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Thank you. This is What's Right, What's Left with Pastor Ernie Sanders. Good evening and welcome to another edition of What's Right, What's Left. I'm Radio Pastor Ernie Sanders and, indeed, this is the voice of the Christian Resistance on this 24th day of June, Friday, 2022. And, boy, do we have a lot to talk about tonight.

We really do. And so, well, you know what? It was 49 years ago, 49 years ago, Dr. Jack Wilkie said to me, Ernie, you're the voice of the Christian Resistance.

49 years ago, 49 years ago, Dr. Jack Wilkie said to me, Ernie, I don't think I'll see Roe v. Wade overturned in my lifetime, but you'll probably see it or you may see it in your time. And he was right. And tonight we have, he's courageous and outrageous on the board, none other than courageous Craig. Good evening, everybody. Way out yonder, way out yonder. Well, actually, he's sitting right across from me here. We have What's Right, What's Left contributor, none other than the Ritz, Ron Ritz. Good evening, everyone, on this most joyous day.

Already. Way out yonder in Texas, we have none other than the co-founder for Cops for Christ International and National, Chaplain John McTernan. Hello, Pastor Ernie. God bless you and, as always, God bless all our listeners.

Alrighty. And like a rose between a bunch of thorns, we have with us tonight Ms. Kate Macra from Ohio Right to Life and Ohio Pro-Life Action Committee. Hi.

Thank you so much for having me. And I just can make a quick correction. I'm from Cleveland Right to Life. We don't like to be confused with Ohio Right to Life. Oh, I said I meant Cleveland Right to Life. Boy, we really don't, do we? Okay.

Do not thank you. Okay, yeah. Okay. But you're with Ohio Pro-Life Action Committee, too, right?

Yeah, the Right to Life Action Coalition of Ohio. Yes, sir. Yeah. And I know I'm part of it, too, even if I don't pronounce it right. But anyhow.

That's okay. We know who you are. Yep. Katie, I've been in this battle for 49 years, and we've been waiting for this day. It's been a long time coming, hasn't it? Oh, my gosh.

Yes. Oh, Pastor, I can't even explain to you the joy that has just gone like a ripple effect throughout the pro-life community. And, you know, of course, we had a little sneak preview last month when that decision was leaked, you know, the draft. But I was always kind of thinking, well, you know, maybe they just floated that out there.

Somebody leaked it out to test the waters. And, you know, I just was kind of like, okay, I'm going to be a doubting Thomas just for this one occasion. And I'm just going to wait until, you know, the release actually happens. And today it was even better than I could have possibly imagined. I took about five minutes to cry tears of joy, and then I had to get to work, but it was amazing. And I'm just so blessed that I could be part of this organization and the pro-life community on such a special day. Well, we're glad to have you. We need you for sure.

All right. We're going to get right into our scripture tonight. And the title of the message tonight, and we start here in Psalm 2, is, Why do the heathen rage? And, boy, the heathen are raging even as we speak.

The heathen are raging. Are you there, John McTernan? I'm here, Pastor Ernie.

Folks, we have kind of a sad thing, in a sense. But we've got good news and bad news. The good news is it looks like John Holman may be improving a little bit, wouldn't you say, McTernan?

Yeah, Pastor Ernie. They performed another procedure on him today, and there was sort of an upbeat look towards him from the medical people working on him. And Monday or Tuesday, they're going to take him out of the, what do you call it, I can't think of the word now, a sedation. Yeah, sedation. And see if they can, how his heart responds. Because I found out today, Pastor Ernie, that he was, his heart had stopped for three minutes.

Wow. And they revived him after three minutes. So they are concerned about brain damage and other damage. Well, we've got to keep him in prayer. And he was, he's a soldier, he was a warrior, wasn't he? Oh yeah, Pastor Ernie.

I mean, for the babies and then for the elderly. And Katie, you're here with some old-time vets. We've been in this battle from the beginning, both John and John.

John McTernan has been a real leader in Pennsylvania especially, where he took on the very, very corrupt Planned Parenthood, beat them and sued them and won. Oh wow. That was a stunning victory, Pastor Ernie, when everything was overturned in the appeals and we won and it was stunning.

