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I can tune into your show and hear the unvarnished truth. Thank you. This is What's Right, What's Left, with Pastor Ernie Sanders. You're up. Good evening, and welcome to another edition of What's Right, What's Left on this seventh day of July 2025.

and ten night are more than capable Veteran producer is Lenny. Hey, Lenny. Good evening, pastor. And uh tonight we have a special guest. State Representative Jonathan Newman is on the phone.

Hey, Jonathan. Hello, Pastor Ernie. How are you? Thanks for having me on. It's good to have you here tonight.

Jonathan, for many years I taught biblical law when I was younger. You know, I did a lot of things when I was younger. And uh you know, I was always you know so amazed at how how accurate God's word the Bible is and how it never compromises, you know, and And how How it speaks with absolute authority and You know, what used to make me what still makes me pretty. Uh, what makes me sick to see people As pastors, especially pastors, Apologizing for those when they have to preach a message against a particular sin like abortion. or like sodomy.

And how how they want to apologize and it almost comes across like they think, well, you know, God was too harsh. God was too harsh, and I'm I'm not, you know, we we're you know, we don't have to we don't like to have to preach this message, but That makes me sick to see them. when they're more concerned about offending Those that offend God, then they are about offending God, aren't they? I agree with you. We don't need to apologize for God at all.

He is good in everything he does and says. And amen. Am I am I correct? You're a pastor too? Yes, sir.

I'm a pastor. I have been for twenty-six years approximately. We planted a church about twenty-six years ago. I've been the lead pastor there. Up until recently, and one of our young elders is now the lead pastor, but I'm still an elder.

and pastor at our church.

Well, if you think you're an elder, I've been pastoring for twice as long as you have. I don't know if I'm an elder. Great job. If I'm an elder or or an older, I'm one of the two or maybe both. You qualify, yeah.

But one of the things I did for many years, I taught biblical law and. Uh in biblical law, you know, I learned a lot about the divine institutions that God gave us. The very first being marriage in the family. And do you know the very first command that God gave us was to be fruitful and multiply, huh? You are right.

I've been repeating that to everybody for the last few years. You are absolutely right. And he first gave it to the birds and the fish. and then was repeated to the people. Yeah, at least the birds and the fish understood, huh?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, look at where we've gotten to here in America. When you get the commands of God wrong, when you begin ignoring God, You can expect the rest of society to go off the tracks. That's what you see. There's a mindset that, well, You know, God has to be in compliance with public opinion polls.

You know, uh that's never gonna float In other words, There's again, like I said, coming from the pulpits, it's disgraceful. No place has our Lord been more disgraceful. This you know disgraced in from the pulpits of churches that where men they have not had the the courage to stand and preach the gospel the way they should. But you know, the s the second divine institution that God gave us Was that a human government? And he gave us that during the Noate covenant.

And he made five points, five points perfectly clear. And Those five points there, the very first one was to who he gave it to. And you find that in Genesis chapter 9, you know, verses 10 through 12, and actually 15 and 16, too. You know, to The entire population uh uh for For generations to come, perpetual generations, and to all living things. That spanned in all dispensation periods.

And the second point that he gave was the intent. And we're talking about actual law, divine, in other words. The real thing. You know, what we have today in America is something that's not, you know, even close or near what God has given us when it comes to. Authority, and that is The etet was that man was to govern for God, Man was to govern for God.

The third point, Jonathan, and this is the most important part, No. was that um The entire purpose Of divine human government, you find in Genesis chapter 9, verses 5 through 7. And that was to preserve the image of God, that being man. The entire purpose, the entire purpose of divine human government was to preserve the image Of God. And that's where we got the statute of the death penalty there.

Whoever violated, transgressed God's dominion. and vi and destroyed the image of God. you know, by man, he had to he had to forfeit his life. And so Then the the Fourth point was the means by which man was to govern for God. God's laws, God's statutes.

God's commands, God's promises, etc. And then the fifth point was all peoples or nations that would be in compliance with the very first four, They would be at peace and not at war with God.

Well, there's not many today. I don't think they're at peace with God. There may be some out there. But Anyhow So when we take a look at that, and again, we look at where we're at today, we, you know, for some of us, And I know you feel the same way. Compromise is just it's not there.

