What Comes Next at Northwestern (Hour 2)

TV radio personality in Chicago, David Hall will join us and he will join us in 20 minutes from now to react to all the latest at Northwestern. But first up, let's update you on some of the biggest stories in the world of sports with some audio.

We call this segment The News Brief. So Randy Oroszarena wins the home run derby last night. Let's hear, or excuse me, Vladimir Guerrero won the home run derby last night. Let's hear Vladimir Guerrero say he's honored to win the derby. I feel very, very happy about that. I'm very proud. And I always say I really believe that when you work very hard, it pays off.

And that was through an interpreter. Vladimir Guerrero says he was more tired this year in the derby than he was four years ago. In 19, I was younger. So, I mean, I swung harder. I didn't get tired that often. But now I'm older now, so, you know, I couldn't swing as hard as I want.

And I got tired real quick, too. Julio Rodriguez is stunned to learn that he set the record for the most home runs in a single round in the home run derby. When did you find out that you set a record in the first round? Did I?

Right now is now when you're finding out? Yeah. How do you feel? You set a record for the most home runs in a single round in the derby. That's pretty good.

I'll take it. It's kind of crazy, EJ. It's almost as the equivalence of when in the first round of a dunk contest, someone puts up a perfect score and then in the other round, the other guy was like way off. But then ultimately throughout the dunk contest, the other person just ends up being the better dunker. Yeah, it's happened. I think a couple of times in dunk contests were like there was a guy who clearly in the first round did really well, but then didn't finish strong.

It's maybe not the best example. But, you know, Aaron Gordon in the year where he lost to Zach Lavigne, it felt like he came out much hotter than Lavigne and then perhaps Lavigne maybe outlasted him. I think he got robbed. But yeah, that's essentially what happens in this derby. Guerrero essentially was the Julio Rodriguez from four years ago. He came out like a gangbusters, but then he got outlasted by Pete Alonso by the time he got to the final round.

And here basically you have the same thing with this where Guerrero may start off a little slow, but it's about just winning your individual rounds and he won the individual round every time he ended up winning. Do you remember when D Wade messed up the scoring? Oh God, D Wade. I think that was the second time that Gordon got screwed because he got screwed first time with Lavigne in Toronto. And then the second time he jumped over Taco Fall, who's seven foot seven, and Dwayne Wade wanted to help his boy, who was on his team, one of the guys that was on the heat. That guy ended up winning unnecessarily. It was ridiculous. Can I give a Britney Spears reference? I guess I can now these days in the year 2023. Maybe everybody knows Britney now.

We've seen Victor with the llama and the whole conservative ship. Yeah, basically Dwayne Wade was like, oops, I did it again. Shoei Otani says the drive to win gets even stronger every year via an interpreter. Those feelings get stronger year by year. It sucks to lose. He wants to win.

So it's stronger every year. So you hear that and isn't the easy thought right away to assume EJ, oh, well, if you want to win, you got to leave the Angels, right? Right. The thing is, though, just because someone says that yesterday on July 10th, I don't know if that necessarily means that Shoei Otani is going to leave the Angels. Yeah, that that that like soundbite doesn't move me to think that he's definitely going to leave. It just says that he wants to win. I mean, I know, I guess because of the free agency that's moving, people read into it. But like, yeah, he wants to win more and more every year. Like that's every athlete. That doesn't mean that the athlete is looking to leave the team he's at. And also, even though the Angels have given you no reason to think that they're anywhere close to actually winning, you never know what he actually thinks in terms of the personal life, living where he is right now, liking the organization, being there from the start. It may be you look at them and you go, all right, it's not a great organization right now. Now we're close to winning, but I could put lipstick on the pig to try to make the pig a little bit more attractive. But at the end of the day, it's still a pig. Yep.

And he could also be thinking as well. Look, like if I resign here, maybe it makes other players more likely to want to join me here in Anaheim. Yeah, that's the thing, though. There's been a lot of star players that have gone to the Angels. Yeah.

All right. Mike Trout has been there. We've seen in years past Albert pools go there.

