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That's Z-A-C-H-G-E-L-B. Brian Jack McKeon, producing this fine extravaganza for the next four hours. We've got a lot of guests stopping by today. We'll do a little college football fix at 7.20 p.m. Eastern, 4.20 p.m. p.m. p.m. p.m. with Keaton Slovis, the starting quarterback at BYU, previously played at Pitt and USC. We'll talk to Green Bay Packers defensive tackle in Kenny Clark at 8.20 p.m. Eastern, 5.20 p.m. Pacific. And then at 9.40 p.m. Eastern, 6.40 p.m. Pacific, Eric Eager from Sumer Sports will join us as we'll preview this upcoming season in the National Football League. But I got to start today's show with something that Antonio Brown said with my pal Bryant McFadden, the two-time Super Bowl champion, cornerback for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

It was actually on TV the other day, CBS Sports Network with B-Max, so I always enjoy jumping on with him. But he not only works for CBS Sports HQ, he also does a podcast with his cousin, Patrick Peterson. And I don't think Patrick Peterson was on this edition, but I did see that Bryant McFadden was interviewing DK Metcalf. And DK Metcalf named not only his top three wide receivers in the NFL today, but he also did go on to name his top five wide receivers of all time. And let me just start off with who he named as the number one wide receiver is not the greatest wide receiver of all time, but he's very controversial and he is a Pro Football Hall of Famer and should be a Pro Football Hall of Famer, even though it's not going to be as easy as you think the numbers would suggest that it's going to be. So let's start off with the all time receiving list for DK Metcalf. And you got to cut DK some slack because he's a young guy, right?

He's not going to go into the weeds of all the history and all that. Like, you know, you have to have Jerry Rice on that list. Most people know that Jerry Rice, the GOAT, should be number one on this list, but I can't crush DK Metcalf, who is younger. And for a lot of these players, most of them, he didn't really even see them play. You know, DK Metcalf is 25 years old.

I'm sitting here about to turn 29 next month. So I have even more knowledge and probably watch football earlier than DK Metcalf. And I don't expect like a talk show host, me expect to get the top five somewhat close. Just because DK Metcalf is a great wide receiver doesn't mean he's going to go analyze all the great players in the history of the game. So, you know, I don't even know how much DK Metcalf even remembers seeing of Randy Moss and Terrell Owens as well. But his top five list was number five, it was Julio Jones. Four was Jerry Rice, three was Terrell Owens, two Randy Moss, and then one Antonio Brown. I have no problem with Terrell Owens and Randy Moss being in the top five. I have no problem obviously with Jerry Rice being in the top five. He should be one though on this list. But Antonio Brown is not a top five receiver of all time. He's a hall of famer, he should be a hall of famer, but not a top five wide receiver of all time, let alone number one on this list. And if you want to tell me, okay, DK Metcalf grew up and Julio Jones is one of the better wide receivers in the league, totally get that.

But if you're just going to go from the last like 15 years or so, and guys that DK Metcalf could have grown up watching. Personally, I think just for starters, you have to have Calvin Johnson in before you even contemplate Julio Jones. So I'm not going to sit here and lambaste DK Metcalf for his list. Now, his top three wide receivers, and we'll get back to the Antonio Brown conversation in just a second because I think that's the big takeaway from this. His top three wide receivers in the NFL, and let me ask this to you McKeon, I don't know if you've been paying attention, did you happen to see the tweet that was sent out there from Dov Kleiman that was recapping this interview that Brian McFadden did with DK Metcalf. Did you see who his top three wide receivers were currently in the NFL right now?

I actually didn't, I'm fascinated by this conversation. Okay, if you had to pick, Brian Jack McKeon's given his top three wide receivers in the NFL today. Now what they've done in the past, just going into this season, your top three wide receivers are who? I guess number one's got to be Devante Adams.

Okay. Are you taking into account who's playing quarterback for them? No, just who you think, it doesn't matter who the quarterback is, just who you think is the best receiver. Okay, Devante Adams, Garrett Wilson? Stop. No, playing with Aaron Rodgers, you weren't rookie of the year last year.

I understand that. You weren't rookie of the year without a quarterback. But we're talking about top three wide receivers in the NFL, the guy has played one year, there's a lot of other receivers that are more accomplished and are considered better receivers. I like Garrett Wilson, nothing against Garrett Wilson, he looks to have a very promising career. Offensive rookie of the year, now playing with Aaron Rodgers, I'm offensive rookie of the year without a quarterback.

Okay, but you are forgetting a lot of other guys that are younger and that are at a more elite level than even Garrett Wilson was in his rookie year. Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup is not in my top three, but I can't kill you. So you think, Brian Jack McKeon's top three wide receivers in the NFL.