We just don't um It's not acceptable. I've in in over fifty years of preaching, I've never we've never compromised here at one time, never had to never walked anything back. And we're not about to do it.

Well, thank you. Let's take a look at, if we could, in Exodus chapter. Uh 21. I want to read a couple of verses, okay? Verses 22 through 24.

If men strive and and they hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her and Yet no mischief follows she shall be Surely. He shall be surely punished according to the woman's husband. and will lay upon him what he shall pay As the judges determined. In other words, if it should cause the baby to come early. if a woman tries to get into in the middle of a and break up a fight, And if the baby ha has to be born prematurely, But the baby's okay.

And the woman's okay. And if any mischief follows, that means if the baby dies or the woman dies. The nose shall give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, and foot for foot. In other words, Here now, God gave this in the Old Testament in Exodus. And do you see in this uh That's the importance Of that child in the womb?

Absolutely. Yes, I see here the reflection of how all laws of civil society should Reflect the divine law. It's what the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution reflect. And absolutely, yes, the Bible absolutely upholds the personhood. of the unborn baby Made in the image of God, a real person.

And here, clearly, as you've written, I had this in my, you know, I had this marked here to say, I know you're going to read this. But yes, God prescribes punishment for those who would harm the unborn child.

So Uh the laws among men should comport with Uh you know, biblical truth regarding human life. I want to go over now to Leviticus chapter 20. Read verses one through five. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Again thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children Of Israel or the strangers who sojourn in Israel. that get any of his seed into Moloch, he shall surely be put to death The people of the land shall stone him with stones And I will set my face against that man, and I will cut him off from among his people, because he hath given his seed into Moloch, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.

And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, whom he giveth when he giveth of his seed to Moloch, and kill him not. Then I will set my face against that man and against his family, and I will cut him off, And all that go on are whoring after him to commit whoredom with Malik from among the people. What we're talking about is sacrificing of the children.

Now you can sacrifice the children to your heathen gods like Moloch. Or you can sacrifice your children to convenience. Or you can sacrifice your children to Hide your sin. But God looks upon it the same way, doesn't he? The destruction.

of his image, huh? Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And here I agree with that. He not only says that that man should be when it by the way, when it says cut off, that means killed.

That's what he's talking about. But not only should he but the people that know about it and do nothing about it, They too should be killed. Uh That's g that's what God has said, huh? Mm-hmm. And so Going back to Genesis 9 in there during that No A covenant, what God is really saying there.

is when you kill somebody whether it be an old man a young man or a baby The image of God If you kill that person, you deserve to burn in hell. Unless there's repentance. That's what God's Word is saying. And I want to take you over here just to to uh one more Passage And this is one you're real familiar with probably. Proverbs chapter twenty four Three verses, verses ten, eleven and twelve.

If thou faint, in the day of adversity, Thy strength is small. If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn into death And then our Ready to be slain, If thou sayest, Behold, We knew it not. Doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? And he that keepeth thy soul, doth he not know it? and shall he not render to every man according to his works?

Now it's an interesting thing here. There's no stuttering in these verses. It's very clear what it's it's talking about. Those that are ready to be slain.

Okay. Uh, he's telling you that that Um Those we are to hold back. We are to do rescue those, rescue those.

Now There's a very well known preacher that I know of of um Well, I'm gonna call country club mega churches. And I heard him on the radio And normally, you know, he fairly well preaches the Bible, although not out of the King James Bible. But he he took this and he really twisted this when it Somebody called in and asked him why he's not active. in the pro-life movement and this was taking place You know, I was very active. In fact, I led up the first Operation Rescues here in Northeast Ohio at that time.

And I heard him saying that that was not. Um In a literal physical way of rescue input That was a spiritual way. In other words, that simply meant that you were just a witness to the unsaved. But no, that's not it. It means exactly what it says here.

Of course, that would apply too. And so Why is it that uh today We can't get people Or well, there there's there's small Well, there's a small percentage of us that that feel the way that there is no compromise when it comes t uh when it comes to life, that there is no compromise. But Why is it that there's such a vast majority of those today in a pulpit? that are w willing to Well I don't know. Compromise.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, verse 10, uh there uh in Proverbs twenty-four. If you faint in the day of adversity, your strength is small. I think that is an issue We have today an issue of strength in the word strength spiritually.