Rendon Rendon, even though he's he's really fallen out. So they've been able to get star talent throughout the years. But the pitching, if you take Ohtani off that staff, I want to know what the numbers are in that staff, because outside of Ohtani, no one scares you there in that starting rotation. And it's been a long time that they haven't had a guy besides Ohtani. I don't know what's been going on. I know that farm system hasn't necessarily been the greatest either. And that's probably honestly where the money needs to be spent.

They've been spending it on free agents, but they probably need to rehaul their entire organization from the bottom up. And that's it's crazy. I've been doing this show for four years.

I did the weekend overnights for two years. So that's six years at CBS Sports Radio all throughout those six years. Because if it wasn't for Ohtani, then it was for Trout. Make the postseason, make the postseason. It's always been the pitching with the Angels and the pitching has never progressed.

None. And it compounds the issues when you're Rendoned and your pool holes that don't perform the way you thought they would. Because if you have those guys hitting 30 home runs and 100 RBIs, hitting 300 every year, OK, maybe you can get by just by just bludgeoning teams with your bats. But like they can't even do that because a lot of the guys they have signed, they haven't necessarily produced.

Let's hear Shoaah Ohtani once again through his interpreter says he's not sure if he's opened the door for future two way players. I don't feel like I've opened the doors for them, but I just I was like one of the first ones to do it. So I wanted to be as successful as possible. So the guys like the younger guys that follow will have an easier or better opportunity to do both ways.

So here's the compelling part about this. Going to Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, ever since he's had this ridiculous success, every year during the draft, there is one player that people say he's not Patrick Mahomes, but he could be like anywhere between 50 to 75 percent of Patrick Mahomes. And we've seen that whether it was Zach Wilson, Jordan Love, every year they're Anthony Richardson. There's a player that gets the comp of he's not Patrick Mahomes. But if you're looking for someone like Patrick Mahomes, he could be somewhere close to Patrick Mahomes. I wonder with Major League Baseball if that starts to happen where everyone's going to try to go find the next Shoaah Ohtani.

But here's the difficult part of that. Yeah, when you're younger, you could be pitching and then you could be mashing at the plate. But eventually I feel like now in society we tell the great pitchers, forget about the hitting.

And I know in college we see guys do both clearly. I wonder though with Ohtani if it does kind of have that Mahomes-like effect where now people try to find that next Ohtani. So then they start to instruct other people, all right, you could go be an elite pitcher. Oh, you're a really good hitter in high school. Now keep on doing it in the minors.

Yeah. And I actually wonder if there are guys who are maybe on the very lower levels who maybe they at first thought, hey, we're going to make you only a pitcher or only a position player. They think, hey, you know what, go get a bat and let's see what you still got there. I mean, think about it. Jacob DeGrom was a position player coming up when he got drafted and, you know, he was converted into a pitcher. Like, imagine if prospects are so weird with Major League Baseball.

Yeah, they really are. Like, imagine if like DeGrom was like, they said, no, we're going to let you pitch, but we're going to keep you as like, I think he was a catcher. Like, I mean, maybe he could have been maybe he could have been the greatest player ever. Think about him as a pitcher. Yeah. The only thing is, though, with Major League Baseball making the DH now full time in the National League, is that are people going to be, even though with what Ohtani's done and you've seen him be able to get in the field, you know, get at the plate almost every day and then also pitch every fifth day. I wonder with taking, for the most part, the pitcher hitting, if that then really wires people to go, OK, you pick one or the other now.

Yeah, I mean, well, we're in a world now where everything is specialized. So like even kids growing up, like we talk about two way sports. You know, the first two way sport was, you know, a Deion Sanders or Bo Jackson, you know, playing literally two different sports. Like we don't have that anymore because kids, when they're 16 years old, 15 years old, 14, said, hey, you're only going to play basketball. You're going to play football. So like that specialized mindset starts so young that like to reverse that now and say, OK, you know what? Even though you play two positions, we're going to try to develop both.

It just is so like against what we've been doing now for decades. And look at someone like Kyler Murray, who was drafted, what, in the top 15, top 10 for baseball. We know he's the number one overall pick in football. And he got annoyed with all the questions about, do you pick baseball? Do you pick football? Do you pick baseball? You pick football. And at sometimes he's like, why can I do both? Right. And ultimately he picked football and they always threatened maybe him going back to baseball.

