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Good evening, everyone. This is Pastor Joe Larson. I'm sitting in tonight for Pastor Ernie Sanders.
And I have a little announcement to make. Pastor Sanders is home tonight. He is feeling better. He is resting. I guess there's still some tests and stuff, but his heart is fine.
The doctors are no longer worried about his heart. And he just wants to thank everybody for all their prayers. And he's coming his way.
But we would ask that please don't call. They've been keeping him awake, testing him, poking him, prodding him, inspecting him. And he needs some sleep. And please just keep him in your prayers, but don't call for a while. Let him have some rest this weekend. And I'm going to talk to him again this weekend.
Well, he doesn't know. He's hoping to be able to be back on the radio Monday with my help, but we will see. So I'd like to welcome you to the program tonight. And with me, as always, on Friday night, well, with Pastor Ernie, is big John McTernan. Good evening, John. Welcome aboard. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, we had a little bit of scare with Pastor Ernie, but it turned out to be not as bad as we thought.
His heart is in good shape. So we have to thank the Lord for this blessing. Exactly. Well, with all the people praying for him, I guess I'm not too surprised. Being a strong believer, I really, really believe in the power of prayer, especially when we ask the audience to pray with us. Until, you know, hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of people out there praying for him, it has to help. So I thank the good Lord.
It's called answered prayer, Ernie. Amen. Amen. Yes. I would leave it there. Go ahead.
Yes. Yeah, the initial report when I spoke to him wasn't good about his heart, but then it turned out it really wasn't a big problem. So yeah, we're very thankful.
He's got some problems that they're still working on, but it's nothing that horribly serious. So we're going to start to, all week, Pastor Ernie had, the topic was the different covenants, the different memorials that were established and the different covenants made. And I've been, well, I retired, I'm writing a book on Christophanies, and one of the things I noticed, John, was all through Scripture, I kept seeing covenants, covenants, covenants.
And so I went and looked it up exactly, I thought, well, let's get this down right. A covenant is a formal and binding agreement between two or more parties, often involving promises or obligations. And it can be used in various contexts, including legal, there can be social covenants, legal covenants, religious covenants, and often they are confirmed by an oath. And to a Christian, a covenant is a sacred promise between God and man, or between individuals in the sight of God. For example, marriage commitment is a covenant. The man and the woman covenant with God, quarter to three, cannot be broken. So marriage is a man or woman planning to become as one in the presence or with the help of the Lord. And that makes it between individuals in the sight of God.
So I decided to throw that in, because sometimes we assume we know what something means, and a word can cover a lot more than we understood. But here's what I found, John, that I found quite interesting. In the King James Bible, which is the only one I use, the word covenant showed up in 254 verses, it was actually used 272 times. I got thinking, that's a lot of reference to something that must be very important to God if it's used that many times.
So I got looking a little further. My covenant, there were 191 uses in 72 different verses. Everlasting covenant was used 37 times in 16 verses, and often used was remember my covenant 19 times, establish my covenant 30 times, give my covenant 14 times, keep my covenant 29 times, and broken covenant 18 matches. So I thought, there is a lot to do with covenants, and I thought tonight we could take a look and kind of, well, we can't do a real in-depth, it would probably take us all week to do a total in-depth, but let's kind of start at the first, we'll just mention a few, and then pay closer attention. Now most of us know the covenant with Adam, Adamic covenant, it's found of course in Genesis, and that's where God said what? He's going to make us, let us, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, make man in our image, and in Genesis 1.21, so God created man in His own image, and we go on from there. Then we have the melodic covenant, this is found in Genesis 9.11, where the Lord says, I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall the flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood, never again a flood to destroy the earth. So that is one we all should know. Then there's the Abrahamic covenant made with Abraham, and it starts several different places, it starts when he told Abraham to get out of his country, and his father's house, and go into a land that I will show you, and he promises blessings, promises to make his name great, his prodigy a great nation, and circumcision showed up as one of the signs of the covenant, and we see that also in Romans.
