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Why don't we just try this. Let's get to Nancy from Ohio. Hey, Nancy, welcome. You are on the air. Thank you very much. I listen to you every night.

I'm a first-time caller. And I would like to know if you could please tell me what Mormons actually believe in. Well, I can tell you what official Mormon theology is. Mormons differ.

Okay. But what Mormonism teaches is that God is an exalted man for another planet. And he's a human being that became a god and that he resurrected one of his wives to goddesshood. And they came to this world and they produce offspring in heaven that are supposed to inhabit human bodies when they're born.

And so in the preexistence, because they say we're all preexisting and the first one born between God and his goddess wife, the first one born was Jesus and then we were all born brothers and sisters to Jesus in the preexistence. There needed to be a plan of salvation and Satan offered a plan. Jesus offered a plan. The father went with Jesus' plan. So he began the devil. He rebelled and he took a third of these preborn spirits. They sided with him so they could never be born in human bodies.

They're demonic forces. A third of the spirits that went with Jesus' plan for the glory of God the father, they are born in white skin bodies. Now, they don't officially teach this part necessarily anymore, but they used to teach in the 1800s. And the prophets said they spoke. Brigham Young taught it.

And he said in Journal of Discourses, volume 13, page 95, that everything he said was as good as scripture. So anyway, there's that. So the third, remember, a third didn't go with Jesus but went with the devil's plan so they're not going to be born in bodies. They're demonic forces. A third of those preborn spirits went with Jesus' plan for the glory of the father and they were born in white skin bodies. And a third that didn't go either way were cursed to be born in black skin bodies. And the blacks were not allowed to hold a priesthood until I think it was 78 and when they suddenly got a new revelation.

And it was shortly after the civil rights movement here in America and they got new revelations. So suddenly, hey, now you can hold the priesthood. So anyway, after you pay a full 10 percent tithe of your income to the church, you have to be up to date on your tithes for at least a year, you can get what's called a temple recommend. A temple recommend allows you to go into their temple. You get white garments and nothing kinky goes on there, inside there, but they go in, they dress, they change clothes into these garments and they go through different rooms.

And these rooms symbolize varying parts of doctrinal truths in the Mormon system. When they go into the temple, they're given a fig leaf apron, a green fig leaf apron. It's in a bag and they're told not to put it on yet. And it's about, I don't know, I've got one someplace but it's been so long.

I think it's about 10 inches by 10 inches square and then it has a strap that you tie behind your back and you're supposed to put it over your groin area at the right time. This is over the white clothing. So they go into different rooms, they watch different films that depict varying things that Mormonism teaches. And in one room, there's an actor in the film playing the devil, the one playing a preacher like myself, the one playing Jesus, and I believe God the Father. And so Adam asks Satan, what's that apron you have on? Satan has a dark fig leaf apron on. Same thing, it's his different color.

It's very dark, I think it's like super dark blue or black, I think it's dark blue. And he answered, it's a symbol of my priesthood and authority, my priesthood and my power, I forgot which it is. And then the film stops and then the Mormons are told to take off their fig leaf aprons and put them on. They go through this ceremony and they're supposed to have secret handshakes that they got from the Mormon temple, I mean from the Masons, but anyway, secret handshakes. This is so that when you are a good Mormon and you've gone to the temple ceremony, you've got all this stuff kept celestial law, then you have the ability to become a god of your own planet, but you've got to shake hands with God who came from the other planet with a veil that's in heaven. You can shake hands with them, these secret handshakes.

And so you can start the whole process over again. That's Mormonism. Okay, I didn't know too much about them, I do know that they have an ancestry thing there in Salt Lake that they believe that they can by proxy go back and baptize them and then they'll, that's the only thing I really knew. And the reason they do that is because they believe that there's something called baptism for the dead. And baptism for the dead is, when you die, there's three levels of heaven in Mormonism.

The lowest is Telestial, the middle is Terrestrial, and the highest is Celestial. Most Mormons will go to the middle kingdom. I'll probably end up, because I'm an anti-Mormon, they should call me, I'll probably end up going to the bottom kingdom, but I've had some Mormons say, well, I'm sincere, so I'll go to the middle kingdom with them. The idea is, in order to be a true Mormon in the afterlife, you have to be baptized. So what they do is they practice baptism.