But I don't think that will ever be the case. Let's hear from Trailblazers GM Joe Cronin, who says, Lillard's situation isn't frustrating right now. Frustrated? No, it's I understand. I mean, I think that obviously is a place that he wants to be and that makes sense for him. You know, as far as the rest of the makeup of the team and all that as a team, you always hope that, you know, you have more options and to have limited options like that is, I wouldn't call it frustrating, but it prevents you from, you know, perhaps seeking out the best return.

So, you know, it's something we'll have to work through. And let's hear more from Joe Cronin. He says he understands why Dame wants out. It wasn't necessarily intentional. It was just doing what's best for this team. I kept doing that and I could see why, you know, Dame would look at it and say, well, this isn't a win now opportunity as much as or at least as much of a win now opportunity as some other places. So from that regard, I mean, I understand his position and I respect it. And it makes sense to me why he would look to go elsewhere.

And one more for the Blazers GM. He says the goal in trade negotiations is to maximize return. In any deal, the goal is to come out with the best outcome. So for us, I mean, that can be many different things. We could weigh the, you know, it could be more of a win now player and that would be intriguing to us. It could be a young player in picks and that would be intriguing. It could be just picks and we would look at that as well. For us, it's what can we how can we maximize this return? And I don't think we have any set parameters. It's we would evaluate each deal case by case and choose the best one. EJ, the more and more I think about this, I do believe that inevitably game will wind up in Miami. So then you may say how long you actually going to wait? I kind of think by game one, though, he's still going to be on Portland and this is going to drag out for a while.

Where are you at on that? I can't see that. I think with the Blazers, they have Scoot Henderson, who I know he only played, you know, half of summer league game, but looked dynamite. And he's going to be your point guard and he's going to be the face of the team, the leader of the team at this point. I think to have that situation hovering around while trying to usher in a 19 year old starting point guard might be too much for them. Like maybe there's a different player, different position. Maybe I could see that. I think having them around by that point in time would be that would be a big distraction.

I feel like they'll try to move before then. Don't get me wrong. It doesn't make sense to do so. But in the NBA, a lot of things that don't make sense, don't make sense.

It happened anyway, for sure. The Blazers, they want to do right by Dame, but they also have to do right by themselves. So that should be their number one priority.

And you kind of look at it. I do think they'll find a way to get a deal done with Miami. But I would kind of challenge Dame where we want to be respectful to you.

But if Boston gives us a great package or if Philly gives us a great package, why wouldn't he go there? Both those teams could win a championship with Damian Lillard. Yeah, I mean, the Dame Lillard thing is bizarre because this is a guy who's been all about hustle, loyalty, respect, like John Cena. And like I wasn't expecting that reference right now.

I was a big You Can't See Me fan of John Cena as a kid. But I feel I really feel that's been like Dame Lillard's mantra. Now that he's going with this whole, oh, I'll sit out.

I want to play there, even though we're talking about sending him to really good teams. It seems so anti what Dame Lillard has been about. I don't know if this is just his agent doing all this because he knows this is the best way to get him to Miami and what Dame wants.

But I wonder if they understand the damage that's being caused to his reputation by acting this way. This was via, I believe I'm saying this name correctly, Danilo Licali on TikTok. Here is Justin Jefferson, who's one of my favorite interviews ever. He lists his top five quarterbacks and he left one name out that some people are saying interesting. I have to say number one, D. Patrick Holmes. Got to give it to him in the AVP. Number two, I have to say Aaron Rodgers.

Got to give it to him. Number three, Joey D. It's the only respect. Number four, I have to pick Jalen Hurts. Got to respect his game and bring in Philly to the championship. And then number five, I have to say Josh Allen.

You know, that's my father. I can't disagree with any of those five names, but people then are going to say he didn't put his own quarterback in there. If you're one of those people saying that. There's no way Kirk Cousins, a good quarterback, is not great. There's no way you can make an argument that he's top five. But do you think do you think Kirk Cousins is happy that he didn't list them in his top five? I don't think he cares. I don't think he does either. But that's the thing.

