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November 9, 2019 7:00 am
Illusion means that those who are deceived even though they are deceived in the midst of chaos, certainty and sense of not knowing where we are in the world of volatility going on the world is crying out later and the devil is about one of the antichrist will come to understanding the times radio Jan Markel clutching each week by all of three ministries we featured yesterday. Both deal with deception in the church issues. This author Jeff Kinley. Yes, we have ascending dark illusion, but it is predicted for a last day scenario, the Bible refers to this theme more than almost any other here is Jan Markel we see declining spirituality. In America we see decaying morality in America.
Then we turn our eyes towards the church and what we see happening in the church and among evangelicalism today is that many evangelicals are now beginning to believe things about God that are not true.
In fact, a recent poll said that 57% of evangelicals believe there's more than one way to get into heaven. When you think will cut how the world can the people in the church believe this type of thing. What were saying is were beginning to see this falling away with with celebrity pastors with famous authors with celebrity bloggers that are writing things that are beginning to deny that some of the core doctrines of the Christian faith. Welcome to the program. You know, we look at news views truths from a decidedly biblical perspective, and in this segment of today's programming I'm going back now again to Terry James newest book dissenters analyzing converging prophetic signs for the end of days I'm going to talk just a moment to one of the contributors Jeff Kinley you've heard them on understanding the times radio before and we carried some of his books and Jeff's title in the book is descending dark illusion descending dark delusion. Yes, that sounds a bit ominous and quite frankly I think some of the substance is a bit ominous and in the last days. A world delusion will come upon the earth and those who are deceived won't even be aware that they are deceived. The nature of deception is that you don't know you're being deceived.
Does that sound familiar today. So with the church still present on earth as it is in as we are pre-rapture. We put a lid on some of the delusion that we can see it growing on a daily basis and you have seminary students in New York, praying, and confessing sins to plants you know society is in a state of very very strong delusion, Jeff Kinley, welcome back to the program directly with you always. Deception issues are very near and dear to your heart mind to for that matter, the rampant apostasy today in so many churches. How would you contrast the deception now in the church age with the deception that will be raining during the tribulation under the antichrist and take your time to clarify this.
Please a great question about colonial chapter 2 that there is coming a grand deception at a global delusion fall on the planet variously help all the maps without and he begins by saying that there's going to be the man of sin being revealed during the tribulation. It says in verse not a chapter to the that of the one whose coming is in accordance with the activity of Satan with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all deception of wickedness, so we know that Satan is going to present his man to the world in a deceptive fashion.
Of course, we note the father why the king of deception and he's going to use the find wonders consult miracles and in fact the entire tribulation is going to be a resurgence of the supernatural. Once again, we really don't see these types of things happening in the church age right now but there's going to be a rebirth of the supernatural and is gonna come through God. But it's also going to come through Satan as well. And then that deception is going to lead what the Bible called a deluding influence and interestingly the Bible so that it God to send a deluding influence upon the earth so that they might believe what it falls. But tell us why you.that Janet says in order that they may all be judged who did not believe the truth but took pleasure in wickedness. So really the domino effect of the chain effect we see here is that rejection of Christ. Now leads to deception now to deception later and ultimately to a complete delusion work as you mentioned even know that they don't know whether under this blindness. That's why they readily just believe whatever Satan tell them and I think we see that happening right now is were ramping up to Revelation. The whole world is falling under the beginnings of this delusion depersonalize that for a moment here to Kinley. We recently in my hometown here Minneapolis prison term came for a campaign speech some weeks ago now you talk about lawlessness, delusion, and in the spirit of the antichrist was present on the outside, not in the building and the building where he was speaking was very orderly and I'm told it was just a wonderful, encouraging anything but the point is the spirit of the antichrist was outside aid because the lawlessness the anarchy literally came to my hometown, the violence, the rioting, the out-of-control behavior would seem to be the order of the day, and those people were deluded and they don't know their deceived. I don't believe they'd know I don't. And it really began with culturing up all outline for some Romans while we basically extracted God from the equation and shove him out of our lifestyle and of our government are very education of everything then these things follow godlessness. We have to come up with new ideas about how we came to be. We invent evolution and then it goes on to affect humanity I think were saying that type of deception and all the gender confusion going on in our world today. People are growing up and not so much that they don't know what they're supposed to be that they are whether they are a man or woman in a court of the world is just life. This whole idea of transgender. This thinking that you're something else altered reality itself somehow course, we know from sound reasoning and logic and common sense in the Bible but that's not true that we look at the world. How are you people with glassy eyed look believing all these lies that the trickery and the schemes of the devil and he is at work because he knows his time is short so when the church is gone.
Let's clarify lead to gross confusion, delusion, even right now in the church age.
