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Thank you. This is What's Right, What's Left with Pastor Ernie Sanders. Good evening and welcome to another edition of What's Right, What's Left. I'm radio pastor Ernie Sanders and indeed this is the voice of the Christian Resistance now more than ever. And tonight we have with us there on the board ready to stand fast and defend our rights and our freedoms, none other than the mighty Andrew. That's right pastor, I'm standing tall. Alright, I know you are. And then way out yonder, riding the dusty trails of Missouri, we have the parson Joe Larson.
Yes sir, your highly unpaid professional assistant is here, ready to go to work. And here I, their hero, am ready to roll too. One of these days. Right, you know what, I don't care what they say Joe, you and I are not two old worn out preachers, we're full of them.
Right? Okay. We're ready to go. We may be old but we're not worn out. We might be old but we're not cold, right?
No. And we're still bold, aren't we? Yes indeed. Alright, so let's get after it tonight. We got a whole lot of stuff, I mean a lot, a lot of stuff.
We got about three nights worth of programming to cover tonight but we'll do what we can. The title of the message was, go ahead remember, Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter. Alrighty, now Joe, the point of this message this week is for the folks out there not to let the world steal their joy. You know this whole idea about be afraid, remember what Carl Marx put out there, keep people, keep them afraid, keep them off balance, keep them confused.
You know, the whole idea was to do what's happening. Now I find something very strange happening right now, and that is this, that Joe, the deathocrats, you know those democrats, those liberals, the burn, loot, murder, and antiphon, the whole, a bunch of the lower echelon and the death of the catachractic. Collective there, you might say the proletariat.
Guess what? They're pushing back against taking the bioweapon vax. They are, and what's happened, they've actually joined in with some pro-life groups, pro-life groups to fight against the vax. That's an interesting thing because, Joe, it looks like they're all for death except for when it comes to their own.
Yeah, when it comes to themselves they kind of, well that's with most things, they want to make rules and regulations for you and me but not for them, for themselves, but when it comes to letting others die, yeah that's great, but boy they don't want to. But a point you were saying on this, don't let the world steal your joy, even the night I noticed on television, what's his name? What program, are you talking about Fox News? Fox, yeah. Tucker Carlson?
Tucker, yeah. He was talking about how Americans are poorer, sadder, more fearful, more depressed, more isolated. He was talking about how cancer and other health problems are sky high, church attendance is 50% off, obesity ups, drug use is sky high, overdoses sky high, suicides up, crime up. He was talking about what the government has done with their rules, regulations, lockdowns. The people are in a bad way right now and yet you and I know people that are happy, joyful, strong in the Lord and because we have that indwelling of the Holy Spirit, we are not sadder or fearful or depressed or isolated, we're none of those things.
And that's I guess a big key tonight is that message was so needed, don't let the world steal your joy, what you just said was so important. Absolutely, see that's their whole point and as we go through this message we'll take a look at that because fear, the whole idea is to make people afraid, afraid, this is all of the fake news media, those that are contracted liars. Folks, I hate to tell you but when I say this that they're contracted liars, I'm not being facetious, they are contracted to lie.
They don't call it lie, they call it narrative, in other words, whatever lie they're told to tell, they'll sign a contract and say yes I agree to tell that lie but what happens if they say it comes to a lie that's just too big and say this one's too much. Even my own family won't buy into this, I can't do it, then they get fired, right? Pretty much, but all through history the oppressors have always used fear to control the masses. Fear has always been one of the big motivators and world leaders, powerful people understand that the sheeple, it's all about fear, you get the people afraid and you tell them you'll protect them, you have something to do that'll help them and they run to that instead of going to the one who can truly help the Lord God.
Yeah, it kind of works this way. God has no problems but he's got all the answers. We have very few answers and we've got all the problems, right?
Right, exactly. Well let's start out in a place where all the answers can be found and that's in God's word, the King James Bible. And so why don't you just go ahead and read verses 9, chapter, Ecclesiastics chapter 12 verses 9-14.