I don't know if it's so much the outside noise that matters. I think it more matters. Did he actually P.O. his own quarterback? And let me let me bring some news here to Kirk Cousins. If it turns into a battle between Kirk Cousins and Justin Jefferson, Justin's going to win that one. Oh, yeah.

I'm just going out on a limb. I know we're going to get to David Hall, but one more. Here's Zion Williamson. And he said it was hard to die when he was a younger player in the league. Is it hard to die at your age? Be honest. You be real. There are times when I wasn't. It's hard, man. Like 20, 22.

A lot of money, all the money in the world, man. It is hard, but I'm at that point now where there's a certain being put back by wisdom around me. I want to see older people around me with wisdom.

Put me on game certain things and go from there. That was courtesy of Gil's arena. I guess that Gilbert's arena says podcast. I actually I know a lot of people are going to clown him for this Zion Williamson. I remember Tom Brady used to say that if it wasn't for Willie McGinnis, he wouldn't have taken as great care as he's been taken care of with his body.

And now look where it's turned into with TB 12. But you're a young person. You get all this money. You're going out to all these clubs.

You're getting all this great food. You're drinking all this alcohol, even though you should be on the court playing a lot. He has been on the court a lot. So you're not really burning a lot of those calories. It doesn't surprise me that Zion's in bad shape there.

And, you know, you're in the city of New Orleans, one of the best cities in the world. So I'm not surprised by that. I thought it was interesting, though, that he prefaced it as to like that was something that he dealt with in the past. That's not something he's already dealing with, even though we see him still struggling.

Right. You know, and like, yeah, you know, so I thought that that was interesting. He made it sound like something that was behind him when this was something that's been on the forefront. I mean, all those weird things happening on Twitter with, you know, said whatever woman he was dealing with kept mentioning that as one of his issues. Like, I thought it was weird how he couched it as something that was something that was behind him. Most people who acknowledge his injuries and all the issues he's had, they feel like it's something he's still struggling with. Well, maybe right now, because he does look like he's in better shape right now. Maybe he just operated.

He said he was up when I was 20 years old. That's like two, three years ago. Yeah. Good point. All right. We'll take a break. When we come on back, we'll connect with David Hall about all the latest at Northwestern.

All right. Let's talk about the situation at Northwestern. We'll do so right now with a long time radio and TV host in the Chicago area. You can listen to him weekdays on the score in Chicago, Mully and Haugh.

And you can also check him out on NBC Sports Chicago. That, of course, is our pal in David Haugh. David, appreciate the time.

How are you? Exactly. It's been quite a week. It's been stunning to follow what's going on in Northwestern. The last thing I think anybody who has been in Chicago for more than five minutes expected to cover was a hazing scandal at Northwestern.

Yes. So yesterday, when it comes down that they're going to move on from Pat Fitzgerald, it's weird because what happened over the weekend, David, it wasn't stunning, but it was still in some way surprising just because a few years ago this guy's getting talked about for NFL jobs. You know what he's meant not only as a player, as a coach, the university.

No doubt about it. Pat Fitzgerald didn't symbolize Northwestern football. Pat Fitzgerald was Northwestern football.

Been there for 17 years. This would be the last guy in the Big Ten, one of the last guys in America that you would have expected to be presiding over a hazing scandal. And yet there were 11 players that corroborated the claims of a whistleblower who was a backup player on the 2022 Northwestern team, who came forward at the end of last season and made some claims that were very specific in nature. And it revealed cracks in the foundation and it revealed a practice that was very odd, bizarre, sexualized, hazing. And the details are disturbing, Zach, and they were outlined in the report. So what happened was the way it was handled raised a lot of questions and doubt that didn't need to exist by Northwestern, the university and the president's office.

The bottom line is they ultimately did what I think a lot of people knew they needed to do. You can't tolerate hazing in 2023. It's not a rite of passage where everybody is boys will be boys and wink, wink, nod, nod. This is a different era.

It's a different climate. They did the right thing. But the way it was handled, I think, raised more questions about the leadership at Northwestern and made you wonder if Pat Fitzgerald will be the only person losing his job as a result of this investigation.

