Eagles Drama (Hour 3)

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This may be my favorite one though. So we'll play the Craig Carden sound from FS1 in just a second. He says there's a secret reason why the Eagles fell apart. He didn't really say what the reason was, and I love Craig. Craig obviously used to be a co-worker of ours, but there was some things that you could just assume when you hear the way that Craig says it. But Craig, even though he worked in Philadelphia radio for a bit, and, you know, now he works for FS1, he's not plugged in on a daily basis with the Philadelphia sports scene. So we'll play that audio in just a second, but the thing that I'm laughing at right now is Derek Gunn. And Derek Gunn is a long time Philadelphia Eagles reporter. The dude is one of the classiest people you'll ever meet.

He is actually a tremendous chef, and he posts videos all the time using the smoker and barbecue and things as well. But Derek Gunn just tweeted this out. And I know with the Eagles, everyone's still trying to figure out why they collapsed and why they failed, because this team was 10 and 1. And when you're 10 and 1, and you win one lousy stinking game down the stretch, you know, everyone's saying, what happened to this team that was in the Super Bowl last year? And what happened to this team that looked like they were going to go back to the Super Bowl, and they can't even beat the Buccaneers in the first round? They lose to the Giants at the end of the season, and you had two close games with the Giants. On the second one wasn't even close, the Giants blew them out. So there were many moments, the Cardinals that beat them too, with Jonathan Gannon. And that was some money I won this NFL season, because the spread was 12, 12 and a half.

Come on. Jonathan Gannon knows the Eagles. They should have never been a 12, 12 and a half point underdog.

I didn't think they were going to win the game outright, but I did hammer that plus 12, 12 and a half line. So here is Gunner Derek Gunn. According to sources, Jalen Hurts' big contract pulled in numerous directions on and off the field, put him under a lot of pressure. He didn't handle well.

Here is the line, though, that I find this funny. Big Dom suspended. He controls Sirianni's emotions on the sidelines in his absence. Nick gets in numerous arguments with players and coaches during the games.

Is this what we're really doing right now? And this just makes my antenna go up even more, that something else happened. So the first part about this tweet is according to sources, Jalen's big contract pulled in numerous directions on and off the field, put him in, put him under a lot of pressure. He didn't handle well. Okay, so Jalen Hurts, right? You just outperform Holmes in the Super Bowl. You didn't win the game, but you played better than him. You were the best player on the field in that Super Bowl.

You got the big contract. I can't remember, though, Jalen Hurts doing a lot of endorsements. I don't remember a lot of national endorsements for Jalen Hurts, so maybe it was a lot that were local. But you have this responsibility where for so many years, it seemed like Jalen Hurts, and this is the part that I don't like. Jalen Hurts up until last year was, he ignores the noise, rat poison, all that stuff. He's all ball.

He doesn't get caught up in really being a star like how other people do. But is that the reason why this team failed down the stretch? They started 10 and 1. By 10 and 1, he wasn't able to figure out the numerous directions he was being pulled in on and off the field.

And how did it impact on the field? Did he not connect with his teammates? And I will say that I've said this before, Jalen Hurts doesn't usually show a lot of emotion publicly. Like, I asked him the first question after he punched a ticket to a Super Bowl, and he basically treated it as if it was any other game and gave you like a five second answer. But just because that's the way that you publicly portray yourself, that doesn't mean that's necessarily the way that you portray yourself in the locker room. So him getting pulled in numerous directions on and off the field and being put under a lot of precedent and handle well, I don't know if I necessarily believe that. Now, I'm not saying Derek Gunn's not being told these things, but I wonder who the source is. And I don't know how much I buy that's the reason why the Philadelphia Eagles failed.

Now, here's the second part. Samter, you've seen a lot of BS in your career, and I wish teams would just own their incompetence and just own their failures instead of just using people as excuses. So Big Dom gets into it, pretty sure it was a Dre Greenlaw of the 49ers, and they had that whole kerfuffle, if we could use the word kerfuffle, I'm always going to use that word if you can't tell. No, I think you're going to have to dump that one. That's a bad one.

Okay. But they get into that kerfuffle, and then Big Dom gets suspended from the sidelines and until the playoff game when he was allowed back on the sidelines. So Derek Gunn, according to a source, was told that Big Dom being suspended was a big factor because he controls Sirianni's emotions on the sideline in his absence.