Mortitude of spirit. I think we have many who are more fearful Of man's opinion. Then God more fearful of mere man than holy God. Or maybe they fear their ministry, their church will not be successful. In the eyes of the world.

And so they may fear saying Uh the truth of God. Um but you know uh Pastor Ernie, I am not going to stand before God and answer for those people. I will stand before God bearing the righteousness of Christ because of faith in them, not faith in myself or my works, but faith in Christ alone and his work. of righteousness, his perfect death and resurrection. I will stand before God one day, as we all will, and on that day I will stand before God.

Standing in Christ and um My fellow pastors will also stand before God and give an account.

Well, the Bible says that those who teach will be judged with a stricter judgment. And that causes me and my fellow pastors at our church. There are nine pastors at my church. that causes us to tremble. and fear the Lord.

and uh want to take think seriously God's Word. And listen. to one another's counsel and correction. And I don't stand in my own strength or wisdom. If at any point I'm in error, According to God's word, I want to listen to the correction of my fellow pastors.

So, Pastor Ernie, I'm thankful for your faithfulness, and there are other pastors, many out there, who are faithfully. teaching God's word. My joint sponsor on this bill we're working on is it a faithful church with a faithful pastor. And so, Pastor Ernie, thank you for your faithfulness. But truthfully, praise be to God, all praise to the Lord.

Uh and not to man. Amen. Very, very well said, sir. Very well said. I totally agree with everything you said.

Now, you spoke about. Here uh Levi Dean, he's your Joint sponsor on this bill, which is House Bill 370. And so Uh what what is your district? I am in District 80, which is Miami County, all of Miami County, and the southern part. of Dark County.

Mm-hmm. the southern eight townships of Dark County. And what what's been your experience in office? This is my I'm seven months in. This is my first seven months in office.

So I was elected in november twenty twenty four. I took office in January. And prior to that, my office has been that of Pastor but very actively engaged in pro-life issues and other issues. We're you know, we we would uh take pastures to the state house and to DC to talk with our legislators about proliferation. Matters of Um religious liberty issues family values things.

And so Over the years, those many things drew me in closer and closer to be more engaged. with our legislators and to see the need Or more just regular, God-fearing people to be engaged in the political process. That's what caused me to want to get engaged. and Roper Office.

Well, count me in any time you need airtime. Let me know because you you and I are on the same page. I um I was with doctor Jack Willegie in the very beginning. Uh when we we started Ohio Right to Life back in those days and When we wrote our mission statement, And back that time, Ohio Pro-Life was well was like uh Ohio Right to Life was Was for real. I mean, it was for real back in those days at the start.

It's not quite the same anymore, but. is what uh pro-life action you know, Baha'i was today. Prolifera. And When I saw, I just heard a little bit about yours on the news about the bill, and of course, it was. On a the Spectrum One station, and they're not really a pro-life station and they kinda talked about it like, you know, Wow.

But anyhow And so I asked one of the Only people left from the original board that I know of that's still alive. and that was Linda Tice. And I asked her about you and uh she gave you a really wonderful Um introduction, I mean, she told me you were just one solid great uh Godly godly, very godly man. That's why I got in fact, Jesus, when it got me your phone number, that's how I got in touch with you. And so, thank you to Linda.

I appreciate those kind words. I have great respect to her. For her, because of a friend who knows her. I don't know Linda well myself, but I've heard wonderful things about her and y'all's work. Thank you for the work y'all did back there getting Ohio Rector Life started and the work that you continue to do.

Thank you, sir, for that. I could tell you this: it's been. It's been over fifty years, and we haven't had one boring day. Not one boring day. For a long time, I.

I did my my pro-life ministry from both sides of the bars, you know. Out there and along with the jail ministry. Back in those days, we were um being arrested for doing the Lord's work, which I cons I considered it a badge of honor, spent a lot of time, but uh and and the thing of it is if If all of the pastors in this country are even just Ten per cent of them would have stood up. There would have been thousands. Um, they would have stopped it.