Then we come to the real one I wanted to talk about. Some Bible scholars called it the Palestinian covenant, but Palestinian, you and I know that's a name that was put in by man, not God, there's no Palestinian people, no Palestinian land, so we call it the Israeli covenant, and this was in Deuteronomy 31. Now, John, do you remember what that chapter and those verses are, right? Yeah, starting at chapter 28, there's a lot of blessings and cursings, talking about prophecy in the end times, and God will disperse Israel for not following the law, it's really hard hitting those chapters, and then you've got the Song of Moses is in there also. Yeah, it's quite complicated, but basically, third chapter 30, there's, kind of remember, the first few like 15, 17 verses are blessings, and then from then on to verse, what is it, 64, 65, those are the curses, and it's about a what, three, four to one ratio, curses against blessings, and I had to think about that, he calls this a stiff neck, well, he called the children of Israel a stiff neck, stubborn people, but I have to believe that also applies to a lot of us today, so what does that tell you when he gives four times more curses than he does promises of blessings?
Well, it shows not to go our own way in sin and to rebel against the Lord, it's really serious after God does all these things, of course we're talking about the children of Israel there, but it has a lot to do with us also in our walk with the Lord, so the Lord does all these incredible blessings in them, and then lists out the blessings like you mentioned, and says you'll be blessed, blessed, blessed, blessed, but if you turn from me and go into basically deep sin and you rebel against me, this is going to happen, so it's very serious when God up front makes it evident and blesses the people and says just follow my word and this is what happens, all these blessings, however, if you turn against me and despite me and go into sin and the paganism, these curses will come upon you. And then from verse 15 on through the end of 28 which is verse 68, those are the curses, and then in chapter 30 it's the conditions for restoration of the first 10 verses are his how to restore God's blessings with the people, that's actually his covenant, is the restoration of all the blessings, but 28, 29, like you were talking about, lays all the groundwork for the restoration, so what we have, at least to me, is this, how would you call it, it's followed this pattern, the Israelites, the blessings for obedience, the curse, and we look through the Old Testament and there's a cycle, and it's a cycle of judgment for sins, blessing when God's people have repented, turned back to him, and this cycle continues over and over and over. My wife a couple of times when we've been doing Bible studies said this is getting nauseous, it's just over and over and over the same thing, and I'm thinking, she asked me why did God have to so many times, you know, tell us the story over and over and over, I said because I don't think the people today understand it any better than the people in the Old Testament, because aren't we doing most of the same things that they were guilty of?
What do you think? Unfortunately, yes, and the book of Judges, specifically, you see those cycles that you were talking about, they're listed in the book of Judges, you know, the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and they went after the pagans, and they turned against the Lord, and he brought them into judgment, he brought like the Moabites against them, and they served the king of Moab for 20 years, and they cried out to the Lord, and the Lord sent them to judge or deliver it. So yeah, that is in there, in the book of Judges especially, that pattern that you're talking about. When I stop and think about it, when you really start doing a Bible study on it, I mean, isn't that, that's the major part of the entire Old Testament, is this cycle of they're blessed with something, they sin, they fall into judgment, they go back, call upon the Lord, he helps them out of the predicament, blesses them again, and then the minute things start going well, they get wealthy, or I guess when they grow too much in wealth and possessions, then they start going to the pleasure principle, sinning again, going away from God, and I got to thinking, looking back at the history of this country, we haven't done much different in Israel as a nation, have we?
It's pretty much the same story. In Corinthians, I'm trying to think, I know it's chapter 10, I can't remember, it's 1st and 2nd Corinthians now, but it says that those things were written, like what's in the, I just slipped out of my mind now, in the Exodus, and then written in Judges, you know, in the 1st Kings, 2nd Kings, it says it was written for our admonition, it was written for us to see what happened to Israel, and don't do the same thing, or be blessed and all. So yeah, all those things you're writing, we're talking about, the Bible tells us that was written so we can go by, and not to go by the bad things they did and end up bankrupt with the Lord, but unfortunately, it's a very powerful force, very powerful, and we can be subject to sin, like Israelis, the ancient children of Israel were, but you know, the things about, like the Bible says, you know, walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. So we have the ability not to be drawn in like they were, but the Bible says to walk in the Spirit, the resurrection power of Jesus Christ, and we won't be entrapped like the children of Israel were. Maybe that's why there's a lot of people who profess to be Christians, but have really no possession. In other words, they don't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, they're not really born again, but they claim to be, quote, Christians. Those of us that are born again take the name Christian because that's the name of our spiritual father, Jesus Christ, right?