And the subtitle, The Whole Duty of Man. And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge. Yea, he gave good heed and sought out and said in order many proverbs. The preacher sought to find out acceptable words and that which was written was upright, even words of truth. The words of the wise are as goats and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies which are given from one shepherd. And further by these, my son, be admonished of making many books. There is no end and much study is a worryness of the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter. Fear God and keep his commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment with every secret thing whether it be good or whether it be evil.
Okay, so here, that should have had a non-man after that. Amen. Well, you know, from chapter 1-12, okay, basically this last part summarizes the entire chapter. And the whole point that Solomon was making is that we should enjoy life. That while we're here, we should enjoy it and not let the world, the things of this world, rob us of that joy, huh?
Exactly, yep. So he says, and moreover because the preacher was wise, now this was Solomon obviously, he was known for a little wisdom, and here he says, and he taught, and he still taught the people knowledge. Now, you know, the Bible says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, the fear of the Lord, yeah. Now, Solomon was the preacher, he taught the people knowledge, he gave them instructions on what they should heed or be alert to. Of course, and then the acceptable words are found here in this Bible, not the woke language of illusion, confusion, and delusion, which are to be rebuked, refused, and removed, right?
Amen. That's it, we are to refute, and if that doesn't work, rebuke, which is the stronger term. Right, and the preacher sought to find acceptable words, and that which was written was upright, even words of truth, and of course when we talk about, again, the woke movement out there today, or what they call, they used to call political correctness. Now, when he talks about the goads, the words otherwise are goads, the goads, Joe, they kept the oxen moving in the right direction, and that's exactly what God's word will do for us, won't it?
Right, if we are following the words, we will go on that narrow path that leads to righteousness and salvation. He goes on to say, and further, by these, my son, be admonished of making many books there is no end, and much study is awareness of the flesh. So, over the years, I've had more than a dozen people come and ask me to write a book, and it's because, you know, all of the things that have happened over 49 years, I can honestly say I haven't had one boring day, not one boring day in those 49 years. And we've had a lot of strange things, I will have to say I've had an extremely interesting life, Joe.
And, I mean, one thing, it hasn't been boring, and so, you know, I've had to deal with demon possession, I've had at least six to seven times people try to kill me, you know, and all this stuff because of what we do here in the ministry, okay? And so, we've had an interesting life, but here, Joe, let me just say this, every single book, and right now there's over a billion books on this planet, but one day, and I think that day won't be too far away, every single word in every single book will be forgotten except for one book. There's only one book that, even though Heaven and Earth will pass, will never pass away. The words in that book will never, ever pass. And that's the book I've got my hand on right now, right? Right. So I guess... They will come, when the Lord comes to reign, His book is going to take, well, first priority over everything ever written, right?
Absolutely. And like I said, everything ever written, but this will be forgotten, won't it? This, I think, was definitely written for us because, as I was doing some research, he talks about making many books, there is no end. Well, there were books back there, there were scholars and books, but not like we have today. When you say many books, we go into a library, you go online and go to a college, university library, the books on different subjects, massive amount of information out there, and yet, all the information needed for happiness, joy, peace, love and salvation is found in one book, and that book's hardly ever mentioned in the library or online or anything else. It's through the preachers, and yet it's still one of the best-selling books in the world. Well, absolutely. Turn over to Proverbs 23.
All right. Can I, oh, one thing, we missed one line in that verse 11. He talked about the fastening nails which were given from one shepherd. That shepherd, he's referring to the pre-incarnate Christ, I mean, that's Christ, he is what? The shepherd. Yeah. And it was a reference in there that I think a lot of people miss.
One shepherd, I think they got confused. Anyway, I wanted to mention that before we went on. Proverbs 23, and verses what, 23 and 24? Correct. These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment.
He that saith unto the wicked thou art righteous, him shall the people curse, nation shall abhor him. No, no, you're in 24. Go to 23. Yeah, you're right.