You know, politicians, y as you know, can count. And if they'd only had the courage to to honor God But there was such a dearth of courage out there. But I praise the good Lord for the few. Us that that are out there today that are courageous. But tell me, though, about House Bill three seventy.

the Parental Protection Act.

Okay. Yes, sir. Happy to do that and please feel free to ask questions if I don't emphasize something enough or Mike Peter. We're right up against a break right here at this time. Hold tight for one minute, and we'll be back right after this.

Um I had this crazy dream. About some folks who love this country, who all began to dream the same dream. And when the morning came. There arose across this nation people thinking one and the same. And they awoke to find their freedoms and all their liberties had gradually been taken away.

And when they realized the danger to their posterity, I heard those patriotic people say We want this country back We ain't just joking Jack We want our liberty and our dignity And our freedoms and our rights. That's restored. We want this country back. She's been Way off fact, we're wide awake and we're madder than hell now. And we ain't gonna take it anymore.

No, we're not gonna take it anymore. Remember golden days when the stars and stripes forever symbolize. your glorious name America. But now it's all been changed And when we gaze upon a glory, it's hard to fight back feelings of shame. Work it up with lion politicians and Greedy corporations with So the sound.

Time and again And we're sick and tired of sending our soldiers off to wars that we were never meant to win We want this country back We ain't just joking Jack We want our liberty and our dignity And our freedoms and our rights. Right to be stored. We want this country. Back. Spend driven way out track We're wide awake and we're madder than hell now And we ain't gonna take it anymore No, we're not gonna take it anymore Now we know our cause is right And our victory's on the way And we won't give up the fight till we hear 200 million say We want this country back Yeah, just joking.

Kinja. We want our liberty and our dignity and our freedoms and our rights restored. We want this country. BANG And we ain't taking any more back. We're wide awake and we're madder than hell now.

And we ain't gonna take it anymore. No, we're not gonna take it anymore. That's right, we're not gonna take it anymore. We said we're not gonna take it anymore. That's right, we're not gonna take it anymore.

We said we're not gonna take it anymore. That's right, we're not gonna take it.

Some of us have been fighting back from the very beginning and And we're right here tonight with one of those that are fighting back, and that's state representative Jonathan Newman. And he's telling us about House Bill 370 and I'm sorry for uh interrupting you Charles, but that's what happened.

So Or did not Charles Jonathan. Uh that was Carl Klang, who just sang that song, was a dear friend of mine. What a patriot he was. A very, very. active pro life patriot too, and so but he went home to be with the Lord.

But anyhow, you're back on, so go ahead and pick up where you left off. Yes, sir. Okay, happy to do that. Yeah, so a bit about our bill, House Bill 370. is known as the Ohio Prenatal Equal Protection Act.

So I and Representative Levi Dean are joint sponsoring this bill. Levi Dean, Representative Dean is from District seventy one, that's down in Greene County, Byzenha. Um all right district eighty Together, we're sponsoring this bill The bill does two things.

Well, two things regarding the unborn. It establishes the personhood. and equal protection. of the unborn. But that's something very important about the Constitution.

acknowledges the supremacy of the U. S. Constitution over all fifty state constitutions. reflecting the language of the U.S. Constitution in the bill.

I sent you a copy of the bill. You can share it with your listeners. Of course, it's available on my website. If you go to The Newman Representative 80, District 80. You'll find it on my website and Levi Dean's website as well.

You can read the whole bill, and I'm going to read to you some of it. tonight. It's good. But let me just tell you briefly: just here's the big picture of what the bill does. The bill does something super simple.

It says you can't kill people. Yeah. You can't kill people. We know babies are people. The unborn are humans.

You can't kill people. That's that's simple.

Now it's simple to me, but it's not simple to everyone. But I think for our founding fathers, the formers of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, I think. Yeah. And so that that's all the bill does.

You can't kill people. We we gotta stop killing people.

Okay, so when you when you hear that, you just realize, wait a minute. You can't kill people. So I wanted to get into some of the details.

So the reason I support this bill Is because it aligns with the understanding that life begins at conception in the womb. When the baby is conceived in the mother's womb, there's a life there and must be protected. From conception to natural death, we should protect all innocent life. That aligns with and our bill defends the U. S.

