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Okay, we're on. I didn't even hear it. Wow. Where on John, are you there? Um here, that's there any no and I didn't hear anything.
You didn't know. I didn't either. Uh, okay.
Well, you know what? This is Friday night. Isn't that amazing? Yeah.
So we better Do you want to go first? We we better get all the folks out there to pray with us, all right? Yeah.
Let's see. Yeah.
So all you folks out there listening here Joined with John and I because we wanted to do the program last night, John. In New York. What are your your old state, New York? We were off, completely off the air in New York. We had so many phone calls, and I mean even got em to day.
And people were really upset. Yeah.
I want to thank all those folks that did call to let us know that we were off because Um Airtime is super expensive. And boy, I sure don't want to pay for any airtime that I'm not getting, okay? And so I want to thank all of you that called to let us know. No. Anyhow, go ahead and folks join in with John and go ahead and lead and I'll finish, John.
Okay. Yeah, I'll before the were before you in the awesome name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And Lord, it seems Friday through the years often has been difficult for all sorts of mechanical problems or electronic problems and health problems. Like with me and Pastor Ernie and others.
So we're asking for your divine protection. We're asking that the show would go out and Okay. of the locations lord and that tonight would be a real blessed night. Jesus would be glorified, the people would be edified. And anoint Pastor Ernie in a great way now.
In Jesus' name, I ask. Amen. Heavenly Father, we're God as we're here today. Lord, the the one thing you demand from cover to cover in your word is In the Bible is obedience. We're here to be in compliance with obedience tonight, Father God.
So. We ask Lord that you would speak through John and I let your truth, your whole truth, your message. Lord, you know who's listening out there. You know what it is that the people need to hear.
So we ask, Lord, that you use us to provide that, that you as you speak through the people. through us through this these microphones here tonight. and that through that you are well pleased, honoured, and glorified, and the people are edified. and tonight's radio program. And we ask again, Lord, that All those that that that are They may be conspiring some mischief against us, Lord.
You know who they are, Lord. We would ask that you would. put a stop to it. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.
Yeah, John, with this with technology and things today they've got all kinds of ways of uh Trying to hinder us. But we're not we're going to continue to get that message out, aren't we? And so Are you still there? I'm here.
Okay, good. I wanted to make you sure. No, I'm just listening to you. Yeah, well was this is Friday night. And Styles in the studio all by himself there Um style, probably nothing'll happen.
I wouldn't be concerned at all.
Okay. I appreciate the reassurance. Not sure what's happened already, but I appreciate the reassurance. Yeah, John. John and I might get some of the opposition pretty mad at us tonight, Sue.
Anyhow, you just um You stay in there and hang in. There's only a couple of hours left. I'll be here. All right. Um You know what the Lord's willing I'm going to be preaching on this coming Sunday?
Is temptation temptation And so There's a good reason for that because We're going to be This country is about to go through some major changes. And the opposition out there is pushing hard. John, would you say that they're pushing very hard for a civil war? Pastor Ernie, they are desperate for it. They'd rather destroy the country Then submit to what God's doing now.
And so without a doubt. Uh certain elements within within the last year. America, they want the Civil War. And so, some of those, and I think we're going to play a clip here at Debanham. Um you know, the hour and to hear It talks about some of those that we're going to be talking about who have got a lot to lose.
coming up because We'd just see Letitia James. She's been indicted now. Um I I hear Bolton is going to be John Bolton had been very, very quiet. Uh they say he's about to be arrested. Um obviously Comey has been indicted and Um He's going to be Um s sentenced, I guess, to you know, sometime in November.
I g I guess he is courting. No, when does he go to court? Was it? Oh. I think it's his trials in November.
But There's a b a number of others. of their um Schiff is one. who's going to be you I think you're gonna see him indicted pretty soon. And so The the whole group, I mean the whole deep state, has got a lot to lose and What happens when you get a lot to lose? What do you want to do?