How did I jump over? That was good scripture, anyhow. Yeah, 23, buy the truth and sell it not, also wisdom and instruction and understanding.
The father of righteous shall greatly rejoice, and he that begetteth a wise child shall have joy of him. All right, going back to 23, buy the truth, buy the truth and sell it not. That means hang on to that, okay?
Right. Now one of the founding fathers of the modern progressive deathocratic mob was Karl Marx. He instructed his students to rule the proletariat by keeping them in fear, keeping them confused, keeping them off balance and indoctrinated. Now that's exactly... Not educated, right, notice not educated but indoctrinated. That's exactly the strategy that the communists are shoving down the throats of the simple-minded viewers today of ABC, NBC, PMS, NBC, CNN, CBS. Now Joe... And through the public school system. What we...
Same thing. Today I was listening to a neo-evangelical and he was saying that somewhere along the line the public school system went from educating to indoctrinating. Yeah, well, somewhere, and that happened way back, that was really, it really took off back about 1962 is when it really took off.
It started in the 20s and 30s and gradually out and then it really took off like he did in the middle of the 60s. And so we got on it by early 1970, we were already on it telling people, look, do you see what's happening here, the indoctrination period. We were going after it and back in the early 70s we were encouraging people, please, folks, get your kids now, get your children out of the public schools.
They've already gone bad, get them out of there. Now, it wasn't the same all across the city, country, the cities, the big cities usually were the much worse. And that usually comes to every kind of crime and every kind of sin that's usually in the big cities. And some of the outgoing school districts were not nearly as bad, but today the federal government is involved in the curriculum. And the federal government is involved in this whole, you know, this anti-white, what they call critical race theory. And what's happening too, Joe, you know, we're seeing more and more that federal tax dollars are coming to these school boards. I was just hearing today one chairman of the school board was saying, we're getting $25 million, $25 million to make sure those children wear masks. You know, that's a part of it, to get that, to increase it, you know, this is, and it's making kids sick, it's making children sick and it's killing them.
But it's all about control, isn't it? Well, yes, brainwashing control and again installing fear. They've been telling the kids with the, started with global warming and then climate change that, you know, mankind is destroying the earth and you and your carbon footprint. And we had children wanting to commit suicide, becoming emotionally disturbed because they were destroying the planet that they live on because they were born. And we have these new age parents don't want to have any children because they're destroying the earth.
I mean, it goes on and on and on. I remember, Joe, back, back when, remember when you had the standoff in Cuba when Kennedy and Khrushchev were facing off? And there was a fella, I remember, we used to go down after school back in those days in high school and we had, we had this like little country store.
It was a little small little country store and wouldn't, you know, they had like pop machines in there and ice cream coolers and cupcakes and candies and stuff. And we would go, we'd walk on down there and when that was on the news where you had, where the Navy had set up around the blockade around Cuba and this one fella, he was watching the news and he allowed them, because they kept showing you the nuclear blasts on television because we were talking about this, we could be in a nuclear war, standoff with Russia. And here, he had a nervous breakdown right in that store. Don't you, he started yelling, don't you understand what's happening? We can all get nuclear, we could be in a nuclear war, we could all be dead. He, this young guy, high school kid, now think about today with all of what is happening, they're using, put your mask on, put your mask on.
You better take the shot, you know. And it's very incoming and it's highly contagious. Yeah, and you know, you might even think you're a girl but you're really not.
You're a boy now and that micro-conditis could get you because you're confused about who you are. I mean, the kids today are really, the children are really confused and this is by no accident, these people, there are sick, sick, sick people working in what used to be at one time was the education system. Today is nothing but the indoctrination system and it seems like those, the very sickest people in our age found their way into the education system and they brought in under them people that are just as sick mentally, I mean mentally deranged to teach all of this stuff to the children. It's just unbelievable but that's exactly what, let's read this, let me read this verse again. Buy the truth and sell it not. Joe, we have the only perfect source of truth right here in the Word of God. Again, the simple-minded think that we are the ones that have been deceived and they so very, very much, you know it's an interesting thing because I was listening to these You know, Fauci was given the award of the world humanist, he was given the humanist of the year, did you know that? No, I missed that.
