Two years have passed since the terrible Hamas attacks of october seventh, twenty twenty three. The hostages have finally been released. Is this the beginning of peace in the Middle East? We'll discuss it. Can you imagine?
The moments are visceral. Family members receiving their hostage loved ones into their arms after two years of terror group Hamas holding them in captivity. 20 living hostages released as part of the first phase of a U.S.-brokered peace deal. Welcome to Understanding the Times Radio with Pastor Josh Schwartz and Ken Michael. Radio for the runmant.
Brought to you by Olive Tree Ministries. The ministry founded by Jan Markell. In our program, Pastor Josh and Ken talk to David Tal of the Balogan Connection. Praise God for the secure delivery of the living hostages. In the extended version, Pastor Josh and Ken talk to Olivier Melnick about his new book, Anti-Semitism in the End Times.
You can find the extended version on our website, olivetreeviews.org. or on our YouTube and Rumble channels. This morning, the world witnessing extraordinary scenes in Israel. The first images of those 20 Israeli hostages turned over as family members cried and crowds by the tens of thousands erupted in applause. And there were cheers for President Trump.
Touching down today in Israel to announce to the world the hostages have been released and continue his push for a path towards peace. This is the historic dawn of. A new Middle East. Welcome to Understanding the Times. I'm Ken Michael, along with my co-host, Pastor Josh Schwartz.
while the hostages have been released and are back home with their loved ones. And here to discuss that today is our guest we like to welcome back from the Balagon Connection, David Tull. David, thank you so much for joining us.
Well It's amazing to be here and it's Amazing to get the word out from The ground here in Israel, and thank you for having me. Yeah, we're so appreciative of that.
So, David, we've seen in the clips of all of the hostages being returned, heartwarming video of these. I know I was brought to tears watching this. Just you're in Israel right now, so just give us an overall feeling and temperature of what's going on there. What is the What are the people saying? What are people in the government saying about this?
Um In in a nutshell, there is um A sigh of relief. The whole country is actually going through this stage of Ah, it's over. They're back. And uh we the The news, the people, the the People on the balcony over there. Everybody at Neutro was watching the news.
Sharing the information about the parents getting ready, about Uh the people lining the streets with the flags. Hashtag Square was something like fifty thousand people, I mean watching it all together. The release of the hostages was. Personal issue. for the whole country and I think that's that's kind of fascinating.
It is. David, earlier this week, you put out a video kind of walking through step by step as these events were taking place, this hostage release. And you brought a human element to it that maybe us in the West are so disconnected with. These are real men that were really held captive for two years and are now really alive and back with their families. Can you help us understand the depth of that and the glory to God for that?
Israel's a tiny little country. I mean, we're nine million people. We're the size of a major city in the United States. Everybody knows somebody. who knows a hostage.
Everybody knows somebody who fell in this war. A quick reminder. Two hundred and fifty hostages. Since the whole thing started. But we've lost nine hundred soldiers.
So this is the end of this stage this. And it is very, very personal for us. If you know a family of a hostage, people are calling them. We know the families of the hostages by now. My by name.
We know who is this and who's this brother and and what uh soccer team they they follow and uh where do they live and who is religious and who is not. It's the feeling like a family member was in this. Deep Dangerous, crazy operation. And think about standing next to the door waiting for the person to walk out of the hospital. And that's exactly what the whole country felt.
on the personal level. And it is part of the deal that Trump played out, that the bodies have to be released. And yet, as of early this week, when we are recording this, only four bodies have been released. David, how do we work forward with this? Do those bodies do they even know where they're at?
Are they holding them captive still? What is the thoughts of the people there in Israel right now with the bodies in general?
Well, as far as we know right now, there's still twenty-four bodies that should be released. Hamas is saying that they don't know where all of them are, but The underlying idea is that there are more. that they could have released than they have released. That means that's them wiggling inside. The agreement We have turned over 45 bodies of Hamas fighters.
