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Not Appointed Unto Wrath

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Not Appointed Unto Wrath

Understanding The Times / Jan Markell

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Is the book of Revelation good news or bad news?

We'll talk about it this hour. Today, Jan Markell talks to Pastor Billy Crone of Sunrise Bible Church in Las Vegas, Nevada. They open the discussion talking about the seals of Revelation. These are end time judgments in the first half of the tribulation. Is the church present for this? We believe it is not.

The scripture is clear that God is not destined to believer for the wrath of God. Now here's Jan Markell to open our discussion. And welcome to the program. You know, we look at news, views, truths from a decidedly biblical perspective. And my guest for the hour, Pastor Billy Crone, talks about a lot of issues that are relevant and particularly relevant to this ministry and program.

So I have him on frequently. He spoke in Understanding the Times 2018 back on September 29th. And we're going to hit on more than one topic today. Let me introduce the hour with just a comment or two about topic number one, because we are carrying his 10 DVD set on the seals of Revelation. Many, when they hear things about the seals and the vials and the bowls, et cetera, they think that the subject matter is over their head. It would just be confusing.

And it can become a giant turnoff. And that is really tragic because Revelation is the only book of the Bible that promises a blessing for those who read it. Revelation 1-3, blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy.

And blessed are those who hear and who keep what is written in it for the time is near. So as we talk for the first few minutes anyway about the seals of the book of Revelation, and that would actually be the first half of the tribulation, approximately. Remember, there's a passage in scripture and it's 1 Thessalonians 4. It's an end time passage. It's really talking about the rapture. And it ends with comfort one another with these words. And honestly, folks, when you hear about some of the things that will be going on during the tribulation, it would be impossible to use the words of 1 Thessalonians 4. And that would be to encourage one another with these words, encourage one another with the words of the seals. My goodness, Pastor Billy Crone, welcome to the program and back me up here when I say that there's no way anyone could be comforted with what's going to take place. Yeah, well, thanks again, Jan, for having me on.

It's always a pleasure. And I agree with you. And I think that it's, I'll use this word ludicrous for people to always seem to want to try to squeeze the church into the seven-year tribulation, whether it's the first half or three-fourths of it or all the way, depending on their positions, because that's clearly not what the scripture teaches.

And you brought up, of course, one powerful but common sense point. Paul, when he's speaking about the rapture, he says not just once but twice, encourage one another with these words, with these words that what? That you're going to be raptured prior to this time when God pours out his wrath on this planet for seven years nonstop. That's good news.

That does comfort us. But when you take a look at the events of the seven-year tribulation, first half, second half, it doesn't matter. It's all bad. Now, granted, the second half, called the Great Tribulation, is worse.

But this is the game that people play today that's unfortunate. They want to downplay this first half dealing with the seal judgments as if, well, you know, it's really not that bad. Or they even want to try to say, if you can believe this, that the first half of the seven-year tribulation, the seals, is not even the wrath of God. That no, no, no, no, it's just the wrath of man or even the wrath of Satan.

And the reason why they do that is because they have a conundrum. The Bible is very clear. This is why the rapture is so comforting. God, Romans chapter five, First Thessalonians one and First Thessalonians five, right before and right after First Thessalonians four, the rapture passage, God reiterates, we are saved from, we are rescued from, we are not appointed unto his wrath. How can these people put the church in that time? What's so comforting about that?

That's the game that they play, right? Try to say that this is not the wrath of God. When you read the Bible, and certainly even the first half of the seals, there is no way in the world, if you're honest with the text, that you can make that statement.

It is so blatantly, not just ludicrous, it's completely unbiblical. Well, Billy, that's because the lamb is unleashing the lamb, of course, is Jesus Christ. The lamb is unleashing this terrible wrath. I just want to explain to my audience what the seals are. There are some listening who are having the slightest idea what the seals are all about. The seals are one of the series of end time judgments from God. The seals are described in Revelation six and eight in John's vision, the seals hold closed a scroll in heaven. And as each seal is broken, a new judgment is unleashed on the earth following the seal judgments are trumpet judgments and bowl or vial judgments and the lamb begins to open the seals revelation six, Billy, the lamb is Jesus Christ.

Yeah. And again, I don't know how you get around that. I understand why they're trying to do what they're doing, squeeze the church in there, I disagree with it.

But they do that in order to try to justify that error. They have to remove this being the wrath of God. But again, as you brought up, Jan, every one of these seals again, this is the first half, you got the seal judgments, then the trumpet judgments, and then the bowl judgments. And then at the end, you have the second coming of Jesus Christ. So the seals again, are the first of the three major judgments from God.

This is the first half. And what's it say there? It says from the very get go, verse one, Revelation six, where they seal start, right? It says, I watched as the lamb, we all know who the lamb is, you don't have to pray and fast 15 years and go to some secret conference to figure it out. It's obvious it's Jesus, it says, I watched as the lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Not only that, you look at the second seal, verse three, it says it again, when the lamb opened the second seal, verse five, when the lamb opened the third seal, verse seven, when the lamb opened the fourth seal, and then verse nine, it switches to and when he opened the fifth seal, contextually still the lamb, Jesus. And then verse 12, I watched as he, Jesus, the lamb opened the sixth seal. Then in eight, one, it says when he again, the lamb opened the seventh seal. Seven for seven, every single one is opened up by the lamb. It did not say, and I watched as man opened the first of the seven seals. It did not say, I watched and Satan unleashed the seals.