This is crazy for me to say this, you think this is crazy? I just think the only name that I think is crazy that you gave me was Garrett Wilson. If you want to tell me Cooper Cup won a triple crown from wide receiving, last year he got hurt. But the top three wide receivers in the NFL, in my opinion, in order right now. Okay. Davante Adams, one, I agree with you. Two, Justin Jefferson has to be in there at number two.

Okay. And then in at number three, it's weird. This guy does not usually always get brought up in the top three, he's always in the top five.

And I think it's because of a few reasons. DeAndre Hopkins. No, DeAndre Hopkins for a while, I thought was one of the, was like the best wide receiver. Because he's fallen off in the NFL. Well, no, he hasn't even fallen off. Like last year he put up a heck of a season. He just missed the first six games because he was using performance enhancing drugs.

But this guy, because he has something that is unstoppable, you can't guard him whatsoever. I know he was marred in controversy and it was disgusting what he was accused of and what he may have done. And I crushed him on national radio.

But this guy now has done it in two places. And it's Tyree Kill. Tyree Kill was dominant in Kansas City and then goes to Miami with Tuatunga Vailoa, who we all say is a great quarterback, but hasn't shown it yet consistently in the NFL and had to deal with injuries and put up monster, monster numbers. So that's my three best receivers entering 2023 right now. It would be in at number one, Davante Adams, two, Justin Jefferson, and then three, Tyree Kill. Where is AJ Brown, Davante Smith, that tandem or either of them landing in this conversation? Well, this list is not duos. It's just the top three receivers in the NFL.

No, no, I'm saying where are either of the two of them because does it hurt them that they're a duo? No, because you could have like great duos in the NFL and still be considered a top 10 wide receiver in the league. But number three was AJ Brown. Now I like AJ Brown. I think AJ Brown is a top 10 wide receiver in the NFL. I don't think he's in the top three. You got to remember, though, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, college teammates.

So I can't crush DK Metcalf. If you're going to be honest about this, like how you look back at the all time list, he's not going to be able to go through the entire history of the league. And a lot of these guys, even that he put on his list, I can't tell you that he really probably has any memory of a lot of them playing. But when you go through the current list, Justin Jefferson and Davante Adams, right, those are his two guys. And then the third one was AJ Brown to throw a bone to your friend, who is a top 10 and you could make the argument if you have to. He's the bottom of the top 10, though, right, like he's the 8 to 10 range.

Yeah. He's phenomenal. In Tennessee with Ryan Tanel not being a great quarterback and then goes to Philadelphia. And let's be real, Jalen Hurts, his career doesn't take off to a level it has without AJ Brown. Like you look at Josh Allen, Josh Allen was not a great quarterback until Staphon Diggs got there.

And you see what the Dolphins are doing, getting not only Jalen Waddle, but then the next year going on out there and getting Tyreke Hill. So you know, kind of putting AJ Brown on that list would be if you're a first round projected draft pick. And let's say everyone's saying you're the third wide receiver to go off the board. But if someone asks you, who's the best wide receiver in this draft class, you should say yourself because there's a, you should have that mentality regardless. Like Gabe Davis once told me, I remember that pre draft interview that we had with him, that he was the best wide receiver in the NFL draft class. But if you have that, if you have that mentality and that confidence, I think it's very important.

But I also think there needs to be somewhat of an argument. I'm not saying I would argue AJ Brown to be a top three wide receiver in the NFL, but it's not inconceivable for DK Metcalf to say, oh, he's a top 10 wide receiver. He's my friend. I think the world of him. I know him better than most. I know what he's capable of. I learned a lot from him.

He shared so much information and memories of one another that I'll put him in the top three. I think these lists are particularly challenging when it comes to the NFL, only because the way the league has changed over the last couple of decades, specifically the last two, right? You went from a predominantly defensive running league where now it's quarterbacks throwing 5,000 yards a year.

So the receiver numbers are deaf, are really warped compared to old time receivers, even like the running numbers are seriously warped. The quarterback numbers, we were having the conversation on Marco yesterday with Phillip Rivers being a hall of Famer because he's going to land in the top five. It's a very difficult, like I almost, it's hard for me to kill DK Metcalf for not necessarily having a lot of the old timers on this list. I get it. There's certain names that you just can't leave off. Well, it's age.

I know. Put it this way. There's three names that have to be on this list. Jerry Rice.

Yeah. Jerry Rice, Randy Moss. And to me, Terrell Owens.

Terrell Owens. Yeah, I agree with you. Absolutely.

