Chiefs Hate Has Gone Too Far (Hour 3)

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Alrighty, away we go. Hour number 3 of our radio program. That's right, it is the Zach Gelb Show Coast to Coast on CBS Sports Radio.

Live inside the Mandalay Bay Convention Center. Fun show so far. Sean Merriman joined us. Will Leviss, Trevor Lawrence, Robbie Gould still to come. We'll be joined by Patriot wide receiver, Kendrick Bourne.

And that will come your way 40 minutes from now. You know, there's been crazy audio, obviously, the last two days. And it only gets dumber throughout the week. I know last night was pretty stupid with opening night. And everyone's trying to put out this dog and pony show and make it a circus at Allegiant Stadium.

And I can't say that without acknowledging that we were a part of that as well. But that's just what happens on opening night. I think it's the one media event that the NFL puts on where everyone knows there's no control and you get a bunch of stupid questions. But throughout the week, the storylines just kind of get tedious.

They kind of get dull. It's like, okay, just get me to kick off. Just get me to the game. That's why I like being here at Radio Row.

It works. You get all these different people that join you on set. You maybe talk about their team and what they did this year like we did earlier with Will Leviss like we did earlier with Trevor Lawrence as well. And you kind of get a good lay of the land of the other 30 teams, even though there's only two teams that are playing on Sunday between the Kansas City Chiefs and the 49ers. And yeah, obviously we talk a ton about the Chiefs this week. We talk a ton about the 49ers.

But when you move away from all the fun and all the inane and all the innocuous questions that get asked last night, you know, you do have people that attend opening night and they ask their serious football questions. And, you know, football the last 20 years, it was dominated by the Patriots. And the Patriots, when they won their first Super Bowl, Super Bowl 36, especially with everything that happened in this country, it was a feel-good story. And then when they won Super Bowl 38, I don't think anyone hated the Patriots. And then once it became, you know, not even the three and four years, but it was really more so the Spygate investigation and that 07 Patriot team where it was the us against the world mentality. And, you know, I'm not naive.

I'm not dumb. When you are a dynasty, people hate you. And usually the hatred is just rooted in jealousy. It's because people want to be you. You know, people want to be the team that not only wins a Super Bowl but multiple Super Bowls and just keeps on getting there. And when you win at this really high rate and you do so multiple times, you get confidence.

You embrace and try to, I don't want to even say make up storyline. Sometimes it's contrived. But you try to lay into we're getting doubted. We're the hated team.

Because you know at your best what you're capable of. And as a competitor, you have to try to create some sort of doubt. And then there's like little things that teams will turn into big things. So I guess Kansas City is now playing this villain role and that they're the new hated team and everyone's gunning after them. And I do think there's a difference in the team that everyone's hunting and the team that's trying to take down. And then being the team that everyone's trying to hunt and take down. And then also being the team that's hatred.

So I don't even think about this until last night. But here is Chris Jones at the podium on opening night on Monday. And he talked about now the Chiefs being that villain team and the Chiefs being a team that is now hated and have some disdain to them.

Absolutely. For some reason, everybody used to love us. We used to be one of the most favorite teams. Now everybody is like we're ready for the Chiefs to lose. I don't know why, what changed, what dramatic incidents happened to where everybody felt like we should lose now.

But it's OK. They can continue hating. I don't think the Chiefs are hated. I think the only time the Chiefs were a hated team and they were a team where people were like enough of these guys, stop being a bunch of babies and stop being a bunch of sore losers was earlier this year in the regular season when they lost the game to Buffalo and Kadarius Toney was lined up offside. And then after the game, Patrick Mahomes was complaining and he was saying, oh, we want the officials to decide the game and we want the players to decide the game. We don't want the officials to decide the game. And Andy Reid, who's a very likable coach as well, right?

Big Teddy Bear eats the cheeseburgers and all that stuff. Even he was complaining after that game. That was the only time that I found the Kansas City Chiefs to be a team that you could dislike or a team that you could hate. I know that they have to kind of rile up some extra energy and they have to kind of make it as they're the team that everyone hates. And it's easy now to kind of spin that conversation because you have so many people that just hate to hate on social media. But if we actually determined haters by people that just sent you negative tweets on social media, well, then everyone has haters and everyone is the team that is being hated. But I don't I think if we put out a poll question, do you hate the Kansas City Chiefs? Unless you are a Chargers fan or a Broncos fan or Raiders fan inside the AFC West, I don't think this Kansas City Chiefs team is hateable. Like the only reason you would hate Patrick Mahomes is because of his brother.

