Leger Douzable, Former New York Jets Defensive Lineman

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Lee J. Appreciate the time as always. How you been? I'm good. Thanks for having me on again. I got to give you credit because we talked to you. I just wanted to make sure that you remember. I was not going to let you forget. I'm actually surprised that you remembered because there's so many things that I say that I don't even remember.

But for people that have no clue what we're talking about, we may need to ask Lee J. Do's a ball for the lottery numbers tonight because before the year started, you were the only person in America to check America, the world that said don't be surprised at the Jets finish in second place in the AFC. So I got to tip my cap to you, my friend. I appreciate that.

You know, it takes a big man to admit when you know, you were kind of trying to play me a little bit because you got, are you serious? The second or third place? I was like, do not be surprised. I just knew everything that Jets had added, the culture they were building. And I've been trying to tell everybody, nobody's afraid of the Patriots anymore.

Like nobody. Tom Brady is gone. The big bad wolf is gone. He's in Tampa now and they're even struggling there right now. So I really felt like it was going to be a push between them and the Miami Dolphins. They've had some injury issues. We've had some, but we've been over to overcome those injuries.

Yeah. The Patriots stink. And I said before the start of the season that they weren't going to make the playoffs, but I didn't think that they'd be sitting in the bottom of this AFC. I mean, the Chicago Bears ran through them. That's literally all you need to know. What did you make of the whole Belichick situation and handling the quarterbacks?

Cause that was one of the more bizarre things I've ever seen. The Patriots are smug. They've always been smug.

They really think they're just smarter than everybody. I mean, it goes back to the off season and you mentioned it, you know, I hope the five day a week show on Sirius XM, Mad Dog Sports Radio, called I Am Apley Tonight. And I remember I think in late July or even early when they decided to, you know, make Matt Patricia and Joe Judge and put them on offensive side of the ball. I said, this is going to hurt Mac Jones with development. Yeah. Think about it. He had a really bright offensive minded guy, Josh McDaniels, who ends up getting a job and leave him in and going for the Las Vegas Raiders. Right.

Congratulations. That's just supposed to do. He's supposed to elevate yourself. But the smugness and Bill Belichick to think that he can hire a guy just because he has a high IQ and he's been on the defensive side of the ball his whole career and think he's going to be a good officer coordinator. It's just like the pages really just think they can outsmart everybody.

And then I just hate how they operate and do things like, like reporters are asking you direct questions. If Matt Jones is healthy, does he retain his job? Whatever. Hypothetical questions. That's what that's a clear cut question. If the kid is healthy, does he go back to being a starter?

They just try to outsmart everybody. And the crazy thing is that it's like, it's not like him and Bailey's aptly are two different athletic quarterbacks. Like you're simply going to be preparing the same way we played the New England Patriots. So you doing that is not really changing how the defense of the coordinator is planning to play you that week.

And we saw it versus Chicago Bears. I think it matters when most of your offensive starters don't even know who's going to start in the game. Like a lot of them came out and said it Jacobi Meyers or Monterey Stevens and Hunter Henry. They all came out like we didn't know that Bailey's happy was going to play this game. I think they all assume that Matt Jones is going to be the starter again.

And then he gets pulled after pretty serious. Bailey's happy stays in and he goes to interceptions in the second half. Now they come out today and say, Matt Jones is going to be the starter. Well, actually Bill Belichick still hasn't formally said that, right?

Supposedly, Meg Jones took 90 percent of the snaps and the resources, I would throw quotation marks up with that. He will start this week, which I think is the right thing, right? He took a guy in the first round. He just don't give up on him that early because Bailey's happy had one decent game. And I love Bailey's happy.

I think he can spend it with some of the best of them. But if I get it twisted, that Cleveland Browns defense is horrible. And a lot of those passes down the field were busted coverages and guys were wide open. So I mean, Meg Jones was a guy that everybody was saying, you know, for me, we could be the next Tom Brady and now all of a sudden he's not going to have to be the starter anymore. I really do like Bailey's happy because I think he gives you that element as far as throwing the ball down the field. Mike Jones is more methodical. He's going to methodically move the ball down the field. I think Bailey, that gives you a different, you know, envelope when it comes to a guy that can really test you down the field. But the Patriots offense has always been decondensed and based off the run game.