But when the church is gone there will be no one to speak up for sanity for common sense for righteous issues. Again we get to the issues of the tribulation cursed church not they are so can be little bit difficult. I hope in heaven. Quite frankly, Jeff. I hope in heaven. We don't even know what's going on down here, but with the church gone. Can you imagine no one to speak up for anything that makes sense literally on imagine, unimaginable, and even your list. Right now, you picture in your mind a time when there is not a single believer in Jesus Christ on this entire planet, at least for a time and what depth of the Boyd going to be there at that time.
In terms of morality as you said and just know God consciousness. There's going to be massive chaos and catastrophe. Much like the days of Noah simply be that whole idea and I tell Christians all the time that you don't realize the difference that we make on this planet just by being here just by having the presence of the bride of Christ on the planet and yet still we have this tsunami of sin and evil that's coming into our land all over the globe. At the same time when we're gone. Nothing is left to stop bringing it back to the church for a few minutes of discussion, if there's delusion going on today. Some of it is coming out of our church is thankfully not all of them.
I always like to clarify that because there are so many pastors who are trying to hold the truth in frankly there are many who aren't holding to truth. Did you think that you would see let's just confined to the church for a few minutes here that's to say the delusion that is prominent today. Get this bad, this fast know it's amazing phenomenon that will witnessing right now Jan that were saying the spirit of the age infiltrate the church exactly what Paul warned against this whole idea of all roads lead to God truth is subjective, that morality is malleable that the Bible really just have a general guidebook kind of thing and were saying that in the church, to the point to where in the church now were developing our theology, our beliefs about God exactly the same way that the world is developing their beliefs about who they are.
In other words how I feel.
It's what makes me happy if it exalts will give me a sense of self empowerment. Then I'll embrace that even at the Bible.
That's not true. And so the same spirit out there in the world we find in the church and that's why. Quite frankly, the church is really asleep because there's so much biblical illiteracy in the church right now.
The people of even know where to go to find out what the truth is, of course, if you have pastors who are systematically teaching through the Bible and deepening the root systems of these believers. The gym were just left of the wind. As Paul says in Ephesians chapter 4 windblown back-and-forth with no believe we just Play will I believe in truth, becomes what is truth to you at the worst thing that happened in the church right now. That's quite frankly water church of the mistake she just joined me. You're listening to understanding the times radio talking to author just Kinley playing off of Terry James's newest book titled dissenters analyzing converging prophetic signs for the end of days just Kinley's chapter title is descending dark delusion.
I want to play a quick clip here and its pastor Barry Stagner and I'm playing it just because he's giving a message titled, well, it's a message on this delusion of our day and I think it complements our discussion throughout the world today that is in law with unrighteousness and protecting, promoting and even defending Ellison. The word translated delusion from the Greek comedic fraud or fraudulent site can also be deceit or error do we live in a time will be lots of questions and by the way we live in a time where fraudulence is rampant. We live in an age filled with deception and error with limited time for most people will not receive the love of the truth that they might be. Say yes.
Therefore, I submit to you that the world is prime and ready for. And here's our title. The strong delusion, the strong delusion is not only happening in our day. But it's going to reach its zenith under the rule of the antichrist.
Okay, that is pastor Barry Stagner County Chapel, Tustin, California, and I think the purpose of the segment that were doing today with Jeff Kinley is number one what's going on in the world today is setting the stage for what's coming, we see answer to the lawlessness, anarchy, receive deception, delusion in the world and in the church and work focusing a little bit in the church, at least for the first part of the segment Jeff let me move ahead here just a little bit were talking about some of the church is and the questions in the emails I get in I think you get them to is what can I do my pastors not preaching. Let's say the truth. I've visited many churches in my area, at least, all those that are options for me to attend and then I think the greater question, let me get to that in just a minute as of Wednesday time to leave my church. The first where they do, the pulpit is not preaching the truth approach the leadership of the church. What if the leadership just blows them off at a time and basically there crying out for help.
I call this group the remnant and not exclusive group but there really is a remnant of believers proved they won't stand for Christ in the marketplace.
They want to know what to believe. They want to know how to defend their faith and their crying out for people to teach them and quite frankly this is happening all over the world. These email that I guess. But here's what I say to the number one is that you have to be willing to be a change agent. If God has you therefore purpose. In other words, appeal first to your pastor. Go to your pastor meet with him. Tell him your concerns don't threaten him. Don't attack him, but merely sure your heart your passion your burden for the church of the word of God. You want to give him some good solid material. Some books that he might be interested in. Pastors are typically readers and so that's a great way to reach out to connect him to some other godly Bible teaching pastors and say I check out the guys ministry might be an encouragement to you so that the first thing I would say would be to appeal to him and effectively. If you run into a stone wall there.
