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And we still are, after all these years, we're still the voice of the Christian resistance. And tonight we have a lot, we got some exciting things to talk about tonight. And tonight joining us out there. Well, first of all, our producer, the one we got locked up in that glass cage with the dials and the smiles, is Seth. Hey Seth. Good evening, Pastor. And then we, well we have tonight Pastor Richard Lewis is joining us. Hey Richard. Good evening, Pastor.
Doing great. Good to have you here, everybody. And way out yonder in Texas.
He only has a five gallon hat, not a 10. None other than the chaplain John McTernan. Bless you Pastor Ernie and all our wonderful listeners. Alrighty, and live here in the studio, I have with me, Aaron.
Hello Pastor. Okay, we're ready. You guys ready to go for tonight? Amen. Ready to go.
Alrighty. We have a lot to cover. First thing I want to do though, I want to tell the folks out there listening for Sunday morning, the Doers of the Word Church.
We will be doing the newsletter, the newsletter during the Sunday morning Bible study. So we need everybody on board, everybody on board Sunday morning. And unless you're a hillbilly, if you're a hillbilly, you don't have to, you just stay home and stay in bed, right?
Be at the Bible study. No, there you go. Now, only kidding, I like hillbillies.
In fact, I'm pretty close to being one. Anyhow, there you go. But we got to get that newsletter out. We're going to start today, a very interesting thing happened. When I got to the radio station yesterday, there were several fellows there and they were kind of upset. They were very, very upset, in fact, about a radio program that had been played the night before. And that was, well, I guess you would say a big display of pacifism. That's the last thing we need.
The very last thing we need. And so we're going to take a look at why that is. But tonight we're going to start, our scripture is going to start in Hebrews chapter 11, and we're going to start with verse 24. So, Richard, would you read verses 24 through 29?
I'd be glad to. By faith, Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season. Reaming the reproach of Christ's greater riches than the treasures of Egypt, for he had respect unto the recompense of the reward. By faith, he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king, for he endured as seeing him who is invisible. Through faith, he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. By faith, they passed through the Red Sea, as by dry land, which the Egyptians strayed and were drowned. By faith, the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
By faith, the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. Okay, so here now, we're going back there to verse 25, choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season. He's steaming the reproach of Christ's greater riches. Moses lived 1,500 years before Christ, and so how was it, do you think, that he knew about the coming Messiah? He was looking ahead, that there was going to be the promised Messiah.
The burning bush. Well, yeah, he was there. Actually, if you take the Bible and go from Genesis all the way to the Revelation, it's all about him, it's all about Jesus, it's all about the Messiah. And all the things that the Israelites did, all the ritualistic things, were pictures of Christ.
Absolutely. Well, Moses' own prophecy in Deuteronomy 18, 15-19, knew that God's eternal promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were worth far more than eternal riches. So what happened here, Moses soon found himself to be at odds, and then eventually at the end there ended up at war with Egypt and all of its army, didn't he? He sure did. And so he was willing to do that, you know, you think about him being raised in the Egyptian culture, and he was raised with probably great wealth around him. Oh yeah, he was next in line to be king.
And he was willing to do that at 40 to forsake all that. He was next in line to be king. Yeah. And remember, Egypt was the great power, but he believed in the coming Messiah, and he was looking for a better city, a much greater city, right? And that was the one that Abraham was looking for, and that's the New Jerusalem. Yes, absolutely. And then when we get down, by faith... Can you tell me, I'd like to add something, please? Sure, that's why you're here. Yeah, that's right. Now, I'm polite, though.
I'm very polite. Hebrews 4, 2 is a very interesting scripture. And, well, let's read 4, 1 into 4, 2. Let us therefore fear, at least a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you could seem to come short of it. Now, verse 2, for unto us was the gospel preached as well as unto them, but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith, and then they heard it. So, they had a knowledge, this is talking about Moses most of the time, which means of Israel leaving Egypt. They understood what salvation was, that the Messiah was going to come and die for them, because that's what all the holidays were about, that's what the sacrifices were about.
That's right. So, was verse 1 a reference of entering the rest of the Promised Land that they failed to through unbelief with Moses and the Jews at the time? They were full of unbelief. They couldn't rest in the Promised Land, and that's why they had to wait 40 years in the wilderness.
We are to rest in Christ, but these are like Promised Land. So, they were looking ahead for the coming Messiah. Yes, exactly. We're looking now ahead, too, but now we're looking ahead not for the suffering Messiah, but for the conquering King, right? Exactly.
