about I know what I believe that is stated in the face and I acknowledge that there was room for faith that is provable if faithful, provable, then it wouldn't be called faith. It would be cold and we religious people don't look good if we offer something of faith well Dennis if you just think clearly, you undoubtedly would understand that God has a song you can't say that you can say you have everything you personally have every reason to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is God, so God's only begotten son, and died for our sins, and I admire that belief, but you can't say that sheer logic just a read of the Bible leads to that because that leads to the Jews really are blind and it can only ultimately lead to the medieval Christian hatred of Jews really don't have the devil for a father that is what was sent to Jews you gave us you she's a Jew came to you when you didn't even see him. You are sick.

That's really if if if if if push comes to shove, that is really what might be implied here as opposed to this is my faith and I Dennis will judge your faith solely solely by what you produce. That's it. There was no other criterion. So I do it with my fellow Jews, and I do it with Christians.

What is the fruit of your faith in medieval Europe.

It was pretty awful. In America it is spectacular. Okay, again, universalism. What is the fruit of your faith, whether it's in Allah, or whether it's in a false God, or whether it's in, but it was the fruit of it. Are you morality, keep the 10 Commandments are you good your fellow human being.

That's all I care about that that is not what the Bible cares about about whether there is an object there has to be an object of faith and the object of faith is what Jesus did on our behalf, so he says faith is improvable you. Everyone is a person of faith. By the way, even the most ranked secular person in the world who is an atheist and hates gods of other person of faith. They have no there praying faith in what they cannot prove a lot about that God doesn't exist and how the world came to be and what can happen afterwards. Nothing happened, so faith that no evidence for any of that method. They have greater faith.

It takes less faith to believe what God is revealed in Scripture. Based on the natural world around us based on our conscience based on based on the resurrection of Christ, the works of Christ eyewitnesses to that takes far less faith.

Yes, there is an element of faith, of course, God's test for man is always faith in what he revealed to us. So how is Alastair Begg going to be answering that that that deposition by Dennis Prager. I hope that you're not arguing that your faith creates the Exodus that the Exodus is a validity because it is for you and expression of faith. I believe there was an actual Exodus that the Red Sea was parted as it is described for us in the Bible so that faith in faith is nothing other than faith and faith. The question is, is there a basis for this faith are we dealing with real history in real time with real people. If we are, then we have a foundation upon which to make our statements of faith.

That's why one of the finest Jewish fellows of the first century, Saul of Tarsus finally says if Christ is not risen, then your faith is futile. Know if what he was actually sitting was all that really matters is your faith, whether there's a basis for it or not is rather is it is neither here nor there. The claim of Christianity is that it is historical that it is rational and that it is empirical that it can be put to the test that the evidence of the New Testament for the resurrection of Jesus has to be interacted with when when that the great march atheist wrote his book, Dawkins that he never interacted for more than a page with the question of the resurrection of Jesus. He dismissed it might offend which was intellectually impoverished and it was logically wrong, and so we can get away with simply saying is just a matter of faith and you can determine whether the person was a nice guy or not, because they because were not left with that is as an option. We aren't the claims of Christ, the works of Christ. The evidence for God. The evidence for Christ does not leave us with any other option but to say and Mike and if my faith is based on all the evidence, it is not as it is not faith in sort of faith in faith or faith in the unlikely blind faith that all this is just my stories. No no is Begg said it's real history real time. Real people, is there a basis for my faith. What is the foundation it's not faith for the sake of faith. Prager setting a faith is improvable law. You can't prove in a scientific experiment, observe and reproduce it how God created the world, but the evidence all leads to that particular conclusion is the same thing for Christ as well. All the evidence of who he is what he said what he did the miracles rising from the dead, the witnesses all lead to the foundation of saying that man but God meant is worthy of me putting my faith in for salvation to be right with God. That is what God is revealed. Thank you for listening to the Christian real view today.

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