Nick gets in numerous arguments of players and coaches during the games. I know the inner workings of the Eagles. I know Big Dom to people in that facility. He's more than just like the director of team security. He knows where all the bodies are buried.

He has all the secrets. He's a big player in the organization, but you're telling me he gets suspended, and that's why the Eagles crapped the bed down the stretch because Nick Sirianni couldn't keep his emotions in check without Big Dom. Big Dom couldn't keep Sirianni's emotions in check anymore, and that's why your team sucked down the stretch. Does that just sound as ridiculous as it does to me that that's the excuse being used?

It sounds ridiculous, however, being around situations where one domino falls and it could set off a cascade of other dominoes. And the house burns down. Like for example, we saw like AJ Brown seemed to be discontented, and he had to have that whole press conference just to talk about how he wasn't, but clearly he had something going on. Maybe, you know, first game, Sirianni says something to AJ Brown. AJ Brown flips out and then says something to Jalen Hurts. Now the locker room is fractured. Now they get into a fight at practice.

Who knows if that was, I'm not saying that that was the reason, but that may have been the first of many dominoes that fell that may have led to a larger, wider, more expounded kind of conflict among the team. Now I will say, but it does sound like BS if you just really want to ask the question. Yeah. Okay.

Thank you. I wanted to make sure that you were still sane in some capacity. I know you tried to just find some way to justify something that was out there.

I totally get what you were doing. And I understand what your percentage, I would say it's like 5% likely that that was a factor. I'm just making sure that everything that you're a sane individual still, and you don't just believe everything that you get told. And I'm happy that that's the case. I do get believed everything I'm told that is for sure. True.

Gotcha. But going off of that, I do remember two instances that were out of character for two people. And one of these people I know very well, and the other one I have great respect for the one I have great respect for is Devante Smith. He seems as level-headed as level-headed is, and he's been in a big stage. He's been in big moments before, right? He's won a Heisman. He caught a walk-off touchdown pass in the national championship game to a tongue by Loa to Devante Smith up against Georgia. We've seen what he's been able to do, skinny Batman, as they call him, in the NFL so far. He got into it with the coaching staff.

That's uncharacteristic of him. Now, Hassan Riddick, I personally know. I knew Hassan Riddick when he was a walk-on at Temple.

I got him his first autograph deal when he became professional. I don't usually see Hassan Riddick going at it with the coaches, and even he was going at it with the coaches. And both of that happened in a win the first time they did go up against the Giants. So maybe Big Dom played a factor, but you can't tell me that's why the team collapsed. And the reason why you can't say it is because your head football coach, who really doesn't do much, he doesn't call the plays on offense.

He's not a defensive-minded head coach. He had to keep that locker room in order. So you lose Big Dom, who is the director of team security, and he counts all the players as they walk into the locker room before they do the big speeches.

I've seen it 9,000 times before. He picks the players up from the airport. If anything ever happens, Big Dom is right there, helps the players out. You're telling me, basically, the team babysitter, he gets suspended and can't be on the sideline during game day? So the coach can't even keep his locker room and his sideline in order? And that's all he's asked to do?

If anything, you know what, Sam, I actually hope the Big Dom report is true. You want to know why? Because it just shows how in over his head, even with going to the playoffs three years and having this team in a Super Bowl a year ago, how in over his head Nick Sirianni has got it. And it's amazing that they've been able to have success to some levels with them as the head coach. But if this is now what we're doing, that your quarterback, because he's getting pulled in different directions, couldn't connect with the team anymore. And since the director of team security got pulled away because of something happened on your sideline, you can't keep order on your sideline? I'll ask what he was asked at his press conference when they brought back Sirianni.

Well, then what the heck do you do? What does Nick Sirianni do? You have Belichick out there.

You have Vrabel out there. You have Pete Carroll out there. All three of those guys right now would be better equipped to manage an NFL team in twenty twenty four. The Nick Sirianni here is Craig Cardin on the Cardin show. He says there's a secret reason why the Eagles fell apart this year.

Ooh. What do you know about what happened last season? Why won't you tell? I can tell you that it is a problem that would splinter any group of men. It is a real significant problem. Yeah, I know. It cannot be fixed. Women. Oh, I'm not going to say any more than that.

But it's women. I know what the problem was. I know they're trying to fix it.

I don't think it can be fixed. So it would be very interesting to see if a high profile player is no longer with the Eagles going into this season. So that was my first assumption, too. Did someone sleep with someone's girl?