You know, I know people don't like his wife and we know what his father has done now three times, which is absolutely disgraceful. But Patrick Mahomes is one of the more likable superstars ever. Him individually, when you take away his family, they don't have any reason to hate Patrick Mahomes. You know, why would people hate Andy Reid? Why would people hate Travis Kelsey? Like, if you are someone that goes, I hate Travis Kelsey because of Taylor Swift, why?

And I'm going through these storylines. Okay, yeah, Kadarius Toney is insufferable, but he's kind of irrelevant. Outside of that, this Chiefs team is fun. This Chiefs team is likable.

And I don't think that they resemble some and they're not a dynasty yet because you have to win three, but a team that had the makings of a dynasty. And I say this as a Patriot fan. People didn't like the Patriots because of Bill. People didn't like the Patriots because of some of the things that they were accused of. And, you know, Tom Brady was the golden boy and he won all these Super Bowls and they rubbed it in your face. And that was fine.

I loved it, right? And they played into it and people doubted them. Heck, there was a 10-year stretch and they didn't win a Super Bowl. But, Santa, I don't find Kansas City, I know you're a Fugazi Chiefs fan, after being a Jet fan for 40 years? Yeah, 40 some... No, no, no. I didn't start liking the Jets until... 35?

Yeah, no, until like the late 80s, early... I started liking the Jets when the Giants were good. So I wanted to like the team that sucked. But objectively.

Yeah. Well, we'll let people in on the shtick. Santa claims to be a Chiefs fan.

I don't really buy that. He's still a Jet fan down deep. Down in your roots, you're a Jet fan, whether you want to admit it or not. But this Kansas City team, what's the valid reason to hate them? Like, why would you hate this Kansas City team? I think there's a lot of hate. I mean, listen, people like you said... How could they just win? Yeah. People hate...

Same reason why... It's hard to hate Tom Brady, but people hated him because he was always winning. And so I think people hate teams that are just constantly winning. But I think this Taylor Swift thing really put a new wrinkle into it.

Really? Because it's not that people... Are there just trolls and dopes on social media? Like, I don't think that's a true reflection of society.

She's on for less than a minute every game. I think it's a true reflection of society because it's not just sports fans now. It's people who love Taylor and people who don't like Taylor. You're getting politics into it now, right? Because now you have the political side of it.

Taylor leans one way and then other people on the other. So there's a political side of it. There's the music side of it. It's only two. I can't do politics on a Tuesday.

I can't. I'm just saying that this is hitting every facet of America. This is a better microcosm of our country than a normal year of just Tom Brady versus Aaron Rodgers. This is... Everybody's interested. Whether it's pop music or politics or sports, everybody is interested. And I think that there's legitimately a faction of people who don't like the Chiefs because of what's going on with Taylor Swift. Not that she's doing anything wrong or Travis Kelsey's doing anything wrong, but her involvement in the way that it's being talked about is turning people off.

So I think that there's that. I think that the winning side of it- How is it being talked about? How is it being talked about? It's being talked about.

The amount that it's being talked about. So I know that you're not one of these Swifty haters, right? You would consider yourself more of a Swifty than a non-Swifty. She's dating my tight end.

I love her. Here's the thing. So let's just say your argument is correct.

Let's say you're right. People hate the Chiefs now because of Taylor Swift. What does it say about those people? We are hating, or some people, I'm not, are hating on the Chiefs because a guy who's very successful and famous fell in love with someone who's even more successful and more famous and they're not entitled to have a relationship. They're not allowed to have a relationship. He can't go to her concert. She can't go to his games. So are the people that are hating, are they married?

Are they not allowed to find their significant other and have their happiness? Should I sit there and go, oh, I don't like your wife or I don't like your husband? Is that what it is? I know sometimes we do this thing where it's like, oh, you have someone that's just hating that lives in their mother's basement. It's fun to say, but I don't think that's actually the true reflection.

I think it may just be a generational thing. I understand social media. I understand what the stories are.

I understand the trends. You know, I wonder if I watch a game with my dad, I haven't watched the Chiefs game with him. You know, I wonder if I was watching a game, you know, of him at the Super Bowl. My dad doesn't, you know, my dad is like a strictly sports guy, sports guy, sports guy, sports guy.

Is he going to sit there and go, oh, they're showing too much Taylor Swift? I think my dad would say, show her as much as you are when they're winning than when they're losing. But my dad also said the same thing about Jerry Jones when he would be basically humping Chris Christie in that disgusting orange sweater when the Cowboys are winning in the regular season or just in three quarters, then equally show them when they're losing. So I don't think, and I think maybe it could be a little older versus newer, but I don't believe people actually find the Chiefs right now, hateable. The only reason or the only time where they were hateable was after that first Bills game, because it's one thing to win.

