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Enjoy! Alright, it is the Zach Gelb Show. We're talking draft, draft, draft, and more draft after the craziness of last night. That is the craziest first round of an NFL draft that I've ever seen. One of the best NFL draft analysts is Mike Renner, and he's kind enough to join us right now on the Zach Gelb Show. Mike, I know it's a busy time of the year for you, so I appreciate you giving us a few minutes today.

For sure, it's busy, but it's the best time of the year in my opinion. Well, let me start you off with this. I'm gonna actually start you off with Bo Nix, because I would have never believed that Michael Pennix Jr. would have been the pick at eight, but I really would have never believed that Bo Nix would have been the 12th pick of this draft. I know he's going to be working with Sean Payton. We know what his track record is in this league, but what do you think Bo Nix could turn into as an NFL quarterback with the Denver Broncos?

You're probably talking to the biggest Bo Nix fan in the NFL draft media right now. I watched his tape and did the final eval on him back in January after the senior ball, and I was just watching. I was like, this guy is built for Sean Payton's offense. After that, I mocked him to the Broncos I think every single time just because of what he does in that offense at Oregon and obviously what Sean Payton has done for the course of his career with the Saints and now with the Denver Broncos and what they want to do, and it's the quick passing game. He was the best quick passer in this draft class, and I think a lot of people want to pigeon hole him into that, and it's like that he could only do that, but he put up statistically one of the greatest seasons of all time at the collegiate level. He broke the NCAA completion percentage record this past fall, and he didn't do it with first-round wide receivers. He didn't do it with first-round offensive linemen. A lot of it was Bo Nix just being high-level processing in terms of being able to read defenses quickly, get the ball where it needs to go. Now, a lot of that's what Sean Payton's going to ask me to do. It's throw underneath, read the defense, get the ball there on time, and now when things kind of broke down, when he had to get to a second, third read, I think that's when he saw Bo Nix struggle, but he couldn't have gone to a better situation for him, and I think that's why Sean Payton was saying to everyone who would listen to him yesterday yesterday that I was watching the tape, and I was like, this guy's a lot better than these people are letting on, so if he would have gone elsewhere, you know, I might not have been as high on him, but where he went with Denver Broncos, I think he can succeed.

Now, when we talk about succeeding, what does that mean? Because fair or not, he's in a division that for the foreseeable future has Patrick Mahomes standing in his way as a giant roadblock with the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah, I mean, everyone, there's different levels of franchise quarterback, right? And I think if you're the Broncos picking at 12, you were never going to get to the Mahomes level, right? In this quarterback class, no one was going to let you trade up to the top three. Obviously, all three of those teams wanted the guys they got, and I think those were the guys in this class with the real, that kind of ceiling, right? But I do think that quarterbacks on rookie contracts, at least, when you got them for these next four years, and with Bo Nix, with his experience, five years of college football, should hit the ground fairly ready, there shouldn't be this massive transition for him, that you just need to build out the roster around him. And obviously, rosters depleted as well, it may take a few years, but you're three, you're four, when you're not paying him a ton of money, maybe then you can start to compete.

So there are levels to this in terms of like how good his ceiling could possibly be. But it's the first piece, now you put the rest of the pieces around him in Denver. Talking to Mike Renner right now.

Alrighty, let's go back to eight. I was talking Arthur Blank at the Super Bowl. And he said to me, sometimes to find the long term solution, you got to find an interim solution first. I don't really know too many interim solutions that cost you $100 million guaranteed, but now you got Kirk Cousins there and also Michael Pennock Jr. The next day, are you in on this pick of Pennock Jr. at eight?

Or are you out like most people? As a Packers fan, lifelong Packers fan, I really can't criticize the pick, right? This was what the Packers have done twice famously over the last 20 years with Aaron Rodgers and then Jordan Love.

And both times it's worked out. And so if you are Raheem Morris, new head coach, this basically gives you a runway of, we never have to worry about the quarterback position while I'm here. And that's something that if you want long term job security as a head coach, this is your path towards that. Because now you're three, you're four of Kirk Cousins contract, when they obviously, when it starts to, they can get off from under that, maybe his play starts to slip. That's when Michael Pennock Jr. is going to be handling your offense. And there's no like big transition period for him.