They rip the scripture out of context, out of 1 Corinthians 15, 25. What should we do for those who get baptized if they don't get baptized? It's not about the Christians doing it, it's about the pagans who are doing it, but that's another thing. And so they get baptized so that in the afterlife you can move between levels, I think it is, and get higher knowledge and appreciation and stuff like that in the afterlife. I was just going to say, their baptism isn't the same as ours. Oh, no, no, no, their baptism is not valid at all. Mormonism is a non-Christian cult. I knew they were non-Christian, and along with what he's saying about the Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses.

Right, they're also false. And the Mormons teach that the Trinity is three separate gods. A god, the Father, another god, the Holy Ghost, another god, Jesus. Then there's the mother goddess. Then there's the god that exalted them, or him, from the other world. So there's at least four gods right there, five gods. So they actually, technically, they're worshiping an alien, a life form from another planet. And that's who they worship.

And it's mates, they worship as gods and goddesses. So Joseph Smith started this, but he was involved in the occult. A lot of people don't know that, but he was an occultist. And he then said that God the Father appeared to him, which had never happened because the Bible said that's impossible.

And it clearly says God the Father can't be seen, and I can show the verses for that. And so everything goes on Joseph Smith, who had over 30 wives, and he often, or sometimes, let's just say married women, had to be sealed to them. So the afterlife, because he's a prophet of God, so he gets the women to be sealed, meant they had to do the naughty.

And so there were these ceremonies you go through to get them sealed so you could have women. Okay, and I know somebody that was a Mormon, and they were baptized in a non-denominational church, and I mentioned something. I said, then, you're not a Mormon anymore. They said, once a Mormon, always a Mormon. Have you ever heard that?

Oh, yeah. It's just something Mormons like to say to bolster their own belief system, but it's not. When people find out what Mormonism really teaches, a lot of them just say, we're done. Especially when they go through the Mormon temple ceremony. A lot of Mormons leave when they're told to put on the apron, the fig leaf apron that Satan has.

It's just a different color. It shakes a lot of Mormons up. They don't want anything to do with it after that. So there's that, plus the Internet has done a lot of damage to the Mormon church because people are finding out what it teaches. You've got another planet, and you have to do good works in order to be saved and become gods.

You have to have the handshakes. The husbands, they have to call forth their wives in the afterlife. If she's not a good woman, he may not call her forth. So women in the Mormon church are under a lot of pressure. In fact, I remember reading a statistic a while back that Utah had the highest rate of any state in the union of women who were on medication for depression. Is that because they don't do what?

Well, it's because the Mormon church puts a lot of works on Mormons. On the women? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

So if the husband doesn't like you or you get upset, he may not call you forth. Also, I've got stories of people who were Mormons and just questioned a couple of things in it, and they were attacked verbally, spiritually, lost their jobs, things like this, just for doubting some of the things in it. What about this?

Don't ask questions. So it's a mind control cult, and that has polished itself over the decades to make it appear Christian. But it most certainly is not.

It's not Christian. Okay. Thank you very much, and I'll let you go so you can answer other people's questions. And thank you very much. You're welcome very much. Well, God bless you. And you have a good evening. You too. Thanks. All right. Well, we have five open lines.

If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 8772072276. Let me read some stuff out of what Mormonism teaches. These are from Mormon sources.

So I'm not making this stuff up, okay? I've been studying Mormonism off and on for over 40 years. So, Bruce Mcconkey was one of the 70s quorum apostles. I think it was an apostle. And he said there's many gods.

There's a mother goddess. God needs to be a man, not a planet. God the Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's. In fact, he's about six feet tall.

So I'm six feet tall, and so he's as tall as I am. And God the Father had a father. I mean, I could read all the documentation of where it's from, but after we get back from the break, I'll continue to read some of the things that Mormonism teaches. You know, like God the Father had a father, Joseph Smith, History of the Church, volume 6, page 476.

That's where it's found, like all these documentation. Anyway, we'll be right back after these messages. Give me a call, 8772072276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 8772072276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air here with Ed.