It was stunning. You know, let's get into that later. Let's right now, I've got to tell the folks too, there's a little bit of sadness. John's mechanical Bible has broke and now he's got to go back to the book. No, no, I'm back to the Gutenberg printing press. Right, and he wasn't quite, he didn't quite remember how it worked, but now he's, and I'm going to have him start out. John, would you read Psalm chapter 2? Just read it all the way through.

Well, Pastor Ernie, I talked to you before the show and I asked you to have mercy on me and apparently you had no mercy, so yeah, that's what happened. My computer's down and I have to go back to the Gutenberg way to read the Bible now. You can do it, John. You have confidence in me.

Yeah. All right, here we go. Here we go. Hang on here, Pastor Ernie. I'll pick it up from here, John. I'll declare the decree the Lord has sent unto me. Thou art my son and this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance. In the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possessions thou shall break them with a rod of iron. Thou shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now, therefore, O you kings. Be instructed, you judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son lest he be angry and you perish from the way when his wrath is kindled but a little.

Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. So we go back here to verse 1. Why do the heathen rage if people imagine a vain thing?

And the kings of the earth set themselves and rulers take counsel together against the horde. So those are out there right now tonight, the heathen. The heathen are raging tonight and is their fight against us or is their fight against God? Pastor Ernie, their fight ultimately is against God and we're sort of the mediator between them and God right now. And it's very interesting, I can't quote, I wasn't able to pick up too much today, Pastor Ernie, because of my computer being down.

But I was able to pick up some quotes from the hard left abortion people and they clearly were saying it's religious, it's coming from the Christian right in America. So they are pending this to us, which I consider a great honor. Yeah, well here John and Katie, you just jump right in.

You guys have a comment, just jump right in. He says, let's break their bands asunder and cast away their cords from us. In other words, they want nothing to do with God's people. They want nothing to do with God's people.

They want nothing to do with God's work. God's work. Yeah. And so here, again, we're seeing the heat. Look, you've got Joe Biden, Joe Biden in the White House. Joe Biden is a pedophile.

It's a known fact that he is. Joe Biden claims to be a good Catholic. If Joe Biden's a good Catholic, I'm dally pardon. Joe Biden is nowhere near or nothing to do. He is as far away from being a Christian as you can be. Joe Biden is a heathen to the core, okay?

He is pro-death. And when I tell you that I don't make this, look, we have, well, what do we have there? You're going to put something up on the internet here soon, aren't you Rick? Yeah, there's videos out there pretty much on YouTube, BitChute, and Rumble, but there's a compilation of about ten minutes of Joe Biden literally groping children. They're doing a photo shoot for the Senate, the new senators coming in. And in every instance, you can actually see him push the parents away and grab the children, so he's got his hands all over him.

And when you watch ten minutes of this, if you don't think he's a pedophile, then you should never be around children, because it's clear as day. Well, what Biden had gone to try to campaign for one of the senators, a younger guy who I don't think he made it, okay? And here, he had gotten his hands on their little girl, and his wife pushed Biden away and pulled the little girl towards him. Yeah.

But here... I think that was the senator from Delaware. Was it? Okay, yeah, there was a... I think it was. She was a blonde-haired lady, very pretty, and the little girl was...

I can't think of his name right now, Pastor Ernie, but that was the daughter from the senator of Delaware. Well, but you know, the most damning thing of all is Joe Biden's daughter's diary. Yeah. We read from the diary here, and it was... You know, she said her father made her take showers with him as an adolescent and as a teenager, and that really affected her. I mean, it really affected her mentally. Yeah. And gave her a very perverted sex life, okay?

Made her run out to actually turn her into a whore, okay? And so here he goes on. Now listen to this. Listen to this.

I want you to think about this. Just kind of close your eyes and picture this next verse. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh.

The Lord shall have them in derision. Did we see nasty Pelosi? Did we see Chuck Schumer? Did we see those screaming?

Over here we have a picture out there today of what took place out there. You've got these hordes of screaming women. You've got this one, and she's in her underwear.