I agree with you. But again, those guys meet the criteria. I think those guys could play in any era of the league. Yeah. But there's also receivers that dominate the league in the seventies and eighties that I don't know if they would dominate the league today. Like the athleticism, the speed, the way the game is played is so different now. Like I know we're going to have that age-old conversation. It's going to go on for decades and decades, decades, but am I doing out of a point here?

You do. I'm not disagreeing with you. So different now. And the NFL is so much more talented now.

It's hard. It's really difficult to compare. But put it this way. And you even said this, you put Jerry Rice in any era. That dude's the greatest wide receiver of all time. There's certain players like that in every sport, right? Like certain players in every sport are going to dominate whatever era they play in.

It doesn't matter. Like Tom Brady. You could put him in any era.

Any era. He's going to dominate the sport. LeBron James. You could put him in any era. Michael Jordan.

Same thing. Those guys are going to dominate their sport, whatever era you put them in. Having said that though, there's plenty.

Larry Bird, just to make Christopher Mad Dog Russo happy, you put him in any era, he would be phenomenal. Hmm. I don't know about that. Well, you're an idiot then. There are some players that transcend that, but more often than not, especially when I think football, I think there's more players in football when you look back at their era that wouldn't stand a chance in this era. Well, I think you could play this argument both ways because the way that offensive players are now protected, some of those, I'm not saying the players today aren't tough. This is the toughest sport in the world.

It's a lethal sport. The guys were mauled in the eighties and nothing happened. But there were like different rules that did happen and now people are more protected in the NFL. We still can't have something horrible happen. We unfortunately saw something happen this year like that. So that's just the nature of the game. Like Joe Montana to me reeks of a guy that can play in any era, right? Yes, obviously.

Those kind of quarterbacks about that. Does Fran Tarkenton have the same- Stop. Does he?

Stop. Does he? You've never seen Fran Tarkenton play. Does he? That's my point though.

No, but this is why this conversation is so stupid and that's why I'm going to put an end to it. I'm going to make my point on Antonio Brown in a second. If you're going to tell me Fran Tarkenton, who was an MVP of the NFL when he played in the seventies, made what, like 10 pro-balls or something? It's the NFL. Like the pro-ball number is- But I'm just, you have not watched enough tape in the past of Fran Tarkenton. Have you or Fran Tarkenton? No. None of us have. I'm not the one that brought up the name. You did.

But that's my point though. Is the athleticism that he had in the seventies? Yes, it was great back then.

I don't have a damn clue. Is he playing today and dominating the league like guys are today? The athleticism is so high. The defensive players are so quick now.

Is he running around like he did? So this is what I'm going to say to you. That's my point. This is what I'm going to say to you because I'm going to move on here. Go down the rabbit hole of YouTube tonight. You know, I'm sure you don't have a lot of plans anyway on a Friday night. You're here until 10 p.m. Eastern.

Wow. And then you got a podcast afterwards. We know McKeon's not going out and big night on the town and partying it up. You know, you had a long day.

You worked two jobs, all that stuff. Your big Friday night, open up a bottle of wine, pour yourself a nice glass of red lights and watch Fran Tarkenton. Okay. What a Friday night. And then on Monday, you could come. Oh, wait, you're not going to be here Monday because Hickey is back. But if you have some big takeaway, go ahead and text me so we don't have heads exploding right now in Minnesota. All right. This is Zach Gelb's show on CBS Sports Radio.

I want to get to this, though. So you had DK Metcalf with Brian McFadden say that Antonio Brown is the greatest wide receiver of all time. Number one, he's not. We know Antonio Brown is a great player. He's not the greatest wide receiver of all time. For a while, though, he was the best wide receiver in the NFL by a good margin.

And he played in an era with some phenomenal wide receivers. I've said this for years, and I'll say it again, because Antonio Brown's never going to play again in the NFL. So now we get into the conversation of, is Antonio Brown a Hall of Famer?

Let me be abundantly clear here. Antonio Brown is a royal pain in the ass, but he's a great player. And he's dominant. And he is deserving of a spot when his time is up to get into Canton, Ohio, of being a Hall of Famer. The guy has won a Super Bowl. He caught a touchdown in a Super Bowl. He's been a four-time first team All-Pro. He's made the Pro Bowl seven times. He led the league in receiving twice in yards and receptions. He's on the all-decade team for 2010.

The numbers and the accomplishments are all there for Antonio Brown. I get it, ugly ending. Ugly ending in Pittsburgh. Sorry, they just turned off my mic because I was spitting such great hot takes. I don't know why. That just happened. It reset the whole thing.

Come on, what are we doing out here? That was the weirdest thing ever that just happened. Yeah, my board turned off, too, and went back on. Your board just died. The microphone went off.

I go to press the on button. Is Deebo Samuel tapped into the system? Did 49ers fans hack us?