Exactly! What did it say in Acts? They were first called Christians in, was it Antioch?
In the book of Acts? Yeah, they were first called Christians in Antioch, because Jesus the Christ, in Greek that's Jesus, like the Messiah, the Savior, that's what Christ means. Jesus' name is, I'm just going to say Jesus, the name Jesus is Jehoshua, which means Jehovah saves, so Jesus is Christ the Messiah, Christ the Savior, Jesus the Savior. Right, Messiah in Greek is translated as Christ. Right, and Jesus is Savior.
Jesus the Savior, you know, Jesus the Messiah, the Savior. Yeah, so it just, it amazes me that, yeah, like you said, sin must be powerful. We're taught that if we don't understand history, we're doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past, and as Christians we have the Bible, we have the history, and as nations we keep repeating, not as individuals, but as nations we keep repeating all these sins of the past. That's one of the things that tells me the Bible is really, really true, because you can see it happening.
You read about it happening in times of old, you see it happening now, and you realize this was all told long, long ago, and it's coming true. So, well, we've got two more I want to throw in. One was the Mosaic covenant, and, oh no, that's recovered, the Davidic covenant. This is the unconditional one that's found in 2 Samuel.
I'd like to go into it, but not time tonight. 2 Samuel 7, verses 8 through 16, the promise is to bless David's family line to ensure an everlasting kingdom, and, quote there, Jesus is from that line of David. We see that in Luke chapter 1, 32 and 33.
He is called the Son of David, and also in Mark 10, 47. Now we've got, this time, the new covenant, and this new covenant is found in two places. I had listed first Jeremiah 31, 31 through 34, but you said probably even Isaiah 42, 1 through 6 comes first.
Which do you think comes first? Well, Isaiah comes before Jeremiah in the chronological order, but it's so powerful. Let me just read two scriptures here. Isaiah 42, 1. Behold my servant whom I uphold, mine elect, in whom my soul delighted.
I have put my spirit upon him, and he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. Well, there's a prophecy about the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, and then we get back to verse 12. That's Matthew 12, 18 to 21 right there.
Yes, exactly. And then we get back to verse 6. I, the Lord, have called thee in righteousness. I will hold thy hand. I will keep thee.
Now look at this. I will give thee, I will give you, for a covenant of the people, for a light to the Gentiles. So the New Testament, the covenant, is the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, and he's not only for the Jews, but he's for the Gentiles.
Right. Well, that's pretty much right there, kind of, a light for a light of the Gentiles. So covenant of the people provided the Gentiles, he actually, I don't see right there where it says his people at all. If you look at that 5 and 6 there, he actually just says Gentiles because, well, what happened? The children of Israel rejected him, right? Well, he came, though, to Israel. Right, originally, but here it's, he's almost like saying he's going to be this light to the Gentiles, but it, another verse is, yeah, he's for his chosen people, but I find it very interesting that it wasn't written both for the children of Israel and the light to the Gentiles. That's not the way it's written, is it? Well, that's one of the awesome things of the Scripture, is that the book was written by Jews, like two Jews, but we see that he is for everyone, just like here, like the verse we're talking about. He is for the Gentiles just as much as he is for the people of Israel. Real quick, can you read Jeremiah 31 through 31, 34?