And so, here now, we pick it up. Now, when we read about, by faith, the walls of Jericho fell down after they were accomplished in about seven days. Just think about this. Today, if our modern army was asked to march around a major city seven days and blow a horn and blow a trumpet, what do you think they would think?
What do you think they'd do? I'm afraid our modern army wouldn't have that kind of faith. No.
And today, our modern army is in real bad shape, very bad shape. Certainly is. By faith, the harlot Rahab perished, not with them that believed, not when she had received the spies with peace. Her faith saved her and her family, didn't it?
And that's for sure. Her entire city that was walled in was overrun and taken and slaughtered, and her and her family were the only ones saved because of her faith. And she didn't have any doubts about the God of Israel, huh? No, she didn't, and she just wanted to be obedient that way even though it was going against the entire city.
Everybody in the city didn't believe the way Rahab did, and it says that she's the harlot. Oh, are you there, Richard? Are you still there, John? I'm still there. Alrighty.
Well, let me move on. I think he's back. I think he's back. Yeah, I can hear him. You're back, right, Richard? Yes, I am.
Alrighty. Didn't Rahab specifically mention that she heard of how the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob split the great Red Sea? Yes, she knew all of that.
So here now, let's go on to Bruce. Well, all the people heard about the departing of the Red Sea and that, but they didn't understand or believe the miraculous power of Almighty God. Well, they didn't share God.
She did, yeah. And so here now... Sister Ernie, she's in the Lord's genealogy in Matthew. She's in the genealogy of Jesus Christ. I know that.
I know. And what shall I more say, for the time would follow me to tell of Gideon, and Barak, and Samson, and Jephthah, and David, and also Samuel, and of the prophets? So now, what did all of these people have in common here? They were all... God raised them up to go to war.
Now, people say, well, what do you mean? Well, yeah, well, Gideon went to war, too. Gideon fought off a number of armies before...
The Midianites. Yeah. And so here, people think that it was just him and his 300, but now he was engaged in much more battle than that.
And of course, Samson fought the Philistines, and Jephthah and David also, and then Samuel was a prophet, and so... He hacked a gag to pieces, right? Yeah.
Yes, that's right. He took it, and so this has something to do with what we're going to be talking about tonight, okay, as we go through there. Then he goes on, who through faith subdued the kingdoms, they wrought righteousness, they obtained promises, and they stopped the mouths of lions. All right, so here quenched the violence.
We know who stopped the mouths of the lions. Daniel did that, quenched the violence of the fire, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, escaped the edge of the sword, and out of weakness were made strong. Waxed valiant and turned to fight the armies of the aliens. And that's what a lot of our patriots are doing today.
They're fighting the armies of the aliens right here in America. Women received their dead, raised to life again, Elijah. Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance that they might obtain a better resurrection.
And in other words, what would be a good example of that? The Maccabees. The Maccabees, they were told if they would just renounce God, just renounce Jehovah, they could live, they would be set free, and they could live and have their freedom.
And what did they do? They said, no, he will never renounce Jehovah, just like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. And it cost them their life, but they got the better resurrection, they will have a better resurrection. They were stoned and they were sawn asunder, they were tempted, they were slain with a sword, wandered about in sheepskins. You know, it was Isaiah that was sawn asunder. In fact, it was Manasseh, that wicked, wicked king that sought him asunder. Near the altar. Yeah.
And he would have been a Democrat of that day. Whom in the world was not worthy, they wandered in deserts and mountains and dens and caves of the earth, and now all have obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise, God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Okay. And so, here now, this, what I said when I got to the radio station, there were people upset because a fellow gave a message, a pacifistic message. You have a passage there in John, read. John chapter 10. I am the good shepherd, the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. But he that is a hireling and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth. And the wolf catches them and scattereth them, or scattereth the sheep.
The hireling fleeth because he is a hireling and careth not for the sheep. And this is what we have, and so many of the pulpits are filled with that today. And these preachers will tell you not to get involved in politics, just to stay away from these things. Well, here, some years ago, a fellow named Dave Daubenmire, Coach Daubenmire, he called me, and Dave had, he was a winning football coach, and they prayed before each game and after the game. And while he was a winning football coach, he was asked to come and speak to a lot of these big mega churches, and that they would ask him to come speak because he was the winner. Well, then the ACLU got after him for praying, and they told him he couldn't, he couldn't pray they were going to sue him and that. Well, he thought, wait till the pastors hear about this. The pastors, they're going to, they'll have my back. Well, boy, did he find out that, no, the pastors were hirelings, most of them.