I really did. Yeah, well you see Fauci, Fauci who is one of the Pope's favorite Catholics, Fauci is a humanist that doesn't believe in God. Now, I mean think about that, is that something that's maybe a tad bit confusing?
Right, now here, here's a people that say there is no God but they hate with a passion that very God that doesn't exist. Right. Something that's not quite right about all that, isn't there? Well, I think that's called an oxymoron, that's a true oxymoron. Well, those oxymorons come from morons, right? Exactly. Alrighty. Exactly.
I was thinking something if I remember correctly, yeah. John Adams back in 1765, a native of America who cannot read or write is rare as an appearance as a comet or an earthquake. A survey in 1800 cited that only four out of every thousand children were illiterate. Well, back in the early 90s, three sources I had said, well no I guess it was the middle 90s, 45 to 50 percent of Americans were functionally illiterate. I remember when business people were telling me the kids graduating from high school couldn't fill out the applications correctly, that the spelling was atrocious and whatever, couldn't figure it out.
Yeah, you were talking about how they dumbed down, but the children were well aware of fear, weren't they? Yeah. Joe, I gotta make some announcements quickly. Folks, get your pens and paper, you gotta write this phone number down.
In fact, anytime you listen to this program, have pencil, pen and paper handy because we're always giving out something you're going to take a note on. This is an action request, it's an action request and we need your action right away. Now, to protect our medical freedoms, House Bill 218, the Liquor Bill Vaccine Mandate Bill will have its first hearing this week in the General Government Budget Committee. Now, House Bill 218 takes away the medical rights of a select group and allows for mandates of vaccines that are approved by the FDA. This includes vaccines that are derived from aborted babies that are used in testing, production or both. So House Bill 218 destroys our health care freedoms which is protected by the Ohio Constitution. The pro-life community must stand against any and all medical procedures, testing and experimenting that involve aborted babies. These activities perpetuate the lucrative horrific business of trafficking in murdered aborted babies parts. House Bill 218 also allows for mask mandates and mandatory testing as long as the school or employer pays for them. You know what?
Let me just tell you this, Joe, real quickly. I saw today too where a school was getting a huge amount of money for giving out vaccines for vaccinating children, but let me go on. It fails to protect our health care workers for this mandate and gives even more authority to the Ohio Department of Health concerning testing. The original bill had to do with extending the hours of alcohol sales on Sundays.
The liquor bill language was entirely replaced with HB 435 language and the new language and then passed the House in just three hours on Wednesday of last week, which is the rush. Well, the timing and the lack of transparency of our leaders should be very concerning. They're corrupt. They're crooked. Folks, any time they rush a bill, any time that there's no real public input, there's something they're hiding, they don't want you to see, don't want you to know, so there's very little public notice, publicity, and this is why they pass a lot of stuff in the middle of the night or in dead silence.
That way you won't know about it. Okay, so here, what you need to do is you need to call and urge, we can stop it in the Senate, your Senator, to vote no on House Bill 218. You need to call and urge your Ohio Senator. Now, the number you call, this is the number to the State House, it'll give you either the State Rep or the Senator's office.
Just tell them who your Senator is and they'll connect you. It's 614-466-8842. It's 614-466-8842. That's 614-466-8842. You need to do that tomorrow.
You really do. Okay, very quickly, I've got another announcement to make, and that announcement is that out here in Geauga Portage in Cuyahoga and Lake County, folks, we are going to have Geauga County Right to Light presents a classic Christmas concert. It's very important, very important that you attend this, and it's going to be held at the Chester Christian Center this coming Sunday, December 5th at 7 p.m. You're going to see doors, all the doors of the word will be there. This will be the Chester Christian Center, Assembly of God Church, and it'll be at 11815 Chillicothe Road. That's 11815 Chillicothe Road. That's about two miles north of Route 322 on Route 306.