Okay, let me get over there. Jeremiah 31, 31. Right, 31 through 34. Okay, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I'll make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, and the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, which my covenant they bring, although I was a husband unto them, saith the Lord, but this shall be the covenant I will make with the house of Israel, after those days, saith the Lord. I will put my law in their inward parts, and will write it upon their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord. For they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more. That reminds me of Hebrews 8, starting in verse 10, Hebrews 8 chapter, called the New Covenant, but I'm going to start chapter 10, for this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord. I will put my law into their mind, and write them in their hearts, and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. And so he's talking about really repeating the same thing.
Christ is a high priest bringing the New Covenant, and that's that covenant where what? The indwelling. When he said right in their hearts, he's talking about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God, right?
Absolutely. Notice it's in two places. It's in the mind, and it's in the heart.
The heart. Exactly. Well, to back up, it's funny, Isaiah, where we read, talked about that he was going to be a light to the gentiles, and then when you go over to Jeremiah, Jeremiah then talks about he's coming for the children of, to make the children, with the children of Israel, the house of Israel, and the house of Judah. So it's almost like it's separated. I found that quite interesting. I'd never caught that before.
One is about us, one is strictly about the children of Israel. Yeah. Did you ever catch that? Yeah, it's a nice way to look at it. I missed that. Yeah.
They kind of separated it out in Scripture for us, but Isaiah is talking about the coming Christians, the Messiah, and then Jeremiah talks about with the children of Israel, Judah and Israel. It's fascinating. Every time you read the Bible, you learn something, folks. Every time you study, you find something you've never seen. And I think we're just about run out of time.
Go. The Bible is a living book. And it is beyond our ability to know everything in it.
I know, I've been trying to study it for 30 years and I'm still working on it, right? I have a little phone prompt. Can you hear me now? I hear you fine. Okay. It looks like we need to take a break right now. Is Josh ready? Okay.
Take it away, Josh. A little girl lay dying. She was only eight years old. She said, I want to see the future.
So they left them alone. Will you make me a promise? She said as she walked in, he said, tell me what I can do.
She said this to him. Tell mom and dad about Jesus and all the pain that he had to bear. Tell mom and dad about heaven after heaven they can see me there. Tell mom and dad about Jesus. Tell them what he's done for them. Tell mom and dad about Jesus, please. So I'll see them.
She said, I know I'm dying, but that's not my stand. I know I'll go to heaven, but what about mom and dad? I told them about Jesus, but I could not make them see.
So when they come to my funeral, would you do this for me? Tell mom and dad about Jesus and all the pain that he had to bear. Tell mom and dad about heaven above how they can see me there. Tell mom and dad about Jesus. Tell them what he's done for them. Tell mom and dad about Jesus, please. So I'll see them. She said they dropped me off at Sunday school, and I'm so glad they did. But how great it would have to be in a church service with them. She said, promise me you'll tell them. And she faded off to sleep.
He said, sweetheart, don't worry, that's a promise that I'll keep. Tell mom and dad about Jesus and all the pain that he had to bear. Tell mom and dad about heaven above how they can see me there. Tell mom and dad about Jesus. Tell them what he's done for them. Tell mom and dad about Jesus, please. So I'll see them. Tell mom and dad about Jesus, please.
So I'll see them again. Welcome back to What's Right, What's Left Radio Ministry, the voice of the Christian Resistance. This is Pastor Joe Larson filling in for Pastor Ernie, who's a little under the weather, home recuperating, had some health problems, and we've been asking everybody to keep him in prayer.
He's hoping to be back on Monday night. Some of you may not know me, I've been retired for a little while. I've been kind of letting my ranch go way downhill, had a lot of work to do to catch up.
I'm getting old and it's taking three times as long and twice as hard as it should have been, because I'm older. Anyway, I'm back helping him while he's sick. I'll be filling in once in a while. And with me tonight is big John McTernan. And John, do you want to introduce yourself?
There's a lot of people who maybe just tune in that don't know just exactly who you are. Thank you, Pastor Joe. Yeah, I'm Chaplain John McTernan, and I've actually known Pastor Ernie since 1995. What's that, 30 years now?
It's exactly 30 years. And I can't tell you how many years ago, years back, but Pastor Ernie asked me to come on Friday nights with him, so I have been coming on Friday nights for many, many years. I have a ministry called USAProphecy.com.