Man, I was really rolling into a great take about Antonio Brown, and obviously- Yeah, I felt I was the one in the Hall of Famer. Yeah. You're making too good of a point. Roger Goodell. This is Roger Goodell speaking. Gelb is making a point on CBS Sports Radio. Cut the feed.

He has a Roger Goodell clown shirt from Barstool Sports. We absolutely can't stand this guy, Gelb, so we're just going to tap into CBS Sports Radio in New York City and cut off his microphone. Oh, okay. Thanks, Roger.

If anyone's got the power. Way to be a jerk. But let me just finish up what I'm saying. He quit in Pittsburgh.

Royal pain in the ass. I can't even say he got to the Raiders because he threatened to punch Mike Mayock and then quit on them, too, and then gets to New England and you had all the allegations that did come out. And then Tampa Bay, yes, behaved himself for half a year and then quit on the team and now all he does is bash Tom Brady. Antonio Brown, the person, is a bad person and he's a joke, all right? But the Hall of Fame, to me, isn't about who's the greatest person in the world.

It is, are you a great player or not? And Antonio Brown, without a doubt, with the eyes that I watch football with, is a Hall of Famer. He won't get in.

They're not going to let him in. Here's the thing. He's not getting on the first ballot and wide receivers are very tricky. But look at what happened with Terrell Owens and Antonio Brown. Like Terrell Owens- Terrell Owens ate half the problem. Let me finish here.

Like turn off your mic for a second. Terrell Owens did not have off the field, like legal problems. He just got into it with teammates. When you look at Antonio Brown, he got into it with teammates and had a ton of allegations off the field.

So if they made Terrell Owens wait because writers didn't like him, yeah, I could absolutely see them making Antonio Brown wait or maybe not even putting him in at all because everywhere he did go, it ended in an ugly, miserable way. But with that being said, that's not what the Hall of Fame is about. You could be an awful human being. You could have disgusting allegations.

And it may be uncomfortable to want to honor that person. And you could be a bad teammate, but do you have the stats or not? Did you make a great impact on the field? And Antonio Brown's numbers, without question, say to me that he should be a Hall of Famer. I will let you continue, McKeon, but you're not wrong in terms of, yeah, you look at the way that these writers are, it wouldn't shock me if they never put Antonio Brown in the Hall of Fame. There's, find me in the Hall of Fame criteria where there's a morality clause. There isn't.

Nowhere does it say you have to be a good person. You're not, they're not putting you to- But basically baseball there is. Which is dumb as it is too because Ty Cobb's in the Hall of Fame, but we keep other guys out because we don't like them. The reality is Antonio Brown, Hall of Fame talent and Hall of Fame stats, Hall of Fame numbers, Hall of Fame, we both watched his career through his entire prime. It was about a decade in Pittsburgh where he was by far the most dominant receiver in the league and it wasn't even close. He had a hundred catch seasons back to back to back to back. He was an unbelievable player, but they turned it into a popularity contest with Terrell Owens.

They did and it was only because they didn't like him. That was the only reason because again, like you said, no legal troubles. Terrell Owens went to a Super Bowl too.

No legal problems. He was just known as a guy that was annoying to the media and a bad guy in the locker room and yet Terrell Owens, they held out for so long and he's not even a questionable Hall of Fame. He should have been a first ballot. He should have been a first ballot, no doubt. And they held him out for so long. You think they'll let an Antonio- There's not a single guy in the league who likes Antonio Brown.

Well, that's not true. There's a lot of teammates that like him, but people in the media are not going to like him. There's no one that can like him. Coaches, GMs, there's no way people are speaking positively about him.

I'm telling you, there are always teammates that will like a teammate. Look at Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving quits on everything and doesn't show up.

And you ask all the players in the NBA, they love Kyrie Irving. Just one last thing and I know we got to take a break. DK Metcalf's top five receivers of all time. Once again, Antonio Brown, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Jerry Rice, and then he did have Julio Jones. I know I just said a bunch about the top four. Just if you're going to throw a younger guy in there and Julio Jones fifth, like Calvin Johnson has to be in there before Julio Jones and also Larry Fitzgerald.

Those are two names that if you're the age of DK Metcalf, you have to have before you give me Julio Jones, who was phenomenal for a long time, but nowhere close to a top five receiver of all time in the sport. It is the Zach Yelp Show on CBS Sports Radio. We'll take a break.

When we come on back, one prominent NFL analyst says when you look in the AFC, Aaron Rodgers, right now, is not a top five quarterback in the AFC. We'll get to that next. You're listening to the Zach Gelb Show. Good rejoin here, McKeon.

Nice job. Zach Gelb Show, CBS Sports Radio. So Bucky Brooks, longtime NFL analyst.