You want to cause interference, don't you? You want to put up with cause.
something to keep you from uh being arrested. And of course now Here Trump just won that case. that uh judge who said they couldn't use Troops there now in Portland. Just got overturned. And so now uh The National Guard's going to be going in.
Trump's not playing any games. He said he's going to. He's got to. Uh so what do you what do you think these people that are saying that Trump is is drunk with power, he's become a king? What do you think?
What do you have to say? not tomorrow, but the following Saturday, they're having a nationwide protest Claiming that Christ Okay. Christ. Trump is uh becoming a king. And of course, what he's doing, he's not becoming a king.
He's just taking the authority that he has as president and using it to. bring the country in line. But they want to use this as a rallying point and then at the same time, You got the shutdown of the government. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's all converging at the same time, Pester. Yeah.
Stir. They want to get a big stirring in the nation against the Trump and the federal government. In flames, yeah.
Well, anyhow.
So we're going to be subjected to temptations because it's going to happen. You know, this thing with anthophobia, remember, Joe Biden brought in. over twenty million people just to destroy th this country. Biden's goal was to destroy America, to d to d destroy from within. And he's he was the enemy from day one.
And so anyhow, when this all happens as we is is we're going to see that this could, you know You get really nasty. We would be subjected to a temptations that we've never been subjected to before. And so that's kind of What I'm going to be preaching on Lord's Willing Sunday. But let's start in James chapter 1. I'll tell you what.
Let's just read a I'll read a verse and you read a verse and we'll read it all the way through the f the entire chapter, okay? Yeah, hang on, Pastor Ernie. I wasn't uh I gotta get the James. Chapter 1. And I'll be there very shortly.
Okay, I'm there.
Okay. James is servant of God. and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are gathered gath scattered abroad, Greeting. My brethren. Count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations.
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let that patience have her perfect work. that ye may be perfect and and an entire w wanting nothing. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God to give it to all men liberally. and upriseth not, and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, not wavering, for he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven. with the wind and paw. For let not man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord. Hang on this dirty. You got that mechanical Bible, don't you?
Man is unstable in all his ways. Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted. But the rich in that he is made low, because as the flower of the grass he shall pass over. For the sun is no sooner risen with the burning heat but it withereth the grass and the flowers thereof Faileth. And the Grace.
of the fashion of it and also show the rich man fade away in his ways. Blessed is the man that endureth temptation. for when he is tried he shall receive the crown of life which the Lord hath Promise to them that love it. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God. for God cannot be tempted with any.
with evil, neither tempteth he any man. But every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own. Lost and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived it bringeth forth sin, and sin when it has finished bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above and cometh down from the Father of lights. with whom it is no variance, Neither shall sh Shadow of Turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth That we should be a kind of first fruit. of his Creation. Creators Great creatures, yeah.
Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath. For the wrath of man worketh not The righteousness of God. Wherefore All filthiness and superfluity. Of the naughtiness and receive with meekness the engrafted word which is able to save your souls. But being doers of the word and not hearers only.
Deceiving your own selves.
Now, where have I heard that verse before, Pastor? James 10:22. Amen. For if any be a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a Unto a man beholding his Natural face in the glass. and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth there, he being not a forgetful here, but a doer of the work. This man shall be blessed in his deed. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his Oh. but he deceiveth his own heart This man's religion is Yeah. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this To visit the fatherless, and the widows in their affliction.
and to keep himself unspotted from the world. Let's go back to Verse 1 and Take a look and James the servant of God You know, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Well, he was a He was a servant of the Lord, but he was a little more than that, too, wasn't he?
Well, he was one of the leaders of the church, Pastor. Yeah, well he's the leaders of He was also the a half brother of Jesus. The end. That's true. And so In fact, how do we know that he was a leader of the church?
What was the. One thing that kind of really showed that. was that y Paul and Peter both c reported to James.
So he goes on to say. Um my brother encountered all joy when You fall into divers temptations, boy What do you how how do you figure that, John?