He's already mastery. He's been in the system for forever. So I think that's, I see the rationale, but in this class specifically with guys like Roma Dunsey on the board there with guys like Olufashinu on the board there with guys like Dallas Turner, Byron Murphy on the defensive side on the board, they're like, those are darn good prospects that maybe in another class where, you know, when Tyree Wilson went eight last year, I would have maybe gone quarterback then I didn't think he was that great of a prospect to go top 10.

It was just a different class. But in this one specifically, it's just hard for me to see the rationale with how quickly you could have taken over the NFC South drafting one of those guys I just mentioned. If you could give Terry Fontenot a do over today, do you think he would have never issued that contract to Kirk Cousins if he knew that he was going to end up drafting Michael Pennock Jr. at eight?

I don't think so. Honestly, I think this is, I think he believes in it. And this is, I think the coaching staff believes in it too.

I don't think they have any reservations about their process here. So no, I think that they just want as many swings at this quarterback position as they can. And if you're the Falcons and what you've had a quarterback after Matt Ryan, it's hard for me to really be too upset about that for them.

Alrighty, let's get to the Bears. We all knew Caleb Williams is going to be the number one overall pick. I know a lot of people thought Dunsey was going to go there nine. I didn't think he was going to be available, but they get him there with what Williams is walking into with Roma dunes, a Keenan Allen and DJ Moore. I know the bears haven't had a franchise quarterback in like forever, but if they can't make this one work, then this franchise is just curse, right?

Yeah. Somewhere Justin Fields is crying into a pillow because I mean like he's just like, where were any of these guys? He didn't have any of these guys, you know, over the course of his bearish career. And so for Caleb Williams, he doesn't even really have to be, you know, all he's built to be right. Like this is enough talent that, you know, like a Brock Purdy could succeed with it. It's like a, like an average quarterback could be elevated into putting up good numbers with the wide receiver talent. So it's a unique situation and man, what a year to have the number one pick and what they had in this draft class. Ryan Polis, like there was really no sky really is the limit for this team. Maybe not year one, obviously it's a ring quarterback, but if you're not thinking Superbowl year two, year three or four with what they have in this roster, if they're not in that mix, I'd be surprised. Do you think the better quarterback Mike Renner will be Jayden Daniels or Drake May when it's all said and done? I think it's Drake May. I trend towards youth at the quarterback position in terms of like when a guy figured it out.

I figured it out. I think we saw, you know, with Kenny Pickett, how, when a guy really, after a lot of years of starting starts to figure it out, that it can be fool's gold to a degree and just not say fool's gold. I think Jay Daniels can be a darn good quarterback, but I just think May has special ability. You know, what he did as a red shirt freshman at North Carolina was high-end stuff. And I think his NFL readiness is being undersold a little bit because I flip on his tape versus Jayden Daniels tape. And, you know, Daniels has two first round wide receivers.

He might have two first round offensive tackles going next year. And he could just kind of facilitate and just put it in their hands. And they made the plays. If Drake May wanted to win games, it was on his arm. He had to make the plays himself.

He had to put it to perfect spots for his guys to then create. So that's all, give me that all day, every day, because of the NFL level, that's what wins. Facilitating can only get you so far, especially when you're going to play behind the kind of offensive line Daniels is about to get subjected to. So yeah, May has no talent around him as well, but I think I'll just lean towards the youth guys starting to develop more than Daniels at his age.

Do you buy the IU? Do you buy the Deebo Samuel rumors with the Patriots who have the second pick in the second round tonight? I do because for the 49ers, it's just untenable, right? You can't pay all those guys. They're going to have like highest paid, like top three wide receiver, top three edge, top three off ball linebacker. They're going to have to pay pretty here in a couple of years, like the cap situation at some point becomes such that one of them has to be moved. And then they just after a wide receiver in the first round, who with Kyle Shanahan's offense, he won't see the field otherwise, if they keep those two guys there. So yeah, I'm buying that one of those guys gets moved tonight. Mike Brenner, who was the pick last night? Like not at all, like Marvin Harrison Jr. Okay. I think he's the best player in the draft, him going for the Cardinals.

I absolutely love it. But who was the player in the draft last night that you were like, where he went to the fit? Let's say it's not a quarterback that that was one that really impressed if you want to give me a name or two.

I'll give it to that. I really liked Byron Murphy to the Seattle Seahawks. I had him as top 10 player. I had him as the best defensive player. I thought his upward trajectory towards the end of the season is exactly what I want to buy into. And then obviously like his combine was off the charts for a 300 pounder who can play anywhere along the defensive line.