I think he's working for NFL Network and believes NFL.com as well. He said Aaron Rodgers is not a top five quarterback in the AFC. And he said, I don't see Aaron Rodgers a top five quarterback in the conference. When you go down the list, you got guys like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar Jackson. There's not a spot for Aaron Rodgers.

And Bucky did continue by saying, when I look at him on tape, I've seen the decline. A lot of people are banking on Aaron Rodgers to be a four-time MVP, and he's going to New York and finding the founder of youth. But at 40 years old, there's not many quarterbacks that improve. So here's what I'll say about Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is a top five quarterback in the AFC. Can you make an argument that he's not?

Yeah. I think there is a laundry list of names of quarterbacks in the AFC that you could make a case or top five quarterbacks in the AFC. And you have to only put five in. So if you want to move someone out, I would not move out Aaron Rodgers. But it's not as if it's inconceivable to say that if you put out a list of five quarterbacks in the AFC, that there's like some crime that was committed because of the names that you put out there. Personally, I would put Mahomes one, Burrow two, right now Josh Allen three, Aaron Rodgers four, and then my fifth spot, it's Trevor Lawrence. I would put Trevor Lawrence in at five. Now you could tell me Justin Herbert belongs on that list.

You could tell me Lamar Jackson belongs on that list. If you're buying in that Russell Wilson's going to bounce back, you know, this time last year, most people would have had Russell Wilson in the top five of quarterbacks in the AFC. If you're buying that Deshaun Watson has knocked off the rust, you know, there was a time where the Deshaun Watson was viewed as one of the better younger quarterbacks in the game. The problem that I have right now with Lamar, and I'm a big Lamar fan, on national radio, I don't think there's been anyone that has pounded the drum more saying that Lamar Jackson can win a Super Bowl than me.

You know, there's no one that has said that more than me. But the last two years, he's been hurt. And we are now several years removed from that unanimous MVP that he did have. So I need to see Lamar stay healthy now for a full season before I put him in the top five.

And for Herbert, I love him. But Justin Herbert right now, you can't put him in front of Trevor Lawrence, who just beat Justin Herbert in a playoff game. So my top five quarterbacks in the AFC, Mahomesboro, Allen Rogers, and Lawrence. But getting to Bucky Brooks' point, where he said Rogers is in the top five quarterback in the AFC, I think that's a dangerous game to play to just say after one year of not seeing him at his best, that he's done, he's shot, and he's basically in his decline. Because you look at Rogers, you could chalk up last year, and I'm not saying this is fair, because Rogers got to take some of his bad play and wear it on the chin.

But Rogers had an injury, and he probably didn't need to play and shouldn't have played and kept on playing. So I don't know how much was that him not happy, how much he's in decline, or how much the injury was affecting him. This is going to sound stupid, because I'll compare it to Baker Mayfield. Like Baker Mayfield in 2020 had this great season. And then in 2021, he was dealing with the shoulder injury and it was, oh, did he decline and did he stink because he's not a good quarterback?

Or how much did the shoulder factor in? For Aaron Rodgers this year, we're going to see how great he will be moving forward with a team that is loaded on defense, a team that has more than enough pieces on offense to go contend, whether you think they're going to win a Super Bowl or not, I don't think they're going to win a Super Bowl. But I don't look into the season and say, oh, just because Rogers is old, and just because Rogers didn't have a great year last year, that now all of a sudden Aaron Rodgers is going to be crap, and he's not a top five quarterback in the AFC.

Because remember, the last time someone doubted Aaron Rodgers, it was his own front office in Green Bay, and then he pulled off back to back MVP type of seasons. Let me ask these few questions here to Marco Belletti. So Marco, right now, do you view Aaron Rodgers as a top five quarterback in the AFC? Yes.

Yeah, I still do. And where do you have him? So Mahomes one, Burrow two, I put Allen three, and then Rogers four, and then I had Trevor Lawrence five. I think that's fair. I mean, whether he's three or four, I think Burrow and Mahomes are clearly in front of him right now. Whether he's three or four with Allen, you could take your pick, you could flip a coin. But the idea that he's done to me is silliness. I need to actually see it. For consecutive seasons.

And I'll be slow on the curve on this one. I understand his age, I'm aware of all that. If you watch the beginning of his season to when the thumb injury happened to the rest of the season, I mean, he was stark. The comparison between the first couple of games and then all of a sudden it just fell apart.

That to me is not age falling apart in a two week span. Yeah, and when I say what I'm about to say, I'm not putting Rodgers in the same sentence as Tom Brady. But there were many times in Tom Brady's career where he struggled a little bit and people said he was done. And you look at the end of New England, that last year in New England, people said Brady was declining. I said, if you watch those games, that offensive line was horrible. Brady had no time.