She's out there in her underwear, and she's got red paint on her private parts, okay? But here, these people are in total derision. Total derision, okay? And so he that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh, the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath and vex them in his sore displeasure. Look, what do you think the effect's going to be?

Think about this. With the red states, the ones that have gone pro-life, and the death states, the blue states that have gone pro-death. You're going to see crime rise. You're going to see crime. You're going to see the drug addiction.

In all of those blue states, it's going to be just like the major cities. They're going to deteriorate. The sin, they've embraced sin. The Bible says, I've set before you this day, life and death, blessing and cursing. Choose life and a blessing. They're choosing to be cursed.

They're choosing to be cursed by God. Mr. Ernie, I'd like to add something, if you don't mind. Sure, yeah, that's why you're here. Yeah, and I know, well, I don't want to interrupt your golden words of wisdom there, but I know you remember this because we brought it up several times, that wretched ex-governor of New York, Cuomo, and when the assembly of New York there voted to have abortion, unfettered right up to the moment of delivery. Well, even after that, even after that. They celebrated that. No, they didn't get that in New York. No, they went as far as right up to delivery, but when he signed it, it was like a circus. It was a celebration. They were cheering and clapping, and then he had the audacity to say that pro-life people are not wanted in New York State, and they should get out.

They're not wanted. Yeah. Well, no, it was Virginia, the governor of Virginia, who was a doctor, a former doctor, said he was the one that said that people should have a few days after the child is born to decide whether or not to keep the child. But now, that bill in California, I don't know, was it signed into law yet? No, what it is past their knee is the state, the House of Representatives approved it, and it's going to the Senate now, and what that is, it's like up to, I think, 28 days. 28 days, yeah. Maryland's the same way, too. Maryland? It's in the Senate, yeah, 28 days.

28 days. That's as evil as evil gets. I mean, these people are evil. They're asking God to curse them.

And, you know, that's why we pray those imprecatory prayers against New York and Maryland and Virginia and California, against the state legislators. We're asking, like David did and like the Psalmist did, that they want death. The Bible says all of those that hate God, and they hate God, love death. So we're asking God to save the innocent, to visit that death upon those that love it.

To visit that very death upon those that love it. So he says here, I will declare the decree the Lord has sent unto me, thou art my son, and this day have I begotten thee. Now, that happened one time, will never happen again. That's a one-time, one-in-a-lifetime happening, one forever, where God the Son was begotten. In other words, he became the only, well, let me see, divine, if you will, Son of God. Now, you see, what that means is, like, everyone that's saved are sons and daughters of God.

But, yeah, but Christ is not only the Son of God, but he's God the Son. And so here, we go on and we see, Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shall, well, he should get it because he created it, didn't he? Okay, and here, thou shall break them with a rod of, you hear that, Joe Biden? You hear that, Chuck Schumer?

You hear that, Nasty Pelosi? Thou shall break them with a rod of iron. Thou shall dash them into pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now, therefore, all you kings. Be instructed, you judges of the earth, serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling.

Let me tell you now. That court of 1973, every one of them are now believers. See, there are no unbelievers in heaven or hell. In both heaven and hell, you're a believer, you know, right? Yep. And so they're all believers now, and I've got a feeling that Blackstone and Marshall and the others, seven of those nine right now are in a very, very hot place in hell. A special hot place in hell. On several occasions, Blackmun said that he was going to take Roe to the grave with him.

Yeah. No regrets, no regrets, and he was going to take it to his grave. Well, you know, Pastor Ernie, he wrote the opinion on Roe versus Wade, and the law then bent to his opinion, you know, legalizing abortion. So the way I look at it, I'm pointing at him as the one that wrote it, but the other justices also, God is going to hold them accountable for every single abortion that took place on the Roe versus Wade. He says their blood will cry out and bear witness against them, huh?

Millions and millions. Yeah, he'll be held accountable for every one of those babies that, quote, quote, legally died under Roe versus Wade. What a, what a, oh my goodness, Pastor Ernie, what he's accountable for in hell before the Lord.