And I'm not like, I don't lecture people on learn how to lose because you shouldn't want to lose. And I don't get all caught up when someone doesn't shake hands after they don't win a game. But when you go after the officials, when you look at that play against Buffalo and Kadarius Toney was clearly lined up offsides, that's the only time I said, man, Kansas City finally had their villain moment. Kansas City finally became unlikable, but that didn't even last long.

That was a week. And then Kansas City was kind of vulnerable and we were like, eh, maybe they're not going to get there. And they were doubted. Like they are the top dog. I'm not saying they aren't the top dog, but this top dog was doubted significantly this year where I don't even know if there was proper time and enough time to actually hate them. And maybe, maybe they become hateable on Sunday night.

They win. And I don't think Travis Kelsey getting up on the podium saying, you got to fight for your right to party. Like I don't find that hateable. I think Travis Kelsey's fun. I think Patrick Mahomes is fun. And Steve Spagnola is a tremendous defensive line to coach Andy Reed finally getting his moment of winning.

Chris Jones saying this team is hateable. I think that's a contrived narrative. I think that's them where they know how good they are. They know that they could only beat themselves, that they kind of have to, and you shouldn't need extra motivation, but people do this all the time in sports.

You kind of build up. We're the villain. We're the team that's everyone's doubting. And there's a difference in saying we're the team that's hated. And then we're the team that everyone's chasing.

Everyone's chasing Kansas City. The only team, well, the Buccaneers were able to do it, but now that Bucs team is totally different. But the team in the AFC and the guy in the AFC was Joe Burrow and also Lou Annaruma, the defensive coordinator. Those were the guys that were able to make Kansas City actually look vulnerable and actually be able to say we could beat you. And they beat them three times in a row. I know they ended up losing an AFC championship game to them, but they also won an AFC championship game the year before. And that's the only team that we could actually believe in moving forward because of Burrow that they could slow down this Kansas City team. Maybe it is the Niners.

The Niners on paper have a better roster. But I just want to separate. And it's often confused and like remember the Venn diagrams and stuff in schools. It's sometimes when you have a team that's hated and then a team people are chasing, then there's usually some crosstalk from both sides that's blended in the middle. Look at me talking about Venn diagrams.

I'm pretending to be an erudite person. But that's where I think you can allow yourself to believe you're actually hated when in reality, I don't find Kansas City to be hated right now. And you know, whatever they need to use for motivation, good for them. If they feel hated, then they can use it.

If they're manufacturing it in order to just give themselves some interior motivation, so be it. But I do see that there is anti Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce. And again, I don't think it's how much they're showing them on TV. Did you see that last night?

I didn't see that at all last night. Did anyone get into it with Travis Kelce over Taylor Swift? Like if there are actual haters, wouldn't you confront them about it? No, but I think that there's the media, the way the media portrays it is different. I think that they... Are you saying there's people in the media that are afraid to ask or voice their opinions to Travis Kelce? No, no. Because if I didn't like Taylor Swift, which I love Taylor Swift, I don't want the Swifties going after me, I would ask Travis Kelce about it last night.

I would say my side to him. That's not the issue. Again, I don't think the issue is anything with... Well, I mean, I guess there are some people who just don't like Taylor Swift. But generally, the issue is not with Taylor Swift or Travis Kelce. The issue is with how the media is covering them and how inundated everybody is.

You can't escape Kelce, Taylor Swift. If you are listening to politics, it's there. So beat them.

No, no, no. It goes away if someone beats them. But it's not about... I mean, but if you're just a random person living in North Carolina and you're like, okay, I've been watching sports all day. All they're doing is talking about Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce.

Let me turn on some political TV. Oh, you know what? They're talking about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. You know what?

Let me go listen to music. Oh, wait, they're talking about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. That's where I think people are getting PO'd. But they should thank then Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. Because if you were tuning into a political show and they are giving you Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift, I bet you it's better than whatever other Jackassery that they're talking about.

For sure. I think the issue is... The media, I don't think, has an issue with them. I think it's the people who are just feeling just too much of it in our faces. But I think at the end of the day, in the sports world, the hate for the Chiefs, if there is any, if it's not manufactured, if it isn't fake, if there is actual hate for the Chiefs, if they are actual villains, it's only really because people are tired of them winning so much.