Well, those temptations, if I understand correct, are testing.
So Go ahead. But as we as we get the victory, over the test things, it's counted all joy because these test things are put in front of you and you're going to get You're going to go through it in Christ. and get the victory.
So, those testings that are put in front of us, are those to make us stronger? Are those to break us? Stronger. Because well, So when you when you fall into temptation, what is the remedy? When you fall into it, I would say repentance.
And Get right back on your feet with the Lord.
So it's it's kind of a matter. It's kinda like Like a Well, I don't want to call it basic training, but in in a sense Um building up your strength and your faith, huh? Absolutely. Yeah.
We need that, um What do you call pencil? Right. We need that uh test things to grow. If there were no testings, we'd probably just stay the way we are, but Those testings cause us to overcome them. And we we grow spiritually.
If any of you lack wisdom Let him ask of God that giveth to all men liberally. And I've and abrideth And it should be given him. Um But let him ask in faith Nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like the water of the seas driven with the wind and tossed.
So what do you think that means? Um well, with to ask God for wisdom, it's you know, it's it's right there. We need wisdom. We need God's wisdom to function in this world, Pastor Frank. And God will give it to you.
They have the word it doesn't sound like a good word today, does it, liberally? But that means bountifully. Yeah.
Mm-hmm. And a brighteth not, and that means. To that's an ugly word, Peter. And I don't know how to quite put my That means not to try to put a bridle on anything that Uh In other words, not to to compromise in any way.
So when you when you're asking yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. No, yeah, yeah, I just see it. A brightest not is uh isn't a brightest more like uh anger and uh Defame and things like that. Yeah.
In other words, it's is not to Make it anything less than it is, or not to any way. Uh change it. Oh, okay. And let it be given to her. Yeah.
them We've got to stand, Pastor Ernie, that the Lord's going to give it to us in abundance. Absolutely. And When we ask There's the wisdom of this world past tyranny, but then there's God's wisdom.
So, when we ask for the wisdom. Does that come in the form of discernment? I would say yes. Yeah.
Spiritual yes, definitely. Let's ask Styles, see what he knows. He's probably Oh, okay.
Well, I c w it's working all right now. It just, uh Just I didn't hear anything. But anyhow. Um He goes on to say But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering For he that waveth is like a wave of the sea driven with a wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord.
Well, let me go one more verse. A double minded man is unstable in all of his ways.
So he's telling you when you're gonna do something to be all in, right? To be all in. Um You know, not Not a a compromiser, not someone who Uh Let's see. What would be some good Examples in scripture of someone who was not all all in. To begin with.
Well, obviously the obvious one was Judas. Yeah, Judas was but He wouldn't have com committed suicide. He he didn't Things did not work out the way he he had planned them, huh? No, goodness. And he let the he let Satan enter into him, didn't he?
He sure did, Pete. What about Peter? Peter, uh wasn't really all in in the beginning, was he? Um he well, he was like, um He was a a little bit like a wild man and, um It was. I I guess you would He was like back and forth.
But again, at the same time, Pastor Ernie, he's the one that got out of the boat to walk on the water with the Lord. You know? Yeah, but what happened when he got out of the boat walking in the water? Was he looking at the boat or did he look down?
Well, at least he got out of the boat. He was looking at the waves and that didn't go too good. Uh the Lord had a g grab when he was sinking. And so So, anyhow, for let not that man think that he shall receive anything. A double-minded man.
is unstable in all of his ways.
Now If you were to think of someone who, well, there's a lot of good examples of that. of a double minded man out there today and of course we we see a lot of that. We see people that have ever Those that have turned uh pretended to be one thing and ended up being all the deep state people like Um Uh Um bar Oh. And what was it? What is it?
Bob Bar or Bill Bar? Uh oh yeah. Uh His name is Bill Barr, right, right? Yeah, Bob Barr was a congressman. Like Bill Blair was the Attorney General.