Yeah, that's what I said earlier, David Hall, who's with us on CBS Sports Radio. It seems with the initial two week suspension that they tried to sweep this under the rug. And then when student journalists got the truth out there to the public, it wasn't any new information to the university. It was just that they were exposed and then they realized, OK, we have to get rid of the coach.

But that doesn't leave everyone off the hook that was involved in that decision making process. They should lose their job now, too. They certainly need to take a good, hard look. And the board of trustees needs to ask some real tough questions because the president, Michael Shill, looked at the same set of circumstances and evidence on Friday and concluded and announced that Pat Fitzgerald will serve a two week suspension. Twenty four hours later, the Daily Northwestern aired or published a story that it included explosive details about the allegations and about the nature of the hazing. And that was when at 11 o'clock on Saturday night, when most people are not checking their Twitter feed, that Michael Shill said, I'm going to reconsider and reassess the discipline.

He reacted and buckled to public pressure. Now, even though he made the right decision, the way he got there raises doubts about his leadership. Derek Gragg was on vacation, the athletic director.

He told the players what was happening via Zoom in five minutes without taking questions. There are a lot of serious questions that need to be addressed by the administration at Northwestern. Oh, by the way, Zach, on Monday, also in the midst of this six, seven, the score where I am employed on the Molyneux show reported that the baseball coach is overseeing and dealing with his own mess because he is is has a toxic culture he's created. So this is something very unbecoming of any athletic department and something, frankly, you just don't expect to see at a place like Northwestern. And it's crazy to me that in the year of twenty twenty three, where especially when you're on a college campus and how many people now have outlets to get information out there, how they thought that they could just kind of sweep this under the rug. And it's almost like an arrogance and them just being really stupid, which I could say that's surprising, but we've seen that before in college athletics.

We've seen it before. There's a hubris involved. I think that's part of it. I also think that there's an expectation that this is not to get too deep into the weeds and to make a long story short, Northwestern football is not covered in Chicago in this market the way that it used to be.

A lot of reasons for that. I used to work at the Chicago Tribune, the Chicago Sun Times. They used to have writers assigned to covering Northwestern sports.

They no longer do full time. The Daily Northwestern is as much of a check and balance as you're going to get in that climate, in that culture. You're going to find things that slip through the cracks and maybe just maybe the president of Northwestern saw that as an opportunity to have a Friday news dump, announce a two week suspension and think that people might say, well, OK, that's Northwestern. We'll pay attention to them when they're making a run for the Big Ten championship.

Until then, we'll take the word for it. They were wrong. The student journalists did their job. They're the only people in this saga that have really done their jobs in an exemplary way. Wrapping up with David Haugh, how much does it matter what Pat Fitzgerald actually knew? Because I said the other day, David, if he did know, clearly he should lose his job. But if he didn't know, then I would still say he has to lose his job as well, because these coaches, they know almost everything that goes on in their program. Zach, I've been a longtime supporter of Pat Fitzgerald and I always believed in the fact that when he said everything starts and ends with the head coach, you believe him because he was that kind of head coach. Every detail was was in his control.

So you're right. Either he did know and that was a fireball offense because he or he or he should have known, because when somebody invites the kind of scrutiny that that kind of statement invites, everything that happens begins and ends with me at a program, then it's the scrutiny that he he deserves. And so what happens with that is that the accountability comes with that. And Northwestern, at the end of the day, held Pat Fitzgerald accountable in the way that he asked them and everyone to do. He lost his job. He was fired. I believe it was the right move, even though it wasn't handled in a way that I would call professional. If he wasn't the football program, would he have just been fired from the start?

I believe that's a great question. And I think you're right. I think that maybe some of these allegations were so disturbing and heinous that if you're talking about a guy who was from the Mid-American Conference, who took a leap up the coach of the Big Ten in his third season, he'd have been gone yesterday. Pat Fitzgerald was probably given the benefit of the doubt because he is the guy that was and defined and the Northwestern football. And the reason they're building an eight hundred million dollar stadium at Ryan Field is the reason they have a two hundred sixty million dollar facility on the lakefront. He was the reason they believed in the possibility of Northwestern football and that he was given every chance to prove that that was justifiable faith.

But that's why this makes it stunning and a little bit sad. So where does Northwestern go from here? I saw today they're going to retain their assistant coaches.