They didn't, they told Dave, Dave, you know, we don't, you're on your own here. We, you know, we don't stand up against the government. And so, and that's what so many are out there trying to do today.
And this is what these others are telling you. You shouldn't stand and fight. Now, we just read, all of those people we just read there in Hebrews all fought against corrupt governments. You saw Shifra and Pua, the two, they worked for the government. They stood and saved the babies.
They stood against their own government, okay. You saw Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. You saw Daniel, Jeremiah. Technically, that's what Moses was doing, too. Well, absolutely, he did.
Okay. And so, here, this guy was saying how, one, the United States, for the War of Independence, should not fought against Britain in the War of Independence because they were Christians and it was, you had a Christian king, and that you had Christians killing Christians and he should have been submissive to his government. The pilgrims and the patriots should have been submissive to the king. Now, I want you to go ahead and read what the Founding Fathers, the reason given for their...
Here's some of their grievances from the Declaration of Independence. He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained, and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly for opposing with manly firmness his invasion on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time after such disillusions to cause others to be elected whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise, the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without and convulsions within. He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners, refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands. He has obstructed the administration of justice by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers. He has made judges dependent on his will alone for the tenure of their offices and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of new offices and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat up their substance. He has kept among us in times of peace standing armies without the consent of our legislator. He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to the civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution and unacknowledged by our laws, giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation for quartering large bodies of armed troops among us, for protecting them by a mock trial from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states, for cutting off our trade with all parts of the world, for imposing taxes on us without our consent, for depriving us in many cases of the benefits of trial by jury, for transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses, for abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein arbitrary government and enlarging its boundaries so as to render at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these colonies.
Should I keep going? Yeah. For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our government, for suspending our own legislatures and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated government here by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow citizens, taken captive on the high seas, to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to follow themselves by their hands. He has excited domestic insurrections among us and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions. In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms. Our repeated petition has been answered only by repeated injury.
A prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Alrighty, we're going to a break. We'll be back right after this.
That's hard to understand. It breaks my heart, one nation under God is what we used to say. What's happened to the USA? God help us in America today. In God we trust that's how it used to be. Now our leaders have no morals, the results are plain to see.
Some would vote for the devil if they thought there was a dollar to be made. Then they'll go to church and praise the Lord, God help us in America today. They took God out of school, they've replaced him with the wisdom of a fool.
Now the experts wonder why the kids are bringing drugs and guns to school. Since they took away the cross, look how much it cost and by the way, our children are the ones who paid. God help us in America today. In God we trust that's how it used to be. Now our leaders have no morals, the results are plain to see.
Some would vote for the devil if they thought there was a dollar to be made. Then they'll go to church and praise the Lord, God help us in America today. I still love my country, but sometimes I want to hang my head and cry. If we don't hold to what made us strong, all we can do is watch this nation die.
It's sad to say the truth, the red, white and blue is looking awful grey. Can you hear the ghost of Lincoln say, God help my America today. In God we trust that's how it used to be. Now our leaders have no morals, the results are plain to see. Some would vote for the devil if they thought there was a dollar to be made.
Then they'll go to church and praise the Lord, God help us in America today. Can you hear the ghost of Lincoln say, God help my America today. That was my dear friend and singing partner for many, many years, Danny Rake, who got laid to rest today. Danny was buried today. He was right on that song. That song was made a while back.
Things are much worse now than they were even then when he sang that song. We're going to miss you, Danny. Danny was a very, very talented man. Wrote over 300 songs and recorded. For many, many years we sang many of them together.
I'm going to miss him a lot. Anyhow. Pastor, you're due for a new album. Yeah, maybe we ought to. Well, I'm still here, huh? If I could get me turning to sing with me one of those albums, do you think I could do that? What do you think, John?
No, I make a joyful noise to the Lord and that's it. All righty. Pastor Ernie, I am so glad that you went over.
You had the brother here read the reasons for the Declaration of Independence. That was really refreshing. Yeah, we're heading there. Yeah, that's what we're going to be doing.
They were brilliant men. That's what I wanted to mention to you. There were so many, as he was reading them off, I'm going, well, that's today. That's today. Well, that's today. The one about the foreign armies.