No, it's the lamb, all coming from God. Billy Crone, I do want to play the trailer because again, we're carrying the set of, I believe it's 10 teachings in the set of seal teachings, correct, Pastor Billy Crone? Yeah, it's 10 DVDs for a total of 21 hours.

21 hours. And I want to play the trailer. Now let me just clarify that featured in the, I'm not playing it folks because I'm in it, but I'm commentating in the set of DVDs here, the seals.

Pastor JD Farag is interviewed, Dave Reagan, Nathan Jones, and then there's a lot of teaching in between some of the commentary. Let's just play that little trailer. What do you think the state of the world is going to be in right after the rapture? Well, with the restrainer gone, I think it's going to be, we think we have anarchy now and chaos now. We haven't seen anything yet going to be lawlessness, anarchy, chaos.

I think some people who are going to have heard the gospel and even have heard about the rapture are going to say to themselves, and I wish I had listened something. This reminds me of something I was told that could happen, but I think things are going to start to, I think the stock market will crash. I think there'll be just general chaos. And I think it will be setting the stage for a man with a plan on Mr. Fix-It. Well, words like astonishment, fear, despair, terror, anguish, I think are going to be representative of how people are feeling. I think it's going to be the greatest calamity since Noah's flood. I think there'll be martial law everywhere. I think people will be asking for an explanation. Right after the rapture, it's going to be a time, I believe, of a pseudo-peace, likely very short-lived, but there will be this false peace under the banner of this quest, this insatiable quest for peace and security.

However, it will be, again, very short-lived, and it will be followed by unthinkable and unspeakable destruction and death. Again, you can find the product in my store,, This would be a great product for a small group, adult Sunday school class.

You can give my office a call. It's also going to be in my print and e-newsletters. And I'm talking to Pastor Billy Crone for the hour, Jan Markell, your host here. Billy Crone, I just want to talk about the seals for a minute, because the first seal introduces the Antichrist, Revelation 6. He rides a white horse, which speaks of peace.

The pretense is he will bring peace to the world. The second seal, great warfare breaks out in the earth. Third seal, black horse, is going to bring famine. Fourth seal, fourth seal is open.

John sees a pale horse. Its rider was named Deaf in Hades, was following close behind him. The result of this fourth seal is that one-fourth of the earth's population are killed. A fifth seal, a scroll's fifth seal, reveals that those who will be martyred for their faith in Christ during the tribulation. Billy Crone, that's not the church.

The church, again, you've clarified and I try to as often as church is gone. It's in heaven, but people are coming to faith during the tribulation. Yeah, we know that the Bible is clear that people can get saved in the seven-year tribulation, as well as God reserves a one-third remnant of the Jewish people, because he's not done with them, obviously, the Scripture teaches.

But these are the people who made the unfortunate mistake. Instead of getting saved now and avoiding the whole mess, now praise God for his mercy, amidst his judgment, you can still get saved, but you're going to basically pay with it with your life. In fact, the Scripture even talks about the time that people beheaded.

It's just a horrible, gruesome scene, frankly. But again, this even goes back. You talk about the church. This cannot be the church. We know it cannot be the church, because this whole period of the seven-year tribulation, the seals of the first half of it, goes back to the book of Daniel. And the book of Daniel is where we even get a seven-year tribulation in the first place. It's the final week of Daniel's 70th week prophecy. And when you look at the context there in the book of Daniel, which is where the truth of the seven-year tribulation, this final week begins, you see that the church is never mentioned once in Daniel chapter 9.

Why? Because it has nothing to do with the church. In fact, do the math, the church at the time when Daniel wrote the book of Daniel, the church wasn't even in existence until 570 years after the book of Daniel was written. And then on top of that, the New Testament clearly tells us that the church was a mystery, and that the Old Testament writers, including Daniel, had no knowledge of the church. And when you look at the context of the book of Daniel, dealing with this final week, the seven-year tribulation, it was written by a Jewish man with a Jewish name for Jewish people, for a Jewish time, not the church. And that's why it's called a time of Jacob's trouble, not the church's trouble.

The tribulation is for the salvation of the nation of Israel. Billy Crowe and I just want to reference some more of the seals, because they're ominous, and we have unbelievers listening. Time's running out, folks. If you're not a believer, time's running out. Sixth seal, when the Lamb of God opens the sixth seal, a devastating earthquake occurs, causing massive upheaval and terrible devastation. All of this is in this wonderful set of DVDs that we're carrying, produced by Get-A-Life Media,

Find lots of other products there. This is where the sun turns black, the moon turns blood red, and the heavens recede like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island removed from its place. Survivors of the sixth seal, regardless of their social position, take refuge in caves and cry out to the mountains and to the rocks, fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.

There we have it again. This is the wrath of the Lamb of God. And the seventh seal, Billy, talk to us about the seventh seal. Well, the seventh seal is basically, it says there, when the seventh seal was opened up, it said that there was silence in heaven for a half hour, and you're going, like, man, what's that all about?

Silence, when we did the study, Jan, as you know, is silence, of course, gives you the idea that something foreboding is coming. And that's certainly what we see here in the timing, because this is towards the end of the first half of the seven-year tribulation, and you put it in its context with the seal judgments you got, right? People rejected Jesus Christ.