Now, the other thing that would be something that would ruin a relationship with men is let's say it's something financial. And I'll just now I know the Cardin report came first, but now with the whole Derek Gunn report, where he said that he was getting Jaylen Hurts getting pulled in many different directions, maybe something happened financially with Jaylen Hurts and another player. Maybe Jaylen Hurts was to go somewhere. The other player would make money off it. And Jaylen Hurts bailed because he got pulled in a different direction.

Maybe that's what it was. But either way, none of this should derail a football season. Now, you're sleeping with someone else's girl that could derail a football season if it's a quarterback in the star wide receiver. But this is ugly for the Eagles. And I know there's not a lot to talk about this time of year.

And that's when sometimes these stories come out. But we still don't know why this team crapped the bed down the stretch. And I don't think the Eagles are going to be able to recover from it. Like they may make the playoffs next year. You know, they could win a division next year.

But I don't think we're gonna look at the Eagles and say, OK, they're back to Super Bowl contending form. I was reading Daniel Jeremiah's latest mock draft that he released right before the combine. Caleb Williams, number one overall pick. No surprise. Drake May, number two overall pick. No surprise.

The third pick is not a quarterback. I'll get to that in just a second. But before we do that, let's just circle back because I want to play.

I forgot to do this. This is Adam Schefter on the John Kincaid show in ninety seven five. The fanatic responding. We'll give you the other side of this to the Craig Carter report that we just played for you. I don't even know if the National Enquirer would write something like that. And by the way, I texted somebody in the organization yesterday.

I'm like, what is this? And the and the text back the quote was none of that S word happened. None of that S happened. And that's what qualifies, you know, for you to go say whatever you want.

And it gets clicks and people hear about it. Was somebody with another player's woman or so? I don't know. Who knows? Who knows? I'm just telling you that somebody in the organization, you know, it's pretty adamant yesterday.

None of that happened. Was somebody sleeping with somebody else's woman? Maybe.

I don't know. So, of course, the Eagles are going to deny this stuff. I'm not saying that that means. It didn't happen, but even if it didn't happen, or even if it did happen with the Eagles ever admitted, no, they wouldn't. So the thing that called me was Schefter being like, did it happen? Maybe that was because it seemed like he was denying it the whole way. And then at the end it was, did someone sleep with someone's woman? That's a pretty big nugget to drop. Maybe he didn't like totally rule it out, did not rule it out.

But the source told him none of that S happened, but the source clearly has an agenda. Oh, it's with the team, obviously, of course. So, geez, this Eagles off season. I don't know if there's anything that they could do that would make people buy back in on this team. Like the only thing that I think would get the Eagle fan excited, and I don't even know if this would be a smart decision because he's injury prone, is if they plucked Saquon Barkley from the Giants. Because Saquon's not going to be back with the Giants.

I would be shocked. Maybe the Cowboys try to do the same. Maybe the Eagles do the same as well. I think that may be the only thing that would bring genuine excitement to this organization because, and this fan base, because they don't need a wide receiver, assuming AJ Brown's on the team. You have AJ Brown and you have Devontae Smith. That feels like the big question mark for me.

I think he's going to be on the team next year. I do. But, and listen, we don't know what really happened. We don't know if it was a plethora of things or if it was a singular thing, but it did feel like as the season was coming to a close, that a lot of the attention was on something going on with AJ Brown. You know what? Maybe just discontent, maybe it was something else. I don't know. But if he's gone, I wouldn't be shocked.

It felt to me that towards the end, that was kind of him saying goodbye. Now you could go down the cesspool and the rabbit hole that is Reddit. Like there's a, there's some thread out there that claims that my net worth is $4 million a year.

And then there's some other sites. It's not even close. You're at least triple that. And then there's some other site that says I make like $30,000 a year. So neither are true. No, that's way too low.

All I'll say is way too low, way too high. But remember this past the summer, there was some speculation about maybe something similar going on with Stefan Diggs and Josh Allen. It seems like this is just the in-season story of what the Bills were in the off season playing out with the Philadelphia Eagles.

And no one has any clue why Stefan Diggs was so mad last off season and why AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts are so mad during this season. Look what happened with the Bills though. They played poorly. Then they got back to a spot of competence and they almost beat the cheese, but they didn't get the job done.

