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Just absolute mayhem. You think you know where a franchise is going? They have Kirk Cousins for four years now. Kirk Cousins is on the clock because Michael Pennix Jr. did go to the Atlanta Falcons at number eight. And after Michael Pennix did go, it's at a domino effect. All right, Vikings, we know they had to land JJ McCarthy.

They did that. Some people were surprised by Bo Nix going to the Denver Broncos. Just absolute mayhem. You had defensive players who we thought were going to go in the top 10, fall out of the top 10, with Dallas Turner being one of them.

Just absolute mayhem last night at Detroit. And now joining us, one of the best NFL reporters in the business. He, of course, is my friend James Palmer, who always does a sensational job whenever he joins us right here on the Zach Galb Show on the Infinity Sports Network. James, appreciate it. How you been, my man? I'm good, baby. Last night was awesome. I'm not going to lie. I had an awesome time. Everybody knows I had an awesome time.

It was great, Zach. Let me start you off with the Falcons did. I like them signing Kirk Cousins. Now I don't because it's not as if they drafted someone that was 21, 22 that you need to develop and is an NFL ready. I kind of want to see Michael Pennix Jr. now play with all the weapons that he has in Atlanta. Yeah.

And the way it was described to me, and I've kind of been all over this to kind of toot my own horn. I've known for a little while that that was one of their picks just because Dallas Turner was the play that everybody had in the mock draft. You mentioned no defensive players in the top 10. They didn't like Dallas Turner at all. To my understanding, they didn't really have any defensive players in the top 10 on their board.

Pretty similar to a lot of other teams. And when they looked at their board, it was, we really love Michael Pennix. Some people in the building had him as the second best quarterback on their board. You could say maybe he was their third best after Caleb and Jayden Daniels. But after that workout that they had out in Washington where they went out with a contingent with Terry Fontenot and everybody was there.

I was told Zach it was like 40 degrees, winds whipping all over the place and he goes outdoors, throws the ball like he's working out in an indoor that's 80 degrees. And on the plane ride back, all of them are going, we might have a really difficult situation on our hands when we hit the clock at eight because people were falling in love with Michael Pennix. You mentioned the age, but I could also look at the age of Arthur Blank and I believe there is that video going around that everybody's seeing Terry Fontenot looking like he's describing what they did with eight to Arthur Blank.

I think it's the exact opposite. I think Arthur had a big part in making this pick of Michael Pennix because of what happened with Matt Ryan and his departure and them not having a plan. I believe he wants to have a chance for a Super Bowl for the duration of the time that he ends up owning this team. He is 81 years old to have a plan past Kirk Cousins. You mentioned wanting to see Michael Pennix with all of these weapons.

I kind of hinted at it. It was described to me that he's kind of a souped up Kirk Cousins, kind of a supercharged version with a better arm. But a lot of the same traits, which makes them think the transition might be easy, but also make me for a difficult time during training camp when everybody sees Michael Pennix out there slinging it next to Kirk Cousins coming off the Achilles. How long do you think Kirk Cousins will actually be the quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons?

Right now, it was put to me that he has an extremely expensive insurance policy. I don't know what that exactly means, but I know he's the starter right now. And I think we are all being a little bit naive, Zach, in all honesty, like just with him and with Aaron Rogers and their age and coming off of this injury that we all just assume they are going to be the players that we've seen before. Now, there's a very good chance they both can go out there and play.

Running around is not a huge part of both of their games in all honesty. I think A-Rod can go out there in a wheelchair and probably sling it all over the field with his arm talent. But it's nice to have another quarterback in your room. I think, you know, Kirk Cousins is the quarterback for this season. I think the Falcons would like it that he's the quarterback for the two years that are guaranteed money and then you transition. I don't think, in all honesty, Atlanta cares how old Michael Pennix is going to be. We're all looking at that. We're probably all looking at that in terms of Michael Pennix going, man, when's my next contract, right?

Like, how am I going to be when I'm trying to get my second deal as an eighth overall pick? But I think Atlanta is just looking at let's see who's the most talented quarterback to play. We think that's Kirk right now. And it doesn't hurt to have Michael Pennix sit.

So from what you said, they went to the workout, right, their private work that they had. They fell in love with him. They were buzzing about him on the flight back. If Terry Fontenot could have a do-over, do you think he doesn't even sign Kirk Cousins? They just rock and roll with Michael Pennix Jr. at eight and start in week one?