In return for we thought we were going to get the 28 pack. We only got four back.
Now as a result of that, immediately What Israel is doing is Not fulfilling all of the Requirements of our part of the agreement, for instance. The lafach. Uh j the Rafa opening or Rafa crossing. That connects that Gaussia strip. to the uh to Egypt.
was not opened by Israel as a result of exactly this kind of uh issue. There's supposed to be an international committee that's going to send people inside to find the bodies. But we think that the Hamas is playing games with this again, and this is no different from all of the rest of it. They've done this in the past before, too. Yeah, David, that's interesting you say that because I think President Trump was instrumental in putting this deal together on both sides, both the Israeli side and with the Arabs.
So I want to play a quick clip and get your comment on it. Like the USA right now. It will be the golden age of Israel and the golden age Of the Middle East, it's going to work together. The final sprint to this deal began less than three weeks ago on the sidelines of the United Nations in New York. I met with many of the people in this room.
And it all just started coming together. I've known so many of you for so long. You're friends of mine, you're great people. I have a couple I don't like in particular, but I I won't tell you who. I have actually a few of them I don't like at all.
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In our extended version this week, we will be talking with Olivier Melnick about his new book, Anti-Semitism in the End Times. You can find the extended version on our website, olivetreeviews.org, underneath the Watch Now tab, or you can go to our YouTube channel, the Jan Markell YouTube channel. I'm Pastor Josh Schwartz with my co-host Ken Michael. And today we've got David Tall of the Balagon Connection with us. And we just heard David, President Trump's remarks there in Egypt.
What are your thoughts on all that?
Well I'm going to say it like this. Thank God. For President Trump. I mean, I just It's my hair stand on end thinking that we would be in this place in history. With Kamala Harris, for instance, it would have been a disaster.
And what President Trump What was the ability to maneuver Force it. And use American military, economic, and diplomatic power. In order to achieve what I think and he thinks are American interests. No other president was even with. had been willing to use those tools like that.
So thank God for President Trump. And the thing that everybody in Israel has been saying is the blessing that says, you know, thank God that we've come to this time. But that being said. There still is a lot of maneuvering and a lot of pressure that's being done. And what President Trump is doing is, after we've made this agreement.
He's trying to solidify it. By pulling in the prestige of all the other nations. And saying, you're a part of this. Excuse kindness, you've been a part of this. And that's going to make it harder for anybody to wiggle out of this.
And the last thing is that His tying is into the third stage. Meaning The ceasefire was the first stage. The agreement about what's happening in Gaza is the second stage. And he's already sewing together the third stage, which is this overall Middle East piece. That will be connected to American control over.
Most of the economies here in the area. Yeah, David, that's an interesting point. Also, because I don't think this deal could have been done had we not taken out Iran's nuclear facilities first.
So that was a huge detriment to funding Hamas and what they wanted to do in their operations, and then gathering all the other Arab nations together, I think, was key.
So as we look at this, we see phase one now is almost complete. We need the rest of the hostages back.
Now that we go into phase two, what do you see Hamas doing? It sounds like they don't want to disarm yet. What is always kept us on the edge in Israel was Hamas are saying that they won't disarm the Hamas is saying that they want to continue. Hamas is saying that they are a liberation movement and hand over their arms. We mean that.
They quit being who they are. The world understands, I think, that Hamas cannot be allowed to keep a loaded gun under its pillow. For lack of a better term.
So that is going to be The main test now for the agreement. And all of the different players that President Trump has pulled in. Cause Hamas to give up the charms. And that's the thing that we're going to be talking about in the next couple of days. Yeah, it truly is.
Because we have to keep in mind that Hamas is being seen as a political Player, but more than anything, they're a terrorist player. They are a proxy of the Iranian snake that is slithering all throughout the Middle East to try and destroy the Jews and destroy the nation of Israel. And so. Hopefully, through this, the world is going to have a front row seat to just these snakey. reality of who Hamas is.