So like for the Eagles next year, I think there's going to be a lot of up and down where they're at one time be a good team and you can look at them as a solid team, but I don't think they're going to win a Super Bowl or be in the Super Bowl next year. By the way, and Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft, we'll take a break. But it's Caleb Williams won, Drake made two. He had Marvin Harrison Jr. going three. So the Pats passing on a quarterback, taking Marvin Harrison Jr., which I'd be fine with. Then he had Malik Nabors going four to the Cardinals, Joe Alt going five to the Chargers, Jayden Daniels landing in the Big Apple with the New York Football Giants. We'll react more to that coming up in a few moments.

He also had J.J. McCarthy in at number eight to the Atlanta Falcons. Bears end up getting a wide receiver, Roma Dunze in at number nine. So how about that? There's some nuggets there. We react towards it, about it towards the end of the show. But when we come on back, it is Winkler Wednesdays. The commissioner of the NHL, since he's supposed to join us at 5 p.m. Eastern and he had changed a little schedule change at 4.20 p.m. Eastern, we said to Bart, hey, can we bump you till 5.20 p.m. Eastern? When Samta first told Bart about this, he was like, well, who am I getting bumped for? And then we told him it was Gary Bettman and Bart was like, OK, I can understand on that one. So I'm glad that we've been able to continue to have a good relationship with at least the host of the Bart Winkler show on CBS Sports Radio, the great Bart Winkler.

He will join us on a Winkler Wednesday on the other side. It's a battle for CBS Sports Radio sack, lethargic, putrid, pathetic quitters. They're quitters. What a joke, Bart. Something fun to talk about. That's what we do here. It's like, hey, guys, it's like we're just hanging out at a bar talking sports. It's time for Winkler Wednesday, only on the Zack Geld show.

That's right. Winkler Wednesday right here on the Zack Geld show on CBS Sports Radio. And I appreciate one of my favorite people in this business, the great Bart Winkler for being flexible today.

I know he doesn't look flexible, but Samta asked if we could move him back a little bit because we had the commissioner coming on, Gary Bettman at 4.20 p.m. Eastern. And Bart said, I'm a company guy and I always will do what's best for the company. And Bart said I could do 5.20 p.m. Eastern. So thank you, Bart. Yeah, I like that you're like people care like anyone, like anyone tuned in 40 minutes ago, I was like, it's Winkler Wednesday. No one cares, but I'm happy to do it. I actually got four DMS and I had people cursing me out saying I'll never be allowed back at a fourth base ever again.

And I'll never be able to get steak at Carnivore because I pushed back Winkler Wednesday by like 40 minutes or something like that. You know, and if we're going to do some behind the scenes kind of chatter here, I also want to tell you that when you text me each Wednesday about what to talk about, I don't read. I just hit thumbs up. I don't care what you ask me. Oh, that's good. So maybe I'll just start sending you like pictures of Samta and Stu, you know, because they're all I would prefer that.

I would like that better. OK, you got it here with us. What did you pregame this segment?

Just wondering. Did I pregame? Yes, I did. Yeah, whiskey. No, I had nature's endorphins. I went for a walk. So puff puff pass is what you're telling me.

No, no, no, no, no. I got to work tonight. Gotcha. I don't think that's ever stopped you before. Like, let's be real. You went to a a night of celebration after the Bucks won the finals. And I've seen the photos of you shirtless drunk as a skunk and in a few hours of sleep before you did a radio show.

Yeah, I did celebrate after the Bucks won a title and then had to do a morning show the next day at 6 a.m. No, I think we went on at 5 a.m. But actually, that's different because that just shows I'm one of the people. Yeah, that is true. You are. You're a man's man. You're an every day. If I drink before a national show, then I'm just a drunk.

Yeah, that's true. There used to be a saying around here called a hard hat guy. You are the definition of a hard hat guy here at CBS Sports Radio. Bart Winkler here with us. What's been your reaction to this Doc Rivers, JJ Reddick, now Austin Rivers, Pat Bev beef?

Because this one, I have a take on it, but let me hear yours first. Well, I'll tell you, too, as a noted Bucks fan that I am when they traded for Damian Lillard, I thought, wow, this is going to be such a fun season because when they won the title a couple of years ago and then it was kind of just going through the motions the next two years. OK, get to the playoffs and then see what happens. And there's been injuries and they've you know, they have not met expectations. So I thought that this year would be another year like that where, OK, they'll win for every five games.

They'll make the playoffs and then that's when the season will start. But they trade for Dame and it's super exciting. This has turned out to be maybe the most excruciating year as a Bucks fan in a long time. And we've we've had 15 win seasons like every other year for a while.