They accepted the Antichrist. Then a global war breaks out on the planet, and literally not just armies, but people begin to slay each other. It's horrible. Then another act of judgment comes from God, and here comes this global famine.

And when you do the study, even in recent history, which we brought out, famine is not just, it gets so bad that your skin turns black and all that stuff, but people resort to cannibalism. It's going to be horrible. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, and by the way, remember, the Church is gone during these judgments, and if people will do these atrocious things now, while the Church is still here, imagine when the Church, the restraining influence is gone. It's going to be infinitely worse. So that comes along. Then comes the fourth seal. And again, the fourth seal, it tells us that a fourth of the planet is annihilated. Now, do the math on that.

What's that? That's nearly two billion people. Then we have the fifth seal we talked about. You got the martyrs, and they're going to be slaughtered for this. Then here comes the sixth seal, right? And literally, God starts slamming, not just earthquake, the impression you get there is the whole universe shakes, which of course causes the earth to shake, which causes the asteroids to come down. And then on top of all that, people still reject God.

And then here comes the seventh seal, and God says, oh boy. But Pastor Billy Crone, hold on just a second, because what we're talking about and what you're just outlining here, this does not fit into, I'm going to be blunt folks, this does not fit into the church growth movement, because it's perceived as doom and gloom. But again, if you've got the Church going through this, indeed it is doom and gloom, but the Church doesn't go through this. It's clear the whole pre-trib rapture, even though that's under great attack these days. But you would have to agree with me, Pastor Billy Crone, that this does not fit into any church growth movement, because what you're talking about is kind of scary. Well, it is scary if you're not saved.

If you're not. Well, or if you believe in a mid-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib rapture. Right, which again, unfortunately, is I think completely unbiblical and sad, but it's also an abuse of the scripture, where again, as you rightly stated at the beginning, that the truth of the rapture is something that is to encourage us, not once, but twice.

And we're just talking very briefly, there's much more detail, of just the first half of these seals. I don't know about you, Jan, but a global war in the Middle East, I don't know about you, Jan, but a global war, 2 billion people dying, asteroids slamming to the earth, massive earthquakes, global death and famine, that don't sound like it's a good time to me. That doesn't encourage me. So these other positions cannot be true, and they're not. But again, they want to downplay this first half, or say this first half isn't as bad, or even go so far as to say it's not coming from God, i.e. His wrath, it's from man or Satan. You can't derive that from the text. Well, here's part of what's happening, I think.

I'm talking to Pastor Billy and he's pastor of Sunrise Bible Church, Las Vegas, Nevada, and we've carried a lot of his products in the past, and we're carrying the many DVDs set, it's 10 DVDs, it's 21 messages, The Seals, a panoramic view of the first half of the seven-year tribulation, and he's got several featured in it, yours truly, Dr. Dave Reagan, Pastor JD Farag, Nathan Jones. I think where some people are coming from, Billy Crone, is Christians are suffering today, and they're suffering unspeakably, and we've got some in the Middle East under persecution of ISIS and others, other terrorists around the world. Why would Western Christians be exempt from suffering?

They're suffering in Africa, they're suffering in China, they're suffering in North Korea, etc. It doesn't seem fair. Well, again, for somebody to make the charge that somehow God is being unfair is an attack on the holy character of God.

I don't recommend that, number one. Number two, the seven-year tribulation, again, is not a time of just continued suffering. The Bible is clear that even now in the church age as Christians, especially if you live for Christ, no matter what part of the world, and it's increasing even here in America, that when you live for Christ, you will be hated, you will be persecuted. So God never says that we're not going to endure suffering. Rather, the seven-year tribulation is a time when God pours out his wrath. God's wrath versus general suffering is two different things.

Okay, that's a good clarification. Right, and that's why the Scripture says, yes, you might have to suffer now for being a Christian, right? But you will never, that's the promise, you are rescued from, you are not appointed unto, and you are saved from. Romans 1, 1 Thessalonians 1, 1 Thessalonians 5, you are saved from God's wrath. The church, the bride of Christ, has been rescued from that, and that encourages us.

And then again, you say, well, why is that better? Well, again, when you take a look at the events in the seven-year tribulation, you see that this is, quote-unquote, not just normal suffering. This is, in fact, the wrath of God, because these things that take place are on a planet-wide scale, on a massive scale, to where even the universe shakes that causes the earth to shake, which causes two billion people to die. That's not normal suffering.

Why? Because it's the wrath of God, and that's what we've been saved from. And what we have going on right now, folks, certainly is the wrath of man, the wrath of Satan. We certainly see that playing out.

I just referenced it. A lot of Christians suffering various places, that is the wrath of man. Pastor Billy Crone, we do have a lot of voices that would want to debate us, that do believe that the church is going to go through part or all of this.

I mean, some of these, at least there are some who seem to be uncertain. I've talked to Joel Richardson about it. He feels strongly that the church will go through this. Jacob Press, Joe Schimmel. Jim Baker is trying to outfit us all with survival food, because we're going to go through it.

Marv Rosenthal, Irv Baxter, Michael Snyder. These are just some. And then we have, when it comes to end-time theology that I think is confusing people, we've got Hank Hanegraaff, who believes that it all happened.

