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November 5, 2019 8:04 am
In their own words collection of Mormon quotations compile his research ministries Bill McKeever is a valuable resource when wanting to know what Mormon leaders have said on a given topic and pick up your coverage of a neutral lighthouse bookstore or MRM.org .1 is examines the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from a biblical perspective viewpoint when Mormonism is sponsored by Mormonism research ministry since 1979 Mormonism research ministry has been dedicated to equipping the body of Christ with answers regarding the Christian faith in a manner that expresses gentleness and respect. And now, your host for today's viewpoint on Mormonism. Our thanks to Adam's rib. After that musical introduction welcome to this edition of viewpoint on Mormonism. I'm your host, Bill McKeever, founder and director Mormonism research ministry and with me. The day is a good friend, Mike Manning, Mike Manning is with great commission in Utah and he has been ministering among those who are involved in polygamy and again Michael and I welcome you to the show and yesterday we were talking about what drew you here to Utah from the state of Minnesota and gave us a few details there and we were talking about your transition in dealing with some of the polygamist groups here, so let let's go back and let's talk about that some more. Why would you have a heart towards these people because for the most part they're kind of ignored. I would think among many.
I know a lot of people are focused on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are as a ministry. It's not that we don't know about these groups but we really don't make a concerted effort to get in among them to minister to them. People like you do that and there are others that are certainly called to doing that and so let's let's talk about that, why why the polygamist group will God called me to Utah to pastor a church and not just pastor or church, but to build a church and to lead people to Christ and that that little church when I came on a good Sunday. We might've had 3035 people.
What happened is God bless the ministry after five years we we had an average on Sunday morning, 110 220 people at the church and and things were going well. About 40% of these people were new converts from Mormonism and then a lot were new converts from from perhaps others, other areas, but as clearly Bill is what God called me into pastoring this church, God called me out of pastoring that church things were going well. The church God had blessed God had brought the people in and I was having a great time and God put in my heart your time here is finished and I did dated with God over that and then became stronger and stronger. Is this really true you is God really calling me some other place and we had little a little office in the back part of the property of that church and I clearly remember as though it happened yesterday I walked from that office. I walked to the church and halfway just a little distance.
I cried out to God and I said God, do you know what you're doing you know I am I at that time I said I am 60 I think. I think it was 66 something like that. I'm 65, I said I have diabetes.
My diabetes alone cost $900 a month take care of. I got a great insurance plan. I'm on a retirement plan which is not yet finished and now you're calling me away I don't hear God speaking to me audibly in my ears but it came very clear, Mike. I chose Abraham to go someplace, not knowing where he was going to trust me and I was man I had no idea how it's going to make a living as I had a salary I had the golden handcuffs on and so God called me out. I had a raise my own support in all that long story short is this. I dealt with it and over the next months I felt God leading me into more if these polygamist people were on my mind and in nobody knows how many there are in Utah you know John Krakauer says that the author of under the Banner of Heaven. He says he thinks it's up to hundred and 20,000 but nobody knows that it's maybe more somewhere between 80 and 100,000. Some are saying. So we did a little survey among the churches and Christian evangelical churches in Utah and we asked a number questions of who we asked him this question. Are you ministering to anyone that's living in polygamy or from a polygamy background and we found two churches in the entire state that were ministering to people that came out of polygamy.
That's when God put in my heart. You need to go and establish that ministry in the sneers.
I could tell there was one person that was really ministering at the time, bringing polygamist to Christ Doris Hansen she's up north and and she was working among some of the Kingston group and a few others, but other than that we have this whole unreached people group in this state and so I say well God.
How do I do this and I just started driving 320 miles south into Colorado city Warren Jeffs was the prophet when I came into town that will we call the God squad. That's the churches of security people. They harassed the daylights out of us and we found out that no one has ever gone into that town except I understand there was a guy from St. George in length.
Late 1980s he came in on his Harley-Davidson and he held a Bible study with a few people and he got scared out. He never came back after a couple times so anyway that's what happened. God put it on my heart and when I get the marching orders I need to go we mentioned Doris Hansen in the Kingston groom and Doris came out of the Kings. Yes, this and let's talk a little bit about the various groups that are here in Utah because, as you mentioned when you came out here. You didn't even though this still existed, and I'm sure there's a lot of people that don't know that this still exists. This is really folks Joseph Smith's legacy.
There's no one else to blame this on.
But Joseph Smith, at least in the context of Utah. They all can trace it back to Joseph Smith. He never repented of his plural marriage.