About two miles north of Route 322 or about two miles south of Route 6 on Route 306. And again, for more information, you can call 440-533-1395, 440-533-1395 or 216-299-6909, 216-299-6909. Has our guest called in yet, Andrew? All right, we're going to go to our guest tonight, and that's Dr. Steven Jacobs.
Are you there, Dr. Jacobs? I am. All right, and you are with the Illinois Right to Life? That's right, I'm program director at Illinois Right to Life. I recently started in 2019 after I graduated with my Ph.D. Well, we have a big day coming up on Wednesday, and you folks have filed an amicus brief there that's going to the Supreme Court.
Tell us about it. That's right. So we had actually filed multiple amicus briefs, so we were one of eight entities around the nation that actually filed a brief at what's called the CERT stage. So this was back in June of 2020, and we encouraged the court to take this case. So indeed, after many weeks of delay, they agreed to hear the case, and then we filed another brief at what's called the merit stage.
So we were one of 80 entities around the nation to file a brief urging the court to overturn Roe v. Wade because a state has a 10th Amendment right to protect life within its jurisdiction and a 14th Amendment duty to provide equal protection to all humans, born and preborn. You're absolutely right. I'm just going to tell you, apart from unless we can get people all over this nation praying, I got to tell you, I don't have a lot of confidence in that court at all. I don't. And I know that there's three new people that President Trump put on there, but we are so used, as you've seen, what's taken place with all the election fraud, and we're so used to being betrayed by people we have put trust in. And so the only way I think that if people all over this country would pray for the Lord to intercede in this, because I'll tell you, I don't trust many of those so-called pro-life judges.
What do you think? Right. So first off, I would never want to discourage people from praying for not only intercession, but also for his will to be done. But I want to say that you're 100% right in that in 1992, we had an even bigger majority of constitutionalists on the Supreme Court. And at the last minute surreptitiously, without the other Republicans knowing, Justice Kennedy worked with the, let's say, pro-abortion side to steal from the pro-life movement what was a guaranteed victory. Now, the reason why I have the utmost confidence that it will be overturned is because the Supreme Court had a record-setting 25 delays when they were considering this case. So every Monday morning for several months, I was checking the Supreme Court website, and they were supposed to determine whether or not they would hear this case. And they kept delaying it, putting it off week after week after week. And I take that as evidence that they were actually deliberating on the case behind closed doors, and they were deciding whether or not they would overturn it before they even decided to hear it.
But, sorry for the long response, but I want to say that I couldn't agree with you more about the failures, especially in the pro-life movement. So I have to say it breaks my heart how many articles I see from supposed pro-lifers who talk about returning the issue to the states, talking about how it's a democratic issue. Do you think it would be a democratic issue if a state decided tomorrow to amend their homicide laws to only protect white people? Do you think the Supreme Court would remain silent on that, or do you think that they would say that the 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection to all humans, and therefore that law would be unconstitutional?
What do you think? Well, I totally agree with you, but on the other hand, right now with the atmosphere, and I would hope I would be wrong, but with the atmosphere that's in the country, if they were to go the other way with that and say the law will only protect black people, I would be concerned, because there has been such a woke movement and a push in there, and we have to understand there's a lot of dark things taking place. You know, I teach biblical law, and I can tell you, when God gave us the divine institution of human government, he gave us five points, very, very clear points in that. The very first one to be, and by the way, you find that in the Noahic Covenant, where we got the divine institution of human government, the very, very first point was, to whom it was given, and you find that in Genesis chapter 9, verses 10, 12, and 15, and 16. And that is, he gave it to all mankind, for perpetual generations, to all living creatures, okay, and so here, that's to whom it was given.