I don't think they mind their situation. I really don't think he would ask for a do-over because then you're also asking and they do believe that Michael Pennix, you know, processes extremely well, throws with anticipation, can layer the football, put it pretty much anywhere. A lot of traits doesn't take sacks. A big part that they loved is over 1,800 dropbacks in his college career.

He took 31 sacks. I mean, like that's like that's ridiculous. But I do think you're also with the team that they've put together. You would be trotting out a rookie quarterback to try to go out and win the division and they believe compete heavily in the NFC. I think they still think they're in a very good position. There weren't a whole lot of holes in this team. They didn't like Dallas Turner as an edge. You know, maybe they want they wanted to get an edge in the in the back end of the first round.

They tried to get up for lot two. It came really close. And that would have been a perfect first round probably for Atlanta. And I wonder if they would have been able to get that pick.

I wanted to get up. I think he would end up going 15th over to Indianapolis. If they were able to get him, what do you think the perception of what Atlanta did in this draft would be? Do you think it would be different if they ended up going and getting an edge rusher in the back end of the first? I think it would be a little bit different.

So it's a great question. Now, I was on an island because I kept on saying that they were going to draft Roma dunes at eight. Now, I know they needed and they needed defense, but I still think there would have been a lot of blowback just because it feels now the Kirk Cousins signing is irrelevant.

Like you didn't need to do it because once again you you draft Michael Penix Junior. He's he's I think he's ready to go now. This isn't. Yeah.

You know, a Drake may that you hear. You may be exactly the entirety of the this isn't like people say the Packers model. Heck, Arthur Blank said it to me in February. He goes. Sometimes you need to find an interim solution and then the long term solution like what Green Bay did. But Jordan Love wasn't ready. He was twenty one.

Penix is ready to go. So I think it would have weathered the storm a little bit, but there still would have been a lot of pushback. Very much so.

And I think you could always use the term we use in our personal lives. You can't help who you fall in love with because they didn't have anybody else up there that they really, really love. You mentioned the receiver spot. They weren't in the receiver market. They weren't going to take a skilled guy for the fourth year in a row in the top 10. The one that they did love was Malik neighbors. That was the one that they actually really, really liked in terms of the receiver group.

I don't think anybody dislikes Marvin Harrison Jr. Go Bucks. But in all honesty, they did like, you know, Malik neighbors. They're in their meetings. They're going. I think we're going to have to make this move because this is the guy on our board that is up there. And if Arthur Blank and is this is this is in every building, Zach, if the owner has a major say, that's going to push the dominoes in that direction. And to my understanding, Arthur had a big say in that Michael Penix be the pick at eight. Yeah, I know I saw the video last night and you have all these aggregators and I'm not crapping aggregators because, you know, hey, we love when they like Seinfeld, everybody trying to determine what they're saying, you know, like Kramer's out there.

We're going to sweep together. Yeah, but there's no way that Arthur Blank this is not draft day where he found out like as the pick was being made, what the pick was actually going to be. I don't believe that for a second.

All right. I know that you live in Denver. I know you heard some rumblings of how much Sean Payton was falling in love with Bo Nix. I would have never thought he would have been the 12th overall pick. But once you have Michael Penix go at eight and then the Vikings say, okay, now we need to go get JJ McCarthy. I could see why Bo Nix was the pick at 12.

Do you like that move for Denver? First, I don't think Zach, whatever happened in front of them would have altered them picking Bo Nix 12 no matter how many quarterbacks were off the board. I think they would have stuck with Nix. They didn't like McCarthy. My understanding that was a lot of smoke out there. There weren't huge fans of JJ McCarthy. They weren't super high on Michael Penix. I would think a lot of Penix's traits, like the sack numbers that I mentioned there would fit Sean Payton, but Bo Nix was their guy.

And this is a fascinating one because I got, you mentioned, I live in Denver. The tech started coming in from war rooms. I can't believe they took Bo Nix at 12.

That kept coming into my phone. But there's the other school of thought going. The quarterback position, if he's the guy you really, really want, it doesn't matter where you pick them. It's an outlier from the rest of the positions.

And I do believe that when you always equate value and where you're getting the value, the positional value, all these different things that come into play. But the quarterback spot don't get cute. You could have maybe traded back, got some more picks because they didn't have a second round pick, which was complicating this even further. But you don't, you don't do that and then have the opportunity that maybe the Rams like him and maybe, you know, New Orleans was interested in looking around at the quarterbacks and, you know, maybe they end up snaking him or Seattle, some of the teams that were also quietly looking at quarterbacks. This was the guy that Sean Payton really, really wanted. This is a guy that some people around the league believe is going to be a backup quarterback.