Do they try to go bring someone in or is this more so you just got to wait till November or December? I can't understand the assistant coaches move. I mean, these guys were complicit in all of this. They were in that culture. They did not police that locker room.

That really surprised me. I can't wait to attack that in the morning. But I'll tell you what, they need somebody that represents integrity, has some gravitas. I don't know who would be interested. It will be a difficult job because of the cleanup project. I don't know who's making the decision to hire the next coach.

I mentioned the name this morning on the Molyneux show of David Shaw, somebody from Stanford who has been through before. I do think that number one, you need somebody with experience. Number two, you're probably not going to get somebody that looks at this as a great opportunity to leave. Maybe it's not like it fits. We're going to the NFL and the job was open.

This is something that's going to maintain and require a lot of patience and perseverance. So it's got to be the right guy. And I don't have much faith in the Northwestern administration to get it right. I think they have to get those questions answered before they're able to look ahead and see what's best for the football program. When do you think we'll get clarity on on everybody else? Like we just talked about the assistant coaches, but like we were talking about earlier, David Hall, that they thought they could cover this up. Then soon internalists did their job and exposed the university. There's got to be other people to pay here.

I would think so. And I just don't know how exhausted they want this to be. If they're retaining the assistant coaches, they kind of said to me, they're holding Pat Fitzgerald solely responsible for the culture that was created, which I think is shortsighted.

And they have a blind spot. So Derek Gragg is finally back from his European vacation. So he'll spend enough time to maybe dig into this. And I can't wait to hear from them.

This is remarkable. Northwestern, at a place that takes pride in this journalism school, that understands how perception affects reality, has yet to have a press conference addressing this in front of a camera, a microphone and reporters. That's not accountability.

That's tone deaf. Once they do that, I'll have a better sense of where this is headed. Last thing I'll ask you here, when it comes to the Northwestern situation, do you think you guys will get Pat Fitzgerald on this week? Do you think he'll do an on camera or behind the mic interview?

I do not, Zach. I think the other big headline from this was a statement that Fitz released last night. He has retained a very high powered Chicago lawyer. He is going to challenge his dismissal.

I think this will be about what the size of the settlement will be. He signed through 2030. But again, he's going to challenge the fact that it was a two week suspension that was mutually agreed upon. And then because of public pressure, the president changed gears and fired him 48 hours later based on the same set of circumstances. So because there will be litigation, I don't think that he will be as public as he might be had he been fired for cause ordinarily. Right now, in the midst of a lawsuit with that pending, I think that Fitz will probably maintain a low profile and just be somebody who is going to be out of work for a while, uncharacteristically.

But I just don't think he's going to be very vocal either because his legal advice, smart legal advice, will be to lay low. Last thing, now just shifting gears to the Chicago Bears just real quickly while we have you on. 3 and 14 last year, they had the number one overall pick. They trade it.

You end up getting DJ Moore in a king's ransom for it. Going in now for a big year for this Bears regime and Justin Fields. Where's the confidence at of Bears fans entering this season? Well, the confidence is sky high.

Chicago believes in Justin Fields. I don't know that he has been earned, but there's a rush to want to anoint him the next great thing in the NFL. I think he's got a lot of work to do. He's got to be more accurate. He's got to be more in time.

He may be the best running back in the NFC North, but he's got to be more polished as a passer. That will dictate how good their offense functions. They've got big holes in the defensive line, which I don't think they've answered. I don't know that I'm one of those guys that sees them making a big playoff push. I think they may flirt with respectability and possibly seven to eight wins, but I don't see this the season that they get over the top necessarily.

This is the no excuses tour as we termed it in Chicago for Justin Fields. He's got an opportunity to be great. He's got superstar potential, but he's got to do the little things better and make the simple throws more consistently before I'm ready to deem him a superstar in the making. He's got great tools. I hope he fulfills that potential because if he does in Chicago, he will be king here for a while. You guys need a quarterback. That goes without saying every year. Hey, what are the Bears going to be doing at quarterback?

And they never get an answer that ends up delivering. David Haught does a great job, Mullion Haught on the legendary six, seven to the score in Chicago. David, appreciate it. Thank you. Take that anytime. All righty. Let's take a time out. We'll react to the whole situation in Northwestern. The other side. All right.