But there's just so much weird drama. And then our fans, I'm telling you, if there's anybody that loves the Bucks, it's me. But if there's anybody that hates Bucks fans, it's also me. These people, for the most part, are children that do not remember when the Bucks were bad. Like if you started rooting for the Bucks after Giannis got here, don't associate yourself with me. I don't want to hear from you.

You don't understand how bad it used to be. So every time like, oh, there was a tick tock and Damian Lillard didn't say Giannis was a top five. Oh, and now you've got all this Doc stuff. And the Doc stuff, I think, is the worst of it all because it's all unforced errors.

Well, here's the other stuff. He seems like. I know he doesn't take accountability. That's fine in saying that J.J. Redick saying that is fine. J.J. will never those slam James Harden or he'll never slam Paul George, who threw Doc under the bus and didn't take accountability for their shortcomings in Philadelphia and then also in Los Angeles. But the thing with the whole Doc Rivers thing that would make me crazy if I were a Bucks fan is that he just openly said to Sirius XM, oh, well, when they called me and told me they wanted to make me the new head coach of the team, I was like, why?

Why would you do this in season? Like, why would you admit that? We've already are past the point where people don't like your hiring.

And now it seems like he's panicking because it hasn't got off to a good start and people are just trashing him nationally and locally. Well, I actually related to that because when they offered me the late night gig, I was like, why are you calling me? What? Why are you making this massive mistake?

Yeah, yeah. But with Doc, it's all like he is saying this stuff that he doesn't need to say. Why are you saying any of this?

He is volunteering this information. Yeah, you had a road trip and it was hard and you're trying to get used. Like if you're three and seven with a new team, no matter who's on the team, you're going to be people are going to say, OK, they're getting their legs under them. No big deal. But he's coming out saying, why am I here?

What do you want me for? This is really hard. Like Doc Rivers, Doc Rivers has been in the game for a long time and he's an easy target because he's been in the game for a long time. A lot of well-known failures. So for him to then volunteer this information, it's just it's really weird. It's like there's already a target and there's already a bullseye. And he's just he's being like, did everybody get their shot? Did you get your shot at me here? I'll tell you something that makes me even look worse.

And then you can it just doesn't make any sense. He is the head coach of a team with Damon Yanas. What are you complaining about? So now back to the JJ part, I thought JJ and I can't stand JJ Redick. I thought he initially won. But then today he just totally ruined it where he's like, oh, I'll go break down basketball things and it will only get 54000 views on YouTube. But then I come and say on ESPN's first take, right, the number one show, something about Doc Rivers slamming him.

And I can't believe how many more views it did. Like, no crap. But my problem with JJ Redick, I just think he's the definition of pretentious. And he just comes off as I'm above the fans and I'm greater than the fans.

And I talk a different language because I played a game. He just annoys me. And can he please can he get on first take one time and can he just smile? Like, you don't need the money. You don't need to be doing this.

Just smile one time. He looks so angry. I can't stand the dude. And now the fact that Doc Rivers is coaching the Bucks, it means he's going to be in the broadcast booth with Mike Breen for all the big playoff games in the NBA Finals.

And I'm going to want to just punch my TV set because JJ Redick's going to be on it. He is benefiting from this. That's what he is, Bart.

He's a douche. Well, I won't I won't go that far. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to make any enemies other than I've already made.

I've made enough. JJ Redick already hates you. You don't even know it. I don't know.

You're probably right. He hated his time in Milwaukee. He was in Milwaukee for like six weeks and it was like the worst time in his life because all all these people come to Milwaukee and they just like, yeah, Milwaukee sucks if you're a pro basketball player and you live in your hotel and never explore the city. It's the month of February where it's cold. But also newsflash, winter's already over in Milwaukee. It's 60 degrees today.

Oh, is it really? Yeah, Milwaukee's like the Great Lakes region. Yeah, once climate change, now that climate change is here and has completely changed everybody's weather patterns, Milwaukee's like a place to be. It's going to be 70 next week. See you next week. Now, how about that? I'm going to Orlando tomorrow.

It's not supposed to be 70. So maybe I should have made the vacation spot to Milwaukee. Bart Winkler here with us.