My main ministry is in Pakistan, India, Kenya, Africa. I love being here on Friday nights and working with Pastor Ernie. I spoke to him just not too long ago, and he was very, very tired, but it was really good news about his heart. So we will have him back here Monday, Brother Joe.
Yeah, well, I was hoping. I told him I'd be with him for a couple nights if he was a little weak, so I know he thinks the world of you, and you've been a blessing to him all those Friday nights. I'm like you, I kind of can't remember. We met sometime 25 years ago, a little longer, because I've been on the radio about 30 years. We both couldn't remember when it all started, but like you, I was on and off because I had kind of an accident.
I was out for a while, injured pretty badly, in and out of the hospital and whatnot. Anyway, tonight's your night. One of your top stories, really, of the day, not just the day, but when I talk about the day, the past few months that's going on, you would call it one word, it would be Harvard, right?
Well, yeah, I did mention that to you. There's so much going on. I mean, President Trump is literally deflating the New World Order here.
He's going into the deep state, as we call it, and deflating it and taking the power away. I mean, it's awesome to watch. Brother Joe, I can't wait to get up in the morning and kind of see the news and what's going on. I mean, it's incredible. And God has really blessed us, really, really blessed us.
We were right on the edge of never coming back, and it's a beautiful answer to prayer, so I thank the Lord every day that he's answered prayers like this. Now, you mentioned Harvard. The reason I'm following Harvard very closely is Harvard is like a portal for the deep state to hook up with China and hook up with Iran. It has about 30%, I think it's 27-28% of Harvard is foreign students.
It said 31, the press had said 27-28, but Trump said 31, so pick your pick, right? Of course, Harvard is an enemy of America. It hates the whole atmosphere there, the faculty, anything to do with the Bible, anything to do with the Lord Jesus Christ.
They mock, they hate, they are really, really 100% there against God, and of course now they've turned, it's very dangerous for the Jewish students there, and they've allowed Palestinian students and Muslims to come, and they outright hate Israel. So, Trump, they are rebellious, and when I say they, I mean Harvard. Trump wants to get a control on the foreign students. They won't provide him the information.
It's amazing. He set up guidelines for them to protect the Jewish students on campus, they won't do it, and they've gone to court to fight everything Trump's tried to do. But here's the thing, the way this is heading, and I think in the end, no matter what Harvard does, they're going to lose. They're going to lose a third of their students. They're going to lose an enormous amount of their faculty. They're going to lose, and the end result also, I believe, they're going to become, they lose their tax exemption. So there is billions of dollars involved, and I think God's pulled Harvard down, Brother Joe. We're going to look at Harvard like a community college, not too far in the future. I think you're right.
I think one of the biggest reasons is because they are going to put up this fight. Like you said, they're basically socialist communists, really. Extreme liberal, but what they are is communist. They use the term, a lot of them call themselves socialist, but we know that a communist is a socialist in a hurry. That's really the definition. And that came from, what was it, Lenin, I think, was the one that said that. One of the big people came out with that phrase.
It was just one, let's get there in a hurry, the others, let's get there gradually. Socialism is a gradual approach, working your way gradually into communism. So either term is a, I can't say the word, Harvard. And I think as much as they're now standing out, yeah, they're going to lose because the people are seeing them. A lot of people no longer want to send their children to Harvard. A lot of the alumni have decided to quit sending money to the place, and what's going to happen, they're going to end up being the university of the liberal left. And a lot of the students from around the world no longer can come there, a lot of them don't want to.
They're going to lose a lot of the Jewish students, and some of the smarter universities are going to pick up on some of the courses. But what's so funny is, I think you remember, Harvard started out also being a college for graduating pastors, right? It was a seminary school, a big seminary school. Yeah, 1636 or 9, 16, I think it's 36, that's Harvard, was created to educate pastors, preachers of the gospel.