The second point was the intent. The intent of real, we're talking about real government, real, okay, not what we have is a very far corrupted image of that, but the intent was, and you find that in verses 1-4, man was to govern for God, man was to govern for God. The third point was the most important point, the most important point, and that was the entire purpose, the purpose of divine human government. Here's the purpose of divine human government. You find that in verses 5-7, that God gave dominion of man in verses 1-4, gave dominion of the earth, gave dominion of the earth to mankind, not to Al Gore, not to the EPA, but to mankind, humanity. But he kept dominion of man for himself. He tells you that there, so the entire purpose, the entire purpose of divine human government was to preserve the image of God that being man.
And the very first command that God gave us was be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth, and he gives you that three times by the time you hit to Genesis chapter 9. And so here, the fourth point was the ways that, the means by which man was to govern, and that was God's laws, God's statutes, God's covenants, God's precepts, God's promises. And then the last point, Dr. Jacobs, was that those nations and those people that would be in line with the first four points, that would be in obedience to the first four points, in compliance to the first four points, they would be at peace and not at war with God. Today, I don't think you find too many nations that are at peace with God, okay? And so, that's the divine human government. So, the entire purpose, pardon?
Number five was compliance with the first four. Yeah. And so, by the way, that's Pastor Joe Larson. Yeah, good evening. Welcome. Good evening, Pastor. Thank you.
Okay. Anyhow, so, there you go. That's human government. Now, going to that court, to be truthful with you, that court, in 1973, they were only supreme in the rebellion against God. What they basically did, Dr. Jacobson says, look, we will take what God has made unlawful, and that's the destruction, the destroying of his image, we will make it lawful by purchasing a license with madmen. Therefore, we will let you allow you to destroy the very image of God, which is absolutely, totally against the entire purpose of divine human government.
Right. And while I perfectly understand that, I am a bit of a historian on the case, and I do have to say that there were two opportunities for Texas attorneys in the Roe case to defend the fertilization view, that they had had these oral arguments, like we're having on Wednesday, and they actually even had an oral re-argument, a second oral argument. In both instances, the Supreme Court justices asked Texas attorneys, when does human's life begin, and both times, they failed to defend the fertilization view. While I do know that we as humans have known that life begins at fertilization since the early 1800s, the fact that those attorneys who were supposed to defend the Texas abortion law, which banned it at fertilization, the fact that they couldn't defend that view, I mean, I'm not here to make excuses for them, but what I can say is, it is of the utmost importance that Scott Stewart of Mississippi said on Wednesday, if he has that opportunity, that he corrects a record that has been used over the last 49 years. I don't know if you knew this, but over 1 billion humans have been killed in abortions around the world since the year 2000. Each year, 56 million humans are killed in abortions.
So I couldn't agree more about how antithetical this is to creation and being fruitful and multiplying and God's image. Sorry, the numbers, it still blows my mind. I've had to look up the numbers hundreds of times because it's hard to fathom loss of life on that scale.
Well, you know, first of all... Yes, so, and this is actually according to Gut Mocker Institute, which is a pro-abortion research organization, 56 million humans are killed in abortions each year. So for the last 20 years, since the year 2000, it's well over a billion. And did you know that 56 million number, that's the same number that died from all other causes combined, as reported by the World Health Organization. So that means the same number died from abortion as obesity, old age, cancer, AIDS, accidents, and every other cause of death. That's how significant abortion is. Well, you know, here's the other thing, point one, the children, the babies are the most favored by God. But point two, when he argues this case about when does life begin, God's word in the Bible doesn't stutter. You know, many times over the years, I used to get arrested for being out in front of abortion mills and preaching out in front of the abortion mills, and we rescued over 24,000 babies since 1974 in our ministry.
And so I would be in court a lot, and if I was the only one that was charged, now I can only do it if I was the only one that was charged, I could use my venue to defend myself, and I did. That's the King James Bible. And so when the court asked what sovereign nation authorized that as the book of law, I would say King James of England, you know, 1611, and I defended myself. Now, if they argue that in Jeremiah 1.5, God has ordained Jeremiah while he was in the womb, okay, while he was in the womb. Now, also he tells you in Ephesians, before we were even born, okay, he has given us a name. So then obviously God does not ordain dead people, does he? Correct, or pre-living, right, yeah.