That was his grade, middle of the second round, third round, and he goes 12th overall. But there are some things that some people around the league really, really like. Like the comp that I heard Zach from multiple offensive coordinators actually was Derek Carr. But a more athletic Derek Carr that probably handles pressure in the pocket much better than Carr has in his career. But there's a lot of similarities there in some offensive minds in terms of mechanics, footwork, ability to get the football loose.

I just think, and this was maybe the best way it was described to me. You put Bo Nix in the situation JJ McCarthy's in right now in Minnesota. I think you see a vastly different Bo Nix than the one you're going to see this year. And that's just saying both of those guys probably play very well in McCarthy and Nix with a lot of talent around them. And I think it's a similar thing you could say with maybe like Brock Purdy. It was told to me that you put Bo Nix on the Eagles, on the Niners, maybe the Cowboys.

And you're like, this guy's out here slinging it. Like it's a really good situation. Situation matters. And I think situation matters with the head coaching landed with, which is a big part of this as well. But there's going to be some growing pains because the Broncos roster is just nowhere near where that situation he would be in if say he landed in Minnesota. And that's my problem with it, especially in their division where you can't just have a good quarterback. You got to have a great quarterback with who you're going up against in the best quarterback in the league and Patrick Mahomes. I don't think this guy Bo Nix has a ceiling of being a great quarterback. I think his ceiling just good. And you just said it. I think he's going to play in year one. I think, I think he should be the day one starter.

They don't have really any other quarterback on that roster that moves the needle for me, but the weapons that he's throwing to right now. Yeah. Geez. They stink. Yeah.

That's, that's the issue. I do think he has a better offensive line than maybe some guys that are taken near that portion of the draft as a quarterback. I don't think the Broncos line is terrible and some metrics, however you want to go analytics, they're, they're kind of a top 10 line in some people's minds. His center right now is, is, was his center from college. Like he has some help upfront, but the weapons he has, there's a, there's an athletic tight end and Greg Dulcich that they thought was going to be a playmaker for them.

He's going to run that joker role for, for Sean Payton. When he came in every year, he's been in the league, he's been unable to stay on the field. I think Courtland Sutton had some flashes, right? 10 touchdowns.

I think it was Marvin Mims is going to be the guy sliding into the other spot. Tim Patrick hasn't played in two years coming off of season and injuries. It's, it's not that group that as I mentioned, the Derek Carr comp when teams were talking to me about Bo Nix, it was, remember when Derek Carr had weapons, you kind of were like, he can be dangerous at times, right? He can light it up a little bit.

Bo Nix doesn't have those weapons right now. And I think you're right when you mentioned his ceilings, probably middle of the road. Um, that's kind of what Derek Carr's been his whole career, right? It's like a 15th best quarterback somewhere around that range.

I, that seems what we all envisioned for Bo Nix, but this is kind of a legacy pick for Sean Payton. I really think it is because he has made the comments publicly last night where you don't move back for the guy you really fall in love with. You know, he mentioned Patrick Mahomes in the same sentence. He's not comparing their skill set.

He's just saying you go get the guy you love. And the last guy you fell in love with was Patrick Mahomes. There's a lot on Bo Nix's shoulders right now. This is a team that's been struggling with quarterback play since Peyton Manning retired after the 2015 season. I think the biggest winner from a team standpoint last night, James Palmer. And I know it's easy when you have the number one overall pick, but they all said the ninth pick, it's the bears.

You get Caleb Williams and you got Roma dunes a, but the individual player that I thought was the biggest winner, it's JJ McCarthy. If he would have landed in new England or the giants, I thought it would have been miserable. He goes to Minnesota with, uh, Justin Jefferson with Jordan Addison, uh, Aaron Jones in that backfield. Now you have Hockinson and O'Connell as the coach. I think JJ McCarthy can be good with the Minnesota Vikings right away. It's one of the better quarterback situations that we've seen somebody walk into as a top 10 pick.

I mean, I can't think of somebody going into that type of situation. I've had conversations with Justin Jefferson last season, just about the mind of Kevin O'Connell and about the way other quarterbacks remember that stepped in Josh Dobbs comes in and Kevin's just like telling him plays while he's in the huddle. And they're out there winning football games like to have that type of coach, that type of play caller, the ability to interchange these talented pieces with the line that's in front of them. Like this is a very, very good situation because a lot is not going to be put on JJ McCarthy. And I think that's when we saw him thrive in Michigan, as much as it pains me to say that as a Buckeye, when he thrived in Michigan is when he didn't have to be a hero.