Constitution. Um One of the complaints about our bill is that, well, you're trying to overturn the law. You're trying to no, but I do realize that in twenty twenty three, the passing of Issue one The voters of Ohio voted to amend our Constitution By writing in a constitution a right to abortion. No, I I realize that. I think that is the worst thing the state of Ohio Has ever done.

And I'm not sure. Amen. Amen. Absolutely right. I've been after that.

Oh, you wouldn't believe how we were we were after yeah, and that bill with that amendment. And all of the money behind that m came from out of the state. Most of it came from California and other places, but you you're absolutely right. That was an abominable abominable and the way that they had that worded, it had people confused, everything about that bill was evil, huh? Mm-hmm.

Agreed. Yes. I was shocked that it happened. I thought the vote would go the other direction. I was shocked by it.

But I think a lot of people were confused. I talked to a lot of people who thought. that balance issue was about banning IVF. And it wasn't. It wasn't about that, but people thought that.

because they heard that on the news or some ad advertisement. And so a lot of people were misled, and I was knocking on doors right and left, talking to people, and I heard people say to themselves. Um so Uh Ernie, let me just tell you simply what the bill says.

Okay, it's not long, it's a pretty simple bill. And of course, I sent you a copy. You can read it. Please share it with your listeners. Simply does these things.

I won't read the whole thing, but simply does these things. One, It is in line nine. Subsection A that acknowledges the sanctity of innocent human life. and that all human life is to be protected So it calls for equal protection. From pilot.

At the beginning of biological development to natural death. That's the first thing it says.

Next, it points out is Subsection B. It acknowledges that the United States Constitution is uh uh superior to all fifty state constitutions. And the U. S. Constitution says that.

It says this Constitution and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof shall be the supreme law of the land, and the judges of every state shall be bound thereby anything In the Constitution or laws of any state to the contrary, notwithstanding.

So that is the supremacy clause.

So the passing of issue one has made, in my opinion, and the opinion of many others, it has made the Ohio Constitution to now contradict the U. S. Constitution, which is a problem.

So our bill simply says We have to address this conflict. We think it's a constitutional conflict that has to be addressed.

So the bill says that. The bill also says that there's subsection three. that the United States Constitution calls for the equal protection in the Fourteenth Amendment No state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. And so now the Ohio Constitution does that. The Ohio Constitution violates the equal protection of the unborn without due process.

Um Uh Subsection B goes on to say that the constitutional requirement Uh must protect the lives of the unborn. With the same criminal and civil laws protecting the lives of born persons. By repealing, now this is a key language in the bill. This is the key language, very important. specifically says by repealing provisions that permit willful Prenatal homicide or assault.

The key word.

So we're talking about the intentional, willful killing of the unborn. That is what our bill addresses.

Now we also have subsection C, which protects We want to be careful to protect those. who may be forced into having an abortion. And so we do not want that uh pregnant mother who's being trafficked or forced or threatened uh with her life or safety. uh we want to see her protected. Rather, we want to see those held accountable who are seeking to harm her.

or the unborn. Um And so that is the gist of what the equal protection bill says.

Now there's more, but that is that's the substance of the bill. that we gave you right there. Is that clear? Do you have any questions about that? No, that's very, very clear.

You know, uh you have that Bill of Rights too. If you remember the Bill of Rights, it the very first thing it guarantees us li life, the very first thing life, right?

Well, if if nothing uh else addresses the issue like that does. But yeah. No, it's very, very clear. Here's what I'm hearing from some out there. And I'm talking about people that that are as pro life as you and I, that I've known for many, many years, worked That bill is absolutely a good bill.

But the problem is, we don't really have. that many good people in Ohio. In other words, the idea that are as far as as pro-lifers that are really Christian, for you know, real hardcore staunch Christians to get behind it and push it, that what'll happen is the the fake news media, the the Deep State, the Dark State, the Communist Party, uh Democratic Party out there, they're going to use this uh and and say It's all about all we want to do is put women in prison. That's all we want to do is put women in prison.