We missed it. It all happened in 70 AD. He believes in Preterism. Folks, you can research that. He would believe that the destruction of Jerusalem was the tribulation, that Nero was the Antichrist. So all I'm saying is there's a multitude of belief systems out there. You need to do some of your own homework and do some of your own research. But a good place to start, I think, to get a good panorama of what we believe the church is going to avoid, it would be this DVD set that we're carrying on the seals, a panoramic view of the first half of the seven-year tribulation.

You can find it in my store, You can learn a lot more about Pastor Billy Crone and his ministry at I'm coming back in just a couple of minutes. We're going to continue on. We're actually morphing here shortly into another topic.

We recently had Pope Francis and a very prominent Muslim imam meet together in the United Arab Emirates. And Billy Crone and I believe there are shades of an approaching, well, a one-world religion on the horizon. We don't know when. I think it could be soon.

How do some current events, including what I just referenced, fit into all of this? We'll do that in just a minute. Don't go away. You can call us to order any product at 763-559-4444.

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Well, with the Restrainer gone, I think it's going to be... We think we have anarchy now and chaos now. We haven't seen anything yet. Just what are the seals of revelation? We are carrying a 10-DVD set, 20-part study produced by Pastor Billy Crone on the seals. This documentary takes you on an in-depth journey through the first half of the tribulation from which the church is absent. Featured in the production are Jan Markell, Dr. Dave Reagan, Pastor J.D.

Farag, and Nathan Jones. Find it in our webstore,, or by calling us at 763-559-4444, at 763-559-4444. It will also be available in our print and e-newsletter.

The cost is $45 plus $6 shipping in the U.S. The Seals, a panoramic view of the first half of the tribulation, 20-part study, with the ideal for your small group or adult Sunday school class. Check it out today. There were snake worshipers, fire worshipers, spiritists, animists, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, North American witch doctors. And the guy reporting this says, I watched in astonishment as they walked to the microphone to pray. And the Pope said they were all praying to the same God and that their prayers were creating a spiritual energy that would bring about a new climate of peace. Jan and Pastor Billy Crone begin their discussion on the coming global religion in our second segment today. Who will be cunning enough to unite all the world's religions under one banner? Will they have a unified theology? Pastor Crone believes even the Jews will want to be part of this.

Let's return to Pastor Billy Crone of Sunrise Bible Church in Las Vegas and Jan Markell. How anybody can sit there and say that the church is going to be in this first half in the sealed judgment is beyond me. It's not just ludicrous, I'll use this word, blasphemous. Because when you look at the scripture, God repeatedly says He is the one who is dishing out all these judgments in the first half, the sealed judgments. And it's clearly His wrath. His wrath is not in just the second half, His wrath is from the moment the Antichrist makes that covenant with Israel, Daniel 9-27, Revelation 6-1, the first seal, the white horse rider.

From that moment forward, it is nonstop God's wrath. Okay, welcome back. We're talking for at least the early part of the program here. I'm talking with Pastor Billy Crone.

We're talking about his new production. Actually, it's not real new, but we've carried it here now just for a few weeks, the seals. It's a 10 DVD set, 21 teachings on the seals, first half of the tribulation. And part of our discussion is that so many people seem to think, including some prophecy teachers, quite a few, that the opening part of the tribulation, you know what, it's not that bad. We probably can even kind of sail through it, and therefore the church must be there. The point is, the minute the Antichrist gets control, all hell breaks loose.

I'm sorry. And we've talked a little bit here about some of the seals, the various seal judgments found in Revelation 6, Revelation 8. Billy, you were spending some time on the seventh seal, the silence in heaven, for about a half an hour. Let me just ask you a question here, which we really don't know, but I mean, if in fact there's silence in heaven because of what's happening on earth, then do you think in heaven we know this is playing out on earth?

I wouldn't want to. Well, even if we are, we know that it's going to be in a different, if you will, emotional state. When we are raptured, i.e. when we go to heaven, we lose this in nature. We have to remember that our existence in there is going to be in a state without sin where it says, you know, there's no more tear, no more mourning, no more crying in that kind of existence.

So even if we do see these events, it's going to be with a different mindset. But what's interesting about that opening of the seventh seal and that silence, you know, silence, why silence? Well, first of all, when you understand the context of what's been going on in heaven in the book of Revelation, they're rejoicing, they're shouting, there's all kinds of hallelujah, hallelujah, you know, praising to God and glory to God and all of a sudden heaven just goes. My understanding, what I believe what's going on here, certainly contextually and also in the timing, is it reminds me of when I grew up in the Midwest in Kansas. And of course, being in the Midwest, one of the things you deal with is a tornado, multiple tornadoes. One thing about tornadoes, I remember running down to the cellar with the family. And you knew that the tornado was getting close because all of a sudden, right before it totally unleashed in its fury, it got completely silent. I mean, there was not a bird chirping. You couldn't hear the crickets, nothing.

It was just this ominous silence. And then here it come. It's like a train rolling. And then it just breaks on loose.

I really think, certainly in the context and the timing here, that's what's going on here is it's basically, again, what's the context? The whole first half, you reject Jesus, you accept the Antichrist, you are under God's wrath in His judgment. Here goes this global war. Here goes this global famine. Here goes this global martyrdom. And you kill God's people.