Because there's not a lot of... There aren't dislikable characters on the team, they're just a... I would say there's only a handful of fan bases that could hate Kansas City. And here would be the fan bases. It's the same fan bases who hated the Patriots when they were... No, no, no, no, no.

It's different. All the teams in the AFC West, you should be more mad at your teams for not getting their act together, but I would understand why you hate Kansas City. I think the Patriot fan could have the potential to hate Kansas City because of eventually the inevitable comparisons Mahomes and Brady. And I could see why that would... As it rubbed the 49ers fan the wrong way, it would rub the Patriot fan the wrong way. And then the two other fan bases that I think could hate Kansas City, the Bengals, even though they've made them human, that's like a good rivalry.

They're always clashing heads and talking junk. And then after this Sunday, it could be the 49ers because that could prevent the Niners, the Chiefs could prevent the Niners from winning a Super Bowl or even two Super Bowls because they lost to them in January of 2020 and they could lose to them on Sunday. You don't win this one on Sunday, then I think the Niner fan will hate Kansas City. But outside of that, Bills fans, you know what? Bills fans can hate Kansas City too.

Sure. But you're telling me that if you're... But that's like a handful of teams. But if you're telling me that you're a Packers fan or a Vikings fan or a Cardinals fan... No right to hate Kansas City. And you just enjoy watching football. You're just bitching a bitch. That's what you're doing. You're bitching to bitch maybe, but you're also... And a lot of people bitch to bitch in this society. But you're also just tired of... It's the same reason... I'm a Jets fan, so I hated the Patriots because of that.

But I'm sure there were teams who had no connection to the Patriots, good or bad, who by title number four, five, six, were like, I hate the Patriots because I'm just tired of seeing them there all the time. It doesn't get better. Sure. Be a winner, don't be a loser. That's my PSA.

We're not doing Zach Guilp's show PSA on Thursday. That's my PSA this week. But when you're a fan... Be a winner, don't be a loser. If you don't like losing, then find out how to win, all right? But when you're a fan, you don't have control over the team's winning or losing. So you're just stuck being forced... So protest, the man changes. But you're stuck being forced, watching the same team over and over and over again.

People want to see greatness and then they want to tear greatness down. Glue your hand down to the turf. There you go. And don't unglue it until your team wins a championship, all right?

Oh, please. I hope we don't get any protests for these Super Bowls. If I'm sitting at the Super Bowl and I have some dope glue in their hand to the cement of Allegiant Stadium, oh, I hope they're not in my section because they will get an earful from yours truly. I will go after that person.

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So that is what you had Lance Serline telling Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. I don't know how much I buy that, but then yet again, and I know we had Will Leviss on earlier and he talked about that fall in that green room. That's the same Will Leviss that was projected to be, bare minimum, a top 15 pick last year, and he fell all the way out of the first round. You also remember the fall of Aaron Rodgers as well when he didn't go number one overall. A few years ago, we all thought Malik Willis was going to be a first round pick.

That didn't happen as well. I just have a tough time seeing Drake May fall in that much. And I'm not big into evaluating quarterbacks anymore because most of the time we end up getting it wrong with quarterbacks.

I'm not going to be afraid to do that. You know, I'm not afraid to be wrong about something, but a lot of times now, the quarterbacks, we get told this guy's going to be transcendent. This guy's going to be generational. This guy's going to be phenomenal. And is it more so an actual belief or is it the quarterbacks is just the sexiest position in the sport?

If you don't have one, you need one. So you try to talk yourself into a quarterback being something that they're not. Like look recently, heck, we're here talking about Brock Purdy, who was Mr.

Relevant. Patrick Mahomes, when the Chiefs traded up to get him, you know, now you could say, oh, what a brilliant move. But people didn't think that was a brilliant move at the time.

You got to take a gamble, though, and sometimes you got to be uncomfortable to end up navigating through a time period and getting your team to be at the form where Kansas City is going to be. But look at kind of these other drafts as well, where you had in one year in a first round Baker Mayfield go. You had also the third pick was Sam Darnold. In that same draft, you had Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, and then Lamar Jackson. Now, two of those quarterbacks ended up being something.

Neither have a Super Bowl. And look at the Niners who were in a Super Bowl and how they found their way with Brock Purdy. But the guy that was supposed to be the guy and they traded three first round picks to go get was Trey Lance. And look how quickly that entire draft class has just unfolded right in front of our eyes where the best player and the best quarterback in that first round of that draft class is Trevor Lawrence.