Knowing who I'm talking to and knowing that the people that Are you watching this? Probably have an open Bible somewhere in their place. I'm going to say it like this. The Hamas is this generation's player And fight against God. The Hamas right now and the Arab Muslim fanatic jihadi.
Is the modern version of Amalek or is the modern version of Haman? Or is the modern version of the Greeks who fought against us?
So we need to remember that To politics, we can talk to the military, we can talk to geopolitics. But this is a spiritual war and the Hamas is the side of the snake. Yeah. And you talked about in your presentation earlier this week about how theologians are going to be talking about this for years to come, and that's exactly why. Because we have to understand that The evil one, Satan is his name, is going to continually be fighting against God's people and fighting against the Jews and God's nation there in Israel.
And we're going to continually see a spiritual battle plot. Play on because Satan knows his demise is coming, and as you corner him more and more, he's going to fight harder and harder.
So, David, with all of that in mind, Um how are we seeing Bible prophecy line up and seeing the Word of God the stage being set for Bible prophecy to be fulfilled. If we go back Twenty years and I was just talking to my mom a little while ago. There was an existential threat against Israel from the Arab countries. I was a young kid here in the Six-Day War, and Jordanian fighter bombers and artillery bombed Jerusalem. I was a little baby lieutenant when we were afraid that the uh Syrians would come across the border with thousands of tanks.
or the Delanians would make a beeline produce them. Those threats don't exist anymore. Later on, the threat became the Indifadas, the uprising, blowing up buses. That has mostly It's a painted. The last existential threat, and that's what Hamas tried to do on the 7th of October.
Is this a different kind of war, this athletic warfare, this Media war that is being taught. And as of now. As a result of President Trump being in power, which I believe was a Divine Event And as a result of Israel's military strength, The threat of the Hamas has been put underground. The threat of the Hezbollah Iran has been put underground because of American military power. We're looking at, I think, the beginning of, or the backdrop of, or the laying out of the foundation.
of a larger piece And we know that that has to play out. and biblical prophecy.
Now if you'd have asked me two years ago Would there be peace in the Middle East? Inconceivable. Today it's conceivable. Yeah, in fact, David, President Trump said, as I said earlier, that he sees an eternal peace coming to that area. And from the Bible, we know that there is going to be a temporary peace in Israel.
However, that's going to be shattered.
So that's looking ahead. But you had mentioned earlier how this is all going to play out. Let's go to kind of project into phase three. We know that eventually Hamas is going to be removed from that area. And the United States is going to play a role.
But who do you see coming into that area? Because that whole area, what is it, 80% of it's devastated. Who's going to come in there, clean it up? Rebuild it, and then who do you see moving into that area? Are they going to be some Palestinians?
How are they going to screen the people? Because that's a beautiful area. I mean, if they wanted to make that into a tourist commerce area, they could certainly do that. Uh actually half an hour ago on Israeli T V We there was an item where they said that. Egyptian government has Agreed to train Palestinian technocrat from the Palestinian Authority.
Which is the other, how do you say, version of the Palestinian government. And they will be allowed to move into Gaza. To be the instigators or to run or to be the government in Gaza. In the meantime, until the local government comes up. There's billions of dollars, and Trump mentioned this both in Jerusalem and in Egypt.
that are waiting to be pulled. On to Dazzle Fitz. The only thing is that nobody's going to poured into the Nazis Strip, including the Gulf states. If the Hamas is in power still, 'Cause it'll just go into more tunnels and more more bloodshed. Or, if the Palestinian Authority is in control because they are corrupted in ways that nobody can understand.
So there's probably going to be some kind of Arab Combination government. That will be acceptable to the people of Gaza and acceptable to Israel. It looks like that's going to be the solution. The United States said yesterday that they are going to send military trainers. to train some kind of security force to say in Gaza in in the meantime.