Wrap it up Winkler Wednesday. So the college football playoff, they finalized the format where we knew it was going to 12. Now with the PAC 12 basically going away, it's going to be five automatic bids to the highest ranked conference champs and then the other seven will make up the 12 team college football playoff. You have the incompetent Big Ten commissioner Tony Petitti, according to Dennis Dodd, he's going to be advocating to eventually move this to 16 because I think this only guaranteed the 12 team format for two years and then maybe it will expand after that. I hate going to 12 and I hate going to 16 eventually even more. Where are you at with the college football playoff expansion? You're running college football.

What would you have expanded it to? I like 12. I think 12.

I want to see a year of 12. I think it is going to make the regular season better, which is the main complaint from a lot of people because when you have four teams, every regular season game matters, right? But not really. The game that I keep thinking of, it was like week 10 or 11 of the college football season this year and it was that CBS 330. They're the big game, the big SEC game, right? And it was a big game. No one cared about it.

It was number 12, Missouri and number 13, Tennessee. Nobody cared. Those kinds of games will have more importance under this new format. Yeah, but here's the, 12 is too much because I think it does water down the regular season. Like what you're saying, I totally disagree.

And this is like you, everybody that thinks that way, I'm telling you, come back in a year and you will like it. I promise. What, what about six? What about eight? I thought that like, I understand if we had to expand this, but to go from four to 12 is too drastic of a jump. And then we're already talking about two years from now, this being 16, that just seems like too much too much now, like Michigan and Ohio state that, you know, I know that always means something, but when it's winning, you're in, that's awesome. So if you get to six or eight, there's still some insurance. I just think it gives too much insurance where, you know, a team like Penn state who had no right being in the playoff this year would have got in the playoff if they had this new format a season ago. Well, you're going to play for a buy in that game.

I know everyone likes to bring up that game, but you'll be playing for a buy. I agree 16 is too much. I think four was too little, which the dumbest thing that college football ever did was have five power conferences get together and say, you know, four is good. Can you guys not count? You're going to, you're going to miss one of your, your conferences every year.

That was stupid. But I do think like, I think this will be better. I think the buy part of it is going to be good. Also conference championship weekends are going to mean more because I'm telling you, I think the ACC and big 12 might be one bid leagues. I think a lot of these at larges are coming from the big 10 and then the big or the sec. Look at the big 10 Michigan this year has Texas USC, Ohio state and Oregon all on their schedule. Like are they going to, are they even going to make the play out? But if they go nine and three, they'll get an at large bid over a 11 and one, like the four loss, big 10 sec team against like the two loss ACC big 12 team is going to be the argument. And then this Dennis Dodd article, they already talked about how we all know that even though there's four power conferences, the two people that are sitting at the head of the table in the same seat are the sec and the big 10. And they're going to want automatic bids in the future, like automatic spots, not just, oh, the conference champion gets in. So yeah, in all likelihood, they won't, they won't need a big 10 sec.

They won't need those. It'll already be heavily weighted to the big 10 and sec. I think that this year is going to be enjoyable, whether it's the perfect way to do it.

You know, we can debate about that, but I don't like that. They're already thinking of ways to change it when we haven't even seen what this is. So I would, I would implore everybody give this year a shot.

I'm very much looking forward to it. And that's why six or eight would have been better because you know, they're greedy, you know, money's always going to win. And when you go from the drastic jump of four to 12, they're just going to keep on expanding, expanding this thing.

And I just would have liked to have hold off a little bit on the crazy numbers that we're talking about. But then still there's 133 teams. There's only still like 5% of the teams making it. Yeah. But so many of these teams don't matter.

Like, and I understand people who say, but that's my point. Like I went to temple university. I was at temple when they had their best, like three or four stretch for college football. When they won their conference, they didn't get a new year six invite because there was another school that was better. Like years later now in the NIL era, if you're not in the four best conferences, like you really don't have that much of a leg to stand on outside of Notre Dame or you end up being one of these schools, like a Cincinnati that, that finally gets into the system or, or something like that.

So I think there's so many schools that are participating that they're kind of, unfortunately, I hate to say this because my Alma mater, it's like, it feels like they're a waste of a program now in this new name image and likeness and transfer portal era, because you can't really develop talent anymore because the moment you develop someone that looks like they're going to be good, they hit the transfer portal and they get paid a tremendous amount of money. What do you think the new PAC 12 commissioner is going to do day to day? She's going to sit in her office and play solitaire. Like what kind of job is that? You're managing like basically two schools. It was like you, when you didn't have a job until they brought you back here at CBS sports, right? She's going to start a podcast from her basement with the piano in the background.