Then ask yourself this question before you leave the church cannot work within the system. Other work. Is there a ministry structure set up with my church where I can teach a Sunday school class or leave a Bible study or small group work, even volunteer in some different ministries in the church were I can have a sphere of influence for the gospel for the word of God, and I know quite frankly Jim a lot of people who have a little more tolerance level than I do, who been able to stay in certain combinational churches where denominationally they may not be as Orthodox as they once were, but these people are themselves the missionaries to the church and I take a certain type of person to do that, but I believe it can happen and nothing that I told Janet you can start your own ministry you can have your own small group Bible study at home you can have an online presence for the Lord you can partner with like-minded ministries like Dollar Tree ministry like my ministry like others that you have in your program. Pray for them, support them financially help them spread the word attend their events and conferences and know that you're not alone. Knowing this thing believers all over the world have this concern for the church and yet make it to the point where it becomes a conscience issue for you to stay week by week by week under un-biblical communication in teaching and that type of thing. I think there does come a time when you have to say you know what I'm going to have to leave my church so that I can go into ministry that I can find somewhere teaches me to work on your church for a little while might be somebody online hopefully not for long. But you need to continue to search for that person who faithfully preaches the word of God, and I do hear from see hundreds and hundreds who are now attending church online for various reasons. Again, they may have visited every option in their hometown. Maybe that's three, four, five, 10 but they tried them all to now they are online. Just Kinley what's the best website for you Jeff Emily.com very simple Jeff Kinley.com and that's key Iannelli why Jeff Kinley.com obviously or whatever you just say and what you just said is there does come a time when it may be time to leave the church because of the topic that were talking about for the segment strong delusion has entered in centered in society is entered in just about everywhere entertainment now is entered into the church. It is time, perhaps, to leave one of the white help someone discern whether or not it happening in their churches. Survey of for the spirit of the church. The personality of the church. If the church simply there to help you. Have a happy life to help you get your problems just teach you how to be a parent about how to coordinate really teaching you what God says about why is the pastor opening the Bible are people around you opening their Bible always studying the Bible we just think versus on-screen are we really engaging corporately, the voice of God from the Scripture. And I think that's one thing that's missing today because quite frankly Jim what pastors are doing is there in an effort to try important quote reach their communities there dumbing down the gospel to the point where if you come to church and you become a Christian will why are you even changing your life at all because your life remains the same and he just tells you how to have all the self-help programs in your life coming out here about the gospel will ship tell me how to be a more holy person tell me how to be a godly parent or godly husband and yet were not thing that allow churches of some people get to the point were they thinking what I got to have me I'm just tired of being spoonfed or chewing up the food ahead of time for me. I want to challenge my Christian life.
So there comes a time when you separate but enough is enough going to have to go outside or to another place to find a spiritual nourishment and listen. In the end. Each believer stands before God answer for that.
So we have to make decisions for families and you get everything you want in every church, but you have to make a hard decision that the teaching of the word of God with love and truth that the church are looking for to just Kinley for the segment and he does have a chapter in Terry James new book to Cerner's chapter is titled descending dark delusion and yes, I just want to head down little different path here, but it's in your chapter, you say that divine judgment is on America, in part due to the celebration. I mean, let's be blunt here, of all things aberrant. You're even wondering what's coming next.
I think were all wondering what's coming next.
To begin, be celebrating pedophilia. Next, in the Western world and then you talk about abandonment wrath of Romans 128 and you feel that has fallen on America now wanted to expound on that for just a moment absolutely brilliantly under the spiritual life without parole is just a pattern and process of God, abandonment, wrath, and we think God judged America is a judging American we think about cataclysmic events that I think are really his wrath is on us right now because of the fact that look through Romans one, you see that we rejected God's creator, substituting him as creator with other ideas of the theories Scripture says because of that you think you're really wise, but you're nothing more than morons. The Greek word there any proceed with three abandonment judgments three. Handing over of humanity and of a culture and Janet based on our rejection of God.
We turn we begin to pursue our own degrading passions. We see the sexual revolution. Romans one. The homosexual revolution and then in the end God just as you know what I'm done and he hands over culture to let the tsunami of sin continue to break those barriers and it says that people get to the point where they become haters of God in your singular culture right now that anytime you stand up for truth or just stand up for just common sense, morality, people will hate you with vitriol, hatred, just something as simple as AAA being closed on staining for traditional marriage me they have suffered so much from the goblets left just because of that simple view but it goes much further than that whole point is there is a judicial handing over in the Greek goddesses.
I will give you two slavery to yourself and I'll let you be in those chains so people happier. Jeff can America be saved not tell him look. Here's the thing, don't trust that our political leaders to save America. The only saving of Americans can be Jesus Christ through the church and the gospel being presented. But we have to know that once we are under this abandonment wrath.
We have a country might not be saved by very church and that American can be sites.
We need to focus in on being the light of the gospel in our communities and telling the truth even though quite frankly is going to cost you raise is gonna cost your promotion cost to maybe get accepted to that school. It may get you kicked out of school. But we have to stand for the truth and I think in that fish and were very much like those early first century Christians living under a pagan Roman government. While there may be some things right now that are in our favor. In this current administration. Make no mistake about it.
