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March 16, 2021 9:02 pm
Jim, your own words a collection of Mormon quotations compiled by women as research ministries Bill McKeever is a valuable resource when wanting to know what Mormon leaders have said on a given topic and pick up your copy to Utah lighthouse bookstore or MRM.org .1 Mormonism examines the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from a biblical perspective view .1 Mormonism is sponsored by Mormonism research ministry since 1979 Mormonism research ministry has been dedicated to equipping the body of Christ with answers regarding the Christian faith in a manner that expresses gentleness and respect. And now, your host for today's viewpoint on Mormonism. What are the core beliefs and doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Welcome to this additional viewpoint on Mormonism.
I'm your host, Bill McKeever, founder and director Mormonism research ministry and with me today is Eric Johnson. My colleague at MRM if you were to have the missionaries the missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints come to your home. They're going to try to give you some lessons to introduce you to the teachings and history of their church.
That's to be expected.
Let's say after they leave.
You are interested in what they said and you want to learn more. Well, let's assume that the missionaries encouraged you to find out more about their church and told you that you should go to their official website church of Jesus Christ.org so you go to the church of Jesus Christ.org and you put in their search box basic beliefs or core beliefs or beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
A number of links will pop up and there are some significant ones that seem to come up more than most that deal with very brief explanations of what the LDS church teaches its people today, but would you get a complete understanding by reading some of these very short paragraphs that are supposed to explain what the LDS doctrines are all about in a given topic, and especially if you come from a Christian background where the words that they're using are very similar or the same as what we use in Christianity. So without having definitions available to you. I think that an average Christian could become very confused. I think you're absolutely correct, Eric, and how many times we emphasized it on this show that if you're going to have a profitable conversation with a member of the LDS church.
You need to define your terms. I cannot stress that enough.
Most of the problems that I find many professing Christians have with perhaps our criticism of the LDS church is because when they talk to their Mormon acquaintances, or they read their material. They don't bother to ask what what do you mean when you use these words. Some may even assume it could be rude but I don't think you need to be rude when it comes to just politely asking them will will explain to me what the definition is for you for this particular word or phrase. There's nothing wrong with that if were going to have a clear understanding of what our LDS friends believe we need to do that. We can't assume that not doing that is going to bring us to a clear understanding of where they are theologically well if you type in let's say core beliefs and doctrines on their official website church of Jesus Christ.org. One of the links that pops up is a PDF that's titled core beliefs and doctrines now when you look at this PDF you're going to find that it was made in 2016 and it also says for more information about the worldwide church visit Mormon newsroom.org will that alone is going to tell you that this is dated piece of information, because when Russell M. Nelson became the 17th president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 2018, he made a big deal about the word Mormon. He made a big deal about making sure never to call the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The LDS church or the Mormon church. We admit those are nicknames we also explained when that edict came out in August and later again emphasized in October 2018 that we would not comply with that. For one, the title is way too long in this radio program is way too short. We are going to use the old nickname we are going to use the LDS to describe the church but it's not meant to be offensive at all.
The name of the show is viewpoint on Mormonism.
How else are we supposed to identify the show the viewpoint on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Mormonism is the religion of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I don't know how else you're going to be able to talk about this as you would Islam and Hinduism and Buddhism and any other is a mouth are well.
Even this paper. This PDF core beliefs and doctrines uses the word Mormon when it describes Mormon missionaries, but again we understand this was in 2016 using the word Mormon was quite acceptable by just about every Latter Day Saints.
It was acceptable by many of the leaders of the LDS church. We have quotations that prove this now. It didn't bother Russell and Nelson. So when he becomes the prophet's ear and later he dictates the terms he is the leader of the church and there was no one above him in order to tell him he's wrong Bill. He said that Jesus was offended when these terms are used. I'm wondering is the offended since 2018 or when does that go back to since the very beginning of time that that's a good point. Are we to assume that Jesus got offended only after Russell and Nelson became the president because he also said if you call the church. The Mormon church that Satan gets a victory.
Did Satan not get a victory before Russell M. Nelson became president of the church does that mean when, for instance, Gordon B.