Okay. And He's going to unleash some vengeance on you. Then before that, again, the fourth seal, you had one fourth of the earth annihilated, nearly 2 billion people. Then God shakes the universe, which shakes the earth. Here comes a massive earthquake. The sun turns black, the moon, blood, red stars, asteroids fall from the sky. The sky splits apart.

Every mountain and island removed from the places. Then you even acknowledge that this is the wrath of God and has been going on this whole time. You finally get around to doing that, but you still reject God's mercy. You try to hide out. You ask, you would rather commit suicide than receive God's mercy.

You ask the mountains and the rocks to fall on you. And so basically after all that, and you still won't turn to God, silence. Yeah.

Okay. Basically, because what comes forth now is you thought the first half was bad. Oh, and it was bad, but you ain't seen nothing yet. You're right. Because then we head into the second half. You're right.

Exactly. And that's what I think that silence symbolizes is something ominous is coming your way. In other words, second half, far, far worse than the first half, which is why, again, why there are some who teach that the church goes through a portion of the tribulation. Maybe the part that's not so bad, even our point here for the last many minutes has been that there's no good time in this tribulation period.

In other words, come to faith now so that you can avoid all of this, that's things to come. Learn a lot more about this in this presentation, the seals, and you can find it again, You can find lots of products, books, DVDs, online messages by Pastor Billy Crone at You sent me a fascinating link this morning that I want to watch some more of, Pastor Crone.

There's just so much good information at Billy Crone, in the interest of time, I hope we sounded a warning, and we need to close the program, and when we do close it, Billy Crone, offer an opportunity for folks to escape the wrath to come here. You and I talked about another topic here recently that I want to spend some time on it because, folks, a few weeks ago, Pope Francis went to the United Arab Emirates for an ecumenical meeting. Now, it's just one of many, and quite frankly, Pope Francis is nearly obsessed with faith coming together. I had to ask the question, is Pope Francis or is any pope the biblical false prophet?

I mentioned this to Pastor Crone here this week, and he said to me, well, if he isn't, he's working hard to earn that position. We talked about it, and quite frankly, for decades, various popes have been working to get all faiths under their umbrella. Pope John Paul welcomed Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims to worship together. He suggested all of them worship the same God, and what I want to do is, I just want to play a short clip, and then I want to play off of this clip about this meeting that happened in the United Arab Emirates, and the very last sentence of this short clip says that interfaithism is Pope Francis's number one priority, and then I want to play off that for the balance of the program. By inviting Pope Francis to the Arabian Peninsula, the UAE is hoping to send a message to the rest of the Arab world that religious tolerance and freedom is the future.

It's a call to get on the right side of history. His visit to the Arabian Peninsula is the first ever for a pontiff, and it was here in the birthplace of Islam. He entered the stadium to tens of thousands chanting his name. Speaking the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the cradle of Islam, Pope Francis became the first sitting pontiff in history to visit the Arabian Peninsula and hold a mass. The pontiff also met the grand imam of Egypt's Al-Azam mosque, the highest authority in Sunni Islam. The meeting saw the two and other religious representatives sign a document promoting interfaith dialogue, religious freedom and peace. Francis met religious leaders in the United Arab Emirates.

They included Sunni Muslim leader Sheikh Ahmed Al-Tayeb. They looked at how they can foster peace between their faiths. This message is for the Muslims in the east.

You must embrace your Christian brothers. They are partners in our nation and our siblings, whom the Holy Quran deems as close fellows. A historic event. For the first time ever, a Catholic pope delivers mass on the Arabian Peninsula.

More than 130,000 people gathered inside and out the Zaid Sports City Stadium in the United Arab Emirates. He has a special charisma which appeals to each one of them. Everybody is actually mesmerized by his appeal for peace and tolerance. It is the first time that a pope has ever visited the Muslim majority kingdom.

Guards on horseback escorted Francis to the crown prince of Abu Dhabi's palace while military aircraft flew over trailing yellow and white smoke, the colors of the Holy See flag. In terms of the document that's been signed with the imam, I mean clearly this is the pope trying to bring some kind of tolerance between the religions to try to reduce the tension that clearly exists in this part of the world. Absolutely and I think it's very important to keep in mind that since becoming a pope he has made several international visits but out of that 13 visits have been to Muslim majority world and he has made interfaith and inter-religious dialogue his top priority. You're listening to Understanding the Times radio.