Hey, Ed from Utah, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, brother, how are you? Oh, hey, buddy. I'm doing fine. Tired today. Got a lot going on. Oh, do you?

Oh, yeah, yeah. You wouldn't know because you don't do anything. You're just lazy around. I know.

I just sit down a lot. That's all I do. But hey, I wanted to run a question back in. I figured this would be a good one for a wider audience to hear. Maybe not.

You may think it's stupid. So as you know, my contacts is Provo, and it's highly LDS where I'm at. And you know, their claim with the Book of Mormon is that it is the most perfect book on earth. That is their claim. And so my question is, do they believe that their other three books are inerrant? Since only the Book of Mormon, in their words, is the most perfect book on earth, would they consider Pearl, Great Price, DMC, and Pearl, Great Price, and DMC as perfect books?

Yeah, they do. And incidentally, it's in History of the Strict of Volume 4, page 461, where they say the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on earth, and a man can get closer to the precepts of God by following it than by any other book. And the problem is it doesn't contain exaltation, becoming God, God from another world, temple ceremony. It doesn't contain the essentials of the Mormon faith. But they do hold to the inspiration of these documents as being correct, even though the Doctrine and Covenants was altered quite a bit.

Correct. It was written, stuff was taken out, put back in, changed, and they say it was... Mormons are just not too mean, but they're just very ignorant of their own history. They don't know, for example, the Meadows Massacre, where the Mormons murdered 124 men, women, and children out of a wagon train. But the Haun Mills Massacre, they only talk about that, but they don't know why it happened. Not that it makes it okay, but they don't talk about the cause of it, what the Mormons did. They don't talk about the $3 bill that Joseph Smith started to go or developed.

They don't talk about how they would go into different areas as they would travel around. And then they would use church money to undermine the stores in towns, give a discount to the members, and then charge to the Gentiles, charge number. So the Gentiles started going to these places because they got a little bit of a discount. And so they drove people out of business, and then they would take over politically and economically.

And so there's a lot of resentment. Mormons don't know a lot of this stuff, but I can go on and on. And then the town would get mad at them, riot, run them out of town, so they'd go to the next one. And then the Mormons say, look, we're just persecuted. But they don't say, well, we're persecuted because we go into these towns and drive people out of business and cause people to lose their homes.

Because we did what we had to do. They don't talk about that. This is the thing about cults, is they polish their history to make it look good.

In fact, there's at least four different first vision accounts. And the Mormons, they're not aware of Joseph Smith's occult dealings. He was involved in contacting the dead. And this is at the time of that is when he started mad at them.

Yep, he was. Money digging, necromancy, absolutely. And so what the Mormon church has done is just polished their image. And unfortunately, those who believe in it and die in it are going to go to hell. And the fires of hell and that hate will be upon them forever because they believe in a false god.

And this is not what I want for them. Correct, my brother. We are on the same page there.

If I could ask you one follow-up question. So the wording of that quote, that citation from the Book of Mormon, doesn't that shoot itself in the foot for having other inspired books? Does that make sense? He said it's the most correct. Well, then you could have others that are almost as correct. And I think it's a good question. So is that what they would consider the Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as less correct than the Book of Mormon? That'd be interesting to ask them that. I never really thought about that. That's good. Yeah, so that is the essence of my question right there.

If you're going to say that the Book of Mormon is the most correct book, then that means you can't have any other book faster than that. That's right. Anyway, I just wanted to get that thought out there. You're smarter than you look. You're so much smarter than you look, buddy.

That's a good one. I'm going to have to memorize that. I love you, too, man. I love you, too, man. All right, buddy.

We'll see you later, my friend. All right, God bless. I've known Ed for at least ten years, I think. I don't know, a long time. All right, let's get to Kip, I believe that is, from South Carolina. Welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, man. I hate to put scares on you, but I have an issue with animals or dinosaurs, especially when people talk about anything before Adam and Eve. So my understanding is that there was no death on Earth. There was no intention by God to have any death on Earth. It was a curse brought on by sin.