Yeah, that's today. The most I could think of was the FBI and the federal law enforcement now. It's like the Hessians from the times of the American Revolution. Well, Biden's been flying the Hessians in from all over. He's been flying in Chinese. He's been flying Russians. He's flying in designated cities. These people are preparing to make war on us in America here today.
Yes, they are. Yeah, and so now here you have these pacifists telling us, well, this fellow that was preaching kept saying his main thing was to live in a quiet and peaceful life. Just live in a quiet and peaceful life. Now, John, you know, and Richard, the three of us would love to live in a quiet and peaceful life, but it's kind of hard to do that when they're kicking your doors in at 2 o'clock in the morning, all right? How many times I've been arrested just for preaching the gospel out there that God sent me out to preach the gospel, and the corrupt government says, no, you're not going to preach that gospel. Well, guess which one I obey. That's right. And so many times, and being not just the corrupt government, but the death culture, I've been shot at several times.
They've tried to run me over, tried to stab me several times. But you know what? We must obey God rather than men, huh? Richard, you spent ten years in prison. You ended up becoming the prison chaplain. I did. Unofficially.
Yeah. Well, they had no chaplain. And all the men were going to you anyhow. Yes, they were. And the guards were coming to me to give them direction on what to do in there. They understood who God had sent there, huh?
They sure did. And that was a great ministry. They did it to do evil, and God turned it around for good.
So that was a wonderful thing. But that's the whole thing is what Acts 4 19 tells about, whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, ye judge. And we have to obey God, not man.
So here you learned a little bit about what Joseph went through, huh? Oh, yeah. Indeed. And then, John, you and I, we've had our battles with the war college, with Admiral Mullins. And I mean, because of what they've said, the Christians shouldn't be in the military because our allegiance is to Christ and not to the government or to the new world order or whatever.
That was back in, I'm trying to think now when that was, I think it was about 25 years ago. And it was the war college in Fort Leavensworth. And they were backing this, the war college, he was a captain going to be a colonel, I think.
And he had a paper on fundamentalist Christians, really. And he said we were in danger because we were against the new world order and against the United Nations. And that we wanted to provoke a war to start Armageddon. And I brought that to your attention and we confronted them just so to me about it. Yeah, we did. Captains become majors and then they go to... Whatever it was, whatever it was in order.
Yeah, that's true. And we did, I remember. And so Mullins put that young lieutenant, that lawyer, on me and I had quite a conversation with him. And he got God's word, the Bible, heaven sweet and hell hot, trying to tell us.
And here's the irony of this whole thing, the irony. Do you remember Stanislav Lunov when he was here? Stanislav Lunov was the highest ranking defector from the Soviet Union.
He was the ranks of a full bird colonel. And he was with their, what they call the grid, which was their equivalent to our NSA. And he was telling me how underneath Moscow, there's a much larger city underground, underneath Moscow that's been there for a long time. And he was there where these top ranking generals at that time in Russia were using God's word, the Bible, especially Ezekiel 37, 36, 37, 38, to prepare to go to war with God. Somehow these guys thought that they were going to prepare and they had their bunkers there. Somehow they had this idea that maybe God couldn't get them underground. But remember what the Bible says, that every knee is going to bow to him above ground and below, all of those above ground and those that live below. And so here, that's an amazing thing to think that somehow you can battle, you can go to war with God and win. The devil's not even winning so.
Well, Pastor Ernie, it's amazing. I didn't know that. That's the first time I've heard it. But right now, the former president of Russia before Putin was Medved, I believe his last name was. And he is constantly quoting scriptures and revelation warning the West what's coming with a nuclear war with Russia. And he's reading the scriptures about it.
Yeah, and Putin has done the same thing. Recently. Yeah. He's been quoting scriptures recently, John? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
I've been posting them on my blog. I would say a good, through the years, oh, eight times. He quotes revelation quite a bit. And he said that, basically, the West is going to be, this Russia, will nuke the West in self-defense.
And so I wanted to go back to where he said to live quiet and peaceful lives. You know, it's not so easy for those of us, I'll bet that these guys, these prissy preachers that talk about, you know, you must obey the government no matter what, and that are anti-militia. And by the way, do you know what, when Nehemiah was building the wall, do you know what those people on the wall were that was building the wall? They had a work tool in one hand and a weapon in the other. What you call the militia.