What happened to the piano bar? Oh, I just sell it. I had, we were on tough times. Okay. You got it. Here he is.

Bart Winkler right there. Make sure you catch him tonight. 10 PM to 2 AM Eastern. And you're filling in for me on Friday, right? Right here on the show, right?

I get that information, correct? Hey, news to me, but I'll be there. Okay.

Maybe you should text your, check your text messages once in a while and actually read them. So there he is. Bart Winkler. Winkler Wednesday's always fun here on CBS sports radio. And there is someone that cared that we moved the time back of Bart. E. Mueller on Twitter tweeted to me.

I cared. Bart Winkler show at Zach Gill. We'll come on back. We'll do a little mock draft from Daniel Jeremiah. And we'll also play you something from Kevin Durant, which I just find funny. Update time first here is Rich Ackerman.

It's time to answer, ask the pros question of the day. And it's brought to you by O'Reilly auto parts, Chris in Alabama. You know what? Can we change this guy's name? I'm going to change his name.

Let's just go Chuck at Alabama. Do you think Kevin Durant is a leader? The reason why I wanted to change that to Chuck is because the great Charles Barkley once said that Kevin Durant is the passenger on the bus. He's a bus rider, not a bus driver. You could submit a question by tweeting at CBS sports radio ad sec using the hashtag ask the pros.

You can think O'Reilly auto parts while your car care needs get guaranteed low prices and excellent customer service from the professional parts people at O'Reilly auto parts. Let me play you, Kevin Durant on the boardroom slash bleacher report when asked if he is a leader. Why do you think people in the media think you're not a good leader? I'm not as charismatic as my peers. I don't have a personality that's like fit for TV and a lot of those stories of what we talk about don't get spoken about in the media. You got to sell what you're doing as well.

And I haven't sold it enough. I don't feel like I need to. I don't feel like I want people to call me a leader, but I also don't want people to say I'm not one either because they don't see what goes on behind the scenes or what I talk about on my attentions. But when guys like that say that, I just got to chalk it up to them just not being a leader. I don't feel like I'm a leader. I don't being aware, push a narrative for myself, expose the truth for how great of a leader I am. I don't feel like it's necessary.

I'll just chalk it up to those guys not being aware of who I am. It's like it's almost as if it's a greater power of thinking. Like we can't be aware that Kevin Durant isn't a leader. And how dare we say that the guy isn't a leader.

All right. In OKC, you could say he was a leader. Then he made the decision. He wanted to be a villain. I was fine with it.

I didn't freak out like others. He had that right. He goes to Golden State.

But then he was sensitive to the criticism. So he says, I want to be the leader in Brooklyn. He picked Kyrie Irving. Real leadership would have been saying to Kyrie Irving, you're rooting what we're doing here.

He didn't have the guts to do that. And then he demanded a trade and eventually through time got traded to the Suns, who the Suns don't appear to be like they're going to be a great team this year with how it's playing out. Like, I don't see you could be a great player and not be a great leader. Kevin Durant is an all time great player. But there's no way that you could say he's a great leader. Because if he was a great leader, he would have found a way to rectify the situation between James Harden and Kyrie Irving.

He couldn't. And James Harden, say what you want about it. I've been extremely critical of James Harden. He was actually right to get out of there because he knew Kyrie Irving wasn't going to work. That was the moment where Kevin Durant needed to say to Kyrie, we're going to pick James over you.

So you either get along with James or you're going to get traded from this team. But when he has run the team and he ran the team in Brooklyn, they were an unmitigated disaster. Outside of his foot, which he had great toughness, outside of his foot being on the line, which prevented the three pointer, made it a two pointer outside of that little run. There was nothing ever positive and ended up losing that series anyway. But there was nothing positive really with Kevin Durant with the Brooklyn Nets. Santa, can you say that Kevin Durant's a good leader? Like great player, but I can't call this guy a good leader.

I mean, on the outside looking in, you're right. No, it doesn't seem like he's a good leader. However, guys lead in different ways, right? There are vocal leaders, there are leaders on the court, and then there's just like leaders who just kind of like, they know how their locker room behaves and they just work the locker room the right way. He's been on winning teams, he's been on winning teams, he's been on championship teams. Obviously, the Warriors were a set roster before he got there, but I mean, the Thunder were good when they were young. He's always had winning teams. There's always seems to be like an injury or some other issue, but like, how easy to be a leader when Kyrie Irving's on your team. But here's the thing, who picked Kyrie Irving?