I'm Jan Markell. I have on the line from Las Vegas Pastor Billy Crone, Sunrise Bible Church in Las Vegas. Pastor Billy Crone the last statement there interfaithism is his top priority but one other thing I want to highlight and I want your feedback and comment because in that clip and I watched many clips number one there were 130,000 at least in this stadium but everyone was mesmerized and plenty of those were Muslims. Muslims were excited about the pope. Yeah well again the key words there they're buzzwords by the way this is my old stomping grounds the push for a one-world religion because that's what's going on here. This is what I used to promote back before I was saved and I was involved in new age and it's the same old buzzwords right now they're not going to come out and say hey we're creating a one-world religion because that's too obvious right but they have code words right and the code words are interfaith interfaithism inter-religious dialogue coexistence and this need for tolerance and if you look at that report and certainly in print of what the pope just did with this declaration with the Muslim community it's all full of the same buzzwords to promote coexistence to confront extremism again with hundreds of quote religious leaders being present the award was given to this Muslim imam by the pope for his defense of tolerance the rejection of radical extremism the pursuit of peace among humanity and basically you need to filter through all that basically is the pope likes this guy because this guy is helping the pope create what the pope wants and that's a one-world religion that's all that's going on here even the Muslims and now as radical as that sounds we know that that's going to come to the planet revelation 17 is one text that talks about this mystery Babylon this great mother Babylon the great the mother prostitutes this one world religion and you take a look at the context there the bible says in the seven-year tribulation this global harlot this religious entity is not only going to control the religions of the world and it says that they're ruling over the kings of the earth but it says there that she rides the beast the anti-christ initially in order for that passage to be fulfilled right we need to see some sort of global religious identity working with the governments around the world trying to not only control the religions but the government and when you understand what the Vatican is doing not just right now but has been doing for decades folks that's exactly what's happening the Vatican is pushing for a one-world religion and this is nothing new it's not anything new you're absolutely right and Billy Crone you said to me that you felt that the stepping down of pope benedict was actually a little bit suspicious and maybe he wasn't keeping up with this agenda quite quickly enough and they knew pope Francis would well and that's my personal theory when you take a look at it because when you take a look at the previous pope pope john paul ii and uh man he was one of the biggest promoters for a one-world religion and of course the whole key is yeah it's a one-world religion just make sure that the Vatican is at the top right but he was a big promoter and then here comes he passes away and then they get this next guy benedict and he didn't seem to move at such rapid pace right he was still involved with some ecumenical stuff but nothing on the scale of his predecessor well then all of a sudden usually you got to wait for those guys to die this guy gets ousted out bang here comes pope Francis and if you're paying attention pope Francis not just with what just happened with this uh mom that we're talking about man from the moment he gets into office there so to speak he is going crazy he picks up right where pope john paul ii left off and creating a one-world religion in fact real quick jen let me just give you this is a report of just one time of the behavior of pope john paul ii and what was going on the Vatican that most people don't know it says is the Vatican and the roman catholic church pope john paul ii at the time is currently leading the greatest ecumenical movement in history in order to unite all religion under rome's leadership this was 1986 folks he gathered there in assisi italy the leaders of the world's major religions to come and quote pray for peace listen to this there were snake worshippers fire worshipers spiritists animus buddhists muslims hindus north american witch doctors and the guy reporting this says i watched in astonishment as they walked to the microphone to pray and the pope said they were all praying to the same god and that their prayers were creating a spiritual energy that would bring about a new climate of peace then pope john paul ii allowed his good friend quote unquote the dali llama to put the buddha on the altar in saint peter's church in assisi and with his monks to have a buddhist worship ceremony there while shintoists chanted and rang their bells outside and he says and i agree the prophesied world religion is in the process of being formed before our very eyes and the Vatican is the headquarters for the movement folks that was back in 1986 they had never stopped that agenda and i believe again they are working towards that fulfillment of what we know beyond a shadow of a doubt is going to appear in the seven-year tribulation and we're going to see that all the religions are going to come under one umbrella and it wouldn't surprise me if in fact it's the Vatican okay you and i both believe a couple of points here that a pope could be the false prophet spoken of in revelation who would be the sidekick to the anti-christ of course the anti-christ is going to turn on this false prophet and and bump him off eventually but another point i want to make talking to pastor billy crowe in sunrise bible church las vegas you and i today we're not picking on catholics we would love to see them come to embrace a faith based on faith and not works and so we're not necessarily trying to be bashing catholics this hour but we are concerned about their soul correct exactly jan and again what's happened today is the buzzword for one world religion again is this term called tolerance now tolerance unbeknownst to people has been changed they've actually even changed in the dictionaries i believe and the tolerance that you and i were brought up upon was basically you know we put up with somebody else's beliefs but maybe we don't disagree but we kind of put up with them obviously we're not advocating to get rid of them stuff of that nature that was the normal definition of tolerance the traditional term the new definition of tolerance when it's used in the media in the print today is you have to accept everybody else's claims a belief even religious beliefs values truths lifestyle as equal to your own from the heart and if you don't that's the new definition of somebody being intolerant and a bigot and that's what most people don't realize we say well of course it's going to be tolerant but they've changed the terminology on us okay and we're not being intolerant rather we are doing what jesus said to do we are proclaiming the truth and jesus is very clear about the truth when it comes to should you work together and say that all religions basically get you to heaven which is what a one world religion entity is trying to get us to believe no why because we're being intolerant and bigots no because jesus said he laid the gauntlet down not me john 14 6 he said i am the way the life the truth no one comes to the father except by me he did not say i'm one of a way or a truth right that you can follow and make up and no he didn't say that he laid the gauntlet down and if in fact jesus is the only way and that's what the scripture teaches and that's obviously what i believe then that means any other way is not the truth which