Hinckley use the term Mormon church in one of his books was Gordon B. Hinckley offending daughter giving Satan a victory when he use that phrase that I wouldn't say he was, but Nelson said that and as I mention he is the one who calls the shots.
And so Latter Day Saints are supposed to listen to him but let's look at some of the subheadings that are included in this paper. Core beliefs and doctrines that can be found on the official website of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that is church of Jesus Christ.org which I might mention is not the complete name of the church.
It's only a partial part of the name that's okay but LDS is an okay these are just things that I've been thinking about ever since 2018 when this came about. This is what they say under the nature of God.
God is often referred to in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as our heavenly father because he is the father of all human spirits and they are created in his image.
See Genesis 127 God the father, his son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost constitute the Godhead or Trinity for Mormons Latter Day Saints believe God is embodied though his body is perfect and glorified, and that's all it says about the nature of God on this paper so if you are curious as to what the church really believes on such an important issue as who is God, that's all you get in this paper now I admit there's a lot of other things that are on their official website that would go into more detail.
But remember, we are looking at this as a person who is perhaps had a conversation with some LDS missionaries or even their LDS neighbor and they are curious as to what they believe. So they go to the official website to find out information were not even saying go Google it. Because if you Google core beliefs of the LDS church you're going to get a lot of websites that are critical of the LDS church were assuming in our scenario that this interested individual goes directly to the official website of the LDS church and wants to know more about what they believe. Would you clearly understand what the church teaches regarding the nature of God. Based on that paragraph now. In fact, as we are mentioning earlier.
I would probably be confused because her using the same terms, we would when it comes to God. God the father, his son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, and apparently according to this, the Trinity is believed by Mormons and that's what's kinda fascinating to me because if you went to another article that is on an official website that the church owns this would be the news room website. They also have an article titled core beliefs and this is what it says under the title Trinity among the most important differences with other Christian churches are those concerning the nature of God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Okay, first of all stop right there. Here's the LDS church admitting on an official website that one of the important differences not just an important difference among the most important differences with other Christian churches are those concerning the nature of God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. That's important.
Let me just say that if I had an individual tell me belongs to a church that believes in God the father, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, but at the same time says, but among the most important differences regarding those three is we don't really agree with the rest of Christianity on it.
I would hope flags would start going up there something desperately wrong here, but the next sentence says to gather these form what is commonly referred to as the holy Trinity in many churches and as the Godhead by Latter Day Saints. Did you catch the difference in how this is worded here. A distinction is made, referring to the father, son and Holy Spirit in many other churches. This article says it's referred to as the holy Trinity, but it's referred to as the Godhead by Latter Day Saints but yet this other article also found on an official website owned by the LDS church says that God the father, his son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost constitute the Godhead or Trinity for Mormons now I'm not going to argue against this idea that LDS leaders in the past and sometimes even currently will use the word Trinity but they certainly do not define the Trinity as it's been understood historically, for instance, Hubie Brown, who was a member of the first presidency wrote a book called the abundant life on page 312.
This is what he says about the Trinity in our articles of faith we declare our belief in God the eternal father and in his son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost. In other words, the Trinity, we accept the scriptural doctrine that they are separate and distinct personages now. Historically, the Trinity is been understood as one God, eternally existing in three persons, father, son and Holy Spirit. But is that what Hubie Brown is saying in this particular paragraph on page 312 of his book the abundant life whelp Milton R. Hunter, who was a 70 in the LDS church. They wrote the pearl of great price commentary on page 52 he says this the ancient prophets knew that the Godhead consisted of three separate and distinct personages, each of whom had a definite work to perform, and yet they all worked in perfect unity is one the three sides constitute the holy Trinity folks. You were never going to find anywhere in Christian history that any Christian leader defined the Trinity as being composed of three gods.
It's always one God, eternally existing in three persons, father, son and Holy Spirit.
We have John Witzel in his book, evidence and reconciliations.
John Witzel was a Mormon apostle. He said the Bible is read fully and intelligently teaches that the holy Trinity is composed of individual gods. That is not what Christianity is ever taught and that is certainly not what Christianity teaches today regarding the doctrine of the Trinity.
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