The culture is still built. So how does the church then cope in the midst of abandonment wrath. The result of this is this descending dark delusion, which is the title of your chapter but the church somehow has to cope if in fact were in abandonment wrath. We may be. I think for not were going to be there pretty darn fast was to church to do about that. Just be salt and light and delay the decay we are delaying the ultimate decay always put out very clearly porous and prescriptive.
Chapter 1, when he says when I came to you wasn't in this persuasive speech, but was in the power of the Holy Spirit towards Paul when he preached and establish these churches that I want to be grounded in the word of God which should be close to one another and I want to be a light in your community and really the way that happens today Janet that we as the church's persecution begins to continually encroach upon the church find yourself press them together as true believers and the false believers will be weeded out there going to leave because of persecution like Mark forces in the parable of the sower and the soil. We have believers I got to bond together with drawer strength one another. We have to encourage one another all Morrissey Bridgeton, for as we see the day approaching something that's one of things we have to do is to come together to encourage one another to make sure we individually are grounded in the word of God and then we stand strong and we take what the world sends to us because we will go through tribulation, but not the elation that is coming and Jesus says, take courage, I have overcome the world and know that we can overcome sin in this culture, we have to be together. They together and we have to penetrate the gospel into society.
You can sign Terry James book to Cerner's in my online store trees use.org. Please use.org complete title is dissenters analyzing converging prophetic signs for the end of days and I'd like to take. Probably one minute and like to read something just came online Hal Lindsay wrote it nouns both late great planet affected me as a young person cannot set me on the right course in life to be real blunt. Hal writes this is just in the last few days. Much of the world right now. Confusion and delusion rain and then he says I mean deep basic levels of confusion. Perhaps the most obvious would be the millions are confused about their sexual identity. The science of gender no longer hold it's not a question of XX or XY chromosomes, or any of the obvious scientific differences between male and female. It's all about feelings and those feelings have been purposely confused by educators, entertainers, advertisers and others, and then he says at school, young people are propagandized to believe Islam is a religion of love and Christianity is a religion of hate schools now openly teach kids to judge others according to race virtue has become something you signal to others, not righteousness or moral excellence. Children are subjected to drag queen story.
Our local libraries and it's even celebrated in national television commercials.
I'll read one more paragraph. Good is called evil and evil is called good followers of Jesus are increasingly seen as dangerous a major presidential candidate recently called for churches to either come into alignment with his moral beliefs or lose their tax-exempt status. Franklin Graham said that as a result of such pressure. There will be a lot of Christians who unfortunately will bow down and give in and many already have Jeff Kinley you actually have a book coming out in the spring. Give me the title of that forthcoming book interview with you. I'm very intrigued with it and you and I talked about it off here and I'm down here just to a couple of minutes, but I want to ask a question were diverting here just a little bit you feel he could be waiting in the wings, and my take on this is that every generation has had a candidate for the antichrist waiting in the wings.
What is your thought topic your spot on impact because Satan is not privy to God's timetable on the rapture that he has to have a candidate ready and being groomed and every generation.
I think he did that during World War II is done in the past as well is the same sort of looks out candidates from time to time. But as we look at different leaders. There have been visible so modestly that we do not think that some have been visible. We sing out the five and antichrist like character over here in a different fashion, as we see it described in Scripture. So yes, I think that right now the antichrist be alive. Absolutely you know why because the rapture could happen today. That's what I was just looking to blame here this morning and it showed all of the countries in the world where there currently is not just sort of dissension going on to meet literal rioting to the point of bloodshed and loss of life because of anarchy, lawlessness, rioting. I open the program talking about what happened in my hometown of Minneapolis a few weeks ago, Pres. Trump was here.
My only point is, he could just see this and sense the spirit of the antichrist. Just about in every country of the world. Some places far worse than it is with the Middle East look at parts of Africa but more and more.
It's the Western world's American Europe that appointed in the midst of chaos and uncertainty and just sense of not knowing where we are in the world of volatility going on the world is crying out for a Savior's and the devil is about to give them one in the antichrist really the point of my book is describing what that might look like from Scripture is coming out in the spring. Folks will talk more about that at that time.
In the meantime we've been talking about Jeff Kinley's chapter in the discerner's book, the title is descending dark delusion and you can find that in my bookstore online. You can call us. You can sign up for my newsletters will have the book promoted an opportunity to purchase it in my E newsletter print newsletter, etc. and you can learn a lot more about email@example.com Jeff Kinley.com Jeff, thanks for all you do. We will stay in touch and I'm anxious to get a hold of your book next spring and will talk about it then look toward what you're going all right by now back in just a couple of minutes don't go away. We appreciate through our website. All of the trees use.org that's all of three views.overarching call is central time. 763-559-4444 763-559-4444 rightists of Box 1452, Grove, MN 55311 Xbox 1452 Grove, MN 55311. Thank you for supporting this radio outreach almost 850 radio stations. Your tax-deductible gifts for which I Markel Times 2019 joy where you from Downingtown, Pennsylvania from Chicago wherefrom still billions of Africa, Orlando, Florida, Nevada, the great state of Texas. I'm with Deb and Ginger and they have made this a girls day out. Have we been coming for about 20 years is your first time here is my second how many conferences have you been to 3459 this office trip to Minneapolis and strange enough.