Zach Gelb shows CBS Sports Radio. It's so funny when you hear one of those older rejoins and you know that that was during the pandemic when we were broadcasting from home, because it sounds even though the equipment has improved significantly from even when the pandemic happened, you know, first happened in terms of like if I go do a show at home, the piece of equipment they give me now is totally different what they gave me a few years ago. But it sounds there and I wasn't that I'm on speakerphone just yelling in like a closet, which I was actually in a basement just yelling. But looking back at those times each day, it's even though it wasn't funny.

It's kind of funny because I was sitting in my house in shorts, sometimes just, you know, boxers and shows in boxers. Really? Oh, yeah. Friday nights.

Oh, my. We're not on camera anywhere. That's funny. After we did the first two hours, I would take off the shorts and just go my boxers. And I'd always have a shirt on. I'd just be doing the show down the basement.

That's crazy. Like when I do the podcast at home for the Odyssey podcast, I do with the Knicks. Like I very I am on camera, but like, you know, chest.

I mean, very I could not wear pants. Yeah, but you're on camera, so you never know what could happen. You know, the camera falls down or if you get up, you know, maybe you want to fix something. Do you have any pets? I do. I have a dog leader. So if a dog like just runs into the room and you try to get the dog out while you're doing the podcast, you stand up there and make sure she's out before your orange and blue boxers. That'd be a little bit awkward. Yeah, exactly. So I would like to me, I also feel like I'd be too comfortable. Like, I think to me, like I think, you know, shot to Colin Cower.

I think he said something that like he doesn't tweet like he's wearing pants because like he's like, otherwise, I feel like I might be something a little a little too comfortable, a little too whatever. Like, I took that and I've always thought about that. You know what? Yeah.

If I remember recording anything, I want to make sure I'm close. I don't have to be wearing, you know, a suit or like something nice, but, you know, shorts and a shirt. It would only be on Fridays. It would only be on Fridays.

And here's why. Because when the pandemic first happened on Fridays, my friends and I would like all get on Zoom on Friday night. We'd be playing music. We'd be drinking, you know, doing other things. And I was just, you know, from the chest up on camera, I was like, for some reason, I just said, why not take the shorts off, be enjoyable? Because I knew eventually I wasn't going to make it up to my room and I was eventually going to just pass out on the couch or something like that. I mean, Godspeed. Like, I'm not I'm not even I'm not even tripping. I get it. I again, I wish I had that level of confidence and comfortability to feel like I can, you know, do a show in boxers. Well, that's why I give credit actually to Hickey, even though I think the shower no cap videos are cringe worthy at times.

He is naked while he's in the shower and he's only shooting from his very weird chest hair up where it's very all over the place and patchy with his chest hair. But if there's a reflection or if you think you're only shooting chest up and I don't know, somehow something else gets shown. And that takes some guts to put that out there. It is. And what scares me about that, too, because now people are so these hackers are so next level.

Yeah. My thing is maybe what I recorded was good, but me just have my camera. You know, maybe while you're getting set up, whatever, maybe, you know, you move your phone the wrong way and then something is showing. I wouldn't want that to somehow get out because hackers decide, oh, I found this guy naked on the Internet. And I found out is me getting ready for my no cap video. Like, don't don't be wrong. I'm confident with what I'm working with. But I don't want the whole world to see what I'm working with. Right. Of course.

And that's the thing with Hickey. I said I said to him when he he actually was put out these videos ago. Weird question. I know you're showering, but are you actually naked or when you're recording these videos? Do you have a bathing suit on? And he looked at me. He goes, are you serious? He goes, of course, I'm naked.

He goes, I'm taking a shower. And I go, oh, I thought you were, you know, maybe just some drugs or something like that. He's one of a kind. See, Hickey, it's weird because I call him hot. Take Hickey, as you know.

Yeah. So then he thinks that the listener thinks that he's intentionally trying to put out these hot takes. Hickey's just always wrong. Hickey is the most genuine person I've ever met. He doesn't believe in the shtick of radio and all that stuff. And that's what makes Hickey so good, I guess you could say, is because he's just intentionally a moron, unintentionally. If you get what I'm saying, he's not trying to be wrong.