Well, hold on. Before we go any further, what about Adam and Eve eating a fruit, and the cellular material which is alive is digested and then dies in their stomach? Would that be death? Yeah, and I understand that creatures were vegetarian before death came into play. What I'm trying to do is get you to understand what death is. How does the Bible define it? We know that animals can die, but death is separation from God, Isaiah 15.9.2. It occurred by the curse, God's warning in Genesis 2.17. So, at any rate, I'd always like to be a little bit more precise than the average bear so that we can go a bit further in our discussions. All right, so no death.

Okay, go ahead. Yeah, so there was no death. It was brought on by a curse, because he said there would be pain and suffering and death from just going on.

If I'm correct, the woman giving birth, she will have pain. It will be a reminder of the sin. So, I'm just trying to figure... Can you hold on? We've got a break.

I'm sorry. We've got a break here, so hold on. We'll get right back to you after the break. All right, folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

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Oh, I hit the wrong button. Okay, we are back on the air. I'll just get to Kip back there. Hey, Kip, welcome. You're back on the air, buddy.

Hey, Matt. Okay, so I felt like Eve was not afraid of the surface, because she had no idea of the concept of death or suffering. It wasn't anything that anybody really understood.

So, my final question would be, if God loves all his creation, and he marvels at it and so on and so forth, why would he create an animal, a dinosaur, say a deer, just to have it be savagely eaten alive? Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I've got to ask you.

You said savagely eaten. Are you a Christian or not or what? I'm just curious. Oh, sure. Sure what? You are?

I'm absolutely a Christ follower, yes. Okay, so savagely eaten. I'm not sure what that means.

What does that mean? Eating what's alive and keeping it alive and putting blood transfusions in it to torture it savagely? What?

Well, if I watch any footage of a deer being eaten by a lion while it's alive, and sometimes even where the baby inside the mother deer... I get you. I get you. Okay.

I don't want too much. There's kids in cars, so I'm just trying to be nice. So this is the result of the fall, okay, because of sin in the world. Adam represented the world and mankind, and when he fell, sin entered the world, and this is what the result is, okay?

Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, so my question then goes back to... So, but before, like, if people believe in dinosaurs or something and animals lived before Adam, so they just would go through this process, you know, a mother with this baby being ripped from, you know, so on and so forth, so I won't get graphic, but I mean, so before, I just don't understand why the process would be to watch his creation go through that turmoil, because what I understood was everything was vegetarian before the fall.

Okay, wait, wait, wait. You're confusing me. So you want to know, what is your precise question? Without a because inside of it, just... My precise question would be, okay, my precise question would be if there were animals, dinosaurs, what have you, before death...

There were. I don't understand the process of a loving God who loves his creation would have it structured to where an animal dies of brutal death. Wait a second, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Your question is so fragmented and long that I'm having a lot of trouble following you, okay? Are you just asking why is there such suffering in the world like that among the animal kingdom, before or after the fall? Is that what you're asking? Yes, preferably before. We don't know if there was any...

I understand why after... Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, okay. So, we don't see anything in scripture to say that that was the case before the fall, okay? Is that right?

Are you there? So, yes. So, you're saying that before the fall, he still had it structured to where a lion, another animal... No, I didn't hear what I just said. I said there's nothing in the scriptures that say that that was the case before the fall, okay? I can't say it was the case. I can't say it was not. It would seem to be the case that it was not because generally speaking, death is spoken of the things that have blood in them because Leviticus 11 and 14 talks about the life is in the blood. And since plants don't have blood, therefore it would not be really designated as a form of death. So, probably all the animals were vegetarian or herbivores, all right?

And then the fall came in and that's it. People don't think it's possible. Yes, it is possible. There's even a lion someplace that's vegetarian right now. I forgot where it is or the article. Yeah, I mean, we were vegetarian also. I mean, from what I understand, God killed the first animal to flow back. Yes, that's true. It would seem to be the case. Did that answer the question?

It helps. I'm doing some studies. I'm speaking with Frank Kirk and I'm just trying to get a different perspective as to when did death enter and was that whenever the pain and suffering came in for all creatures. When Adam sinned, that's when we could say it all started.