They were a militia, standing militia. And so here, so now, again, more and more you've got now, these people coming out. And let me ask you this, what is the most dangerous to the church? Would it be the apostates, the Episcopal Church and that, the United Church of Christ that actually, they embrace sin. They come out in the open and they embrace abortion, they embrace sodomy, you know. So those of us that are biblically literate and saved, we recognize that, those people, that those are not Christians. Then you have, of course, the prosperity church, and we know, you know, they're pretty easy to recognize because they're really going off the deep ends lately. I mean, you wouldn't believe some of this stuff. In fact, we're going to be, I think, in the near future, playing some clips of some of these prosperity preachers.
And I mean, you would think that some are demon-possessed and others have just lost their minds. So that's not the biggest danger. The biggest danger are those preachers that do preach the Gospel, that have the credibility of preaching the Gospel and know the Word of God, but that preach pacifism. Now, let me tell you what a pacifism has wrought for America today.
About 160 million dead babies. Well, and before that, God, you know, we had a public education system with the highest rank in the whole world, the top-rated education system. That's a good point. Okay? Until God was expelled from school.
Then a door was left open and the opposite came in, the other guy. So now, let me just say this here. When we heard back in those days, I remember hearing the preachers telling me, if you continue with what you're doing, you're going to bring the government down on all of us. And I was trying to say, let's go, let's march on Washington, D.C. These people, that court in 1973, actually 100 of us did go, okay? You were there?
Yeah, I went there, yeah. In 1973? No, it was later than that. But back, that's when we were talking about it. But it was later, we finally got the men together and we went to Washington, D.C. And is that where I met you, John, on the steps of the Supreme Court?
I'm not sure. Yeah, we met there a couple times, Pastor Ernie. You were with a group that had like one of those United Parcel trucks with all the murals and banners around it. Okay, yeah.
Yeah, and I was walking on the parade, I was walking by and I looked over and the truck caught my eye and there you are. Well, here now, what happened, if the pastors, you see, the pastors failed God. No place, and they don't like to talk about it, and I know they get angry at me when I bring this up, many of them. But it was up to the pastors, it was their job, just like, and I'm going to read here from the clergy of the revolution here in just a minute, the black robe regiment. I'm just going to read you about some of these men, because these preachers now are saying that we never should have rebelled, it was wrong, they were disobedient to God, they didn't obey Romans 13, they were fighting other Christians in England, and yet we knew that from Genesis to Revelation, we see every prophet, every priest, every man of God stood and they obeyed God and not a corrupt government. But these preachers, these priestly preachers are telling you to knuckle down, just go along, go with the flow and try to live a peaceful and quiet life. You know, you can live a peaceful and quiet life if you don't go out there, if you don't take a stand against this wicked. Yeah, so you lose all our rights and liberty. That's right.
So that's not the correct guidance. Well, Pastor Ernie, what's God's punishment for a nation that kills its children? Well, that's an abomination, God had brought the harshest judgment. In fact, that's the only, one of the only things that God actually brought upon Israel was cannibalism.
He reduced to them the cannibalism where they actually had to eat each other with starvation. With the Babylonians, at the time of the Babylonians, in Leviticus chapter 18 verse 41, Thou shall not let any of thy seed that gets your children pass through the fire to Moloch, that was the pagan god that he would worship their children, kill their children to, neither shall out profane the name of thy God, I am the Lord. Now, at this point, that wasn't the Jews that were doing it. That was the pagan nations that the Lord brought the Jews to the land of Israel. They were actually driving them out, and they were going to be killed, and one of the reasons was these pagans were killing, they were sacrificing their children. And the law had, this wasn't under the law of Moses. The pagans were not under the law of Moses, but God was applying his moral law to the pagans even though they weren't under the law of Moses. So what happens, Pastor Ernie, what I've run into today is people just don't believe that God will judge.
They don't believe it. That's the Old Testament, it's not, it's different, we're under God's grace now. So a nation can be as wicked as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the people, there's millions today, we're under the age of grace, and God wants millions. So they lost the fear of God. We talked about that last night in Jeremiah chapter 2 where the Lord had said in verse 34 that your skirts are filled with the blood of the innocent.
And he says that he didn't even have to search, to search their hearts to another wickedness, their own mouths betrayed them. But in that, those women, now he was using Israel as a type of a whorish woman, said, look, we didn't do anything wrong because what we did was legal, it was allowed by the government, okay? And so this is what you have today, you have this mindset out there, it's legal, it's legal, so we're not doing anything wrong, no?