He didn't have to go out there and do what he said to run everything. And he's done a lot of pro type things out of that offense in Michigan. So he's ready in some senses, more than some of these other guys in terms of operating a huddle, puts them a little, you know, head and shoulders up than some of these other guys just getting the process going.

But I think KO calling everything for him and the group he has around him. This is just a phenomenal situation for him. The other team that I would say real quick, you mentioned the bears and their two picks. I think Arizona did very well.

Yeah, I agree. First round as well. Got the best player in the draft. And then you go get Robinson, the edge rusher out of Missouri. That's a team that needs talent. And I think a lot of people forget that Kyler Murray, I don't know if he'll be great, but he showed he could be good before you have a quarterback that you paid and you could do something with. Now you got to go get some players around him. And they did that.

Yeah, this is the best line that I heard yesterday morning. I had an assistant GM text me. I was like, we're just talking about Marvin Harrison Jr. And he was like, you know, I watched some games and I was ooh and ah, and then I saw his measurables and I was like, holy moly, like 220. He's doing this. Are you out of your mind? And I was like, what do you think? He's like, I'm going to tell you this right now. When he walks across the stage tonight, they shouldn't hand him a hat.

They should hand him a bleeping gold jacket. And I was like, that is a line right there. That is a line to describe a player that is not yet played in NFL down, but he went about the process very differently. And I will say this about Marvin that didn't bother a single team. I talked to him preparing for rookie camp, not doing a lot of things into a pro day. They're going to see other players that are as clean of prospects as we had with Marvin Harrison Jr. Do this as well. And my understanding is if you are that caliber of player and there's no questions about your character, your work ethic, or your game, the league is not going to have any problems with guys handling things the way Marvin did, especially if he goes out and wins, say rookie of the year balls out.

And they're like, okay, I want my guy ready for camp. What about the giants? Like what do I make of the Daniel Jones situation?

Okay. They paid him. He's going to be the guy next year. They didn't draft a quarterback. Maybe they take a Spencer Rattler tonight. I've seen that's the rumor you go get Malik neighbors.

That's a big time talent, but what is the future of Daniel Jones with the giants? They really seem to only be interested in Drake May. I was told the JJ McCarthy stuff with them was like a little bit of a smokescreen. And I'm going to say this, I know Brian a little bit, if they've all thought, let's go and visit with JJ McCarthy on Easter to make everybody think that's how in love we are with JJ McCarthy. That is like a tremendous elaborate draft process ruse. I heard they're really only interested in May and that kind of actually played in the part of, of new England going.

Brian dable evaluates quarterbacks pretty well. Uh, he likes may. I think this makes us feel a little bit comfortable. So they don't get the one guy that they really, really want. They stick with Daniel Jones.

You give them an added target. I mean, they've been lacking a threat of a receiver for some time. What I do think helps Daniel Jones and helps this entire team as a, as a whole Zach explosive plays just weren't happening in the NFL last year.

Like they just don't, unless you're the Miami dolphins, I guess they just aren't happening. The way defenses play this Vic Fangio shell system, you know, you mean just take away everything deep, like neighbors can keep, you know, create different explosive plays from anywhere on the field. And I think that is, you know, that's something that, you know, Kansas city went and did with worthy, but neighbors even better at it from more spots. I think that's extremely important when you're a team in the position, like the giants are with a quarterback, like you are with Daniel Jones. If you can sneak a couple of scores out that you probably wouldn't have gotten where he's going to outrun any safety, no matter the angle. And he's going to be able to get you some big scores in moments where drives just end, uh, in a lot quicker fashion than you would have thought. I think that helps out Daniel Jones tremendously, but it is, they looked at quarterbacks and you know, they liked may and he was gone.

So that was essentially it for them. Whether it happens tonight or maybe at some point this off season, well, Brandon, I you can Deebo Samuel both beyond the 49ers come week one, they have the luxury to do it. I just don't see it. And I see there's a, I, the problem is we're doing this now, right? And then the second round is going to start and something's going to happen and I'm going to be wrong.

But my guests right now, as we stand here, there's a greater chance. I Yuke is on the team than there is Deebo Sam. And I think I Yuke is the better wide receiver, but Deebo is the better all around player new outside of new England.

Cause that's what the team everyone's talking about. And I think at new England, they have to go get an established play of the tribe of Calvin Ridley. I guess his girlfriend didn't want to go to Foxborough.

Who were some of the funds? I I've been to Foxborough multiple times. I love it. You know, I've seen a lot of championships there. You know, you go to the red Robin before the game. There's a good steakhouse after the game, you know, over there to Davios 365 days out of the year, Christmas store.