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The people become borrow the become wildly become unrestrained to get out of control and what I would suggest you as the world has ignored God the get farther out of control. But as we ignore the word of God.
The church itself loses loses this.
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All of three views of Lord one place.com we can tap into their mobile app and on our YouTube channel under John Markel and Olive tree ministries insert images and video into our radio YouTube for those who are visually gory return to John Markel changes topics for the rest, and welcome back want to just say a word or two here about our conference back in late September. Remember, you really need to look into the DVDs or CDs JD for Dr. Robert Jefferson Mears certifying pastor Jackie Ives. Yours truly, Lori Cardoza, more, you can get a complete set of DVDs for $35 +6 shipping in the US $30 for CDs +6 shipping in the US or order online. If you're from out of the country. Beautiful gift because there professionally package high definition and I think you'll really enjoy them. My an excellent gift for those you love. Need to move on. Here I will say, by the way we set a date for 2020, September 26, 2020 will give you more information later because I want to move into the closing segment of the program today and I'm staying a little bit in the genre of delusion some doctrine that is troubling and quite frankly like to consider some doctrine that has grabbed headlines, shall I say in 2019 might call it some dangerous doctrinal trends in the church and start to with what happened in the Evangelical Free Church. The dropped the requirement of premillennialism that goes back to June 19, 2019 VE Free Church of America voted to remove the word premillennial from their statement of faith. They replace the word with glorious return. Anticipating the glorious return rather than the premillennial return of our Lord Jesus. Quite frankly, I was a member of the E free for 10 years, solid prophecy, teaching church in the Minneapolis area was a bit shocked when this happened back in June. I'm assuming that not every E free leader or pastor was happy with that vote back on June 19. What are the consequences when something like this happens so I invited in studio with me. A local pastor. He happens to be on my advisory board? Henry, pastor of any Free Church Brooklyn Parkey free they changed the name to revive church in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota Northwest suburbs of the Twin Cities pastor Mark welcome back to the studio just great to be with you today. What are the consequences of something like this. Removing the word premillennial inserting the word glorious return. I'm glad it's at least glorious return. There are still some consequences. Yeah, gentlemen say this by way of introduction new to the E free family. We been part of the family for about four years.
It's a great family. There's lots of really good godly guys. I love the number of the key leaders and supplies will say that right up front. I was heartbroken when I joined the E free took this pastorate and heard that this was coming because implications are huge. As we remove that premillennial statement, it opens the door for the E free family to go ahead and embrace by conscience. The individual pastor or church millennialism post millennialism variations of those once that happens in the area of hermeneutics. We don't take some of these passages in a literal fashion. For example, Abraham a covenant in the literal fashion with real land and ethnic Israel has a future and Jesus coming for a thousand years.
Revelation 21. Set hermeneutical issue happens there's long-term effects. Those things really scary. Premillennialism is the belief that Jesus returns to earth at the end of the seven year tribulation establishes a 1000 year rule based in Jerusalem with the restore Israel. This millennial reign of Jesus occurs before the eternal state.
Revelation 2122 eternal state be the new heavens and the new earth. They just refer to an online writer who's written about this. I respect Jonathan Brenner. He says I believe the members voting in favor of removing premillennial from their statement of beliefs made the decision on the basis of some false assumption number one premillennialism is not any central doctrine.
Number two millennialism beliefs are biblically sound and number three millennialism does not lead to a further erosion of the faith. Let's talk for a minute millennialism. This is very problematic, at least to you and to me and onto a lot of my listeners millennialism does not take things literally it would compromise Israel's end time role certainly is inviting replacement theology, the church is the new Israel. As you said, there are some other issues. There is post millennialism is this going to invite Prater resemble all prophecies, history public kingdom now dominion is, these are some of the other theologies that now can creep in to a denomination that I have loved for so many years yet and that's the door which opened the door. The implications become huge if you look historically at those who have embraced reformed theology. Not only is there a mitigation of the promises of God in the Scriptures. That's significant enough in and of itself, but then you start thinking about how they relate to Israel. For example Presbyterian Church USA United Methodist church has been part of the divestment of Israelite working to see with this Pandora box opening that happening in the evangelical world in a way we haven't seen what we've historically been pro Israel expecting God to do something great there.
Israel is back in the land by the Robinson goodness of God were to see the erosion of that you know some gentlemen in the Evangelical Free Church of America who are premillennial, yet voted for this. Yeah, the day the boat took place. I wasn't on the floor by purpose not to be there because I knew it was in a past and I didn't want to be there or be heartbroken. 79% of those there in company voted in favor of it. Let me just say this 21% said no and I think that's significant significant statement. I don't know what that means is there going to be a new denominational group started from them. Some are talking about that. I do know that there are different men that I'm aware of and E free movement who are premillennial, but because they see this as a secondary issue. They said we want to open the door here on this. I talked at length with a number of them trying to convince them otherwise.