Again, what is lawful and what is legal is two different things. What did God say about the Jews when Jesus was on earth about divorce? He says it was never so from the beginning but because of the hardness of your heart. Yeah, what they did is they twisted, and even the law of Moses they twisted. Yes. Those guys were, they would marry a woman and what they were using this would be, if she burnt their meal, they could divorce her, pay for her divorcement for any reason, then they would, you know, they would actually, they were actually known to trade their wives for a team of oxen during plowing season and then after plowing to take them back, they would do, you know, just, they would just treat their wives terrible. That's why Amalekhi, when the Lord, when he said, that's where you got the shortest, second shortest verse in the Bible, God hates divorce, he said, there are tears of your wives, you know, of your youth are falling upon my altar.
Yes, yes. And those idiots, those guys were trying to tell God, God look, you got to, we figure things out, we figure things out. We know that what you're saying here, but we see how you reward the wicked.
So we, you know, we hear you're saying how much you care for the poor and this and that, but we're seeing what's actually happening, so we're hip, we're part of this now. In other words, they were telling God he was corrupt. That wasn't a smart thing to do, you know, this is why, if you go to chapter one, where he talks about how they're buried in their faces up in the dung, and well. Pastor Ernie, Jude speaks about this, and also 2 Peter, but Jude 1.7 says, even as Sodom and Gomorrah, now remember, this is the New Testament, this is not talking about the Old Testament, because what's happened in the Old Testament, Jude is applying to the New Testament to us today. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and that word fornication, it's a special word, Pastor Ernie, fornication, it means to be utterly unchaste, completely, and the word is where we get pornography.
That's the Greek word, where we get pornography, so it means to be completely without any morals. That's what the fornication means, so that includes homosexuality, it includes it all. And giving over to strange flesh are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
And just give me a moment, and I want to go over to 2 Peter, chapter 2, verse 6. And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, and condemn them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly. So there are two warnings in the scriptures, and if we go down the road of Sodom and Gomorrah, which we are, except for the remnant that's interceding before the Lord, it says here that's what God did, is an example to us that should follow. Well, Leviticus says, nations that support that abominable sin, the land vomits out its inhabitants. Well, go to Leviticus, chapter 20, and read me verses 1 through 5, Aaron. Leviticus 20. Now, remember, just as what you were talking about in Jude, God's immutable. His laws don't change. And you see these people today that think, well, you know, I've heard women say, personally, I could never have an abortion, but I'm not going to judge someone that does.
That's their business, not mine. So go ahead and read that passage, verse Leviticus 21 through 5. 21, 1 through 5? No, 21 through 5.
20. 20, and then verses. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech, he shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people, because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to feign my holy name. And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not, then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a-whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech from among their people. So he's telling you that people that sit back and are pacifists, and do nothing about the fact that they're killing children, even though they're not doing it, it's a sin of omission, sin of omission. And the Lord Jesus preached more in sins of omission than he did sins of commission.
We'll take a look at that in a second hour today. So the answer to this in our present society, if we still have a constitutional republic, is to have representatives that will have pro-life legislation, correct? That's true, but the other answer is that we, every one of us, to do all that we can to stop that horrible, horrible sin, okay, the sin of killing children. The whole purpose of the, when God gave us the divine institution of human government, the third point was the purpose, the entire purpose, the entire purpose of divine human government is to preserve the image of God, that being man.
That's the entire purpose. Our government is illegitimate, it's not legitimate. This is why we've lost... Well, many of us support life, it's just we haven't succeeded in preventing the wicked from doing their abortions.
Well, some of us have battled for three years. We've got to defund it. One got to defund it, you need people in Congress to do that, and your state reps or state senators, and then you've got to educate the kids not to, or to remain faithful as far as abstinence so that they don't get pregnant and get in possession. We have to do all that. People say you have to change hearts, but only God can change hearts. We can do with all that we can do, okay?
But I think the time is coming, and what's going to happen, God knows exactly what it takes to bring people to repentance. And meanwhile... Pastor, isn't the pro-life movement going in the right direction, though, in these recent years? Yeah, it has, yeah. So we're gaining momentum.
We've saved over 24,000 babies during the years since... And Roe versus Wade getting overturned, so... All right, we're coming up to a break. When we come back from the break, we're going to pick it up on the inside. We have a whole lot to cover yet tonight, so don't go away. More to come.
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