It doesn't seem to be the case before the fall, all right? My position is every creature was a herbivore. I can't prove it. It won't die in that hill, but that seems to be the case, all right? There's no proof, but I'm just trying to get some ground to stand on. Yes, because, you know, at that point, man and animal were intended to live, weren't to face death. So that's the study I'm in and I'm just trying to get my homework.

I just wanted to get your angle on it. Okay, sounds good. Okay. All right. Thanks a lot. Okay.

All right. Let's get on the air with Chris from Indiana. Chris, welcome.

You're on the air. Chris. Hello. Chris. Hello, Chris.

Okay, I guess not. Well, let's put him on hold and then we'll get to Glenn from North Carolina. Glenn, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Glenn. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm Glenn. The question I have to ask you is about the two different groups of people in Revelation. Wait, I couldn't hear you.

The one through a given white man. Okay, start again, because it was just a mumble for me. I couldn't hear it.

A bad connection or something happened. What's your question? Sorry. My question is about the two different groups of saints that appear before the throne. After the fifth, when the others in the fifth field, there's silence. And then there's a group that appears before the throne that are given white robes. I think it's maybe in six or seven, there's another group that appears in white thrones. I mean white robes.

I'm sorry. White robes. Well, I can't tell you, because I had to study it to see, to look for what's called a review or repetition and or to see if it's chronological to see what's going on. And the white robes generally, what it means is salvation and the righteousness, that the white is a symbol of that purity. So that's what's going on there.

Without studying it with that in mind, to look for any differentiation of time frame, I couldn't answer you. Well, the reason I'm asking is because I grew up in a just-in-service church. And I was taught things before the cross and what applies after the cross. And it just strikes me all through the New Testament, it talks about it's not of our righteousness, but of Christ. And the saints of old who died before the cross, I mean, that's what I see that's happening right there.

Because they're given white robes. And it talks about when this feels open, there's like a space of time that is silent. Well, Jesus was in the grave for three days. And I think when he rose and was seen, it talks about saints of old being seen coming in there.

They had been dead for years. And it just strikes me as that because that's what I was taught before the cross. I can't give you a definitive answer without that in mind while I'm reading through two chapters trying to look for stuff. A lot of times what people will do, I'm not saying you're doing this or anybody else, it's just people will sometimes read and they don't look at every single word. And it might say but or and following or and then. And these things are joiners that either show a continuation or a cessation and a new beginning of something.

And so I always look for things like that to see. And so I just, like I said... Well, as you mentioned there, what's amazing about that is when the first group of tears, it says these are those who died for the word of God and the testimony of the Lord. The second group of tears, it says that they're singing praises to God and to the Lamb. There's a clear difference in the Lord and the Lamb.

As you understand the Lord in the Old Testament, the Lamb in the New Testament... I got you. I got you. We've got a break coming up. And like I said, without having that mind studying and I couldn't tell you.

So it's a good question. But study that and see if it's repetition. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back. All right. Welcome back to the show.

All right. Let's get on the air with Todd from Maine. Hey Todd, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, how you doing? Oh, I'm hanging in there. Hanging in there.

What do you got? Hey Matt, you know, I guess probably more than anything I may be seeking, maybe your counsel on a particular thing is home fellowships. You know, I've got a lot of good friends, Christian friends that I've known for a long time.

You know, I've attended some home fellowships over the years. But what I'm finding is what I'm concluding is over time is the Bible study seemed to end up pretty much the same emotional, sensational, feely type of home studies. And I think what I find is a lot of times there's a lot of biblical ignorance that's pooled in these home studies. And there's a lot of times that, you know, we have opportunities in these home studies where people will sort of air their opinion or this is what the Bible means to me kind of situation. And a lot of times, you know, if I bring up doctrine, it might get an odd look as if it was an alien concept. Because, you know, I'm going to rattle off a couple of things here.

And these are all rhetorical. And I know, you know, these things, you know, sound doctrine is spiritually profitable. Right. It guards against sin. Right.

It delineates between truth and error. Second Corinthians. It was central to Christ's ministry. Right.