Yeah, that's really important to to touch on, David, because we're going to see a conglomeration of all these nations that have signed on to this peace deal. And I mean, even earlier this week, it seems that Beirut is seeing the need to come in to this and bring peace. peace for a time in the north. Um now, one thing that I think we haven't touched on that I think is really important to touch on is uh Judea and Samaria. Uh The West Bank, as the world calls it.
How does this change what's happening there, David? The Fact that Israel stepped on the head of this night in Gaza. And stepped on the head of the snake in in Beirut that you mentioned, and it's a non-player anymore. And uh basically uh because of But I'm being a non-player then. Syria has changed its regime, is also looking out to reach some kind of an agreement.
And as a result of all of these, Iran has been On its on its backflip. All of these are creating a feeling in the Middle East that Israel isn't a regional power. And that play the role in a Society in a culture. where power is the greatest uh currency. more than anything else.
So tie that to the guy to the um Judea of Samaria, we have seen not seen Judea and Samaria really rise up. Mm-hmm. During these two years of war. I think they've been contained. Israel has done a lot of work inside Judea and Samaria because there is Hamas.
But Uh in a nutshell, I want to touch something a lot of people don't really understand about Arab culture. There's a big difference between what the government says, the leadership says. And what the people say. Let's make this clear: the hatred for Israel is the common denominator of the whole Muslim world. Governments are willing to make a difference.
Agreements concession. Dealing and wheeling. Hatred of the people. is still in place.
So, the Palestinian leadership in the West Bank is staying away from confrontation with Israel. The rest of the Arab nations are staying away from confrontation with Israel. But the hatred is still there. And again, That's going to be the peace that everybody talks about that's on the government level. But it's going to bubble up from underneath, but that again is a prophetic event.
Yeah. No, I think you're spot on there and helping us understand truly the way that power and politics play in the Middle East is deeply important because a lot of us don't understand that and can't put those pieces together because we've never been there. We don't live in a culture like that. We live in a totally different Western culture.
So, David, as we come together, Conclude here, we're hearing that there is a revival going on in Israel. Would that be similar to what we're hearing over in the United States? That there's this, obviously, there's a Christian revival going on here. What's going on over there in Israel? People need to understand that what happens day before yesterday.
Moved Israel from the trauma to the post-trauma. And in post-trauma. you start asking the questions about what and how. A result of that, there's a huge religious revival in Israel right now. People are going to the synagogues more.
People are becoming more religious. We see More people with a kipa on their head. Uh so there's a there's a Jewish revival going on because people are spiritually asking This is not enough. We did everything we thought was right, and was still enough. An illustration I like to use.
is I don't know if you remember in the Bible the battle against Ahmalek. They were fighting the battle, and when Moses' hands were up, we were winning. Moses' hands were down, we were losing. And I always think of it from the point of view of the soldier on the ground. He has to ask himself, why am I losing now and winning now?
That's what Israel is doing right now. That means though also. That their hearts are open. And I've been walking around the country and connecting, and people are asking me: you know, what are the people in America saying? They're seeing the anti-Semitism from both the le far left wing in the United States.
but even what we call conservative Christians in the United States. And when I come and I say I'm here because I'm Christian. And here are Christians who are supporting, and here are Christians who love you. And here are Christians who want to support Israel. You can see the question mark going in their head.
And they say why? And when that happens that Door opens. Say Because of Jesus. That is what's happening. Yeah, Josh, this is the perfect time for Christians to witness to Jews.
I can't think of a better time than right now. Yeah, and I think, David. As you were On the ground in Israel, we beg you to share our love for the Jewish people. We beg you to pass on great gratitude and that we are praying for them. We love them, we care for them, and that truly we do the things we do here because we don't want to see the Holocaust repeated.
We don't want to see the silence repeated. We want to stand firm with the truth, knowing that God has future plans for the nation of Israel, not only salvific plans, but restorative plans, and that Jesus is the answer.