Yeah. Let's go fuck little movie theater. There's a hospital there.

If you got to go to one, there's a hotel that there's enough stuff there. There is me being a Patriot Homer. I will sell Foxborough. I don't, I've spent way too much time in Foxborough, especially during the flake gate.

Yeah. A bunch of bull junk with that commissioner. But anyway, outside of the Patriots, who else could be in play for a Deebo or naive trade? You know, I heard a rumbling about Deebo and maybe Buffalo would be interested because obviously they kept moving back. We always knew at 28, they were going to be looking at receiver and then they go back and then they go back again. And first they go back and everybody in the AFC is just absolutely pissed off at them for going back and letting the chiefs come up and take worthy, which the rest of the AFC is now miserable.

The Patrick Mahomes has. And so they go back again into the second round. There's some talk, maybe Deebo those there, but I don't think that fits at all because they just, they can work middle of the field. They have talent that can do everything kind of in the middle with the, what you saw from Dalton Kincaid, Dawson Knox. They have like three other slots. They need an outside guy.

Like they needed a hook actually. On the outside, I would assume they're going to go with the draft pick. The interesting part about where they could land is there's still a lot of wide receiver talent on the board. Like what I was told was the guests was 14 to 15 wide receivers in the first two rounds.

What do we have in the first round? Was it seven? Is that what we had? I think so.

Yeah, I think so. Like half of it. So there's still definitely definitely players to go out there and, and get on these cheap contracts. I mean, that's a huge part. And I think the difficult part about it is what, what two contracts just got done in the last couple of days and drove the market up even further at the position. So that's why I do think that makes Deebo more attractive than Ayuk because you're going to have to do a new deal. Deebo has till I think 26 on his contract.

So you can get them and not have to rework something right away. Like Ayuk, which you would probably have to. And the deals that just got done, I think complicates that. And the other part is there's not a whole lot of teams that love to trade players during the draft. I mean, there's teams that do it.

Allie Roseman will do it every year. But there's some teams that just won't do it because of everything that goes involved with having to get this done while you're still trying to handle the draft. Last thing I'll ask you, James Palmer, outside of the obvious ones, take the quarterbacks, take the star wide receivers out of it. What was your biggest takeaway from from the first round? I thought everything kind of fell the way I thought it would fall with the number of tackles. I talked to a lot of teams in the back end of the draft and they're trying to figure out the top 15 because 15 is really kind of I would say the average first round grades that were out there around the league. So then mostly the back half is picking second round guys.

I was wondering if there's going to be some movement for tackles, but that didn't really happen. I thought one of the most interesting parts of the first round was Howie Roseman made a boatload of calls. They liked Quinon Mitchell, they thought he was the best corner in the draft. And they were able just to sit there, stay and get their pick of the best corner in the draft in their mind. I thought that was one of the more fascinating spots where it just kept falling that way where they were just going, I guess we'll just we don't have to make a trade for them. And Sirianni knows everything about the kid because his college roommate was Jason Kendall, the coach of Toledo.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, so some people had Wiggins as maybe the most talented corner in the draft. And maybe some people in Philly's building had that. But in terms of the best prospect, the best player, it's Mitchell and they've desperately needed it. And to me, that also was a little bit telling the way things have shifted in Philly just a tiny bit because you and I both know how he wants to go the trenches like crazy. And a lot of people thought he was maybe moving up to add a tackle that could potentially play guard right now and then kick out when Lane Johnson retires. He wants to go trenches all the time in the first round, hasn't picked a first round corner since what like Lido Shepard, I think.

And so I think this changes like Vic Fangio in that group on defense has a little bit of a say in the room about what they need to change and from how bad they were as a secondary last year. He's the great James Palmer. James, thank you so much. Appreciate the time today.

No problem, buddy. Good to see you. There he is. James Palmer joining us. What a comprehensive breakdown that was.

And he's exactly right. When you look at the wide receivers, you had Marvin Harrison Jr., you had Malik neighbors, and you had Roma Dunsey all go in the top 10. We knew that was going to happen. And then after that, you had Brian Thomas Jr. be the next wide receiver off the board, which is puts even more pressure on Trevor Lawrence, Xavier, worthy to the Chiefs. And then the last two picks, you had the Paracel kid from Florida and then Liggett out of South Carolina.

I like him a lot. And I like that story, too, of Carolina based on they were going to pick him. Then he revealed the thing. Canal said, Oh, no, I told it's like 50 guys. And they ended up trading up one pick to end up getting him coming on back.

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