Yeah, Pastor Ernie, if I could just jump in here for a minute. I'm also an attorney, so when I went to law school, we studied, we studied that case very, you know, carefully, and, you know, I remember, of course, all my liberal professors in law school just thought it was the greatest thing ever, and then the 1992 case, which was the companion case to that, which is, you know, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, that then went on to expand even what Roe held, you know, so then they came up with this whole undue burden nonsense, and, you know, that opened the door for women to say that, you know, any time that it was an, quote, undue burden to carry the baby to term, that they had license to, you know, to commit murder, basically. And, you know, people always talk about Roe, and that was just the first step, of course, but then the Planned Parenthood v. Casey case just kind of sent it rolling downhill, and it's been all downhill from there, and I cannot tell you, I mean, you were talking about the evil and the histrionics of these people, these mobs outside, and I held a press conference this afternoon in downtown Cleveland, and so I got to experience a little bit of that firsthand, because we were out there just peacefully, you know, staying our peace, and this small but very noisy and obnoxious group of people came over and were trying to scream at us while our press conference was going on, and one woman came over, and as we were speaking, and she actually screamed out, I can't wait to kill my baby, and I couldn't even believe what I was hearing, you know. I thought, you know, there is no other explanation for it other than that the devil had a hold of him, you know, and evil is very real, so, you know, one of the reporters asked me afterwards, well, how do you react to that, you know, these people that are shouting and screaming and everything, and I said, well, you know, first of all, I pity them, because they can't recognize the truth, so we will pray for them, but, you know, in the end it's up to them to decide, you know, where they're going to spend eternity, and I don't hold out a lot of hope, of course, I'm not the final judge, but from what I thought today, it was unbelievable. I mean, these people are really digging in their heels, and they have no fear of God whatsoever, and it's, you know, it's sad, it really is sad, you know, I do pity them, but, you know, we have to buckle down, because these people are going to get even more vicious and more violent, so, you know, we just need to be on our guard, and I just pray for everybody's safety, you know, all of us in the pro-life movement and all the churches, all the pregnancy centers, you know, we have our work cut out for us, for sure. Katie, going back in the early days, right when it was passed, I was one of those activists that went into the abortion mills, I would go in, right inside and preach, heaven sweet and hell hot, and back in those days, I was shot at three times, they tried to run me over, I don't know how many times, one guy tried to stab me in the eye, others tried to flatten the tires on my car, I even had, I got into it with dirty cops, who were on the payroll of the bloody abortion mill, and I went after them, they actually put a contract on me, and the clean cops were the ones that came out, and sat and watched, and told me, look, because I went on the radio, and what had happened is, I was out preaching in front of Bloody Martin Runick's abortion mill, when two whores came up from behind me, and you'd say, well, how do you know you were whores?

Well, all you'd had to do, if you'd been there, you'd have known. Anyhow, what happened, they sprayed me, they tapped me on the shoulder, and they sprayed me with mace in my eyes, so I called the cops, and when the police came down, I told them, and they went in, and guess what they do? They go into the abortionist's office, and there's an envelope filled with cash sitting on the table, and these two cops were really stupid, because they picked up the envelope, walked out where I could see it, with the cash sticking out of it, and they said, hey, pastor, if they don't want to hear it, they don't want to hear it. I said, you guys don't make enough money as police officers? They said, no, we don't make enough, and they were laughing. I said, hey, I'm going to help you out, don't worry about it. So I had their names and badge numbers, I went on the air. I said, look, these guys aren't making enough money.

If you've got something where you need cops, dirty cops with absolutely no morals, they would sell their mother or grandmother. Maybe you have cock fights or dog fights or maybe child porn, and you want some dirty cops, call them, and I gave their names and phone numbers out right over there, and then I went in, and I went down to press charges, and when I went in there, the commander, it was an office, and if you could have seen this, John, there was probably about 20 desks in there, and all these women sitting at the desks, and this guy says to me, Pastor, you know, if they don't want to hear it, they don't want to hear it. So I said, yeah, like really loud, I said, yeah, that's like John the Baptist when he said, Herod!

Right, I mean, I was, and this guy got all in a panic. I mean, see, you've got to stand up to these people, okay? And here you had this, I remember you had their prosecutor, who would come by, he was a black man, a heavy dude, a big guy, and driving his Cadillac, and he would flip me his IQ. So one day when he did that, I was just about to leave, I followed him right over to his office, and I went in there, I wanted him, and I walked right in, and I said, I want to find out why the prosecutor is flipping me the IQ and being disrespectful without a cause, and you know what he did?

