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Mormonism 101 is research ministries Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson for so many more to understand what separates Mormonism from the Christian faith. Mormonism 101 is what your favorite Christian bookstore online. MRM.org .1 examines the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from a perspective view .1 Mormonism is sponsored by Mormonism research ministry since 1979 Mormonism research ministry has been dedicated to equipping the body of Christ with answers regarding the Christian faith in a manner that expresses gentleness and respect. And now, your host for today's viewpoint on Mormonism welcome to this edition viewpoint on Mormonism.
I'm your host Bill McKeever Felder director Mormonism research ministry with me today is Eric Johnson. My colleague at M. R. M. Tomorrow, June 27, 2019 marks the 175th anniversary of the death of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as it is known today on June 6 we commemorated D-Day, which is another significant date in history, but I think a lot of latter-day Saints are probably going to be reminded about this significant date coming up tomorrow and that is the death of Joseph Smith because Latter Day Saints look at Joseph Smith's death as a martyrdom and I'll be quite differently. Eric I really feel that had not. Joseph Smith died the way he did. And that is basically in a gun battle with a mob at Carthage jail while he was incarcerated with other members of the LDS church including his brother Hiram. We probably wouldn't be here talking about this subject. I don't even think there would be a Mormonism research ministry in existence and why do I say that folks is because I really think that at the time Joseph Smith died a lot of what he had accomplished was starting to unravel and there were a lot of people that were lacking faith in Joseph Smith in the last years of his life because of a lot of the things that he had done, and because of a lot of those things that he had done. People were starting to lose faith in him as a prophet of God. But when you kill Joseph Smith in the eyes of his followers. He becomes a martyr and that changes everything.
Now, do I really think that he fit the traditional definition of a martyr. No I don't because martyrs don't usually try to defend themselves. At least that's the way I understand Christian history to be when they went.
For instance, to the arena to be killed by wild beasts. They were in many cases standing there singing hymns praying to God and waiting for those animals to finally come and kill them did so maybe put their arms up to block the teeth perhaps, but I don't know of any who had weapons to defend themselves. They certainly would were given weapons, but Joseph Smith did have a gun in his possession and he did use that gun to fire at his attackers and according to John Taylor in the history of the church which is published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He use that gun to shoot three people and according to Taylor.
Two of those people. He shot died from their wounds. I want to mention two websites that we have MRM.org. The first one is an article that I wrote called the martyrdom of Joseph Smith that first appeared in the Christian research Journal back in 2008 and if you want to go see that article what you're talking about though.
I go through all this evidence MRM.org/martyrdom. And if you just put that in, or just type in martyrdom in the search engine on our page. You'll be able to get that article and I think that might give you some good information in preparation for tomorrow that a lot of people can be talking about the martyrdom of Jeff is missile how do we as evangelical Christians deal with that now. A second page that I want to direct you to is where your video is with 588,000 hits on YouTube that Aaron shuffle Wallace did a decade ago called the final moments at Carthage jail and the death of Joseph Smith.
You can go to that article MRM.org/death of Joseph Smith with hyphens between each of those words MRM.org/death of Joseph Smith. I think understanding these things because were probably going to be seeing things tomorrow's newspaper were going to be hearing things on the radio people to be talking about this so that's why we wanted to talk about this a day early to get you prepared because hundred 75 years is a special anniversary and a lot of people are going to be talking about how important Joseph Smith was any any definitely was but as far as martyrdom. I think that we as Christians need to say wait a second here. There are a lot of facts. For instance, that he had a gun that he used and the church hasn't hidden that fact. In fact, they have the guns over the church history Museum but a lot of Latter Day Saints don't know about that, and that video, I should mention was done very impromptu. Aaron and his wife Stacy had come over to dinner and after dinner. He had asked me if it would be okay if he just interviewed me on the death of Joseph Smith. I did not have any time to really do a lot of in depth preparing for this. I think I had a book in my lap at the end of the time of the interview is a reference I been amazed at how many people have gone and seen that video when you think about over 588,000 people have viewed that how much of it I can't say, but certainly that is quite a few and I'm sure it probably shocked a lot of people to hear some of the things that I was saying, much of which comes from LDS sources and that's what we often do, if you know anything about Mormonism research ministry folks we stick to primary sources because we have found that to be one of the best ways to show Mormons problems in their own history and in their own theology.
We don't cite a lot of sources about the Mormons we cite Mormon sources. And that seems to have the best now.
I might mention something here. The title of that video untold story of the death of Joseph Smith. It may seem a little bit odd today because since that video was posted.