And we just had Trevor Lawrence on the show about an hour, hour and a half ago when Trevor joined us. And I had to ask him a question, what do you say to people that think you're a bust? Because he was perceived to be one of those generational guys. So I have a tough time seeing Drake May fall. But the first three picks to me in this draft are fascinating. When we had Robbie Gould on earlier and he's talking about how you could surround Justin Fields with a lot in Chicago, I understand the argument. I've made the argument 9,000 times on this very fine radio program where I've made the case for the Bears to trade the number one pick or you take Marvin Harrison Jr. and you continue to rock and roll with Justin Fields. But contractually, Fields is entering the fourth year in the league and you got the fifth year option. So you eventually have to, if you're going to give him the thought of, okay, you're going to be the franchise quarterback, then you got to pay him like that. So I think they're going to reset the clock. And when you have Caleb Williams drawing comparisons to Patrick Mahomes, whether you think that's fair or not, you're going to take the guy that has the better chance to be like Patrick Mahomes.

That's just what you're going to do. So I do believe the Bears are taking a quarterback at one and I do believe it's going to be Caleb Williams. I got to think, I know that Cliff Kingsbury is now the OC for the commanders and some people now believe because of the Cliff-Caleb Williams relationship that the commanders are going to move up to one and Caleb Williams grew up in the DC area, but I don't think the Bears are trading the pick and I don't think they're not taking Caleb Williams. So then at two are the commanders when you have a new owner, a new GM and a new head coach and you have a head coach in Dan Quinn who saw, I know it wasn't, he wasn't the coach at the time, but the general manager who was at the time Thomas Dimitrov, he took Matt Ryan to number three. You're telling me that the commanders who need to make a big splash aren't taking a quarterback?

Yeah, they absolutely will take a Drake May. They will take a Jayden Daniels. Then the team at three, one and two will definitely be quarterbacks.

And then the team at three becomes extremely compelling and that's the Patriots. And Jarod Mayo basically said it without saying it that the Patriots are going to take a quarterback. And I believe Marvin Harrison Jr. is the best player period in this draft.

I think he is the best player and he's the one guy in this draft that you tell me you put all the money that you have on someone being a Hall of Famer. I'll put my money on Marvin Harrison Jr. And we are now in a league where wide receivers can make $30 million a year. Do one of those teams in the top three take Marvin Harrison Jr.? Maybe it ends up being the Bears if they don't trade fields.

Could it be the Patriots? I'd be fine as a Patriot fan bypassing on a quarterback now, building up the roster and taking Marvin Harrison Jr. But even if Marvin Harrison Jr. goes on to have a Hall of Fame career and you pass on a quarterback who goes on to be a Hall of Famer as well, let's say that's a Drake May or Jayden Daniels, the quarterback is going to get the edge. The quarterback is going to get the tiebreaker because that's the toughest position to find in sports.

Look at a guy like Pukunakua. I know that we've seen quarterbacks get drafted late, Brady, who goes on to be the greatest quarterback of all time. You've seen Dak Prescott get drafted late, have success in this league.

We see what Brock Purdy is doing right now. But a lot of these wide receivers, the more wide receivers that go on to have successful careers that weren't first round picks, then there are with quarterbacks. So you can probably craft a better argument why you should take the quarterback over the wide receiver. But just from a pure confidence standpoint, I do believe Marvin Harrison Jr. is the best player, period, in this draft. So when I look at the draft, will any of these teams in the top three, the Bears, the Commanders, and the Patriots, will they deviate off a quarterback? If the answer's yes, then okay.

Caleb Williams ain't falling. It would either be Drake May or Jayden Daniels. And maybe this is just one evaluator. Maybe other people share that belief. And you have to remember in this draft process, it's just one evaluator. You never know the motives of the person trying to evaluate that player.

That person that has given this evaluation to Drake May may want him to land on his team, so he's trying to create this conversation to get him full. And every year, you hear things about guys that don't match up with the way that we talked about them for the last year, the last two years, the last three years. And it's because you have these evaluators, anonymously speaking, and they're paid for by teams, and they're trying to potentially drive the price down on someone, or they could be their genuine thoughts.

But it's like they never see anything. I'm not doubting the reporter. I'm not doubting here Lance Zerline. But I'm doubting the person that's giving the information.

Those could be their thoughts, but it doesn't mean that the thought is right. And it doesn't mean that's what's going to happen. So right now, I would still be pretty stunned if Drake May's not going in the top five picks of the draft. And I would still be pretty surprised if we don't have two quarterbacks go in the first three picks.