He ran out the back door. I didn't show you. And so this is what you have with these people. You see, I remember, Katie, in the old days, we didn't have any boring days at all, none. Hang tight, we'll be back right after this.

We thought he solved our problem, but our life's a living hell. I toss and turn in bed at night, cause God, it's hard to sleep. In my heart and in my mind I hear a voice that says to me, you could have took me fishing, Dad, you could have taught me how to swim, I could have made you proud of me, now I'll never have that chance. I could have been your little boy, standing right there by your side, I could have been your Friday joy, Daddy, did I have to die? I never thought of it as right or wrong, but I think about it now. Oh God, I'd give my life if I could just turn time back somehow.

I'd let him live and watch him grow, I'd buy him everything, but now he won't need a ball or bat, he'll never play one game. You could have been my hero, Dad, you could have done what Daddies do, you could have rode me on your back, you could have taught me to tie my shoes. I could have grown into a man, I should have had my chance at life, we could have been the best of friends, Daddy, did I have to die? God, the choice of life belongs to you, it wasn't hers or mine, and I know she feels the same way too, sometimes I hear her cry.

How can we ever be the same, or live with what was done, instead of these two broken hearts? God, we might have had a son. You could have been my hero, Dad, you could have done what Daddies do, you could have rode me on your back, you could have taught me to tie my shoes. I could have been your little boy, standing right there by your side, I could have been your pride and joy, Daddy, did I have to die?

Daddy, did I have to die? Alrighty, we are back, and listen, I got a question for Katie. Katie, you said you went to law school as an attorney, did they know about this thing? Did they know about the Constitution?

Well, yes, in sort of a strange sort of way. They did, and they loved to celebrate it when it, you know, when the decisions, you know, I had, in fact, my constitutional law professor was a crazy wild feminist, so you can imagine how that went. And they weren't as obnoxious as they are today outwardly anyway, I mean, they at least tried to maintain a semblance of, you know, being professorial and professional, and it was very clear where they stood. In fact, my second year in law school, the professor brought in the attorney who actually argued on behalf of, you know, Jane Roe.

And so she came in and gave a big speech to the whole law school, and everybody was cheering her and everything else, and I, you know, I just sat there with my arms folded, and, you know, I was younger and quieter, and so I didn't, I just kind of kept to myself, but I never gave in. You know, these people, yeah, they're aware of the Constitution when it serves their purpose, to answer your question, Pastor, but, you know, as soon as it, you know, it espouses something they don't like, for example, the Second Amendment. Or the First Amendment, when, you know, when people that they don't like speak up, you know, suddenly, they just think, you know, they think it's a living, breathing document, and that's their, that's their approach. And they think it can be just changed, just based on, you know, on the will of, you know, the activist judges that are on the court. And, you know, I think it's egregious what's been happening, and I'm just so, so grateful to, well, I'm grateful to Donald Trump for appointing, making sure that we got three conservatives on that court, you know, and that enabled this decision to come down today.

Well, do you know that he was asked, Liz Wheeler asked Donald Trump about, you know, here. Now, are you pleased, are you responsible for this with your appointment of those three judges? And he said, no, no, no, give the credit to God. God. Now, Donald Trump gave the credit to God for doing this.

Wow. And Joe Biden. That's great. But Joe Biden was giving the credit to Donald Trump. He was out there today talking about, this is the Trump judges.

Trump judges is what he was saying. But let me ask you this, since you went to law school and they studied the Constitution, because I studied the Constitution too, but I could never find emanations of a penumbra in there. Yes, that was, that was always, that was always an interesting twisting of, you know, I couldn't figure it out. You know, they, as far as I'm concerned, they just invented this right. They said it was a penumbra, this right to privacy, blah, blah, blah.