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Well, he was. Yes, you'd think he was with Trump, but he wasn't. It wouldn't have. I think it's got it. Deep stayer.
But he was he he was kind of convincing There for a while, wasn't he? Until you found out who he was. You know what, Pastor and he you gotta go back in his past. Remember w wasn't he like the chief prosecutor there at the time of Waco in that? Yeah.
Yeah, no I'm not sure. Uh let me look well because we're running out of time here. We're going to have to pick this up. Lord's willing, I'm going to be preaching on this this week. And, uh, this Sunday, Lord's Williams.
Anyhow, There's a there's a lot, a lot, a lot in this passage of scripture. But anyhow, We're going to take a look I I look at the book of James like Proverbs I I they it seems to James, like the book. No problem. Yeah, you know, in a sense, yeah, you you you would be right there.
Alright, we're gonna go to Okay. We're going to take a look at Operation Mockingbird. This is something that you and I were Very familiar with John. Uh And uh a lot of the especially the young people nowadays might not. be very familiar with, but uh Go ahead and do her style.
Television news in the U.S. first began to take shape in the late 1940s, shortly after World War II. And back then the news felt sacred. Every evening, Americans tuned into the same voices. Men like Walter Cronkite, Edward R.
Murrow. and then rather. trusted faces who spoke with calm authority. They weren't just reporters. They were the nation's conscience.
And when Cronkite said something, people believed it. But what if even that truss was manufactured? What if, behind those polished desks and deep voices, someone else was pulling the strings? Because as we now know, CBS Time magazine. and a dozen other outlets were quietly working with the CIA.
And it wasn't to keep you safe. It was to shape what you believed. And here's the part no one wants to admit, it didn't stop. It just went digital. Today, the lines between the media and intelligence are more blurred than ever.
And it all started with a little-known program called Operation Mockingbird.
So if the CIA could control the media during the Cold War, What makes you think they ever gave it up? And when every major outlet pushes the same narrative, is that journalism or something else entirely? Let's try and find out. Hello, I'm Mike Joeberg. Marine Corps veteran and filmmaker.
and we will try to answer these questions on today's episode of Forgotten History. In the wake of World War II, the United States had two things. Power and paranoia. The Soviet Union was no longer an ally. It was the enemy.
And in Washington, a new kind of warfare was being born. Information warfare. Enter the CIA. Formed in 1947 under the National Security Act, the Central Intelligence Agency wasn't just created to gather intelligence. It was built to shape it.
Inside this new agency, a man named Frank Weisner was given a blank check to run covert psychological operations. His mission? Make sure the world heard America's version of the truth and silence anything else. Weisner referred to it as his mighty wurlitzer. a metaphor for a massive instrument that, once played, could make any country dance to America's tune.
And how would he play it? not with tanks or troops, but with journalists. This wasn't a rogue plot. It was the official US policy, signed off at the highest levels. By the early 1950s, Operation Mockingbird was fully operational.
Funded through black budgets and hidden accounts, at its peak, the CIA had relationships with over 400 journalists across the globe. and not just reporters, but editors, publishers, broadcasters, and media executives.
Some were recruited through back channels. Others didn't even realize who they were working for. And one of their first targets The Associated Press.
Soon the operation expanded to include CBS. Time Life magazine Routers and even foreign outlets. They weren't reporting the truth. They were reporting what the CIA wanted the world to believe. and the most disturbing part Almost no one questioned it.
Many were paid under the table.
some in cash, others through lucrative book deals, speaking gigs, or consulting work. And in some cases the CIA didn't just influence the story, they wrote it themselves. A journalist would receive a pre-written script? already framed with the right political spin. All they had to do was slap their name on it and publish it.
And it wasn't just news. Films Magazines, and even academic journals were shaped by CIA talking points. If it could sway public opinion, it was in play. The agency also created entire front organizations, phony press agencies that looked legit but existed solely to pump out U.S. propaganda overseas.