The church has been forced to be much more transparent about its history and certainly some of the things about Joseph Smith death of been written about since that time I wasn't implying that the church is never talked about this and I didn't even make the title that was that was airing the did the title but I think the context of the title is the fact that many Latter Day Saints did not know all the intricate details regarding Joseph's map and so they would say that they were not told about this is not that it was not cold at all because as you mentioned, it is in some sources in the sources I cite in the video itself lists in the church has talked about things like the death of Joseph Smith.
They have talked about just dismiss polygamy. They have talked about a lot of the controversial issues, but where would Latter Day Saints today be able to find that's where the Internet has come in because things that a lot of Latter Day Saints didn't know are all of a sudden being read on these websites will then in 2013 at 2015, the church decided to take some of those very hard issues and put them into essays, gospel topics, essays and bill we have seen in the last seven years and mass exodus out of this church because people didn't know some of the information, such as Joseph Smith having multiple wives or that the book of Mormon was translated with the magic seer stone in a hat that Joseph Smith looked into and other things that might be understood today, but weren't so well understood, even just a decade ago and we have seen this video have a major impact though I have talked to at least three or four people at our meetings or wherever, who have said that that video was instrumental in them questioning Mormonism because they doubted what you were saying and they told me well you know that he couldn't have been right and then all of a sudden they started to do the research and sure enough they found out you were right so that video came out well before the gospel topics, essays, or any kind of admission that Jesse Smith uses gun live a good friend who attends Brighton church and he and his wife came to talk to me about this and he had seen that video and he relayed to me that when he was starting to watch it that he based on what I was saying he assumed I was a BYU professor I had a kind of chocolate that, but then as it went on. Of course I'm saying some things that he recognized the BYU professor would probably not say another words he even saw that there's a limit to the candidness that even a BYU professor might have regarding their own history and of course as he watched it to the very end. He realized that of course I was not a part of the LDS church that I certainly am not a BYU professor folks.
I was never even a Mormon, but he saw it conflicted with what he had understood about Joseph Smith in Joseph Smith's death and that of course led him eventually out of the Mormon church. I have to read this, we were just doing some research, and this is on Reddit and it's on the X Mormon section of read it on the website are EDD, IT.com and this is what somebody posted back in March 2019. So this is new. This is what this person wrote Bill McKeever's untold story of the death of Joseph Smith YouTube video is what started my journey eight years ago. One year after getting home from my mission and six months after my temple marriage. Last night my wife and I watch it again, then click to resign.
Thank you Bill, and this entire community. It's been a wild ride just three months ago.
Bill somebody saw your video again and decided to resign.
Based on this very issue that were talking about and I want to read one more that was in this in the comment section and it says this I remember thinking during the first part of the video that you did bill about the novel expositor and polygamy and said okay these are anti-lies but then when he talks about Joseph having a gun and how the present day missionaries in Carthage jail will point out the bulletholes. I thought okay this should be pretty easy verifiable. Sure enough that night at my parents house.
I found a church published life of Joseph Smith in pictures book that had pictures of the gun and at the time that video was done I I think I mentioned in it.
How I have been to Carthage many times I've been to the jail were Joseph Smith was killed and I have noticed that on every single one of my tours. The tour guides never mentioned the fact that Joseph Smith had a smokable pistol, but I always bring it up whenever I'm there. I always want to bring it up when they open up for questions, and it's not that that all of the tour guides denied. I have had at least one gentleman I remember acted as if I didn't know what I was talking about. I had to remind them that I got this information from his own sources from the history of the church to which he eventually concurred that was a good source.
But the fact is they don't normally mention it. Now I don't know now because I haven't been back there in a few years that maybe this is now a part of the script where they do feel like will we better say it because it's probably going to come up maybe they do now, but they certainly didn't do that during all the visits that I have had to the Carthage jail the same person who had given the previous comment on Reddit.com also said this in another post. The fact that I had just served a mission telling the Joseph Smith story every day for two years and showing that restoration video like a thousand times and had still now and that's STI LL and had still never heard about the gun made me think what other inconvenient facts are the church, not being forthright about and I think that's a question that many Latter Day Saints find themselves asking, especially if they go to the gospel topic essays that you would just mention because we know of many people who because of those essays and seem the limited transparency of the church now have been troubled by what they read and is one couple told us that's not the church that they were trusting them. I can only imagine that many more have done that as well listeners your homework tonight is to go on the website MRM.org/death of Joseph Smith with hyphens in between each of those words. Look at this video and then build tomorrow and Friday were going to be talking more about what all transpired on the last day of Joseph Smith's life. Thank you for listening you would like new information regarding his research ministry. We encourage you to visit our website www.mrm.org you can request a free newsletter Mormonism research. We hope you will join us again as we look at another viewpoint is