And, you know, I'm pretty, I'm pretty cut and dried when it comes to stuff like that. You know, if it's not my constitution, then it shouldn't be, you know, held out as, as the law of the land. And it's been, you know, and even people on the other side of the, you know, of the issue. And, you know, even Ruth Bader Ginsburg herself, you know, had commented many times that Roe was bad law. And, you know, the people on the other side are just so blinded by their ideology that they, they just can't, they can't think rationally. I've really come to that conclusion that they actually have no brain cells that are functioning that would allow them to be rational, because all they react to is, you know, feeling and emotion and screaming. And when something doesn't go their way, they act like little, spoiled little babies.

And, you know, they're going to scream and yell and, you know, act out, just like, you know, a disturbed person would. And so, yeah, that's my long-winded way of saying no, there is no such thing in the constitution. And it's, it's a travesty that we had to see that endure for 49 years and lose 60 million plus innocent babies. Way plus, Katie, it's about twice that number. I've talked to a number of abortionists that have come out of the business. And every single one of them told me that they only, it's a common practice within the child killing industry, you only claim one out of every two babies you kill. That's a common practice. Bernard Nathanson told me that, Carol Everett told me that. It's a common practice. So... Oh, my. Yeah, well, it doesn't surprise me. Yeah, it's because of taxes. You know what they claim, yeah.

So here, that's an interesting thing. Do you know what the very, very first command God gave was? And he gave it three times between Genesis 1 and Genesis 9. The very first command God gave to mankind. Thou shalt not kill?

Yeah, that's right. Be fruitful and multiply. You've got it, be fruitful and multiply. That means to have babies, right? There's a difference between giving birth and killing a child, right?

I would say so, yes sir. Okay, so now, here when they say, well, because the argument used to be, if you remember John, it's not really killing a child because there's no proof of life. And so the question was, if it's not alive, then why do you have to kill it? I mean, just leave it alone, right?

If it's not alive. But of course, they never had an answer for that. But later on, go ahead. Yeah, Mr. Ernie, if you remember in Roe vs. Wade, in the decision, they said that we do not know when life begins. They actually said that.

They should have asked me, I could have told them. So because they didn't know when life began, then they allowed abortion. Well, that's where the whole viability, you know, they claim came in. And I think they even referred to it as a, quote, potential life.

Yes, they did. You're absolutely right. Yeah. Yeah, potential life. Which always just astonished me because I thought, well, you know, what else would it be?

A ham sandwich? You know, of course it's a life, dummies. Well, who would say anything and do anything to advance their agenda? Well, here's the thing.

Advancement. Oh, go ahead. No. Here's the thing.

Yep. The whole point is, these people hate God. These people, you know, God made it very clear in his word, all of those that hate God love death.

All of those that hate God love death. And here, you know, one of the things that the vast majority of people don't know, and I know you went to law school, but I taught biblical law for years, okay? And there's a big difference in what is lawful and what is legal, okay?

There's a major difference in what is lawful and what is legal. And God's word, the Bible, if you ask, and in fact, unfortunately, if you ask the majority of pastors in this country, where do we get the divine institution of human government, right? The very first divine institution that God gave us was marriage and the family, huh? And when he did that, he gave us the definition of marriage.

One man, one woman, one lifetime, okay? And here, when he gave us the divine institution of human government, now when I say this, I'm talking about real human government, legitimate, legitimate human government. What we have today in this country is illegitimate. The Bible calls it a bastard government that we have. According to God's word, which is the law, right here, this is the law, okay? According to God's word, we have to give absolutely no credence, no credence at all to the government here that we have in this country today. They have gone totally against the word of God.

They have become totally illegitimate. Now, Ron, if I was to ask you what were the five points of divine human government, what would you say? That's a hard one.

I can tell you what they all say. We'll ask the pastor, right? Yes.

Okay. So I'll just take you there. Let's go to Genesis 9. Genesis chapter 9. I want to read you this here. And God blessed no one his sons and sent unto them, be fruitful and multiply, here we go again, replenish the earth, and the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, and upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea, and to your hand are they delivered.

Now, I want to stop there for a minute. Katie, when He gave us the divine institution, in here, this is called the Noahic Covenant. And you'll find that there are five points that He has given in here. The first point is to whom did He give this to? And here you go.