Okay. Uh no, you know, I I remember, you know, I've I've been around for a while and I remember uh growing up as a young man, often I would hear about doing exactly that. People were caught performing abortions Back alley abortions, they called them in those days. They went to prison. And the and the women that were in there also, they did jail time also.

Well, that's Ernie. Here's my response to people who make those kinds of claims. People say, well, you're criminalizing women. Not at all. Our build is not identify anyone according to their sex.

or their ethnicity to criminalize them on the basis of their sex. We do not criminalize women. what is criminal by we're cr our bill is criminalizing those who Harm the unborn. If the act of willful homicide or assault is criminalized, So we're not criminalizing anyone based on their sex or their race or their ethnicity or their background. No such thing is done by this bill.

Rather, it does what every good law does. Criminal acts for criminalized. That's what we seek to be punished. And by the way, so just a few days ago, we spent three hours talking to people who have concerns about this, and want to ask questions. We spent three hours.

talking with these people face to face across the table. And one of those people sat across the book and tell me why and ask me, why are you wasting so much time doing something like this is so useless when you should be spending your time on something more worthwhile. And I look back at this person and I said, What we are doing is protecting the US Constitution. I say that is deserving of my Now the Constitution is not above the Bible. I will give my life for God's word.

But the U. S. Constitution, I think, is derived in large part from the Bible. And it, along with the Declaration of Independence, they are the two most important human-made documents in the world. and certainly to our country.

I looked back at this person and I said, it is the best use possible of my time to defend. The Constitution That says We must protect all people. No one can be deprived of their right to life or property without due process of law. And I just thought. You know, our people, you know, many people just don't get this.

This is not about criminalizing women. This is about upholding the Constitution. We must do that.

Well, let me ask you this. What do you What does it look like amongst your colleagues out there? Do you think there's enough integrity and honor and those that actually truly believe in the Word of God to get this bill passed? You know what? I can't predict the future.

I can predict this will be hard. I think this issue. And I've shared this with several of my colleagues and my family, this is the most difficult issue any legislature will ever face. This is it. There will be nothing more difficult than this.

this issue and this bill.

So I predict it will be a very difficult Uh issue. It would be very difficult to pass this. But here's: people often ask: hey, how's the new job? How are you doing? How do you like being a state representative?

And this is the first thing I've told, I think everybody I've answered. This is the first thing I've said. You know what? I am very surprised and encouraged about this. Entering the state legislature along with the other 98 state representatives.

I have met A lot of people who are truly God fearing people. who love the Lord. Are followers of Jesus, respect the Bible deeply, know the Bible, and even teach the Bible and go to faithful churches as faithful church members. I've been. Very, very encouraged by the by that.

Um And so yes, I think there are many in the house. that will support this bill eventually or do now But have not added their name to it. But yes, I think we have many legislators who are very pro life, very committed uh pro-life legislators. But it's going to take time to think this through And for them to um you know, for others to see that this is a must like Representative Dean and I see it. We just We just say this is why we're here.

This is why we're in the legislature. We must protect the unborn. If we won't do this, then Lord help us, what will we do? What good are we?

So it will be a hard fight. We need your prayers, and we need the support of many others. We need all the support you can give us, Pastor Ernie.

Well, I'm all in. I'm all in. I'm you know. I agree with you one hundred percent. I know that if you were the only one to vote on this bill, you would still stand your ground and vote on the bill because that's the right thing to do.

Would you want to take some phone calls from folks? Uh you got callers calling in? Sure, there are a couple things I want to make sure we get across here because there's some misinformation about the bill out there that I want to make sure we get.

So maybe can I just say a couple of things before we start taking callers? Sure, okay.

Okay, okay, h here here's one. There are articles out there, and this is all people see. and these are misleading. I want to make that very clear. The headline of the articles are, this bill bans all IVF.

These legislators want to end IVF in Ohio. That is not true. And I want your listeners to hear that very clearly. I just like I said, I sat for three hours talking to people with concerns about this bill, and they all, every one of them, asked this question. It was auto-repeat, just hit replay, auto-repeat.

I want to make it very clear. This bill is not about in vitro priorization. This bill is about the intentional harm or killing of the unborn. IVF, the essential function of IVF. seeks to make babies.