And if a journalist refused to play ball, they be discredited, blackballed. were quietly replaced. The idea wasn't to control all the media. Just enough to guide the narrative domestically and abroad. And it worked.
From the Korean War to the Cuban Missile Crisis. from Latin America Coos. to the jungles of Vietnam. Mockingbird wasn't just a covert program. It was an information war.
Wages on the American People. During Korea, CIA front groups like Radio Free Press Asia, Flooded the airwaves with horror stories of Communist atrocities, many unverified, only to have some of those same stories echoed in Life magazine and CBS broadcasts. In Latin America the CIA orchestrated coups in Guatemala in nineteen fifty four and in Chile in nineteen seventy three. Major outlets like the New York Times and Time magazine ran editorials framing democratically elected leaders as communist threats. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, selective leaks and scripted fear pieces helped build the narrative of Kennedy's moral high ground while ignoring America's own secret missile deployment in Turkey.
And in Vietnam, embedded correspondents often repeated military talking points provided by CIA liaisons. Selling the war as winnable. Long after it had become a political quagmire. For more than two decades, Operation Mockingbird operated in the shadows, completely unknown to the public. until cracks started to form.
In the early nineteen seventies the Vietnam War had collapsed into chaos. Watergate was unraveling the presidency. And Americans were finally asking questions they should have asked years earlier. That pressure led to the creation of the Church Committee in nineteen seventy five. A Senate investigation led by Democratic Senator Frank Church, tasked with uncovering abuses by the intelligence community.
What they found was worse than expected. From illegal surveillance to assassination plots, the CIA was exposed as operating well beyond its charter. They had called them conspiracy theorists until the documents proved they were right. And one of the most disturbing revelations, the CIA had infiltrated the media. Senator Church confirmed that the CIA had secretly placed journalists inside nearly every major news organization.
using them to influence domestic and international reporting. The public was shocked. and the CIA promised it would never happen again. And just like that, it was buried. The media moved on.
No one was held accountable. and Americans were told to go back to sleep. But there is a problem. No law was passed to stop the CIA from influencing the media. No executive order.
no internal purge, just a quiet promise from an agency built on secrecy. In other words, Mockingbird wasn't shut down. It was renamed, rebranded, Mars. modernized. Because by the 1980s and 90s, The CIA didn't need to slip envelopes to journalists anymore.
They had built relationships inside corporate newsrooms. They had former agents working as consultants for major networks. And more importantly, the media had become centralized. Fewer companies own more outlets. Less oversight.
Your choices. By the time the 2000s arrived, Mockingbird didn't need to call the newsroom. they could just let the narrative trickle down from the top. And in the age of social media, everything got faster. Leaks, talking points, anonymous sources.
They all became tools in a war for control of the public mind. Today The same intelligence figures who once operated in the shadows are now on T V. telling you what to think. John Brennan. James Clapper.
Michael Hayden. All former CIA or NSA.
now rebranded as Expert Commentators. The old tactics were already back. Iraq was sold on lies. Yellow cake uranium. Aluminum tubes, mobile weapon labs, pushed by anonymous sources and plastered across every major network.
Afghanistan was framed as a righteous war on terror, even as it became a twenty year money pit fueled by contractors and false progress reports. And in Ukraine? The scent is once again taboo. The press doesn't ask if we're escalating a proxy war. They ask why you're not on board.
Different decade. Same script. The CIA didn't need to restart Mockingbird. It just needed a new reason for you to look away. They don't hide it anymore.
because the public stopped asking hard questions. That is, until 2016. That's when someone came along who didn't trust the press. who didn't play by the rules. and who called the media what it had quietly become.
The enemy of the people. When Donald Trump ran for president in 2016, He wasn't just fighting Democrats. He was fighting something older.
something deeper. He wasn't a politician. He didn't owe favors to the media. He didn't respect the rules. And worst of all, he called them out.