So David, thank you for bringing that full circle because truly Like we have never seen before, at least in the modern era. we have the opportunity to share the love of Jesus with Jewish people, not only through tangible acts, but through actual words that are soul transforming.
So This is just a great time to remind not only ourselves, but even our listeners, that Jesus is working, and we need to be praying sternly and eagerly that His will will be accomplished and the gospel will go forth. Yeah, you're right, Josh. God is on the move like I've never seen before.
Well, our guest today has been David Tall from the Balagon Connection. David, how can people get in touch with you and your ministry?
Well start off with the Bollockon connection. Right there. Um, I'm on YouTube, on uh Instagram, and and doing that. And uh there are links there on on the YouTube channel to everything you need to do. There's even merchandise like this.
But uh basically what I need to do is follow what's going on in Israel. Don't believe everything the media is saying. Which is why I want to say thank you to all the three ministries. For being a source of information. that we as Christians can Value.
And in trust. And I think this is what we need to stress.
So the Valagantin action on YouTube will probably be the best.
Okay.
Well, David, do you have any closing thoughts in just bringing all of this together? I'm going to do something in Hebrew that's been reverberated all over Israel. Scrum Said in Jerusalem. This is going to be a time of Space. of peace and of God.
He said that on Israeli public television. There was a Feast of Tabernacle events where Israeli television showed Christians coming to Israel. I mean, there was a story about an Iranian who left Iran as a job because he became a Christian.
So Israel is being exposed to this. Just expose more of my people to the love of Jesus. This is what I want more than anything else. And hope to see as many of you here as soon as possible. Amen.
Amen. Well David Thank you. God bless you and your ministry and keep up the fabulous work you're doing over there. I was gonna ask you, you think that Israel should displace the Palestinians from Palestine to Egypt and Jordan? I look at things in the term of right and wrong, and just and unjust, not oppressor or oppressed.
So you don't believe what they've done is genocide? No, of course not. Because let's get our terms, let's just go. What is genocide? A genocide basically is basically mass A certain group because of their ethnicity, race, or cultural religion.
So was October 7th a genocide? It wasn't a genocide, no. You buy your own death. Yeah, let me tell you why. Let me tell you why.
Because the ICJ now is investigating Israel. They're not investigating Hamas for genocide, if you know that. I think Hamas is a terrorist group. I really think they are. But that doesn't justify what Israel has done so far.
Welcome to Understanding the Times. I'm Ken Michael, along with my co-host, Pastor Josh Schwartz. And today we'd like to welcome back our guest. He has a new book out called Anti-Semitism in the End Times. We'd like to welcome back to the program Olivier Milnick.
Olivier, thank you for joining us today. Thanks for uh having me back. Uh it's good to be with you guys and uh Honored to be on the program. Phenomenal, Olivier.
Well, you've had a few different changes in the last couple of years in ministry.
So can you give us a bit of an update of what your ministry is, what you're doing, and how things are going with that?
Well, I've been in Jewish ministry. I mean, I'm a, you know, I'm a Jew from Europe, a son of Holocaust survivors. Uh and um I've been in ministry and Jewish ministry since uh the early 90s. And uh Uh the longest Time I spent in Jewish ministry with one mission was about 27 years with chosen people ministries. And then the commander-in-chief redeployed my wife and I in February of 2024.
We started our own ministry, Shalom and Messiah. To really continue what he had started. Redirecting me to do in under Chosen People Ministries, but do it with a little more. A slightly different direction within Jewish missions as well.
So we continue to take the gospel to Jewish people whichever way we can. uh but also uh an emphasis on educating The body of Messiah, the church, about anti-Semitism, historical anti-Semitism, modern anti-Semitism, end times anti-Semitism. and equip them to make a difference and to be proactive and to be uh to mobilize them to reach out uh and help their Jewish friends. Praise God.