It was him. But that doesn't diminish him being a leader. It just kind of diminishes his decision-making ability as far as like a GM. You will agree though, that was his team in Brooklyn, right?

Oh yeah. So he could have said when Kyrie was doing all of his crap, knock it off or we're going to get rid of you. And since he didn't do that, James Hardin, who was actually in the right, and you got to remember, there's a lot to criticize James Hardin about, he did everything that Kyrie wanted when he first got there. He said, okay, Kyrie, you want to shoot more? I'll play the point guard role. I'll dish you the basketball.

That's fine. There were people were talking about James Hardin for a little bit, being the MVP of that team, just to refresh some people's memory, but him just being afraid to speak up publicly and behind the scenes, just letting this continue to just go and go and go is a bad leader. Now don't get me wrong. There's different forms of leadership in terms of I'll put the team on my back.

I'll carry us and play through injury. Can't question him there. But in terms of connecting with the other teammates and having to be uncomfortable and doing something when you'll get some pushback from your friends in Kyrie, he didn't have the cojones to do that. And fair enough, Durant turned into a villain in the sport. And I said this all the time, should have never left Golden State.

He should have just embraced. I'll go in two or three more championships. I'll give the middle finger to everybody. And you can't keep on discrediting my titles if I keep on winning. But him leaving and then failing in Brooklyn and not looking like he's going to win a championship with the Suns gives everyone a leg to stand on and say, see, Charles Barkley was right. You're really, even though you're an all time great player, you are not the driver of the bus.

You're a passenger. And the fact that the Warriors won a title before him and after him, right? Had they not won a title after he left? Maybe you can still make that argument. But the fact also that Steph and Clay and the rest of the Warriors chose Draymond basically over KD is another example. I don't know if that's an example of leadership or just an example maybe of how he doesn't connect with his teammates as well.

But he does definitely seem to have deficiencies in that area. So let's just say the NFL draft real quickly. Let's just say it stays and there's no trades inside the top ten, which is a tough parameter.

Bears at one, commanders two, Patriots three, Cardinals four, Chargers five, Giants six, Tennessee seven, Atlanta eight, Chicago nine, the Jets ten. That's the top ten order right now. JJ McCarthy, just give me a yes or no around the room. Not should, because I don't think he should be a top ten pick, but will he be a top ten pick?

Because Daniel Jeremiah is pretty good with these things. He is predicting him right now to be the eighth overall pick of the Atlanta Falcons. Stu, yes or no, will JJ McCarthy be a top ten pick? Will not be a top ten pick.

Samter? Agreed, no. Yeah, we're all in on JJ McCarthy not being a top ten pick, but Daniel Jeremiah has him at eight. Well I think part of it is like if the three guys go one, two, three as expected. Which he doesn't have in this draft. Right, so that impacts things, but if you have those three guys go one, two, three, the Giants, the Titans, and the Falcons all could. If the Falcons don't get Fields or Cousins, they're drafting a quarterback. Tennessee won't though because of Will Levis. They have too many other needs, and Will Levis showed enough that he should be the guy. Maybe. Now if one of those guys in the top three falls to seven, maybe it changes it, but I'd be surprised if Tennessee takes a quarterback.

And you can see it seem like the Raiders of Denver moving up into the top ten if they really like JJ to try to get him. So I don't think so, but I could see it. I think you just ended Stu. Stu gave you the dirtiest luck when that happened. Oh, you were on camera for that. Good. I was.

I don't know if it picked it up, but Stu gave you the hardest eye roll right there when you said JJ McCarthy to the Raiders. You're a troll. You become a troll. Yeah. Anyway. I mean, look at that Chiefs hat behind you. Go Chiefs Kingdom, baby.

Yeah. Even the commissioner said we got to get rid of that Chiefs hat. So that's what we'll do. And you haven't got your tramp stamp yet of Mike Pannell. So until you do that, you can't root for the Chiefs. Anyway, I'd be fine if Marvin Harrison Jr. is the pick for the Patriots at three. I think it's going to end up being Jayden Daniels.

I don't think McCarthy will go in the top 10 already. I am off the next two days. Big thanks, everyone.

Today, Gary Bettman, Dwight Friedi, Bart Winkler and Greg McDermott. We'll talk to you all on Monday. We out.

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