Fake news. Corrupt press. Enemy of the people. It was a declaration of war, a against a system that had gone unchecked for decades. And suddenly the tactics of Operation Mockingbird came roaring back to life.
Anonymous sources flooded the headlines. Stories based on leaked intelligence dominated the news cycle. Former CIA directors like John Brennan. and Michael Halen. went from silent operatives to loud political pundits.
painting Trump as a threat to democracy. The sitting president was accused of being a Russian asset. On the word of unnamed sources, from the same agencies that once ran Mockingbird. Major tech platforms began flagging, suppressing, and outright banning dissenting voices. Narratives that challenged the intelligence community's version of events were labeled misinformation.
The same journalists who once asked tough questions stopped asking altogether. The old operation was back. This time, trust in hashtags and digital fact checkers. Whether you liked Trump or not, it didn't matter. What mattered was what you weren't allowed to say.
You weren't allowed to question who suddenly had the power to silence you. The CIA didn't need to rewrite the playbook. They just needed to reopen it. Operation Mockingbird was never about keeping you safe. It was about keeping you in line.
And the most dangerous part? It worked. For decades people trusted the headlines. They trusted the anchors. They trusted the government to tell you the truth.
Today, The same agencies that ran Mockingbird.
Now shape the online world you live in. They don't need to burn books. They just bury stories.
So ask yourself. If the press is free, Why do they all say the same thing? If the truth is dangerous, Who's deciding what you're allowed to hear?
So the real question isn't if the media is lying to you. It's how long they've been doing it. Let us know your thoughts.
Alrighty, we're back.
Well John. Not everybody. Um You know, fell in line. We were telling people way back in the 70s, 50 years ago. We were telling people about the CIA, about how they control the media.
Remember where What was it that uh JFK wanted to do? Remember what he said about the CIA? He said they've become Blow up the CIA into a thousand pieces. Yeah.
He wanted to g get rid of him and but uh They got rid of him first. But Anyhow not just him, but who else wanted to uh eliminate him. He he spoke out about defunding them, and then all of a sudden he ended up getting shot. And then he changed. And E even pretended like he supported him.
That was Reagan. Do you remember? Oh yeah. Yeah.
And so Yeah, I remember that day, Pastor and I, when uh Reagan was shot. Yeah.
And Hinkley His father and George Bush, Senior Daddy Bush, were good friends. We're very good friends. Anyhow, Isn't it something how quite often Links like that happens in these events. Yeah.
But uh here now Well, we we've well, we've been telling people and finally, you know, somebody you know, when when Trump come along, And, you know, of course, they went after him and he fought back. They didn't expect. And look at all the things with the that they would do to you. The games that they would play. Look at how many games they played with us over the years.
you know, we don't know, you know, which group was responsible for July twenty third with us, what t what they did to us here, but 'Cause that was that was a bad one. You know, when you end up in a hospital, that's not good, okay? And then the strange sounds and the frequencies and all that strange things.
Okay, that's one thing.
Okay. uh a couple of times twice I they used black helicopters just to Kind of like saying we can do whatever we want, whenever we want, right? And then the the games they play with people And so there are people that Seem to be Having a nervous breakdown, but people don't understand, and saying, I've talked to. a number of people that have come to me That have been It's like they're tested, it's like they're seeing what it takes to break somebody or whatever is the games that they play. And you know, because you're, you know, former federal agent, but you you you were aware of some of their tactics.
Well, we we never we n At at my level, Pastor Ernie, we we were we weren't involved in any of that. I never saw Any of that. But you had to be with the FBI or the CIA really to To be involved with that service. And and they work together all the time. And um but within within that Like even today within the CIA, Um, you know, you've got, uh was it Radcliffe, who's the head of the CIA?
You still have Um You still j within the CIA within the The NSA and the FBI. you still have rogue forces. And they just had that massive firing. Of those agents, what are they C R sixteen? Uh the Operation Arctic Frost?