So Olivier, we heard in that clip, obviously it seems to always be the fault of the Jews because many people don't know their history and they don't actually know what's going on there.
So for our audience that hasn't heard this before, tell our audience who the Palestinians are and what is their historical background. Uh the uh the Palestinians Uh Right. As such, the name Palestinians is really it's a created displaced people that was basically created by Yasser Arafat, who was placed in the Middle East in the early 60s by the USSR. The basically at the beginning, it it took a while to be to be accepted but at the beginning it was He was pushing the idea that Palestinians were a Displaced people that had been pushed away by Israel, taken over the land of Palestine and occupying the land of Palestine and pushing the original indigenous Palestinians out of their own land to Make the 1948 State of Israel. And then, of course, in the early 60s, it didn't take right away.
But now we're in 2025, where the whole world is no longer questioning that. And the Palestinian narrative, which is based on absolutely zero history. Is being accepted by everybody. And and people supporting the Palestinian cause are Are feeling that they're really rooting for social justice and the right cause when, in fact, they are only promoting the idea that Jews should not exist even in their own ancestral. biblical land known as Eretz Israel, the land of Israel.
And so the Palestinian people are real people. They're Arabs. There are Arabs from all the different countries around Israel that Have existed for a long time that come from Lebanon, from Jordan, from Egypt, from Syria. from different the various countries all around Israel. Uh A case could be made if you want to simplify things.
We could say that the The Palestinians really were the the Jordanian, the trans-Jordanian. Became the Palestinians overnight just to create that people and create the tension of a people pushing another people and then starting to. Promote the idea, which really the idea of genocide was not something that was really being pushed. That word was not being pushed a whole lot until. Really, two years ago after the Hamas massacre out of Gaza.
Uh in on October 7th, 2023. Uh the occupation Yes, the colonization, yes. Those are all words that cannot be proven by the way. But the word genocide was really Being pushed, and now it's being pushed by people all over the world on US campuses, by leftists, by right wings, by everybody. They're pushing the idea that Israel is committing genocide.
What's interesting about that. Is that genocide is basically eradicating a people group for their belief, for their race, for their. And if Israel wanted to commit, was truly committing genocide. Then Gaza, the Gaza Strip, would have been completely leveled on October 8th. And their population has grown by about 2.84%, which is almost 3%.
It's not much, but it's grown. That is the opposite of genocide, but you don't hear this on the news. No, you don't. And I think it's important to point out, you said that there is a narrative being pushed, and it is a social justice movement. And I think it's really important for everyone hearing this to put to pieces together that this is happening on college campuses that are primarily a liberal arts institution that is infiltrated by Marxism.
And it's the oppressor versus the oppressed. And the oppressed is always the ones that in the social justice movement, the social justice warriors, the oppressed are the ones that are always in the right and the ones to be supported against the oppressor. And so this is why we're hearing these narratives of genocide, colonization, and all the terms that you just came up with or worked through. Yeah. So Olivier.
Can there actually ever be a two-state solution to solve this problem? If there ever was a two-state solution, A viable two-state solution. I don't believe there was, or there will be, but if there ever was one, it died on October 7th. Mm. Interesting.
the trust that some of the Israelis uh had placed in in in in some of their palestinian counterparts the the the people in the south That came out of Gaza. That would, that would, you've heard the stories that there would be. Uh gardeners or they would come and fix people homes and you know Sometimes they would come to a Jewish home and they would take him to the doctor. They would have a relationship with their neighbors. They would give them little jobs on farms, on homes, cleaning ladies, all those things.
These people are the same people that actually were measuring, scoping, and taking notes so that the October 7th attack could take place and be so successful so quickly.
So the trust is gone. I I've been to Israel since October 7th. Twenty-three uh Three times, okay, and I'm getting ready to go a fourth time in about two weeks. Uh The trust is gone. You talk to people on the street, the trust is gone.