The hope of the IVF Doctor is to fertilize embryos and see those embryos survive. The essential function of IVF is not to kill babies. I'll make that very clear. You can't kill people. IVF is seeking to help.

infertile families have babies.

Now, it does bring up the question of how are embryos stored? How are they treated? We must try. If we need improvement in our ethical treatment of the embryo, the unborn, we must address those issues. But this bill in no way seeks to end IVF.

Uh Uh I would add I think nineteen or twenty states have very strong laws recognizing personhood. and protecting the unborn in none of those states has IVF been banned. None of them. I don't know anybody in America. trying to ban IDF.

We certainly are not.

So I want your listeners to hear that. Because there are people in our churches who were born through IVS. or they have gone to the IVF doctor or they've considered it. And we just want them to hear it clearly, this bill in no way seeks to ban IVS. I think you've made yourself very clear right there.

Uh Okay, I'm going to open the phone lines very quickly and take a few calls. I don't know how long you're going to stay with me tonight, but phone lines are now open, 888-677-9673. That's 888-677-9673. If you have a question or a comment about this bill, Folks, you know, getting real. How do you feel?

Do you feel that we should actually. really be real when it comes to we're talking about the image of God. The Bible does not stutter. It doesn't stutter when it comes to That's America's national sin. You know, Jonathan, our sewers have run red from coast to coast.

in this country, America's national sin. And you know, the b remember when uh Abel's blood cried out against Cain? Just think the sound of millions. And they tell you, They tell you it's $65 million. Listen, I've been in this from the very beginning, and I've talked to a lot of abortionists that have come out of the killing industry, and every one of them will tell you it's a common practice.

You only claim one out of every two babies you kill, you only claim for tax purposes and that. And so that's a common practice there. And so it's actually double this fucking Yeah, it is hard to believe. Tell me when you have a caller, but I'll just keep on talking until we get one. But here's one of the things that people regularly say: well, they'll say, Well, aren't you trying to overturn the voice of the voters?

Aren't you overturning an election here? And our response is, not at all. Look, I respect the election process. I have great faith. And the integrity of our elections here in Ohio, especially compared to a lot of other places out there, we have good elections here.

Uh the the election results came in. We know what those are. Those have been affirmed. Um But we have elections every year. You know, we have elections all the time.

And our Constitution has been amended and our Constitution must now be defended So if at any point our Constitution cannot be defended, that it must be improved. And so that's all we're saying. We think there is now a conflict in our Constitution. Can it be defended? We don't think it can.

And so we just want to say we have to defend the Constitution. Um and so Uh and and by the way fifty seven percent of voters in Ohio voted to amend the Constitution. There's only one voice in the state legislature that can represent District 80. Out of 99 state representatives, only one voice. can represent District eighty.

That's me. My district did not vote to amend the Constitution. My district voted overwhelmingly. to defend the uh to defend the constitution and to defend the unborn.

So I'm simply representing my district that says we think we got that wrong and we can't defend that. Very good.

Well Um who was that, did you say? All right, we w we're gonna go out to San Diego. And we have Randy in the air. Randy, you're in the air. Hi.

God bless you, Pastor Ernie. I've been listening to everything you're saying. And I agree 100% about the abortion in Linda Brown too. Um How was your fourth? Was it good?

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. We didn't have any attacks over here in San Diego. With the other words. We're going to talk about that because did you know the reason we didn't?

Was it RFK? Enough people heard the radio programs, not just me, but others, you know, Alex Jones and others, enough people heard and they inquired, what are you going to do about this? And uh what happened is they had a big investigation and RFK put a stop to it. We'll be I'll be bringing that up up here uh during the week. With all the information on it.

Yeah, it was pretty interesting. I had some intel on that too. Go ahead. Oh, no, you you you know, you're in the air. Yeah.

I'm talking about, yeah, and the abortion and stuff. uh a man and his wife. Their pastor had three daughters and they're with pro life, and they went to Oregon from here. They had three daughters. Um, yeah, abortion is plain simple murder.

I mean, you can't do that according to God's law. Absolutely, said Ureza. Go ahead, Jonathan. Yep, you're right. Just speaking of the survey.