They wanted them to have great knowledge to preach the word. And in fact, all the Ivy League schools were. What happened, I remember, I can't, my memory's not like it used to be, but some point there, late 1700s, early 1800s, the Unitarians took over Harvard, Unitarian Universalists.
And that's when they went anti-Christ and pro-everything that was more anti-Christ and started going after power and money and really going astray. That was kind of a gradual thing, but I think that's when the Unitarians totally took over, that that was the downfall of Harvard. And the source of a lot of problems we're having in our country today, because that and Columbia Teachers College turning out thousands of what? Socialist teachers into our public full system. Between the two, the Harvard lawyers, the Harvard Law School, Columbia University Teachers College turning out the teachers who would teach the children. That's two of the biggest reasons America's in the mess we're in. Would you agree with that?
Oh, absolutely. And it's interesting the way you put it together, because when we look at the Ivy League schools, I don't know about now, but back in the day, Princeton was the school that turned out diplomats. So the State Department was absolutely filled with Princeton diplomats, and from the very beginning, they didn't like Israel.
The President, you take President Truman back in 1948, he had to fight his own State Department to recognize Israel. They tried to undo what he did, the American State Department, and so the State Department has been really taken over by Princeton now. I graduated from Princeton, I don't quite think it's that way today, but throughout history I know for sure it was. Education, the devil understood, right? We've been, this country, for what, at least 150 years that I can see, especially in the last 100, we've been sending our children to the devil to be educated. And then we wonder why the country is taking the turn into the liberalism to wade into the anti-Christ system, but it's the people's fault for letting their children be educated by a school that didn't hold Christ as its head.
Well, not quite. We were blessed because the schools, the public schools, began with prayer and Bible reading all throughout the country, really until the early 1960s. And then really until the 80s with Madeline Murray O'Hare.
Oh, yeah, yeah. And then after 1963-64, that's when we began to slide. Now, when I went to school, I was there before prayer and Bible reading was taken out of the schools. I started the schools in school in 1950, and I remember, I remember vividly the battle in the media and with the Supreme Court about removing prayer and Bible reading out of the schools.
We had the same thing, but I was thinking, I guess, more in terms of what I said those years ago. It was higher education that this was going on, because it was like back in the early 50s, 51 or 52, the head of Columbia Teachers College was a Fabian socialist that said, we have to get away from this, you know, following God and all this, or we have to start using man's knowledge and intellect to guide and direct our paths. And he really started pushing the socialist agenda and all the teachers, and those teachers would go into the classroom. So a lot of this stuff started at the higher education and filtered.
And then, like you said, by about the 80s, that's when they took God out of school, that these people were really able to start pushing their agenda. Yeah, because when I went to high school, you know, the big thing was fistfights and smoking in the boys' room, and that's about it. I mean, there were no drugs. I graduated in 1966.
There were no drugs. My brother graduated the same school seven years later, and it was incredible. So that, it was a fast drop-off from our schools when prayer and Bible reading was removed from it. In 1962 and 63, the decisions, 63 was the final one.
You're right. I remember we had the prayer, we had the Ten Commandments, and we had a rifle match, and a lot of the boys were part of the rifle team, and we took 22s. There were rifles that went to school. Quite different than it is today. You're bringing back memories now, Hal.
I grew up in a rural area, a small school, relatively small, especially small for New York, and at any given day during the hunting season, the pickup trucks in the parking lot and some of the cars had shotguns and rifles in them. Nobody was afraid. Nobody used them.
No. Nobody was afraid. But I can remember a friend of mine coming into school with a rather large hunting knife on his hip, and he was walking down the hall with it, and one of the teachers stopped him and said, Please, go back out, take that and put it in your car. He said, Oh, okay.
He didn't even realize he had it on his hip. He said, Okay, all right. Now you'd have how many SWAT teams come and convert you to school, right? Right.
It'd be chaos. Well, I remember going deer hunting, and we'd come back into town early, stopped. It was a local McDonald's, and I had a pistol on my hip, and it had been for a backup if you had to, you know, kill a wounded animal. And I remember sitting there at McDonald's, and here, you know, 16, 17-year-old boy, nobody paid any attention to the fact that I had a pistol on my hip, and I think the other guy we had hunting knives, just sitting there at McDonald's, and nobody even gave us a look. It was just so normal, nobody thought anything about it.