And I would kind of almost be surprised if we don't see three quarterbacks go in the first three picks as well. All righty. It is the Zach Gelb show on CBS Sports Radio. Let's take a five-minute break. We'll come on back. We want to leave plenty of time for Kendrick Bourne, who is scheduled to join us. Been an action-packed show today with Sean Merriman, Will Leviss, Trevor Lawrence, Robbie Gold.

And we got one more segment, one more conversation to get to. And Kendrick Bourne, who played for the 49ers, we'll see if he's back in New England. I thought he was in the doghouse of Matt Patricia, which I don't understand why.

And that was two years ago. But a lot of chaos in New England. You got a new coach who's been on that staff and played for the team for years in Girard Mail. Let's get a lay of the land on the Patriots and the future of Kendrick Bourne, who has a good insight on the 49ers as well when we return in five minutes. Update time first. Let's send it back to our New York City headquarters.

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We got a patriot, or we'll see if he's a patriot moving into next year, but he's a patriot the last few seasons joining us on set. And that, of course, is Kendrick Bourne, also played for the San Francisco 49ers as well. Kendrick, appreciate the time. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, Zach. Appreciate it, dude. Pleasure to be here. So who's your favorite musician? One of these Super Bowls the Backstreet Boys were on, I had PR people yelling out, you can't do this. You can't do this. And they were great.

They did that rejoin that you just heard. But you're getting ready for a game or you're just chilling on a Friday night. Who are you listening to? Who I'm going with, my go-to, might be, I'm trying to think, man, I want to pick a good person. Give me a few. It probably might be like some Lil Wayne.

Okay. Drake. Lil Wayne doing a lot of parties this week. Yeah, Lil Wayne. I got invited to three different parties this week, and it's like headlined by Lil Wayne. And two of them were in the same night. I go, how's he going to be at two places at once?

But I guess when you're him, you could probably go to one place for 30 minutes, and then you go to another place and you go for like two hours, something like that. Maybe some Meek Mill. Get me turned up.

Get me hyped up. I lived in Philly for seven years. Meek Mill, when he got out of prison, I was at the Sixers game, working the Sixers game. I am in the elevator with Meek Mill right as he got released.

He goes with the guy that runs the fanatics, Michael Rubin, who's very close with you, so in the Sixers. And they went right to the game. So getting released from prison, going right to the game.

And somehow I found my way in an elevator with Meek Mill. Shout out Robert Kraft. Shout out Robert Kraft. Mike Rubin.

That's right. Unfortunately, you don't know what it's like to win a Super Bowl in New England. You were a part of them when they weren't good, but those Super Bowl parties used to be Meek Mill there. And then all of a sudden, you start rooting for his hometown team, the Eagles, again.

Hey, what's the name? Robert Kraft showed me a Dream Chaser's chain. Meek Mill gave them. It was crazy heavy at his house.

It was great, though. Robert Kraft, like, friendly with Rick Ross. He's friendly with Meek Mill. He is. He's young. He's young.

He's the youngest, like, 80-year-old that I've ever encountered, Robert Kraft. It's phenomenal, bro. It's phenomenal. All righty. So I have to ask you this.

All right. I can't stand Matt Patricia. I liked him when he ran the defense on the offensive side of the ball.

It was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Why did he put you in the doghouse? Because I hated what he did to you. Ah, man, that's a good question, dude.

I really don't know, man. I was coming off my best year. So I was thinking, you know, I'm going back in. I'm going to be able to be out there and whatever. And I guess he just had different plans.

So I'm not sure, man. I can honestly say, too, you know, I could have been better in certain areas, but I was getting into the game with it, feeling sorry for myself. So I kind of fell victim to the situation. I could have approached it probably differently as I think about it now.

But also, you know, when you have your best players, you give your best players opportunity to play. I feel like that's who I was coming out of 2022. So it was just a tough situation, man. And it just sucks. But it was it was something new. We thought we were going to get somebody different.

And I think it was just ultimately not the right choice to put him in that position. And that's the thing. I'm a common sense guy. I don't have a Ph.D. in football. I'm not going to sit here like all these other dopes on Radio Row and be like, oh, I'm going to tell you about this coverage. I'm going to tell you how to run this route tree, all that. I'm not going to do that.

But when you bring a defensive guy to run your offense, it had to stop the development of not only Mac Jones, but the rest of the offense. It made no sense. I'll be sitting there as a player saying, what the heck's going on? And that's the hard part is, like I said, falling into why? Why? Why? You know, I couldn't focus on getting better because I'm thinking the same thing you just asked me. Why is he our OC?