But I'm told that the founders of the E free going all the way back to 1950 felt that premillennial was essential. You and I do as well, as you just said there were pre-male pastors who voted in favor of this. Let me just read something out of Christianity today here in this is quoting Evangelical free Church in America and they say in this article we say that we major on the majors and minor on the minors.
This is from an internal documents of the Evangelical Free Church.
The denomination noted that they did not take a stance on the reformed versus Arminian view of conversion, the age of the earth.
Infant versus adult baptism and whether the gifts of the spirit had ceased or were still active in light of that, again, this is a free, we believe there is a significant inconsistency in continuing to include premillennialism as a required theological position when it is clear that the nature of the millennium is one of those doctrines over which theologians equally knowledgeable, equally committed to the Bible and equally evangelical have disagreed through the history of the church. This is evangelical free church in America and then they say premillennialism is clearly a minority position among evangelical believers, is that true, you know, Jim. I think that probably is true in the current environment America. I think it wasn't true necessarily among evangelicals. Not again. The question is how to determine evangelical yes again was her defining terms definitely in Christendom through history, but now that's some who actually believe in Jesus and some have religiosity, the millennial use probably been the major view held doesn't mean it's right we can get people back to the Bible reference. The Bible says God says to Abraham, I will give you and your descendents of this land. That means he's gonna resurrect Abraham at this point because we know from acts chapter 7 verse for the Abraham did not receive one square foot, so he can be resurrected. He's gonna be in the land.
Jesus can rule and reign in Jerusalem that hasn't happened. You can't spiritualize it is clear in Scripture, nihilism would spiritualize it. The optional mill would spiritualize absolutely millennialism there's two different views and millennialism I basically would say there is no millennium when Christ comes in his reign is inaugurated. We replaced Israel all the blessings are in the church all that spiritualized my friends.
The Scripture is clear Jesus is in a rule and reign in Jerusalem for a thousand years. Stick with the Bible.
Okay, your denomination, at least 70% voted to leave premillennialism 70 97 almost 80% now Jenna would say this.
Our church has not changed the doctrinal statement we are not to be changing the doctrinal statement and there are a lot of E free churches that are not to be change the doctor thank you for clarifying. So I want your listeners to understand that that's good. Let's move on to another theology that has surfaced heavily in the last year. It's not new, but it's let's just say, raising its head, and I'm in a call in an ugly head is matter-of-fact and that is something that is known as critical race theory damages kinda summarize it.
Apparently Southern Baptist seminary is deeply into this we have to D center whiteness. We must read books from other cultures, preferably the black culture they recommend that you read two books by a non-Anglo person for every one book by a white person. The church must get elders who are nonwhite. Everything is racial reconciliation and in play clip Pastor Mark Henry and he is my guest for this segment and he is a local pastor in the Minneapolis area revive church in Brooklyn Park. You can learn firstname.lastname@example.org and want to play a clip from the Provost of the Southern Baptist seminary in Louisville.
His name is Matthew Hall and he explains just what this critical race theory is.
He definitely is expressing his own white guilt. I went through pretty good college education. Good seminary education to two masters degrees that a large evangelical seminary and really was never confronted honestly. Maybe I was and I just missed it but I don't recall being confronted with categories of questions of race, justice and reconciliation, including in history classes. So when I went off to do my graduate work in a secular state University and was there confronted with those categories, but without any gospel without any Christian categories. I had to really trust connect the dots. I went off to my State University experience for grad school and started reading things in American history that frankly never been had the be exposed to before. I was all these expresses that I started looking in my past. In the rearview mirror and realizing man the way I interpreted that the way navigator that in my community was very much a racialized lens does a sky blue up my whole world is race biology with ideology currency power it has to do with status. I am a racist is that freaks you out with.
If you think the worst thing somebody can call you is a racist, then you're not thinking biblically because guess what, I'm the struggle with racism and white supremacy until the day I die and get my glorified body in a completely renewed and sanctified by because I am immersed in a culture where I benefit from racism all the time you save just as racial justice and white folks get very nervous and said okay. Both of the church and culture, but I think you cannot have a conversation about racial reconciliation, both within the local church or certainly in our United States context is justice. Racism is actually the whole system built upon allocating privileges power opportunities in ways on the basis of race is well once you realize that think I hold onto any particular racist ideology that I think better than people. But I do with the lights come, you racism is actually what just you guys so were not as racial certainly not seen the evaporation of racism states you think about work of the dominant fusions of American evangelicals. What NAD the national Association of Evangelicals Billy Graham and everything surrounding his ministry.