And yes. Yeah, there was ninety-two test earnie, I found out that under Joe Biden, The FBI had identified 92, and I'm going to say. Christian or C well, well, we could add conservative. Christian and conservative group to try and destroy them and one and one of them was Charlie Kirk and Turning Point. Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
For years. Uh Biden was after him. And the FBI just uh bring charges against them and shut them down.
Well, they they hit the pro life groups, as you know, that they come after us, I don't know how many times, okay. Uh pro life groups, but you know, we we fought back, we fought back. And um Yeah.
So but here with this operation Uh Eric Frost because What is it? The the old timer, I uh, the one that's in charge with the It's it's said intelligence committee. The guy, the oldest senator in the Senate, he's the one that's in charge. Oh, yeah, he's from Iowa. I can describe it all.
It's Grassley. When you said Iowa, the name came to me. Grassley, yes, yes. Yeah, he was absolutely furious when he found out that they were. uh checking reading his emails, they were tapping his phone lines, uh listening to his phone calls, going you know, all the stuff that they were doing.
with him, but not just him, Ted Cruz, uh Uh Josh uh what's his name? Uh And that woman blood. Yeah.
So Yeah. And so they were going after all of the now these these people were furious. That they were doing to them what they've been doing to a lot of us for a long time, huh? Yeah, and the uh FBI uh fired the agents that were working on this program because it was illegal. There was no court order.
They were just doing it.
So, I mean, if in my situation when I was an agent, if something like that would happen, I I'd say, you know, where's the court order?
Well we don't have one. I I can't I can't wa you can't work on that. You You just can't do that. That's rogue. Were they According to the whistleblower, one of the senior CIA officials, he said That Those orders came directly from Joe Biden.
Joe Biden said, Look, I want I want to want you to find out. Exactly what they know about barisma, I want you to find out everything they know, whatever they have, on any of my family. my sons, my brother, anybody. I want all of that. I want to know exactly what they have And then I want you to get rid of it.
And then that was uh Make it go away. That's that was Biden's orders that he gave to them. uh verbal orders. And so Here now And uh and And do you know how they found out about all that? There were emails, they found emails in the Bernbrags.
All of these emails that they found And let me ask you this. Why didn't why do you think they didn't burn him up? Why do you think they left him there? They hid him in that room. What do you think?
Do you think that Those that decided, well, maybe Maybe I can use this to my advantage if I If uh if they're coming after me i if I if I had these I can, you know Uh blackmail others or tell them, you know, they get a fall on the sword for me. What do you think? Well, Pastor Ernie, I could look at it the other way and think it's maybe some good guys in there. that uh had these tucked away until the right time. Hopefully the right time would come.
Okay, so what what I heard now was Now well, they had to if they find it they found that room Where all of these things were hidden. And you don't know. I I mean even today Uh we got a new regime in there, but you know, even today, Remember, you still have a lot of the holdovers. Right. Exactly right.
There's been like a civil war going on within in the FBI. Any CIA But even today, I mean all of this stuff with with Charlie Kirk, there's just so much about all of that that doesn't add up, it just don't add up. I mean And it's almost like it's almost like they're saying You know Here Um Yeah. We we know that the the American people are not that stupid that they're gonna buy all this. And therefore we're just gonna throw it out there and let let 'em be confused by it.
What do you think? Well, Pastor Ernie, you you're right.
So I wanted to add to what you were saying and get then get back to this. You see, today, we are not Well, back in the day, I remember it as a kid, Walter Conkrice, And um The other guy that was mentioned. You only had two. Three stations.
Well remember Huntley Brakeley. Good night, Chad. Yeah, frankly. Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's all you had. There was They had it all tied up. But now We broke loose. with the internet and all these you know Information sources.
So this is tremendous. They they can't blind us like they did years ago.
So I wanted to mention that. that it's a great blessing today that we have so many sources But I have contact specific earning overseas And they follow us here. They don't other like England, the B B C and all that. They have nothing they don't they they watch they pick up sources here Like you. For example, this show.
which they don't have anywhere in the world. Like like your show.