Not quite the same today. You brought up Harvard, but these other colleges, there's a story that just came up a little while ago. Jewish students are walking out after MIT commencement speaker accused the University of aiding in Israel's genocide. I guess this Megha Vemuri, the class president, 2025 president, praised her classmates for protesting against Israel in the wake of the Hamas terrorist attacks. You know, I thought that was wonderful. The terrorist attacks were great, and they were righteous, and they were, you know, and they were knocking MIT, you know, siding with Israel, and she said, I'm proud of you for the, you know, your solidarity with the pro-Palestinian activity, and you faced threats, intimidation, suppression, and oh, she went on, well, half the crowd was cheering her, and half the crowd was booing her on a video there.
I can't show a video on the radio very well. And some of the students were waving the Palestinian flag, were kind of scuffling with security, and a lot of the students, Jewish students and some others, walked out shouting shame, shame. So here, MIT split up, you know. This is the state of our country in higher ed. You've got these, some of the students trying to fight the woke, pro-One World Order, pro-Palestine movement, the others pushing it.
I've never seen this country so divided, and the division started in the higher education establishments, right? Well, yeah. I mean, you could predict, and I can't remember quite when it started, that it started under Obama, that a lot of the Muslims were being brought into the country, and so when that happened, it was only a matter of time before what we're seeing took place. I mean, it's going to happen. So the liberals are either stupid beyond belief, or they did it on purpose, knowing what would happen. You know, long ago, somebody may have said it was stupid, but to me, this was planned. It's been working beneath the surface. It's not something that just accidentally happened. This has been going on a long, long time.
Yeah, I'm with you. There were people far before me. Yeah, who was it wrote that, 25 years, pastor, what's he, having a senior moment, Ben Darecall Education, John Stormer, was one of the ones coming out calling, it's not education, it's indoctrination, and boy, he was writing that book over 30 years ago. I remember getting to meet him and got a copy of his book when he was quite old, by the time the 90s rolled around.
I think he died sometime in the early 90s. But there were people way before us that were warning, saying what's going on in the school system, and people just weren't listening, because what the enemy did, it was brilliant. They made the school the center of the community, right? The little kids in kindergarten singing, we wish you a Merry Christmas, you know, every parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, cousin would go to the school for the Christmas play with the little kids. And they made it the heart of the community, the basketball, the baseball games, and nobody wanted to say anything bad against the heart of the community. Well, my kids got a chance to be a basketball player, a baseball player.
He learned to play music in the school band, and everybody was so tied into it emotionally. The families gathered there, went to the events, and they were brought into the PTA like, oh, you have part, something to do with it, when they were gradually getting rid of all the parent input. It's been a slow, gradual thing that's been planned. The enemy is patient. The enemy is not in the right.
Socialism, we will get there, but not in a hurry. Yeah, that's what it takes is patience, because when they look, like in the 1920s, trying to take over America, it couldn't be done because of the social structure, the strength of the church and all, but they began, they planted the seed. So they had to have a long-term agenda to do what they finally wanted. They had an agenda, and the trouble is we kind of, I did an article many years ago, I wish I'd gotten it out, called Isms and Education, and I just got a couple of minutes, but you go all the way back to Sparta. The children were raised to obey the state. They were taken away from the parents early, raised to be proponents of the state. Then you go to the Prussians. The children were raised to believe in the state, no matter what, to support the state. No matter what truth they were told, the Prussian government was always right.
And this went to the Russians, the Germans, and most of the school systems in the entire world were based on that premise that the child belonged to the state, and that kind of permeated our education system, and I think the NEA still thinks that children belong to the schools, to the NEA. So we're coming up here on a break, folks. This is Pastor Joe Larson sitting in for Pastor Ernie Sanders. We're going to take a short break and a few seconds here, and we'll be right back with a whole lot more.