A lot of it is very much tied to whiteness and frankly if you get really passionate about life you give a rip about life in the hood or life in the suburbs for life wherever then you have that was Matthew Hall Provost Southern Baptist seminary, Kentucky talking about critical race theory? Henry think he just called me a racist. And maybe everybody else sitting in the pews and that we are white supremacists. I've been in church a lot of years since I was 14 years old. I've not met a white supremacist. To my knowledge, you actually what they're saying is that the whole culture of America is racist. So if you can think back racism. We think of slavery i.e. the Civil War and then we think about Jim Crow laws is because the next thing and this is the next few if you will of its all society is guilty in all of the laws and everything is bent that direction.
Not generally say this, you and I believe what it says in Revelation chapter 20 the Jesus of saving people from every tribe, tongue, and nation in the gonna be in heaven.
You and I believe the Gospels for every single person and what I want to suggest to her listeners is two things. Number one is the first to plead his case seems right proverb says, unless someone starts to ask questions and there's a very important verse in Proverbs 1412 where it says there's a way which seems right to a man, but the endless direction. Our world is self-destructing and Dr. Hall said it right there in the clip he went to a secular institution to the world sees this theory now brings it back to the church and we are talking about the world solution for reconciliation. This is so dangerous is why it's dangerous is the church, the body of Christ. The Bible, the living God is the one who cares about reconciliation. Jesus Christ came in the world so we could reconciled to God and reconciled one to another theology that brings us together theology of the Lord Jesus Christ. The truth of the Scriptures and Jim let me just quickly run through a couple things I had for listeners. One is you got understand that every person whatever the tone of their skin is we are made in the image of God.
Genesis 126 the embargo date. That's the reason children who are black or white or any other color there valuable to God.
Jesus loves the little children and that's the reason why the embargo date were family were rooted right there and then you think about Noah were all descendents of Noah were all family again.
We think about the 10 Commandments, the 10 Commandments express the responsibility every person has before God, and we find everybody in the family is sinful and therefore everyone needs one person Jesus Jesus, that no man shall come to the father but through me. He says, and so doesn't matter again your color what your passports as a what continent you're from Jan I preached on multiple continents I've been all over Africa.
I preached 5 million people in Africa, the gospel of Jesus Christ restarted over hundred churches. There are some people say I can't speak into this subject because of my background. I would simply say this. The Bible says that Jesus is the one that tears down the barriers between races unites us in Christ. Galatians chapter 3.
There is neither bond nor slave rich or free Jew or Gentile in Christ Jesus. Jesus is the great reconciler, and when people who are white know Jesus and embrace following heaven and blackening every color we come together in the body of Christ. Jesus is ours.
Why anything else. This is mushrooming situation. I would beg our friends not to look to the world for the solution but the living God.
We talk critical race theory we can morph into another issue that has absolutely exploded in the pulpits today. I'm getting emails all the time we've given up the gospel of salvation for the gospel of social justice. Social justice is the new mantra in the evangelical churches always been in the religious left, Jim Wallace, Tony Campolo, the Pied Piper is of religious left social justice, and they've tried to shame everyone else for not being as enthusiastic about social justice as they are. So now this is kind of the new mantra in the evangelical church. I'm sure you have encountered this with your pastor Associates yeah Jan and you know the words themselves. All of us are for social justice by just the very words themselves what we want liberty and justice for all. It's right there with with the Scripture say. Mica says that we are supposed to do good love, mercy and justice.
But here's the problem. Social justice, by definition, is about social engineering and that social engineering. The question is who determines what is just that I think is a couple key verses that all of us need to keep in mind God is the only one that is just all of us are sinners. God is justice with the Scriptures teach over and over and over again. I didn't look it up but I would venture to say well over 100 times. God is called just throughout the Scriptures and were told. Secondly, is that God who knows right and wrong, who teaches his people justice. Proverbs chapter 2 it says that he is the one who imparts understanding and what justice is engenders a verse I think that is just absolutely critical.
When this comes up that all of us need to remember it says this in Scripture Proverbs 28 five evil men do not understand justice, let me say it again. Jan evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the Lord understand all things.
So were talking about social justice again when we look to the world.
The world doesn't even know what justice is. It can't because it is no right and wrong and you can't know right and wrong until you know the God who knows right and wrong is of the God who knows right and wrong is totally just tells us with right and wrong so that we can even discern what is right and wrong goes right back to what we said earlier, there's a way which seems right to a man, but the and is destruction you're listening to understanding the times radio and Jan Markel looking at Sam's church issues for the entire hour and for the second segment of my programming. I invited Pastor Mark Henry and he's on my advisory board, pastor of any free church. It's now called revived church in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, revived.org and Pastor Mark your services are 910 11 AM in Brooklyn Park. Yes that's right.
Check them out and you post all your messages online. I am aware of that actually participated folks don't pass out when you hear he had a prophecy conference couple of years ago participated in that with pastor Tom Hughes at Pastor Mark's church's such churches do exist. Yes, there in the minority, but they do exist.