That two-state solution, which I don't think ever was viable. That's just not an option anymore. I was doing an interview of Caroline Glick. Uh in um 2024, like March of twenty twenty four, I was uh I was there with Brendan Holthouse and we were doing an interview at her house. Wonderful commentator.
Great, great. I mean, she understands the Middle East and she's a wonderful commentator. And we were talking about the one-state, two-state. And she said something that was really profound and personal to me because I lost my grandfather in Auschwitz. And um Know and we speak of the Holocaust as you know the final solution to the Jewish question, the final solution.
So, you know, Caroline looked at me and she said, Olivier, here's the bottom line. The two-state solution is a euphemism For the final solution. Mm. And I thought, wow. This is profound.
Because basically any chance we give the current uh um uh population of of Palestinians to have a two-state solution, it will be a platform for them to build more infrastructure like they did in Gaza after the removal in 2005, an infrastructure of terrorism and violence and murder. And by the way. There was a poll that was done recently. By and not by a US company and not by an Israeli company, but by a Middle Eastern company.
So they wanted to, they got their numbers for themselves. Uh uh it was Seventy seven per cent of all Palestinians, Gaza. Judea and Samaria together. 77% of all Palestinians Today. In the last couple of months.
Are in agreement with what Hamas has been doing and what they continue to do. And they said they should not be disarmed. 77%. That's a lot. Of people.
And when I compare that, I talked, I spoke about that at a conference recently. When you compare that to How many Germans were Nazis? during World War II. Nine percent. Hmm.
Even if you say Nazi sympathizers, you can be very generous and say up to 30%. If you add those, which of course you know 10 to maybe 30 percent 77% of Palestinians are, not just in Gaza in general, are in agreement that Hamas is doing the right thing. Yeah, great point.
So, to me, what I'll finish with that. To me, what this is telling me is something that I never thought I would say in my lifetime is that we have actually not reached the levels of the 1930s and 40s. We've exceeded them right now. Yeah, Josh, we've already seen that they basically did a dry run for a two-state solution. And Jan says this all the time.
They've tried it by giving them Gaza, and it didn't work out very well. Yeah, it absolutely-that's your case study right there. That is your case study. If you want to see if a two-state solution will work, look at Gaza, look at what happened 20 years after 2025. I mean, after 2005 and 2025, that's your case study.
It did not work. Do you want to make it bigger and worse? Because that's what's going to happen. That's absolutely what's going to happen. And I think we have to recognize that it's not a two-state solution for the Palestinians.
It's a one-state solution. They want the whole land. That's why the chant of from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, is continually chanted across. The world and all these major cities and all these major campuses, because this is the goal to eradicate the nation of Israel. Yeah.
Well, Olivia, that's a great point. And I really think that this next clip really plays into that.
So let's listen to this clip and then we'll get your thoughts. This week The leaders of France, Britain, Australia, Canada, and other countries. unconditionally recognized a Palestinian state. After the horrors committed by Hamas on October 7th. Harris praised on that day by nearly ninety percent of the Palestinian population.
Let me say that again. Nearly 90% of Palestinians supported the attack on October 7th. It's not supported on them. They celebrated it. They dance on the rooftops.
They threw candies. That's both. in Gaza and In Judea, Samaria, the West Bank, as you call it. And it's just the way they celebrated. Another horror.
9-11. They dance on the rooftops. They cheered. They threw candy. You know what message the leaders who recognized the Palestinian state this week sent to the Palestinians?
It's a very clear message. Murdering Jews Pays off.
Well, I have a message for these leaders. When the most savage terrorists on earth are effusively praising your decision. You didn't do something right. You did something wrong. Horribly wrong.
Your disgraceful decision will encourage terrorism against Jews. and against innocent people everywhere. It will be a mark of shame on all of you. But but wait a minute, Mr. Prime Minister, they tell me.