He showed at Texas. So the Seahawks get him at 16 when it's like, that's exactly what Mike McDonald wanted for his defense. You know, he wanted his Justin Matabuki there in the middle.

That was an awesome fit. And then Terry on Arnold to the lions. You know, if you mock Terry on Arnold to the lions in the last month, no one would have said you're crazy.

They fall on that bar, right? All of a sudden, and they get to jump the Packers to do so, you know, the Packers would have ran that card in at 25, I think to get a guy like Terry on Arnold. So kind of the one piece, they had one need at corner on this lion's team, but that was kind of built and had no real holes after free agency and the work they've done this off season. The one thing they needed was a guy who a lot of people has an M1 cornerback in this draft class, get them all the way at 24. I thought that was a great thing.

I like what the Vikings did. I know they had trade up the one spot, but I thought if McCarthy's going to succeed, he needed to go to the Vikings compared to the giants or the Patriots, but then to also get Dallas Turner too. I would have never thought, I know no defensive player went until pick 15, but I would never thought Dallas Turner would have been available at 17.

Yeah. The Turner fit. I couldn't believe to now have him and Grinnard and everyone talks about them losing to Neil Hunter. Their pass rush might be better this year. Now that they have two guys that can actually get after the quarterback because Dallas Turner, you know, in a weaker class, I keep raving about how good the top of this class was, but you know, you go back two years ago when Trayvon Walker in Hutchinson go one and two, he's probably top three pick in that draft, Dallas Turner. That's the kind of talent we're talking about as a guy who could have gone top five.

It's just such a stacked class. So for them to get them at 17 and yeah, they gave up a little bit in the trade, but they didn't have to give up any future first rounders to get a prime time pass rusher and a prime time quarterback. The two most valuable positions from a cap perspective in the NFL.

I think that's a great move from Plessy. Who's the wide receiver Buffalo's taken tonight with the first pick of the second round. I keep saying Adnai Mitchell, the Texas wide receiver to them.

If there's any guy left on the board that I could see being a number one, and that's what they need, right? You know, they got the ancillary piece in Curtis Samuel. They got the tight ends there. They need the stud number one type of wide receiver.

He has those kinds of tools. So that's who I think they were fine trading back for, because I think he's off a lot of teams boards because of some of the off-field stuff that he has that he's going through. But for the Buffalo Bills, this dealt with Stefan Diggs for a while.

I think they're fine with some off-field issues there. And the guy who maybe have some locker room concerns. So yeah, I think Adnai Mitchell is the guy that I'm looking for if I'm the Buffalo Bills. I only got 45 to 60 seconds left, Mike Renner.

Just give me a few names to monitor early tonight after that. Yeah, I love him and I love Jackson Powers Johnson, the Oregon center. I couldn't believe he didn't go in the first round. He had some of the best tape I've seen from a center in recent years. And then I'll also throw in the corners. Cooper Dejean, Kool-Aid McKinstry, first round grades on both those guys.

They should go early. He's Mike Renner. Mike, I love the coverage last night with Lefkoe and Parsons and CJ Stroud. It was good to see you obviously on there. Your coverage is always great. Appreciate you jumping on board with us for a few minutes today. For sure, Zach. Thanks for having me on.

There you go. He is Mike Renner, one of the best NFL draft analysts in the country, breaking down all these prospects and all the craziness from what was round one last night. That saw six quarterbacks go in the first 12 picks. No defensive player until pick number 15. And when stuff like that happens early picks tonight in the second round, you're going to have a lot of guys that you're looking at that said, wow, I can't believe that guy was there. And I can't believe that that guy wasn't a first round pick. And even started to see it last night when we talked about some of those players, like a Byron Murphy out of Texas, being there at 16 to Seattle, Dallas Turner being there at 17 to the Minnesota Vikings. Quinon Mitchell, 22 to the Philadelphia Eagles. He was rising as a top 15 pick. Tarion Arnold, 24 to the Detroit Lions. Darius Robinson, 27 out of Missouri to the Cardinals.

Just a few of those names as well. OK, we're coming on back. We got some more NFL draft reaction for you. T-Mobile has invested billions to light up America's largest 5G network from big cities to small towns, including right here in yours. And great coverage is just the beginning. Right now, families and small businesses can save up to 20 percent versus AT&T and Verizon when they switch. Visit your local T-Mobile store today. Plan savings with three lines of T-Mobile essentials versus comparable available plans.

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