Here's the answer. And God said, this token of covenant that I will make between Me and you and every living creature that is with you for perpetual generations. Okay, so He gave it to all mankind, all mankind for perpetual generations. And now this covers all dispensations.

This covers all seven dispensations. Here, the second point was the intent, the intent. Now, I just read you the intent, but did you realize it?

Here, I'll give it again. And here He said, be fruitful and multiply, replenish the earth, and the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, and upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea, and to your hand are they delivered, every moving thing shall be meat for you as your, even as the green herb have I given you all things. Now, here, Katie, is the intent. The intent was that man was to govern for God. Man was to govern for God. But here's number three.

This is the most important, this is the most important right here, number three. And surely your blood of your lives will I require at the hand of every beast, will I require it. At the hand of man, at the hand of every man's brother, will I require it, the life of man. Whoso shedeth man's blood by man, shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God made he man. And again he says, and you be fruitful and multiply, and bring forth abundantly in the earth and multiply therein. Now, the third point, the third point, now this was the entire purpose, Katie, the entire purpose of divine human government was to preserve the image of God, that being man.

Not to destroy it, but to preserve the image of God. Our government, Washington, D.C., is as illegitimate as illegitimate can be. It can't be any more illegitimate. We owe no, we don't owe anything to that government. We owe no obedience to that government, not a bet at all, because it is, in fact, it would be wrong for us to be in compliance with that wicked, illegitimate government in Washington, D.C. Now, the fourth point, the fourth point were the means by which man was to govern for God. God's laws, God's statutes, God's covenants, God's ordinance, God's commands, God's promises, etc.

And the fifth point was this. All nations and all people that were being in compliance with the first four would be at peace and not at war with God. At one time there were some that were in compliance, not today.

I don't think there's a country in this world that's in compliance with God's laws. Amen? Yep. Okay, so, now that is the law.

That is what's lawful, not legal. And so, from here, Katie, do you remember, I know we talked to the Attorney General, I think it was about a month ago here in Ohio. Yes.

Now, and we talked also about the Heartbeat Bill being triggered once Robbie Wade fell. Do you know? Yes. Do you know, when will that go into effect? It's supposed to be immediately.

Yes. Actually, Attorney General Dave Yost did, you know, he was true to his word when he spoke with us last month. And he did go into court and he requested that the injunction that has been, you know, prohibiting the, you know, the inaction of the Heartbeat Bill be lifted. And just before I called you this evening on your show, I happened to check some news stories. And right across one of the local stations it said, Ohio Heartbeat Bill goes into effect.

So it sounds like the judge did lift the injunction because there was nothing else that, you know, she could do at that point. And so, yes, as of now, we do have the Heartbeat Bill, the one that was passed all the way back in 2019, but has been kind of in limbo for, you know, for three years since then. So now we have that.

So that's great. But, you know, of course, as you know, Pastor, because you're part of the Right to Life Action Coalition of Ohio, we are, you know, we're not going to stop there. We're still going to keep working to get a personhood bill going in the Ohio Senate. And, you know, we want that unborn child's personhood recognized as a protected status.

So, you know, that's something that, you know, we're going to keep pushing for. And so we're not going to give up until there's absolutely no murder of innocence in the state of Ohio. Well, you know, one of the problems we've had from the very beginning was whatever, you know, regulations that they had in these bloody abortion mills, they just never kept up.

They never did it. They didn't apply, comply with the laws. You know, I mean, half the bloody abortion mills in this state were running without a license, had no license for years. And so are we going to be able to enforce that, do you think?

Well, that's a very good question. And, yes, as a matter of fact, talking about the, you know, prior to this decision coming down, you know, we had six surgical abortion facilities in Ohio. And as of, you know, last time I checked, which was, I think, last month, all six of them were operating under expired licenses. And, you know, so it's very frustrating because you bring this to the attention of the Ohio Department of Health and then nothing happens. You know, the Ohio Department of Health is the one supposed to be overseeing this stuff.

And they continually grant, you know, variances and extensions and everything else, or they just flat out ignore it altogether. So, you know, we at Cleveland Rights to Life and the Action Coalition, that's one of the things that we, you know, we know that we have to work on is to kind of get down to the enforcement issue because you're absolutely correct. You know, it's great to have the heartbeat bill, but, you know, who knows if it's going to be enforced.