Brigham Young never repented of his plural marriage, neither did John Taylor the third president. It was Wilford Woodruff the fourth president of the church that sign the manifesto, but that was more for political reasons.
Yes, the federal government was coming down on them.
Course polygamy was one of the two twin relics of barbarism, polygamy and slavery federal government was now going to give this attention with the Edmonds Tucker act.
In the 1880s stated, let it ride. Since the moral act of 1862 that Lincoln had signed below. How do people think will cancel the past that doesn't go on anymore and then you're realizing when you get here.
That certainly is something that's going on and if the LDS people are a neglected mission field. You can only imagine how neglected the polygamist would be because as you say, we don't even know how many of them exist and they are trying very hard to be under the wire because they know that what they're doing is something that is not legal and they don't want to have any run-ins with the law and so they are very secretive about that but you talked about the Kingston group. The official title of the Kingston group is called the Davis County Cooperative Society how how how large would you think this group might be because you put out an email a while back where you were throwing out some estimates and some things that you have learned being I guess you could say more. The inside of talking to some of these people. We don't really even know official numbers are but you would put in your email. It's estimated that their membership in all locations of Utah, Idaho, and Colorado number over 15,000. Is that still sound about right. Well that's that's I'm glad you said that you put estimates on what you think and that's what we think and I I say we we talk about how many are there. I there's an attorney here in town that I deal with a lot on child rescue cases and that sort of thing.
But, and that's what he says and then Wikipedia is, is there right in that area as well and so but nobody nobody really knows. But we know that it's very large.
They've been in the news recently and you would written on this unit sits on about two of their leaders and wives are now awaiting trial for bilking the United States government out of more than 550 million while you would think that would get more press coverage. Why is it that it doesn't, well, it's you have to understand I think that most of the press is heavily influenced by the LDS by the Mormon people. They get a little press here and there, but this particular case I watch it, a number of other people watch the media's it comes out. The leaders couple of the leaders of the Kingston's admitted now under oath, that it was their goal to bilk the US government out of over million dollars and they had crossed the halfway mark and and it was a gal with in the group itself that decided to get out. She's the one that blew the whistle to the FBI and they finally closed it. I personally think they've only seen the tip of the iceberg of the courts in Utah take for example, a lot of people don't know, but the dictatorial leader Warren Jeffs, himself, you know he had the I'm told by his son. His son told me that he had over 80 wives and in a number of them were 11 years old 12 years old 13 years old and anyway, the FBI finally caught him and and he went on trial, but he went on trial in Utah.
A lot of people have forgotten about that and and he was convicted in Utah but shortly after Utah.
I let them go because of some technicality of informing the jury was they claimed was not was not what it should've been so they left him go.
And that's when the Texas Rangers picked him up and then they put them on trial there and I can take you back to three years. The foodstamp fraud just in Colorado city.
I drove in there one morning in my goodness it was like I was coming into a war zone. I found out later from a contact that I have with the FBI that the FBI had over 250 SWAT team members. These are the guys wearing the black jackets FBI SWAT team, and then they were they had surrounded three buildings of the F LDS in Colorado city and there were people there with machine guns and I mean the federal government spent a huge amount of money getting to this point they finally arrested 11 people with in with in the F LDS who had had taken the United States government for over $11 million just in that town alone and you know what happened. They went to court. They were found guilty and and a judge here in Utah, a very strong Mormon guy released the whole works. He sent to him. He sent them home. He said they just released him. Except for one guy and that's Lyle Jeffs, who still in prison wasn't as large as the brother point she's the other one just so what I'm saying is this built you talk about polygamy being under the wire and it is it it's all under the wire. But you gotta remember that this state is run by the LDS church.
They have people all over they control the government. They controlled they control almost everything in and it's it's very interesting that every polygamist group. Even though the mainline Mormons you know say they no longer support polygamy but every one of the polygamist groups and the mainline church have one thing in common and that is they worship Joseph Smith and Ansell so that the judges release people that are guilty as can be and so that's a society that we live in. We been talking with Mike Manning with great commission, Utah talk about his involvement in ministering among those that are in the polygamist communities. Tomorrow I want to continue talking about the Kingston group as well as the F LDS, the fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as well as the apostolic United brethren so you want to catch tomorrow showing we discuss those those topics again, thank you for listening. If you would like new information is research ministry. We encourage you to visit our website www.mrm.org you can request a free newsletter is research. We hope you'll join us again as we look at another viewpoint