He just happens to be wrong a lot. So that's why I thought it was funny when he was appalled when I asked that. He goes, what do you think? This is a shtick of me in the shower. I go, kind of. It's called shower.

No cap, because of course I'm naked in the shower. So I give it up to him because it takes a lot of confidence to to film yourself if you're naked, even if you're not shooting your your entire body. Yeah. It's a you know, again, he's one of a kind. Probably not the best topic to discuss and then go into this Northwestern situation, if we're being honest. But my takeaway from the David Hall situation, because sometimes when you do a national show, you hear things, but you don't hear everything. And then you bring on a local guy, well-respected like David Hall, and then he'll say, this is out there, but this is wrong or this is being said, but this is what really happened. And my interpretation of the events yesterday are just confirmed. Basically, what David Hall said was on Friday, they they go out there, they give a two week suspension news dump. Right. No one's going to talk about it.

Summer Friday. And then student journalists, which, you know, the way that Northwestern is covered from a football standpoint reminds me of like how Temple was covered when I was at the university. And, you know, the reason why I was able to make such a big impact in college, in the school media communication is because even though the Philadelphia Inquirer covered them.

It wasn't the way that the Inquirer recovered the other bigger teams. So I had an opportunity to create relationships and then report and talk about what I was seeing, and I had great access. So when you're on a college campus and you know, a lot of these students, students talk like I would get news information about a player that was kicked off the team before anyone else would. Because I knew the guys not only on the team, they wouldn't tell me that information, but it was people associated with the program where now I could say this, like, who cares? Like there were guys that were students that were working for the team that they see things they want to gossip.

They want to tell you because they're in the know. So when it gets to this situation, you have players talking to current, former, whatever, talking to the student journalists. And then the student journalists put out what the school knew happened, but thought they could get away with it.

And then it was, oh, my goodness gracious. Look at the public reaction, even though we just tried to sweep this under the rug, it got exposed. And it wasn't like it got exposed three years later, where maybe it's like old news and people don't care.

It got exposed a few days after your punishment, like a day after your punishment. So it's not as if that information from the student journalists was shocking to the people that were involved in giving Pat Fitzgerald a two week suspension. They all knew what happened, but it was the public reaction. I don't want to say a public reaction got him fired, but it was the university trying to hide the facts. And then once the facts were exposed, they got caught looking like a bunch of idiots and they had to fire him, which he deserved to lose his job. But just because Pat Fitzgerald loses his job doesn't mean that's it. Everyone that was a part of this decision making process deserves to lose their job now because they tried to cover it up.

And the cover up here is ridiculous. And that's why I asked David that, E.J., if he wasn't the football program as a legendary player and what he's done as a coach. Would this have been different? I think it would have. This would have been a guy that was just there for three years and they were like a good program.

I know they've been bad recently, but they were just a good program, but not great. I think the guy would have been out immediately. Yeah, but it's because they didn't know how to handle a legend who I don't know what he actually knew. But either you knew and you did nothing.

You're a disgrace or you didn't know. And then what control do you have of your program and how can you look at recruits parents in the eyes and say, I'm going to guarantee that your kid's going to come here for four years at Northwestern, get a great education, play football and I'm going to look after him and I'm going to look after his safety and well-being. How can you guarantee that? So this whole thing, I know there will be a group of people that go, oh, boys will be boys. This is just part of growing up. What? Like, if that's true, that since a player messed up in practice, a young player, that they're going to bring him into the locker room and they're going to dry hump him. What does that teach someone? I'm not saying there aren't lessons to be learned when you mess up as a young athlete, but there's certain ways to go about it. What that was that that was allegedly happening is the farthest thing from the how that should have been handled. So that's kind of my reaction to the entire thing. Pat Fitzgerald should be out of a job, but a lot of other people at Northwestern should be out of a job as well. This is that Gelb show on CBS Sports Radio. We will get into the latest about DeAndre Hopkins next and coming up at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific. We will chat with Chris Dillon, who is the co-director of Goliath, which is the new docuseries that's coming out soon about Will Chamberlain.