You know it better than anybody. The only way Tom Brady loses football games is when he's on his back, when he's on his butt. And then he goes to Tampa Bay, the offensive line improves.

They didn't have this great regular season, but you had weapons out the wazoo and you build chemistry throughout the year, and then you're winning a championship. So not that you could just compare everyone to Brady, but Rodgers has been one of those all-time great quarterbacks. He's a top 10, top 15, wherever you want to draw the line, quarterback of all time. So I give him the benefit of the doubt where I'm going to have to see him play like crap for two consecutive years. And let's be real, even when Aaron Rodgers does fall off a little bit, and he said this before, he's still like a badger for Aaron Rodgers, still better than most of the quarterbacks in the NFL. No doubt.

And again, we're also put into the level of Rodgers and the rest of the great quarterbacks in the AFC. So I get it. To me, there's no way. Rodgers, I don't believe it's gone. I don't believe it just fell off the table.

And it happened in a, I mean, honestly, it happened in like a two week span. I don't buy that. I don't buy that.

I really don't. And then earlier we were talking about DK Metcalf, who did go on with Brian McFadden and gave his top five wide receivers of all time. Now remember, DK Metcalf is 24, 25.

So I always take a list like this with a grain of salt. And that's coming from someone who is not that much older than DK Metcalf. So you know, it's, it's tough, especially when, cause how many times you talk to an athlete and an athlete goes, yeah, I didn't really watch that much football growing up. So I don't know when DK Metcalf started to watch football, but it's, it's tough to think that DK Metcalf even if he still does, who knows, you know, he knows some of the all time great wide receivers, but it's tough to say that he's going to break down guys from like the seventies and the eighties. So his top five, it was Antonio Brown, one great receiver, but you could roll your eyes, put him at one. Randy Moss, two Terrell Owens, three, the, the greatest wide receiver of all time is Jerry Rice. He put him at four and then he put Julio Jones in at five.

So I'm not going to sit here. Like I said earlier and screaming about this list, but it did start a conversation. And it was funny because I wasn't expecting to talk a lot of hall of fame, but yesterday all of a sudden we started talking about quarterbacks and are they hall of famers or not? Antonio Brown to me is a hall of famer, Royal pain in the ass, bad dude. We all know that, but this is a guy that's on an all decade team.

This is a guy that has made seven pro balls for first team all pros. I know for it's, if you want a Superbowl, it's more coaching and quarterback, but he has won a Superbowl. I would vote Antonio Brown in the hall of fame. McKeon said he would too, but we both said that we kind of don't think he'll get in because of all the off the field stuff and how every situation it ended really ugly. And you know, if writers waited three or four years to put T.O. in, Antonio Brown is, is T.O. on steroids when it comes to actual things that happened off the field.

Yeah. He'd look, he's a hall of famer. How long it will take him to get in? He'll eventually get in.

I think it would eventually be. But yeah, if you're talking to me, if you're asking me, would he get in on the first bout? No, but you know, that would be automatic because it's holier than thou that they would hold it against them.

That's, that's automatic. And you know, what's going to happen to a B who deaf who I don't think he ever has believed he's done anything wrong. Antonio Brown, when he doesn't get in on the first try, you thought T.O. who had every argument to make forever about how he should have been in on the first try and the writers were taking it to him. I could see Antonio Brown saying a lot of things on social media.

That's going to push those writers to even say, no, no, no, no, no on Antonio. No doubt. Which is why again, it'll probably take a long time. He may talk him. Well, and there's a lot of reasons, but he may talk himself out of the hole and it's possible, which is ridiculous in and of itself. But yeah, when you're talking about human beings having to vote for you and you consistently, you know, berate or belittle them.

Yeah, there's a good chance that they might hold that against you. And I'm sure they're automatically going to hold something against him just for the attitude and the way he acted and the way his career ended. I mean, let's be fair. The last time we saw him was running off the field with no shirt on and met life, you know, saying goodbye to everybody. And he's still talking about it as to why he was right to do it. And also he has turned on Tom Brady, who no one, he turned on everybody. No one, no one ever wanted to bring Antonio Brown back into a football locker room. And Brady said, I could handle him, handle him for a half a season.

They went to Super Bowl. And this, remember there was that report that AB was living in Brady's like a wing of Brady's house. And then he goes, Oh, like Tom only used me for football. He's not, he wasn't actually looking for the, for the good of me. And again, I don't know if any of those things are true or not true, but it was just the idea like you've alienated everyone.