means those other ways don't lead you to the father they lead you to hell and so therefore by upholding the standard from jesus that he's the only way to heaven which is good news we have to in love challenge these people that what you're believing is not just wrong it comes with dangerous consequences and that's an act of love but it's so twisted today that that greatest act of biblical love letting people know how to get to heaven only through jesus is now equated as something that's being intolerant and bigoted and let me add this one thing even their definition their false definition jan of intolerant intolerance they don't even follow it themselves because their new definition states that you have to accept everybody's values beliefs claims and lifestyles as truth as equal to your own right well do they accept my belief that jesus is the only way uh-huh and so actually they're guilty of being intolerant by their own definition of intolerance it's hypocrisy here's where i want to go i've got a closing segment and i want to talk a little bit about the fact that you feel that perhaps a pope pope francis would like to see a crisis created between jews and muslims and the pope would then step in because billy crone feels that he wants to get the jews to come under his umbrella now are jewish people going to come under a pope's umbrella well i think the jewish people could come under a false prophet's umbrella during the tribulation because a lot of strange things are going to be happening remember even the antichrist is going to allow the jews to rebuild their temple in jerusalem during the early part of the tribulation he is going to turn on them he's going to go into that temple he's going to turn on them he's going to become well he's just going to become the real antichrist that he he fooled them in the early stages of the tribulation he's going to show his true colors and so is the false prophet of course as i said earlier the false prophet's going to be bumped off we're going to come back to this in just a minute don't go away we hope we are raising some thoughtful and even provocative questions this hour about last day's issues we welcome feedback at olive tree views dot org that's olive tree views dot o-r-g we get our mail at olive tree ministries box 1452 maple grove minnesota five five three one one that's box one four five two papal grove minnesota five five three one one you can call us at seven six three five five nine four four four at seven six three five five nine forty four forty four in a world that is unstable and unreliable thank you for trusting this ministry and this radio program why not save the date of saturday 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community yes to get them into the one religion but also to do the dirty work for them as they can hide behind the scenes to create the crisis you need to get control of jerusalem and help control and create this global religion we now return to jan markell and pastor billy crone who wrap up an hour-long discussion on issues related to the book of revelation while many run from this book jan and pastor crone see it as a cherished book with a message that is both encouraging and alarming alarming only for those who do not know jesus christ as lord and savior if that were true okay then and god's totally done with israelites they're condemned and as they would say cursed by god because they rejected jesus then how in the world do you explain their supernatural survival over 2 000 years with even people even recently like hill are trying to annihilate them and that's just the tip of the iceberg you look throughout history everybody's been always after the jews even the catholic church the crusades right just on and on it wasn't just hitler how do they survive i got a theory and it goes like this god's not done with them and so he's keeping the remnant throughout the generations right and then how do you explain how even recently they appeared not just back in the land but they became a nation again in our lifetime after being gone and decimated dispersed around the planet for 1900 years i got a theory it goes like this because god's not done with them because he's the covenant keeping god praise god amen and he's got some things in his contract that he's yet to fulfill welcome back i'm wrapping up an hour with billy crone you can learn more at get a life media dot com he's pastor of sunrise bible church las vegas and i put a huge stamp of approval on lots of his products books dvds and more and we're carrying the new set of 10 dvds 21 messages on the seals a panoramic view of the first half of the seven year tribulation speaking into that production yours truly pastor 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trying to make it easier for muslims to come under his covering that's why i played that almost three minute clip in the last segment that talked about his meeting in the united arab emirates this is several weeks ago now it was an astonishing meeting even though it's nothing new there's been lots of efforts at interfaithism over the years going back going back hundreds of years really but certainly to the 80s pastor crone talk to me a little bit about why you think that he would like to get the jews to come under his umbrella and he has his sights that is pope francis on jerusalem well again janet it makes no sense until you obviously get into the scripture and realize what is the ultimate plan the ultimate plan is there's going to arise a one-world religion on the planet in the seven-year tribulation and again i believe the evidence points towards the vatican so that's the plan well all religions mean all religions and that includes not just the muslims but the jewish people and you're going well jewish people aren't ever going to go along with this all religions lead the same way well twofold number one unfortunately there are signs that some of the jewish rabbis and leaders are falling for this which isn't too surprising because the bible talks about currently romans chapter 11 that the jewish people are under a temporary blindness or temporary hardness so they're not seeing strength they're not in a good spiritual state now their eyes get open in the seven-year tribulation but it comes at a rough price but you see some of that blindness going on i.e some of the jewish people are falling for this global religion now let me give you one quick quote this is from rabbi yonah metzger and listen you tell me if he would go along with the pope he says quote we need a united relations of religions which would contain representatives of the world's religions as opposed to nations a church a mosque a synagogue or a holy temple must be embassies of god and we have to spread this idea to our believers he's basically calling like we have the united nations that's supposed to be governing the governments around the world he's calling for a same entity except this one's called the united relations of religions gee whiz guess who gets to be at the top you're back at the vatican so i think some jewish people are unfortunately falling for it however you know there's going to be a lot of people who aren't going to go along with this and if in fact one of your goals too is to grab control of jerusalem and help this to become a headquarters for the three monotheistic religions judaism islam and catholicism then man how are you going to arrest control of jerusalem from the jewish people well it's the old axiom that's been used throughout history you create a crisis you can manage the outcome and this to me helps explain why the pope is doing what he's doing in the muslim community not only to push for a one-world religion but he needs somebody to arrest control of jerusalem and i think he's just it's a smokescreen he's using the muslim community to do the dirty work for him and not