So I think Meg Jones deserves the right to get back in the starting rotation. I don't think it's going to matter though, Zach, because they set this kid up to fail. But what they did this all season with his coaches. And it's not just the coaching because I'm in full agreement with you on the coaching Patricia and Joe judge coaching this kid up makes zero sense to me. Look at the teams that are starting to get some good play out of their young quarterbacks like a Jalen hurts in Philadelphia.

Also a two a tongue go by low in Miami. They're getting legit weapons around him and for years because you had Tom Brady, you could afford to lose a Randy Moss. You could afford to lose a Wes Welker.

And there was always that next guy up. You don't have Tom Brady anymore. So they got to go get legit number one wide receivers. And don't get me wrong, Jacobi Myers, nice player in this league, but he's their best receiver. He's not a number one wide receiver.

Yeah. And the crazy thing is that they've actually got good contributions from Devontae Parker. This is a guy that's been hurt his whole career. This is how I want to say low the Miami Dolphins think of him, but they trade them within his vision that says something.

Well, you're not worried about playing against the guy. Now, again, he's played actually really well. He's not a guy that really separates from defenders, but he's a guy that can go over and get the ball, you know, 50, 50 balls and one on one coverage. And he's actually done that pretty well this year, really gave him the spark the last few weeks and doing that with Bailey zappy.

We'll see if he can continue to stay healthy because that's always been his biggest issue. But like you said, as far as just like the playmakers around them, like some of the guys that they paid a lot of money to handle, like Jonathan Smith is a good player for some reason. They don't even run plays for him.

I don't, I don't understand it. You can see the elation and in him last week when Bailey zappy came in, he had a big explosive run at catch and even in the Cleveland game, like they don't use them. He usually gets like one target a game, which is absurd because he literally, I think got paid more than Hunter Henry in the beginning of last year. They used them more than how Henry started being the guy in the red zone. And I don't even use Jonathan Smith except for a glorified officer tackle.

So the guy, I just don't understand the game plan. Again, Tom Brady, when he was there and even now, but he's always been a quick dink and dunk guy, get the ball out of his hand, know exactly where to go with the football. And Mac Jones has kind of been that way as well. But that was with Josh McDangales last year. It just seems like the kid has lost, you know, this year has 16 and sessions and only three and a quarter games.

Like that's absurd. And I think it's because of the coaching and supposedly there was a rip up there. He was, he was no question in New England about why they hired these two guys to coach him. And then also an issue about his ankle injury, how he was supposed to handle it. They want him to get surgery.

He refused to do it. So we'll see how this plays out for the New England Patriots going forward throughout the rest of the year. Lije Duceval here with us. So the Jets, as we were talking about, to open things up or five and two to start off the season, unfortunate injury news with Breece Hall and Elijah Vera Tucker going down for the season. But I like in a moment like that where you wonder, okay, where the Jets going to go from here after losing two of their better offensive players, they go out and acquire James Robinson. It just shows you for the first time in a long time, the Jets have a competent coach and they also have a GM that knows what he's doing.

And it's funny that we're talking about this, because I literally think yesterday, about four or five hours before the trade happened, I literally tweeted free James Robinson and it had nothing to do with my jets, right? I would have loved that. And there's a couple of people were like, I would love to get them. People were like, we should get them.

And I was like, I would love to get them. I didn't think it was going to happen because I thought Jackson will be stupid as hell to trade them over there. But they've disrespected him for two years. Urban Meyer, for whatever reason, didn't care about him. And because Urban drafted ATM in the first round, you kind of have to use now ATM, but Robinson's a heck of a player.

No, it's Trent Bokeh. It goes down to him. Like, again, when you draft a guy in the first round and you have a running back going into a second year to have a thousand yards, I want to say over 13, 1400 all-purpose yards, like you don't draft the running back in the first round. When you have that and you have it for cheap deck, he was an undrafted free agent. Yeah, there was no reason for Travis ATM to be that, uh, get drafted in the first round. He goes down and James Robinson does what he always does.