And then after it was over, you went after two guys that, you know, had almost an impeccable football type of reputation in Brady and even Bruce Arians at the time when he went after him. It's it is what it is. Well, let's see if we find the chapter with the Antonio Brown saga off the field is not closed. Unfortunately, we'll continue to hear more and more. We'll find out. Well, he doesn't believe in paying people for their services. So I feel like you go to someone, there's a lot more that's going to happen here.

Unfortunately before the time we get anywhere near when he's eligible for the hall of fame, this Antonio Brown, like this, I would compare it. I go into a deli, right? You walk into a deli guy, get me a bacon, egg, and cheese on a bagel. And then someone goes, all right, you have to pay $5 or whatever is a bacon, egg, and cheese.

Take the bacon, egg, and cheese. I got your boss. I'm out. Bye.

Don't don't ever pay for it. That's every story you read with Antonio Brown. He pays for a service and I'm comparing like it to me going in there for a bacon, egg, and cheese, but whatever his services are, and then he doesn't think he has to pay them just because he's in Antonio Brown. Again, there's a lot of issues there a lot.

And then it doesn't just stem from now paying for service. There's this, there's a lot. And I feel like we're opening Pandora's box when you get into the personal life of Antonio Brown.

I know that about that. It is the Zach Gelb show on CBS Sports Radio. Let's get into the latest CBS Sports Radio update with El Capitan at Marco Ballet. You're listening to the Zach Gelb show. All righty, this is Zach Gelb show on CBS Sports Radio. We'll have a news brief coming up in about 15 minutes. Keaton Slovis, the BYU quarterback, will join us for a little college football fix in 40 minutes from now.

Kenny Clark from the Green Bay Packers at 8 20 p.m. Eastern, 5 20 p.m. Pacific, and then Eric Eger from Sumer Sports at 9 40 p.m. Eastern, 6 40 p.m. Pacific. McKeon, since it's the last day that I'm going to be working with you for a little bit. So sad. Oh yeah, it's terrible. I'll tell you, like I yell at you in the open because, you know, you give, you give a mouse a cookie, he wants a glass of milk.

That's how I always describe Brian Jack McKeon. I don't know if that's a phrase, but. It is. It was a book. You give a mouse a cookie.

Yes. I've never heard of getting Mike's cookies. He wants a glass of milk. It was a book. I remember reading it as a kid.

It was an old children's book. So you give McKeon a little air time and then he thinks it's the Brian Jack McKeon show and he's been spewing takes for like four minutes and I'm sitting here just saying, all right, maybe I should just get up and leave and walk out and not even do the show. I gotta get him up my chest somehow, you know? Yeah, well, you know, I'm actually, I don't want to say I'm one of the few people that like you here, but I would say out of everyone here, everyone here at CBS Sports Radio, would you agree?

I'm probably the biggest fan of yours. Like I support you. I'm in your corner saying, go, Brian, go, go, Brian, go. Sure. I'd, uh, I'd lean on that fence. That wasn't really convincing if you ask me.

Um, anyway, since Hickey's back on Monday to take over back his full time duty here after his bougie vacation that he did go on, I want to just do a little exercise with you. I'm going to give you the division. You tell me who you think wins the division this year in the NFL. Just give me the team. Nothing else. AFC East. Who are you going with? Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

Okay. I can't crush her for that one. I think they're going to have a big year. I don't want to admit it, but I think they're going to have a big year. I've been floating that out there that everyone says two is going to be hurt this year.

Probably means they'll be healthy. And they'll win the division. They're stacked. AFC North. Bengals. Okay. AFC South. This one's not tough. It's Jaguars.

Wow. You said that as if you're like, oh, it's the Jaguars. It's not a fun division. AFC West. The Chiefs. Okay. Good.

McKeon's just not being a troll today. So you then have three wildcard teams to select in the AFC. Who are your three wildcard teams in the AFC with Brian Jack McKeon saying that the division winners are the Dolphins, the Bengals, the Jaguars, and then the Kansas city.

How about those Chiefs? I don't know if there's a lot of pushback here, but. Well, wait, this is a controversial one that you think?

No, I think this is very obvious. Okay. Go ahead.

I don't think that many people could have a pushback. Mm-hmm. Go ahead. Jets, Bills, Ravens. Jets, Bills, Ravens. I guess the Ravens is the most controversial one. Well, I wouldn't even say word it that way that the Ravens are the most controversial because you could easily make a case for the Ravens.

I agree. It's just because of the Browns existing there, we all guessed about their roster being loaded and stuff. That's not even where I'm going. Patriots.

It's not even where I'm going. Okay. The Chargers. The Chargers have a lot of talent.

Why do they not fall apart? I don't trust Kellen Moore. I don't trust Brandon Staley, but they could fall apart in the playoffs. And Austin Ecklund, by the way, is going to join us on Monday. So I would say that regardless if he was joining us or not, but, you know, thankfully I won't be here.