Why that? And I think it just trickled through the whole year of so much questioning instead of we are who we are. We're still trying to figure out who we are in week nine, 10, like, bro, we're supposed to be already found identity. And I think we struggle with that.

So we struggled all year. Did you like playing for Belichick? I love playing for Belichick, man, and it's different than what you just asked me. You know, he knows what he's doing. He's been so familiar with everything.

I think Matt Patricia is, too. He knows football, but Bill just knows the game to a T. So I just loved everything he taught me, man. How he made me grow as a player, man. He helped my career. He changed my life. He paid me.

You know what I mean? So I'm always thankful for that. He helped me change my family's lives and things like that. So I don't take that for granted. And ultimately, just as a person and a player, ultimately, too. And so I just love that guy. I really do. Was Mac Jones liked in that locker room?

Mac Jones was really liked. I think it was rough in 2023. 2022, obviously, was rough, as you just talked about. And in 2023, it got more rough. So I think it was two years of roughness, of a kind of rebuilding and trying to find who we were. And I think it was just it was kind of a toxic place. People pointing the fingers and things like that in the locker room. Not too bad, but you could feel the energy.

You know, I've been a part of a winning locker room, as you know, in San Francisco. And it was just different. It was it was harder to get through those situations. So I don't say he wasn't liked. It was just everybody's point of view is different. So I love Mac. I have a good relationship with him, but I couldn't tell you how somebody else felt.

So I think it was just different emotions about him. So you're a free agent now. How do you kind of look forward to these next few months? And what's ahead for you?

Obviously, you know, I hurt my hurt my knee. And how you feeling, by the way? I'm feeling well. You're walking around pretty good. Thank you.

I remember that you were injured, but I'm like, it looks fine to me. Thank you, bro. I need that.

I need that all over the radio. So I'm doing great, man. Twenty million a year.

Give it to him. I've been I've been doing well, man. Rehab's been doing been going great. And just going into free agency, you know, I've been in it once, obviously, and I didn't know what was going to happen. I never thought the Patriots would want me. So I'm kind of in that same boat. I don't know who has interest in me, really. I have relationships throughout the league that I've played for certain coaches, former coaches that are head coaches now, OCs now.

So it's really just up in the air. You know, I've built good relationships and going around, you know, being a good person, you know, really treating people with respect coaches, not looking at things as you know, this was bad for me. So I don't like this coach anymore. He was just trying to make me better. So looking at things in the right perspective has helped me build relationships so I could be picked up by who knows.

And I didn't have a relationship with Bill or nothing. So it was crazy that I got picked there. So going into free agency, I really just don't know and I would love to be a Patriot again though.

That is my desire, but you know, never know, man, with this league. It's a business. Can you impersonate Belichick?

Let me see. So we're in a team meeting, we're in a team meeting. I'm going to say what he said to me. So he'll put me on a board. If I drop the pass or something, he's like, I mean, Bourne, what are you doing? You're supposed to be right here right now and then you do this. I mean, it's just, boy, so he'd do that or something and he'll call me out or whatever it may be. It probably sounds a little bit more like this, you know, Kendrick, you're all concerned about this clothing brand that you have.

Can you just catch the damn ball and make a play? Hey, that was way better than you. Do your job. Do your job well, Kendrick. All right. Stop bitching about Patricia.

That is spot on, spot on. But I love him, dude. He's great. Are you shocked? Like, I'm not shocked that he's not back, but are you shocked that he did not get employed by one of these other teams? I'm shocked.

I'm super shocked. You know, I just, I love the way he goes about things. I love the old school mentality.

It's just, it's just, it's just different areas. I feel like there's new age players, man, this NIL stuff, all these things that come into play with how players mindsets are, you know what I mean? I think his, the hard work mentality is tough for him to resonate with certain players that don't have that perspective yet.

You know, they don't know how to earn. They've kind of been given things in college in a sense. So I think that's where the miscommunication with certain players with Bill is hard. So, but I hope, hopefully he gets somewhere, man, that'd be cool or whatever he does, media or whatever. You need to now, I think, be a players coach, but you can't be a doormat.

Yes. Like I look at Dan Campbell, players coach, but has the respect of the locker room. Antonio Pierce, players coach has the respect of the locker room. A guy like Jerod Mayo, he seems like he's that new style football coach. Your experience with Jerod being on the staff the last few years, how do you think he'll do as a head coach?