Right. So you've got the, this is the highest degree of authority in existence, God's Word, the King James Bible. There is no higher authority in existence, and there never will be, than this book. And so that's what I would argue on, boy would I argue that. Yeah, certainly, because I'm trying to convince people who supposedly support science, that's why my approach was to actually survey biologists around the world. I surveyed over 5500, and 85% were pro-abortion themselves, but I found that 96% affirmed that a human's life begins at fertilization. So from a scientific perspective, there is no dispute that abortion is a form of homicide. You know, over the years I've had a debate, a number of pro-deathers, and I did, I mean, and it would come to the point where, when they would ask, it's not a living being until it takes us for its breath, it's not alive, it's not a living. And I would always answer the same way. Well, if it's not alive, why do you have to kill it? I mean, you can't kill something that's not alive, right? And they would never have an answer for that.
Then you would get the crickets, there would never be an answer for that. What we use is something called common sense that's lacking on the side of the left, isn't it? Unfortunately. And then, you know, in terms of consistency, right, so somebody will parrot a statistic about climate change and climate scientists who, you know, make a certain statement, and they'll throw that number in your face. But then if you mention the biologist's consensus on when life begins, all of a sudden that's unimportant. That's to be disregarded.
So it's quite unfortunate. Dr. Jacobs, remember that article a while back we did on the radio, I'm sure you heard where the scientists were looking at the cell that was being fertilized, the sperm and egg, and they saw the flash of light under the high-powered microscope, and they realized there was this flash of light at conception. Is that any scientific evidence that was used or can be used in this case? You know, there's a lot of scientific evidence that has been proffered in the case.
I have heard that story, I've heard others try to push back against it. For me, my approach really is a matter of its biological classification, right? So if we know the Constitution applies to persons, and we know persons are defined as natural persons, which are humans, and legal persons, which are those things we ascribe to humanity. So like, for instance, in Argentina, an orangutan was declared a person.
In America, corporations are declared persons, right? So if we know that all humans are persons, and we need to establish the humanity, the simplest way is to just look at principles of biological classification. And I actually did, I recently published a peer-reviewed journal article in Issues in Law and Medicine, where I looked at the literature, and there were just dozens of articles from top journals like Nature, Science, Cell, and these journals, they advance the fertilization view without citation and without explanations.
Now why would they do that? In articles where you have to prove every claim you make, it's because it's so well accepted, it would be like saying water is H2O. You wouldn't need to explain that. You wouldn't need to give a citation because everybody knows it. And that's how the fertilization view appears in the scientific literature. Because at the end of the day, any scientist who's honest would admit that it is a biological human at the single cell stage, despite how, you know, people might not accept that. Yeah, the founding fathers would call that what, the mass organic utterances?
Ah, yep. All right, well, what, so you believe, you've got, you think that we're going to get a victory here. Yeah, Robert George of Princeton, and I've already set myself up to eat a big crow sandwich if I'm wrong, but there is not a scintilla of doubt in my mind. The only possibility would be if they somehow packed the court or if there was some kind of threat made against the justices, and while that might seem farfetched, I was outside the Supreme Court in 2020, and I heard Chuck Schumer threaten two sitting justices on the Supreme Court if they were to come after Roe v. Wade. So I'd never put anything past, you know, certain Democrat operatives who are so dedicated to abortion access that I, you know, I hate to think what they could do, but short of that, they would have never agreed to hear this case if they weren't, if they didn't have the votes to overturn it.
So it would take some extraordinary circumstance for Roe v. Wade to not be overturned in this case, in my opinion. Yes, exactly what I've been thinking about the very same thing which you're saying, and I can tell you, of course, I don't have any, I've got no confidence in our so-called Chief Justice. He's not, I can't see him going with us at all. The other one that really is the so-called conservative that I'm very concerned about is Amy Comey Bryant. I don't have a good feeling about her, especially when it comes to the threats, because they're going to come. You know that's going to happen. Would you mind if I shared two anecdotes that might change your opinion on those two justices?