Chargers should be a playoff team. That'd be funny. Hey, Austin. Austin is like the most media friendly person ever. He wrote me a thank you note after coming on the show. So he's like the nicest guy ever in the world and understands like the athlete media relationship. I think he would kind of laugh and go, good for him.

Good for that guy. If I told him that, that the guy producing the show didn't think the Chargers were going to make the playoffs. There's talent in the AFC. The problem is that AFC is loaded. There are playoff spot. Like there is that bottom tier of the playoffs that's loaded.

That's available. I think. I don't think they're good enough. I think they fall off every single year at some point.

I believe in Herbert. Don't get me wrong. They fall off every year at some point.

Here's also the difficult part. You put three AFC East teams in there. Looking at it totally makes sense. Tough to argue. I feel like every year we always make one division is the greatest division ever could get three or four playoff teams in.

And then that team either sends only one or two teams. You're right. You're right.

But here's the thing. Are the dolphins missing the playoffs? Just yes or no. The dolphins missed the playoffs.

It's not inconceivable. Tua gets hurt. You trust in Mike White. If he gets hurt. But if he doesn't get hurt, I think that they're easy.

They're loaded. They're easily a playoff team. Are the Bills making the playoffs? They should.

Okay. The other one is the Jets. And I think the Jets are loaded as a roster.

And again. But they are the Jets. They are the Jets.

And here's the problem. If that first half of their schedule is very complicated. They have a very difficult start to their season. I don't want to hear excuses. You got a roster good enough. Don't tell me excuses.

No, no, no. Don't get me wrong. The talent's there. The quarterback's there.

And again, this is a team that won seven games last year with no quarterback. So you better get it done. But go on to the NFC. Yeah. I was going to say. I go. You're like an NBA player. I got to give you some load management here.

I need you to. A little less talking right there. NFC East. Who's your division winner? Not close. NFC North.

Well, it could be close. Like Dallas is, you know, won 12 games last year, but I don't believe in Dallas to go to a Super Bowl. NFC North. Minnesota. Oh, you like the Vikings.

A lot of people don't like the Vikings. NFC South. Atlanta.

I like that one. And then NFC West. I mean, woof. I guess Seattle. Not the 49ers. I think Seattle's better than the 49ers. Wow. I do. It's not popular in San Francisco these days. You think Brock Purdy's going to put this on again?

But here's the thing. It does not matter who the quarterback has been for San Francisco. They find the way bare minimum to get to the NFC title game. I've said for months, best team in the NFC, Eagles, second best team, NFC, 49ers.

And then the third, I do like Seattle. But that's a ballsy there, taking them to win the division. I think Detroit gets in. Don't get me wrong.

I think they get in as a wild card. Okay. So you had Eagles, Vikings, Falcons, Seahawks. That's Brian Jack McKee and Notzack Yelp, 49ers fans. You already crushed me enough this week and you're a bunch of losers. I get it. I didn't do anything wrong. But I don't want you to start listening to the show and saying, oh, Zach picked the Seahawks to win the division.

Because that just wouldn't be true. My three wild cards are- You're going 49ers. Yeah. 49ers, Dallas, Detroit. Dallas, Detroit. Okay. I don't think that's crazy.

No. I think you have like, you could make a case to all seven teams that you made. Eagles would definitely be in. Seahawks would definitely be in. 49ers would definitely be in. Dallas would definitely be in. I don't see how Minnesota doesn't get in.

Because if you want to be down on them, that's fine. Every single year, they win 10 games. They finally do it every single year. That's not true. They don't win 10 games every year. But you look at the teams that are in the NFC. It's not, yeah.

That's not crazy. I have a sneaky one that I'd like to get your thought on. I'm not anti-Minnesota. I just don't like the direction they're moving in because I don't know where they're trying to go to. Sneaky one I'd love to get your thought on that I think can cause problems, though.

Washington. If they figure out their quarterback, the commanders, and I've said this before, I love the commander's roster. Great receivers in Tyron Mclaurin and Jahan Dotson. I like the running back room that they do have with Brian Robinson and Antonio Gibson.

Defensively, Chase Young got to start playing to the level that he was drafted at and they declined his fifth year option. But they have a good front seven. They haven't found the quarterback yet.

And in this league together, have a quarterback or you don't. And I know Sam Howell, before he went back to school, was perceived to be a first round pick. Even at times, the number one overall pick.

And then that didn't happen. He did go in the fifth round. They're rocking and rolling after going with Carson Wentz and Sam Howell. And we'll see if they can find the way to get it right. If Howell's good, then they got a chance to make the playoffs this year, no doubt.