only do we see that with this declaration in dubai that recently happened but it wasn't that long ago that pope francis was meeting with the palestinian president abbas and he didn't just meet with him but he said this is from pope francis about abbas who by the way wants to annihilate the jewish people that's easy to prove in print okay in media he said this pope francis said this he says i thought of you abbas you are an angel of peace wow that's in print i got the video yep it couldn't be more off base exactly so you're sitting there going first of all these guys aren't dumb they know what they're doing why are you chumming up these guys who want to annihilate the jewish people ah i got a theory and it goes like this see if the jewish people don't voluntarily go along with your one world religion and give you control of jerusalem on top of other things like this rabbi quoted apparently is going to go along with then create a crisis and you manage the outcome then side up with the muslims and get them on your side and of course we know that they want to annihilate the jewish people and so it's going to create this constant constant never ending stop of fighting and and unfortunate deaths and and all this over these quote religious differences and it's just never stops and and it just gets so out of hand it gets so violent and and then all of a sudden guess who could step in and be the good guy who could step in this religious conflict that's just getting so heated especially in jerusalem who could step in and bring peace well voila there you have your excuse for the vatican to do that and i really think that when you take a look at the evidence you look at the overall arching plans to create a global religion but you also want to get your hands on jerusalem why is the pope chumming up the muslim community yes to get them into the one world religion but also to do the dirty work for them as they can hide behind the scenes to create the crisis you need to get control of jerusalem and help control and create this global religion i was intrigued i made reference to it earlier in the hour and that is watching a lot of clips on that meeting with the pope and uae this is several weeks ago now how the muslims were spellbound by him and some of them came out and said everything he says it's just they just loved him they had all sorts of glowing words this these are muslims folks who of course muslims have some affection for mary may not be quite the perception of how a catholic might view mary but they seem to esteem mary but i was i was astounded billy crone about how these muslims were speaking about the pope they loved him they truly loved him yeah well and i think that there's a dichotomy going on that people don't realize and this came to me many years ago and part of it is because i used to be on that side of the camp of a one world religion at new age before i got saved what i really think is going on and think about this logically and biblically jam if you're going to create this is my theory if you're going to create a one world religion that says all religions lead the same way and believe the same thing basically is the premise then you got a problem you got three monotheistic religions on the planet that by nature are being monotheistic one who will reject it 100 of time and of course you got christianity then you got islam the muslims and then you got the jewish people well what's happening in the muslim community is if you could draw a circle draw a line right down the middle of it they're being split in two now the muslims that are real muslims that are following the quran which i don't recommend but they're being true to quote their religious book and they're the ones who will never go along with this now what you're seeing is in the media and even as the words i quoted earlier from this meeting with the pope in dubai those guys are now even though they're true muslims they are being called religious extremists okay they are violent terrorists and we need to deal with those people and they're calling them not the real muslims they're the fake muslims now at the same time you got what's called moderate muslims which is basically their version of what we would call liberal christianity which is not real christianity it's just all fluff but they have that category too now it's those people who will go along with the one world religion and these are the people i believe that the pope is striking to deal with right but what are you going to do with that other half of the circle the pie well you need to get rid of those people now what people don't realize is that same terminology is being used on you and i the evangelical christian we are being called the right wing fundamentalist extremist terrorists right we are intolerant we are biggest we have the audacity like those other bad muslims who have the audacity to say that their way is the only way and so don't think that we wouldn't be next on the chopping block so basically you have to have muslim islam going into a one world religion but you can't truly get rid of it so what you do is you create a dichotomy take the true and claim that they're fake and get rid of them you take the fake claim that they're true and they'll go along with it and that's what's going on and of course the last people to go along with that monotheistic idea is judaism and you see the same split you see in those that are staying true but you see those like the one i mentioned they're going to go along with it and i really think it's all the preparation for creating this global religion that the vatican is the headquarters of we spent the first part of the program pastor billy crone find more information at get a life about the terrible time of the seals which is really only the first half of the tribulation we never got to the last half we can do that some other time we'd like to encourage folks to avoid that particular encounter called the first half the tribulation how do they do that well number one they need to make sure that they're saved and the bible is very clear as we mentioned jesus is the only way there's not some other way it's not jesus and jesus or jesus but it's jesus and the scripture is clear that if you would confess with your mouth that jesus is lord believe in your heart that god raised him from the grave you will be saved that you acknowledge that god is holy that we are not the wages of our sin is death we deserve to be separated from god forever in a place called hell but jesus took the death penalty in your place i.e he died on the cross and that work his work on the cross is what you're believing and trusting god is sufficient for the forgiveness of all your sins where god will adopt you into his forever family he will make you his child and you will at that point you will be saved from rescued from and not appointed unto his wrath do that today before it's too late thank you pastor billy crowe i want to go out of the program i say this a few times a year i love this little saying when the time was right the sea parted the walls fell down the lions went hungry the sun stood still the waves were calm the stone was rolled away the clouds were parted and the lord ascended and when the time is right the king of kings will return god's never early he's never late he's always right on time and his plan for you is good i want to thank you for listening folks we're going to talk to you again next week we encourage you to consider purchasing the set of 10 dvds with 21 teachings presented by pastor billy crone on the seals of revelation find the product in our online bookstore or call us at 763-559-4444 that's 763-559-4444 the retail cost is forty five dollars plus six dollars shipping you can write to olive tree ministries box 1452 papal grove minnesota 55311 that's 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