Matthew, Mark. It was central to the early church acts. Right. It was central to the apostles ministry. Right. Anticipation prepares for errors when sound doctrine is out of season. Right. It's not like that protects the church from false teachers. I mean, I could rattle off more.

Yes. There's a whole litany of those things. But I guess what I'm getting to, Matt, is one of the I'm really bothered by this, especially the statistics. It shows that how biblically ignorant and illiterate the church really is in our day. It weighs heavily on my mind. And when I see my friends around this, especially in the last couple of months, is sort of trying to think of a way to approach my friends. And some of these guys are pastors and leaders in a church that I've attended for a long time. And some of the biblical ignorance that I see coming out of it is I hate to say this, but it's becoming more intolerable. And you have a question? I do. Or just commenting.

Yeah, I guess I could add, you know, sort of. Yeah, sort of giving you that background, I guess my question is to you, what is your what would be the approach you would take to close friends who are who do not get the facts when they're given a home study or they're teaching out of the Holy Scriptures and they're just getting everything wrong. And it's based on emotionalism and sensationalism. Well, you know, the average Joe is different than clergy. When I'm in a Bible study, people know who I am, generally speaking, and so they look to me to answer questions. And so I don't go to Bible studies because I'm going to ruin it for other people. So if I were to say, hey, you need to study this doctrine because it's important. OK, that's different than a guy named Bob.

You know, he's a waiter at a restaurant and he says the same thing. They might not listen. Believe it or not, people pay attention to that kind of stuff and it makes a difference.

I don't think it should, but that's what it is. So what do you do? You need to go to the leadership. The leadership needs to be online with this. The leadership needs to be understanding that doctrine is important and that the feel good ism is heresy.

You can do things, though. So I remember very, very distinctly, I was just out of seminary and there was a local Bible study in the area where I was living. And I went to this Bible study and, you know, I'm going to keep quiet. I don't want to ruin it for people. I'm just going to keep quiet. Just listen. Fellowship.

That's good. And so the Bible study leader asked the person to his left. It was about 10 or 12 of us to his left. He went around for a few people and that was good enough.

But he asked the first person, what does this verse mean to you? Which concerned me. Yes. All the time.

Yes. And then the person, well, I think blah, blah, blah, no hermeneutics, no doctrinal relationship, nothing. And my eyes just slowly bugged out. And I thought, OK, it wasn't the answer wasn't too bad. It was rather imprecise, but, you know. And then he said to the second person, what does it mean to you? And the second person gave a contradictory response to the first one. And I'm thinking, oh, yeah, now I'm thinking, OK, this is a perfect time to teach.

This Bible study leader needs to address this discrepancy and go through and teach on how to interpret scripture and go through various things. And he said, I can't remember the exact words, but it was along the lines of, OK, well, we have different opinions. Well, that's good.

OK, let's go to the next verse. And my jaw just dropped open. It was ludicrous. This kind of a thing is unfortunately prevalent.

Yes. And it is. I'm with you.

I'm with you. And, yeah, it's all of those things you just rattled off. I see that every time. And, you know, Romans 12, you know, tells us we're not to think of ourself as highly above others.

Right. And I certainly don't do that. My primary concern is biblical truth and biblical truth only. And when you sit there and you listen to that, I mean, when you already know what the truth is.

It can be difficult. So what are you going to do about it? So here's the thing. Yeah. We have on Karm a method of an article on how to interpret scripture. That was going to be my second question is at your Web site with whether or not you could lead me to a place where I could maybe read some articles that you might have put out.

Yeah. Just go there and look up how to interpret scripture. And there's a basic article. You can print it up and you can take it to Bible study leaders and you can say these things. You can ask questions, raise questions like I've noticed in some of the studies that people's answers to things about scripture contradict each other. But truth is not contradictory. Now, should we address this or not?

What do you think? A lot of times Bible study leaders, they don't know stuff. They just kind of become a Bible study leader. And so one of the things let me tell you this, you know, in over the years, we've had people who want to work with Karm and we've had seminary students and graduates, recent graduates, you know, and I answer emails. I said, OK, well, let me quiz you and I'll say, sure. I said, I don't expect you to answer the things that I would answer.