And so the next, you know, the next frontier, once a fetal heartbeat is detected, now they're going to start pushing the chemical abortion pills. That's something else that we have to keep an eye on as well. And we, you know, we have talked to some legislators down in Columbus who have agreed that what's going on with these abortion clinics is egregious. And, you know, we're talking to some of them about possibly at least holding some public hearings, because I think a lot of even people down in Columbus have no clue what's going on, honestly. And so it's up to us to inform them. And some of them are really horrified when we tell them about the things that are just going by the wayside and nobody's, you know, everybody's turning a blind eye to it. So it is very frustrating because we get these laws on the books and then, you know, whether they're actually going to be enforced the way they're supposed to is anybody's guess. So that's going to be our next, the next battle that we're going to fight.

So we have a couple of, you know, we have a couple of things going on and we're going to do our best to try to hold their feet to the fire. I think they know that all eyes are going to be on them. And, you know, whether they, you know, start complying is going to be, you know, it's going to be tough because they have all the money of Planned Parenthood and ACLU and everybody else behind them. And, you know, they're not going to want to give up that. You just, you just gave the answer to that. It's called pay to play. Look, I wondered, you know, here's what they do. Do you remember a guy named Joe Shidler?

Uh, no sir. Pro-Life Action League out of Chicago, the grandfather of the Pro-Life Action. He was, he was out there, the very first people back when we, when Roe v. Wade was passed.

Joe was, he led where it came to coming out against these bloody abortion mills and preaching out in front of them and speaking and going into them. And what happened was he had, he made a DVD. Back in those days it was the old, not the DVDs, but what were they called? The old cassette? VHS. VHS, yeah.

Yeah. And so, when he had it, he had these women that had come out of the abortion industry, they were working in there. And they gave testimony on how they actually had workshops on how to get these politicians into bed, how to bribe them, how to blackmail them. And what they would do is they would seduce them. They would go and get them in a motel room. It was right in the video, it was a long video, and you had all these women giving the testimony. And they would take like a wash rag or an ashtray, anything that had, even a little, you know, tablet, whatever had the logo of that hotel on it. And when it came to legislation, they would write them a little letter, send that piece and say, remember this night?

And say, you're going to sponsor or vote for this bill or people will find out about this, okay? And that was one of the things they did. I was just absolutely, you know, dumbfounded. I've known Mike DeWine for 40 years.

Mike and George Wernovitch and I spoke together on many occasions. And he was adamantly pro-life, adamantly pro-life. And then all of a sudden he appoints Amy Acton? What happened here?

What happened? Something is totally, completely wrong, okay, here. And so, and that is why with her, and now her successor is the reason why they're not enforcing these laws.

And, you know, that's why these are running without licenses at all. And the corruption, what do you think about all that? Well, you know, I can't speak to any corruption that's currently going on. But I, you know, like you, I'm a little surprised. Because even though I've only been with Cleveland Right to Life for a relatively short period of time, I, you know, I've been in Ohio and so I always thought of Mike DeWine as being very pro-life. You know, he loved to wave his pro-life credentials around and, you know, how many kids he and Fran have and everything.

And, you know, I thought, okay, well, that's great. But, you know, I was just totally shocked at the way he totally buckled under when it came to this whole pandemic nonsense and everything that happened and shut everything down. And he, you know, he let this Amy Acton person call the shots on everything. And I was really shocked because I, you know, I thought, hey, we have a Republican governor, we're not going to look like New York and, you know, shut down and, you know. And the fact that he was letting this Obama activist... And who was involved with Planned Parenthood.

She was involved with Planned Parenthood up to her eyeballs. And so, I mean, you know, it's just, I'm saying, and Mike and George Voitovich and I, we spoke together at pro-life events several times and just amazing. Well, we're coming up to a break. And when we come back after the break, we have a whole lot of stuff to cover. I mean, boy, we really do because we got to lay out our battle plans. And John McTernan, Chaplain, would you get ready to say a prayer because we need some courage. We need some courage, right? So we'll be back right after this. Don't go away.

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