He played extremely well. Now going into this year, it was supposed to be 50 50 flow. And if you look at the first three weeks of the season, even though James Robinson came off the Achilles, he was playing really well the first three weeks. The last three weeks, I don't know, Trent Bokeh got in Doug Peterson's head and like, Hey, we got to really start featuring this kid Morgan.

I took him in the first round, but that's dumb. That was the dumbest thing they could have ever done, right? They should have kept it at 50 50. And if you heard James Robinson speak today to reporters up in New York, that's literally what he thought. He was like, I thought it was going to be 50 50.

It started off that way. And then, you know, they tried to use my knee soreness as an issue. He was like, I've always had knee soreness, like, you know, playing running back, you're going to get beat up. So I'm going to be a little sore, but he was like, I was healthy enough to play. I mean, I played 12 snaps and he gave me one carry last week.

So I was just glad that he, he, he got released and was free, not released, but released as far as being on, uh, you know, being in jail in Jacksonville and them not using them and disrespecting them for, for the last two years. Now he goes to a team again. He's not brief. All this guy is perfectly fit for this office as far as a one cut get downhill runner. That's what he does now.

Breece Hall is a different element because of how explosive it is. He can take one 50, 60 yards with James Robinson, even though he had one of those ones this year already versus chargers, he's going to get you to some tough four or five ones that turn into 20 yards. He's a hard guy to bring down. And I think the most important thing, I think that Michael for really loves is his past protection ability in the back, in the back field. That's going to help that Wilson feel comfortable in the pocket where he can throw the ball down the field and I have to evade the finish and try to leave the pocket too early because he has a running back that will stand up in there and block for him.

LeeJ, do the ball here with us. All right, mr. Claire Voin at your big jets prediction before the start of the year. How are we talking about Zach Wilson at the end of the season? It's to be determined, to be honest, Zach, you got to think this guy missed seven weeks because of the knee injury that he sustained in the first preseason game, right? So essentially the last four games have been the preseason for Zach Wilson right now.

I think more is going to be asked of him now with the loss of Elijah, Vera Tucker, and also the loss of Breece Hall. But this, like, don't get it twisted. This, this offense is based off the run game. The Shanahan tree, if you look at it, right, everything is based off the run game. They're going to run the football. Now I do. I think they go on the uptick of that potentially throwing 25 times a game instead of just 18 or 20.

Yes. I think he ends up throwing, you know, a little bit more as the season goes on. We know the issue with Elijah Moore asking for a trade. He was back at practice. I'm not saying all is well with that because I think he's going to have to earn some of the respect back from his teammates. I think they started trying to get him and Garrett Wilson going more this week.

And again, I think he's going to be based off the run game. And as that gets more comfortable, I think Michael When it comes to Russell Wilson, it seems like he's just trying too hard to be a star and he's losing focus on football. If I was a teammate of his, I would, I know you can't pull him aside because he's the quarterback.

They just gave him all that money. I'd be like, dude, just stop. Like you're so cringe worthy. That guy's got to be laughing at him right now. Right? Man, I've been like, what, like, what can you say?

Like you said, in the region gave him 160 plus guaranteed. So it's like, we go to him like, yo, ref, I know you've been doing this for 10 years, but come on, bro. Like, like you're doing, you're just doing a little bit too much. Like what player on that team is comfortable to do that?

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's like you damn if you do, you damn if you don't, you don't say anything to him. It's like he continues to do it and he might do it anyway, whether you say something to him or not. And then it's like, who's comfortable enough to go out there and say that?

I think literally the only person on that team that has that type of dues right now is Patrick Surtrane II. Like he's a young guy, so he's not got to go say anything to, uh, to Ruffin-Wolfin. I think he's just living and really leaning into it now at this point because there's no way as much as he is on social media, he doesn't see what everybody's saying.