I do this all the time. I said, but what's a trinity? And half of them get it right.

Is Jesus a man right now? Most of them. Well, not half of them got it right.

And when I started asking other questions, you know, like, are we justified by faith alone or is it the sincerity of our heart and to baptism and and obedience that we're justified? You know, make it sound like it's biblical. OK. And they'll go, yeah, that's right. And so I say, you know, I do this for 20 minutes within asking questions. I take notes and I say, look, I'm just going to tell you that that you're not you don't even understand the basics. And I just tell so many people this. And it's not just on my level. It sounds boasting on my level.

I do this for forty three years. I study it all the time. I'm just saying, you know, just I understand what if you get the basic, you don't word the Trinity perfectly.

That's OK. You know, move on. But they fail. And if they're failing, not all of them, but a lot of them are failing. Then why is it that you'd expect the Bible studies to be taught? The Bible prophesies a second Thessalonians, too, that there's going to be an apostasy. And I don't believe that pastors and elders are teaching enough sound doctrine.

There's a lot of them who are. But we have the degradation of the Christian church. They couldn't argue. We had a wet paper bag. Get this.

This is for real. I was at a seminar once that I was teaching and I was they wanted me to do on basic doctrine. So I said, OK, everybody, before I get started, I want to ask you some questions. And I said, I'm not trying to intimidate you, but I said, just want to ask some questions. Raise your hands. You don't want to raise your hands. Don't raise your hands. I said, OK, how many believe in the Trinity? OK, good.

You already know. Everybody's hands go up. Same as 100 people. Right.

Ninety five percent of the hands go up. Maybe some people just I don't know. Don't want to say it.

Who knows? OK, good. Now, if you raise your hand, I'm going to call on you. How many can defend the Trinity is from scripture? No hands go up.

All right. How many believe Jesus is God in flesh? Raise your hands. The hands go up. OK, now, if you raise your hand, I'm calling you on this one.

How many of you can defend his deity from scripture? Maybe one or two hands will go up and then half go up and they'll quote a verse. And I'm always encouraging, you know, I don't want to make them look bad. You're on the right track. Very good.

You know, and stuff like that. And that's fine. OK. And then I say, here's another question.

How many are afraid to raise your hands? You know, people laugh and we have good time. But this is this is typical. This is typical. Yeah, very important.

I agree. Which is why I want to start having seminars on teaching doctrine. In fact, once I get my camera stuff working, one of the things I want to do is do what's called, I'm not sure, we'll call it the one minute seminary where I go through maybe a two minute seminary, where I go through a doctrine in one minute or less or two minutes or less.

And then it just goes one after another, after another, after another. And I want to put it up on the Web with a video right there. And you can see the article and you can see the questions that are related to it and the learning points. And with that, they can download and they can do everything. I want to do this.

I need help because this is a lot of work. I can do all the speaking. They do editing and they can do all this coordination.

But I'm always just working my tail off. But anyway, the Christians need this stuff. And I think they want it. Yes.

Yeah. People are hungry for it. You know, I know I can't go and sit and listen to somebody teach out of the scripture and just make it a story. I want to hear it read. I want to hear it interpreted.

And I want to hear how it's going to be applied. You know, if you can't interpret it, you're not going to know how to apply it. It just becomes sensationalism, emotionalism.

You know, these guys are not using these. How about sermons? They're just mostly stories. All the time. That's one of the most frustrating things is that a lot of these churches out there today, the teaching is just mostly storytelling and about the pastor himself. And some of these guys, Matt, good friends of mine, you know, one I served in the prison ministry for over a decade and him and I get in some pretty heated discussions. And I say, look, you just got to use simple principles.

You know, there's a literal principle, the historical principle, grammatical principle, the synthetic principle. Oh, there we go. Hey, we're out of time.

Where did I lose? No, we just got at the end of the show. Got to go.

Todd, you and I could just sit and commiserate together. We could call back. We'll talk some more about it. OK.

I think it's important. God bless. Hey, and there's Chris from Texas. Sorry about that. Y'all called callback. Brandy from Utah and Lazarus. Call back. Deborah Knackel, choir and Ron. Call back. Hey, folks. God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.