That's a great question. He's going to do great, man. Just knowing him, walking around the locker room, seeing him every day, he was consistent every day. He'd walk around with like a bat one day, walk around with a golf club one day, walk around with like a hockey stick when it was so, so weird, but it was so unique and it showed me that he is like different. He's just different.

And that's the energy we need, something just different and unorthodox, bro. So that's the new way, but young coach, young perspective, and very relatable. So I was talking to Robbie Gould earlier and you guys are a part of the Niners, obviously. And you guys are, you don't need me to tell you this, you guys are up 10 with seven and a half to play in the Super Bowl and you couldn't get the job done. This Niners team, you still knowing people on this team, is this their time or is it still man, that 15's a bad dude and they don't got a chance? That is, I'm in between. So I'm kind of biased because I didn't go back to the Niners and I'm not in the Super Bowl.

And I also don't want Patrick Mahomes to win, so I want it to be a tie, but nah, I want the Niners to get him, man, because like you said, I got a lot of relationships there. I love those guys. I've worked hard with them, blood, sweat, and tears into it, and we weren't able to finish it off. Like you said, man, we were up 10.7 minutes of with the ball and we couldn't finish it. So if they get in that situation again, hopefully they can finish it out, man. And there were two things that stood out to me in that game, the pass that was overthrown to Emmanuel Sanders, and then Chris Jones batting that ball down at the line of scrimmage on third down when Kyle should have ran the football.

Yes. So I think Kyle has a big job of knowing when to run the ball. The rumor was back then we didn't run the ball enough. You know, I wasn't a coach or nothing, but we didn't run the ball enough. So hopefully Purdy can- It's easier to run the ball now. Exactly.

And they have all the tools, man. Christian, he's back there running the ball great. Deebo and IU. Did you like playing with Deebo? Yeah. Deebo hung up the phone on me this summer in an interview.

Oh, there's two. Oh my gosh, bro. That guy, Deebo. We were just talking about the Eagles and then he just handed the phone off the VR first.

I've done it against Deebo. He's a heck of a football player, but- He's a superstar guy, man. That's how some of them act, bro. He just seems like he's all ball. That's like he doesn't want to talk to the media. He don't want to do it. He just wants to play football.

And as we see, he's a football player. Travis Kelcey, Taylor Swift, do they end up getting engaged one day? Man, bro. That's why I think they're going to win.

That's why they want it to be- Is it scripted? I don't know, bro. I'm in between, bro, in between. She's so famous, bro. She's bringing in money for the league.

It looks good on us. I'm part of the league. I'm part of shit. So, I mean, however they want to do it, I mean, that's cool. But when they're getting married, I believe in marriage. I'm married. Been married. I'm going three years. Yeah, because of what you're about to say.

That would be a good thing. All right. Before we let you run, tell me everything about your clothing brand that you own.

Oh, yeah. Thank you, bro. So my clothing brand is Born Blessed. No matter what you've been through, you were born blessed. I think it's a perspective mindset, just how you think about things. Anything bad happening to you, it can be to make you better.

It's not about why me or anything like that, like I was trying to explain through the interview. I think that's the mindset behind the brand that I'm trying to build, is having a good perspective to use the trials and tribulations that you've been through to make you better, man. And I think that's what I've done to have a successful career so far, man. So shout out to Born Blessed, man.

BornDrip.com is the website if you want to buy some clothes, man, and just trying to grow it, trying to do everything, man, being an entrepreneur. Yeah, I'm going to be transparent with you. I do not think you're back to doing that. No, because from your perspective, you're getting later in your career, you've got one more contract here. I could already tell you people are going to doubt you because of coming off the injuries. I think you end up going to a title contender, and the Patriots right now aren't one of them.

I appreciate that, Zach. That's what I'm saying. So honestly, what I was just saying earlier to my agent that we were in a rebuild, so they might take off.

I don't want to miss that. I was with the Niners in that era. It could change quickly. Look at the Texans this year.

Oh my goodness. But you've got to draft a quarterback just like CJ Stroud. But you're right, dude. All right? It's not brain surgery here. You've got to get some talent.

You've got to get a quarterback and you've got to get a coach. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, man, we'll see, man, where I end up. I'm excited, man.

I love the unknown, man. Just having faith, man. You know, God got it in his hands and he's going to put me where I need to be to help certain people. It's all ordained in a sense.

So that's why they say you were born blessed. Yes, sir. Appreciate you joining us today. It's a Zach Gelb show on CBS Sports Radio. That's actually all the time we have today. We'll be back tomorrow. That was a awesome three hour show. We'll do it all again tomorrow at 3 p.m. Eastern, noon Pacific.

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