You know? So I think he's literally just leaning into it now because that's literally what it is as far as, you know, people are calling him corny or as you said, cringe worthy. I think he just is going with the flow because at this point he's like, I mean, what else can, you know, what else can go wrong?

Like I've played worse than I've ever played in my career. You know, the subway commercial comes out, that's a little corny, but it's kind of right up his alley and it's good marketing for him. How about today the high knees on the airplane going out to London?

Like, come on, that's a bunch of bull crap. It's almost like he's just trying to be seen now, you know? I would say simply far away as possible from that guy if I was on that flight. That's a guy that doesn't shut up during a flight. Eight hours.

This is my thing. I put it this sounds like I was like, so you're telling me you did a workout for four hours. You were on that plane funky for four hours because it's four more hours after that. So you were sitting on that plane. I don't know who he was sitting next to. He's probably in first class. I flew out to London.

Most of the starters sitting in first class or the veteran guys sitting first class. Whoever you was next to you was probably like, bro, you just don't sweat on this flight before we got four more hours on here. Did you at least get a shower pill? You know what I'm saying? Like the little wipes, the shower fill wipes and wipe yourself off. Like, dude, what are you doing? We got four miles on this plane.

You're going to be breathing hard and sweating and stink. If you'd take a guess, we're Sean Payton coaching next year. Everything in my heart tells me Dallas, right? And the only way Dallas, Michael Carter, I think stays in Dallas is if they go to the NFC championship. That's like, that's the floor for them because everybody knows the relationship that Jerry Jones and Sean Payton has. Which is a shame because he's actually done a good job this year since that's gone down.

Yeah, he has. So I think some respect needs to be paid to him. I just think Jerry loves Sean Payton, right? And again, if they agree to the NFC championship, I think it's they'll be hard pressed. So you can't really fire coach to get to the NFC championship. But if they get bounced first round again, guarantee Sean Payton is going to Dallas. I would want the Chargers job. I'd be rooting for Brandon Staley to keep up with my God. If he could do with J Herbo, man, that is a mess made and I would love for him to go to talk to the way Brandon Staley coaching. Yeah, he might be about it after this year. You know what job I wouldn't want. I would not want the Broncos job. I'll tell you that.

Yeah, that's tough. And honestly, there's rumors that they don't beat the Jaguars, which again, if you look at the history, the Jaguars on fire in London, right? They're doing the London team. So it kind of sucks from the day you hack it because he's actually going into a butt saw because definitely usually lose up there in London. So there's rumors that if he loses this week, he could potentially be out of there after this week.

Last thing that I'll just let out to you, Liget do the ball is always great when he joins us on the Zach Gelb show. LeFlore 13 and three is first three years in the league. Rogers last week saying they need to simplify the offense this week. He's saying guys to keep on making mistakes.

It's time to cut those reps. Is there a chance this off season with that dead cap number so large of Aaron Rogers were to retire that Roger Rogers tries to force out Matt LeFlore? I mean, I think he tried to do it his first year, right? And supposedly Brian Goudekes said, don't make trouble, you know, for the head coach.

But I go to this, right? Before came into a ready-made situation, right? I know Mike McCarthy got fired, but like he still had one of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever seen. They revamped the whole defense that all season. They got guys like Preston Smith, Zadarius Smith as well. They were Sean Gary got drafted. Like he came into a great situation.

Let's not get it twisted. When he was with the Tennessee Titans as all of the corner, he was middle of the pack. Like people tend to forget that because of all their wins. They've had the first three years. Now again, Aaron Rogers didn't play extremely great the first year and it's hard for any quarterback in this system to play extremely great in the very first year to difficult systems to Shanahan tree. But let's not forget Aaron Rogers has back to back MVP. Like it had MVPs before Matt LaFleur was there. So like this team was a made ready team. It'll be interesting if they say they don't make the playoffs.

Do they potentially, I mean, can you fire coach who's had so much success, even though it's practically based off of what the quarterback has done. It'd be something interesting to look at in this long season Zach. Leisure do's of always great to catch up with you. Thanks so much. I'm sure we'll get you on again soon and we'll make fun of something I got wrong and that you got right. I appreciate you.