So were considering some troubling church trends has we can wind down 2019, we opened up talking about the decision of the Evangelical free Church in America to abandon the millennialism in their statement of faith that has consequences.
I think some of you may not think so we moved on to this critical race theory talking about social justice here? We move on to something that is the passion of yours and that is that our pulpits today.
Some of them are not calling.
Sin is sin exactly a year ago, almost to the day you and I sat in the studio and we taped a program on how the churches today are handling the homosexual issue. I think you had some pushback from that I did as well and I think the question is are we going to keep moving the envelope when it comes to these kinds of issues.
Any we can be accepting pedophilia next to me. I don't know where you think this is going hence is a burden you have because I know we talked about it for.
I think a full hour last year. Yet this site is going to continue to deconstruct the question is whether or not the church will go along with that or will the church be holy, for I am holy and we come back to the 10 Commandments is not just sexuality all that some massive part of the sins of Israel. They abandon the 10 Commandments and they got involved in all sorts of things includes so much. I mainly think about think men things do with theology. It has do with adoration, reverence, time, authority, life sexuality, property, tongue contentment, and all those things start to come in and here's what I see happening Jan we are living in a day when the church is not reading the Bible, we have more Bibles than ever were reading the Bible less and as we make the mantra maybe social justice or something else instead of Jesus instead of thus says the Lord were seen the wheels fall off in so many ways. Listen to this verse Proverbs 2918 where there is no vision says the people perish. That's the King James translation what that verse actually means the Hebrew word vision where there is no vision, means the word of Revelation, where there is no revelation from God that people become borrow the become wildly become unrestrained they get out of control and what I would suggest you as the world has ignored God they get farther out of control. But as we ignore the word of God. The church itself loses its mooring, it loses its rootedness in Christ and we are suffering from that, we gotta go back to the Bible window back to the Bible. Listen to the Lord Jesus and follow him with all your heart, soul and mind. Probably one more issue them to touch on before a time is up, looking just at some troubling trends when it comes to theology in the 2019. This really isn't a theology Mark Henry but that's the trend anyway and that is the church is really being asked to consider the issue of immigration led as many immigrants and is possible in one of the problems with this is when the church aligns with the various immigration agencies, particularly if it's a federal or state agency. They have to sign on the dotted line there be no witnessing whatsoever to any of these immigrants arrived at entire programs on that you cannot share the gospel with, particularly those from the Middle East. You cannot share the gospel with them. Do you feel that the church should even be taking a position on this immigration issue. That's front and center now. I mean, we've got people trying to cross our southern border and minute by minute basis. Where's the church to be with us, so Jim I would suggest the Christians the priority on this whole immigration thing is we to be about sharing Jesus with the people God brings in our path whether that's here there are anywhere but I would suggest that Christians need understand the role of government.
The role of government was to protect those that they govern, and even the Constitution. If you think about it limits the federal government to security trade.
The areas of justice. Justice for all is a priority currency but in the area of security, securing the borders and I know there's lots of different views on this. I've traveled the world and preach the gospel around the world every country have gone into they stop me at the border. They read my passport to ask what I'm doing. They drill me right there is countries. I can even get into sometimes friends security is with the federal government should be doing for every nation, not just ours.
I was just stop at the Canadian border this last week I had a lengthy conversation with the border patrol there trying to get into Canada. He was doing his job he was doing the right thing.
If you look back in history. That's what governments to the Great Wall of China. Some of us have visited that that was to keep the mongrels from coming down and attacking the Chinese people Hadrian's Wall in England keeping the Scots from attacking the Roman Empire. So unlike the Roman Empire. I understand that. But the point was, as they built those walls for security.
Israel builds walls for security. Every country has levels of walls for security.
America just like every country's going to need to manage that for the safety and well-being of the populace. I understand the motivation by many of my Christian friends who want to do something good. Here's the problem. We don't want to social gospel, we want to Jesus God Jesus gospel affects the heart, soul and mind, the eternal destiny and it will affect their well-being. The physical well-being's of people but it's not the primary message and just like you just said is the church becomes involved in these various political things. We give up Jesus stands for political activism, and I would suggest to you that the average Christian hasn't read the Bible enough to realize that there's three different brackets of authority that God created for society work is treated. The home is a structure for husband wife and children. There's the structure of the church in the spiritual realm.
There's a structure of government. The purpose of the government is the punishment of evildoers in the praise who do right, how I know that as I read the Bible Romans chapter 13 first Peter chapter 2 when we start trying to get the government to do something other than that it becomes oppressive. Ultimately, in the people I would encourage Christians today get back with the gospel realize that issues are going to come up in the government all sorts of different ways.
The Constitution specifically limits government for your well-being for our well-being for our pursuit of life, liberty and happiness actually Mark Henry thank you for coming in. I appreciate it so much she can learn more at reviver orchids formerly performed parking free will revive church northwest suburb of Minneapolis.
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