So this is a great blessing, Pastor Nee. America is greatly blessed. Lord is Kept the store open. where we can get this information out that's critically important. And we're not blinded now by the CIA running uh the news networks.
So now we have to do we have to really ask for discernment because look. I get texts all the time. I every week I get texts from people pretending that they They're texting me by accident. pretending like they're texting me that that, uh, This is the wrong number. I get this a couple of times a week.
and often they use the same number, they call me Jerry or whatever, and So, in other words, what they will do is they'll lay it out there like this the latest one we had. Uh a woman's call or she texted me and telling me I'm going to go ahead uh with um the cakes and the S so for Saturday morning So, you know. I think she said b Make sure there's about two hundred of the The little cakes in this available Uh just go ahead and and set it up.
Well, she sent me this this text, right?
So Now I know the idea is to get me to text her back. And And so Um In other words, she's pretending like she's got the wrong number, so I text her back, say, Yeah.
Sorry, you got the wrong number. Uh Just to let you know. And then And then is you know, that that should be like the end of it, right? But it's not the end of it. Uh Then there's another text coming in saying, I'm so sorry, I hope I didn't cause a problem.
But uh I am so and so, and they give you this name and I live here, and how are you doing? And uh uh who am I speaking to? And and you know, this and that. They're doing this. This happens every week.
Do does that ha does that happen to you? Um Uh it it has Yes, Terence, but not as frequent not nearly as frequent as with you. Yeah.
So it's like and you wonder whether playing a game What what are they trying to find out this or that? You know, 'cause I mean, we don't hold anything back. here, you know, on this radio program, you know, Um, you know, we're transparent. We you know, we don't you know, we mean what we say and say what we mean, right? And and so But But now what they're doing is I also get getting texts from these people uh and and they're sending me pictures, like They send their picture.
Uh this latest one is a I would say a young woman in her thirties, dark haired woman. And her text, when will you ever learn? When are you ever going to understand? And then she's texted me, uh, some stuff that now what what they're doing is they're sending you disinformation. all kinds of disinformation.
But Enough of it. that just enough stuff in there that's true. They they and you would know that, right? And like uh for example All kinds of stuff on Netanyahu Netanyahu's involved in this, but involved in that. Um you know, very a lot of anti Israel propaganda Um and then And and that just recently a whole lot of Propaganda about Charlie Kirk.
And, you know, his family, his marriage, and stuff like that. And so They send this this disinformation out and just put just enough truth into it to see Uh if you'll bite. And if you go out on the airwaves with this stuff. Uh that that's what's happening a lot.
So that's how The Dave State is working now as a massive disinformation program. Have you noticed that? Yes, but And uh that's why But we have the open door to get the information out. And at the same time, what you said is true. there.
You're really effective on your radio show, and it's obvious through the years and like the sabotage we've been having.
So they they'll try and get you disinformation. to see if you'll bite on it. Absolutely. No doubt about it.
Now, when they do that, this sabotage stuff a lot, it's like It's pretty clear that they're trying to send a message and it it's like There's never a real definite message. In other words, don't talk about this or don't talk about that. But when we talk about certain topics, like Operation Arctic Frost we others Then then we get these uh Need a Where they'll they'll They do these things that we can We can hit you any time we want. Um it's like to just to to get your attention But In in a ways It's like Why don't, you know Well, wha why don't you just I mean, You know, they've got the ability to completely shut us down, but they don't. They.
They play with us. Of course, then again You think maybe that they they actually fear that there's actually some fear of God with these people?
Well, um Uh this high tech goes both ways. And if they're You were well known. I mean, you got a big Yeah. your political connections.
So it could be found out. It will be found out what they use. to like take you down those Five. And then it's gonna there's gonna be uh like an investigation Why was he taken down? Uh so they don't want to go that far.
Okay, hang tight. We're up against the heartbreak. We'll be back right after this. We're we're an account. I can't believe it.
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