I'd love to hear that, I'd love to hear that. So the first one is actually more of a fact. So when it comes to Chief Justice Roberts, first off, he had upheld this case in June Medical, so this was another case I'd worked on, but he actually said that he upheld the precedent because they did not challenge Roe v. Wade, suggesting that if we did challenge it, he'd be amenable to overturning it. Now, he actually has a vested interest in joining the rest of the conservative justices if they want to overturn it.
Why? Because as the Chief Justice, if he does not join the majority opinion, he doesn't get to decide who writes the opinion. So if he knows that they have five votes, he's actually incentivized to join them, so he could either write it himself, in case he's worried that like Justice Thomas will write an extreme opinion, or if he wants to decide who should write it.
So he has a vested interest if there is a majority, that he would join the majority, especially because six to three would sound much better than five to four on such an important case. And then as for Amy Cote Barrett, just real quickly, during her Supreme Court nomination hearing, somebody had remarked about how tough her life was because she has all these kids and she has this high power job and high pressure job, and she said, Senator, life is hard, but at least it's short. I think that is a tough woman, and I have nothing but confidence in the fortitude in her character, because what she was really saying was, life is short, and that means it's sooner that I'll be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
Well, I am hoping and praying that you're right on that. We have been betrayed so often anymore. I mean, every time we do, I mean, we never should have, I mean, it never should have been, what a horrible thing. But I'm going to tell you this, those that are most responsible for this, for Roe v. Wade being passed, were the pastors. The pastors in this country, the pastors in this country, they had an obligation to Almighty God to march on Washington, D.C., because when they passed Roe v. Wade, what they did, they committed treason. They betrayed God, they betrayed humanity, they betrayed all of us in that office, and they should have been put on trial right there for treason, all of them. But the pastors failed. There was 100 of us went to Washington, D.C., 100 of us, but there should have been 20,000 of us there.
Definitely. And that failure continues to this day. The number of preachers and pastors and clergy that I talk to, and they say that they're so afraid they'll lose their tax-exempt status if they mention abortions, which is not even close to how the law works. Talking about abortion isn't advocating for a particular political candidate. So it's really just an excuse for people to not want to confront the most pressing moral issue we have today, and not want to risk offending somebody in their congregations.
And it's absolutely terrible. You know what, the irony in that is this, okay? I pastor a church, I belong to the UBF, Unregistered Baptist Fellowship, okay? We are not 501c3s. You see, when you become a 501c3, you become a corporation, okay? The church is the living body of Christ.
The living body of Christ. A corporation is, corpus means non-living, you know that, non-living creation of the state. So you agree in a contract, in a covenant with the state, that you're not the living body of Christ, but you're a non-living creation of the state. Okay, first of all, God's Word, the Bible first tells us that we're not only tax-exempt, we're tax-immune. But even the IRS code, I had two former IRS agents on the radio program, and they said they were totally stunned and confused why anyone, why the church would purposely put themselves under that, when the law automatically gives churches tax-exemption to begin with. They couldn't understand that. And you see, it's an amazing thing.
And we teach on biblical law. Andrew, how much time do I have there? Okay, we're going to switch over here, and I want you to keep us informed of what's happening. I tell you what, why don't you stay with us, can you stay with us after the break?
The break will be here in just a few seconds. And then, if you want to stay with us, we're going to switch gears and head in another direction, and we're going to talk about ER visits due to abortion pills of 500%. We're going to start off, but hang in there, and we'll be back after this break, and we'll pick it up right from where we're leaving off here, because, boy, we have a lot more to cover. So, we'll be back after this. Don't go away running out of breath. We'll see you. Be right back. If you missed part of tonight's program, you can check out the podcast at thewordcleveland.com, thewordcleveland.com. Once again, thank you for listening and supporting What's Right. What's Left Ministries, the voice of the Christian resistance. Stay tuned. The second hour is coming up next.
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