Affirming what you're saying, sir. Yes, sir. You can't kill people. That's all we're seeing. Yeah.

Absolutely. So I mean we gotta do What's right. We got to do what's right. You know that That court in in seventy three They were supreme only in the rebellion against God. What they virtually ruled was that we will take what God has made unlawful, And we will if you purchase a license with mammoth, we will make what God has made unlawful, the destruction and transgression Of his very image, and we will make it legal if you buy a license to destroy the image of God.

And so they they declared God dead and they c declared themselves dead.

Well, so That's true. Yep, that's exactly what happened. Oh, yeah. You know, it's it's it's it's hard to imagine that we're in a world where you have to do this, but I I think I can stand here all day and tell you reasons why we can't kill people. I think that the birth rate, the birth rate of the United States is going down, the birth rate of Ohio is going down, the population of Ohio, we need people, right?

There there's uh all day long reasons why you shouldn't kill people. You know, just economically, we need people to work, to create jobs, to have jobs, to spend money. you know, just economically. You know, we we shouldn't kill people. Think if we hadn't been killing people for the last fifty plus years, you think of the all the people who would be here creating jobs, creating things, creating organizations.

creating families, having children. Um And and yet, uh you know the The opponents want to bring out the hardest Case to try to say, well, you can't protect the unborn because, you know, what about the case of rape? or the or the person who's raped and they're become pregnant. Uh because of the rate. Are you going to say that you have to pun they have to be punished now by burying that child?

And I just I look back and say, when's the last time the death penalty was used in the state of Ohio? When was the last time the death building was used? Or Uh A rate performance.

Well, and then there's silence. And yet, every year, I don't know what the number is, the number varies, don't know the exact number, but yet every year we have babies whose lives are ended. Because of the crime of rape. When the rapist Is not being put. Look, rape is a heinous evil.

And this is part of what I said for those three hours talking to people who opposed this bill. When a rape occurs, the rapist should be punished according to their crime. Instead of the life of the baby, We redressed the rape with the death penalty.

So thou shalt not murder. All righty. Thanks for calling, Randy, and you have a good one. God bless. Uh you know, that that's right, but you see here, The mindset.

Now, think about that for a minute. What do you do? You have someone who. commits a crime, the rapist, The woman's the victim, and you take a third party, an innocent third party, and you punish the innocent third party for the crime. of the rapist, right?

Right. No, right, we shouldn't. But yes, you're right. That is what we do. Yeah.

That's exactly I mean, that's how how dumb that is. And again, like I said, uh You know, the Bible is very clear. Judgment begins in a house of God, and in that house it begins in a pulpit. And this is where. They've got to find the pastors sometime have to find the courage.

They failed God in 1962 when. guy was expelled from the public schools. The pastors could not find the courage, okay. Uh you know, I went I went to Washington DC with one hundred pastors. We went there and we made a stir there.

But it's we should have been a hundred thousand, okay? There should have been a hundred thousand of us. They just didn't have the courage. And that's what we have to have. The pastors have to get the courage to leave the people.

But the people. The people have to make the pastors know that what they expect, they expect them to be men of God and do the right thing. And so Pastor Ernie, are we coming up on the end of your show? There's one last thing I want to make sure I get in before we leave tonight, if that's okay. Get some sleep, it's you know, it's up to you.

But go ahead.

Well, it's I'll I'll say over, but I just want to make sure I get this in here. I just want to say to all the listeners out there, and even to pro-life people who maybe don't support this bill or. or like organizations that can't support this bill. I just want to say There will be a day when everybody's mind changes. Because the Bible says Psalm 98.

Let the rivers clap their hands because the Lord is returning. He comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness when he comes. That day, Everybody's going to change their mind on this. And I'm just saying my mind's already been changed.

On that day, On that day, which side of this are you going to be on? I'm just saying, I think we're already on the right side now, and I want to ask all my pro-life Christian believers to come and join us on the right side of this. Let me go back to Proverbs 24 again. See if you hear any stuttering here. If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small.

If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, And those that are ready to be slain, if thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not, doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it, and doth he that keepeth the soul. Doth he not know it? And shall he not render to every man according to his works? We're coming to a break. We will be back right after this.

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