Wait a minute. We believe in a two-state solution. Where the Jewish state of Israel We live side by side in peace with the Palestinian state. There's only one problem with that. The Palestinians They don't believe in this solution.
They never have. They don't want a state next to Israel. They want a Palestinian state Instead of Israel. Our guest today is Olivier Melnick. Olivier just wrote a new book, Anti-Semitism in the In Times.
You can find it on our online store. That's at olivetreeviews.org. OlivetreeViews.org. You can find his new book at our online store.
Now, Olivier, you just heard this clip from Bibi Netanyahu with exactly what we just talked about.
So these are our opinions. This is from the Prime Minister of Israel himself. What are your thoughts?
Well, first of all, I'm being more conservative than he is when I said 77%. He said 90% of all Palestinians are celebrating the. Uh What happened on October 7th? You're rewarding terrorism. I just wrote an article on shalomandmessiah.com on our website.
And on that very topic, the reward of what they did is: A, we're going to kill Jews, we're going to maim, we're going to kill, we're going to burn, we're going to rape. And then The world is going to come to our rescue and say, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we need to give them a full state so they can do more of this. That's what I'm reading. There's no way, there's no other way to read this. You know, terrorism pays off.
And what's going to happen is that. If it can be rewarded for Palestinians to do what they did against the Jews, it's going to embolden. Other terror groups to do other things all over the planet.
So it's hurting the Jews. But it's going to hurt a lot more people than that. It's really a bad. Bad situation. There's no recognition.
is really not We know we keep saying, well, it's not legally binding, not legally binding.
Well, that's true. It's not legally binding, but it shows people's true colors, it shows their heart, it shows their position. in the position of the world right now. which should not surprise us according to prophecy, is that At some point, the whole planet is going to go against the Jews. Zechariah 12:3.
the Jerusalem will become a cup of trembling and then and it will be that the whole world will go against Jerusalem. There is an anti-defamation league, and we gotta take that, you know, these guys with a grain of salt, because they can be a little liberal for my taste. But they do their surveys pretty well, they get their numbers pretty well.
So, that I usually use that part of the organization, and they said that. recently about maybe six months ago so it might have gone up a little bit 46%. That number is is really scary. Forty-six percent of all ad global adults Global adults. 46% of global adults.
harbor some sort of anti-Jewish sentiment.
So you're looking at right now, we are at the midpoint of the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:3. If you really want to look at it, we're in the midst of that prophecy being fulfilled. Wow. We live in incredible times. What would you like to see happen to Gaza after Israel defeats them and removes them?
What do you do with the Palestinians? We know Jordan doesn't want them, and we know Egypt won't take them.
So what's the plan? Or what would you like to see happen there? Uh well it's now what I I would like to see is what what's the best For Israel, for the Palestinians, and for the whole world. The question I have is: why is it that no country wants to take them? I mean It's not they're coming from okay.
Let's say they come from Palestine and they move to Egypt because that's a better place for them to be right now. Uh, they remain. According to their understanding, a Palestinian, which of course is a created term that goes back to the Romans. We can talk about that later if you want. I think your audience has probably heard that before.
But they could move to Egypt, they could move to, you know. Syria, Lebanon, you know, Jordan, nobody wants them. Why is it that nobody wants them? That's the first question I have. What needs to happen in Gaza?
I think that. It is clear that Hamas has to be completely, completely eradicated. The problem with that is, even if you eradicate, if you get rid of all the Hamas, Uh operatives Uh you will never Get rid of the ideology of radical Islam.
So, until Yeshua returns and establishes real peace on earth. At the second coming and throughout the millennial kingdom and the eternal order, until that happens. It's always going to be false peace. Especially at the time of the tribulation with the Antichrist. But that ideology of Quranic Islam uh you know uh radical Islam Is never going to go away.
So, Hamas goes away. Another one, I mean, ISIS. kind of went away. Hamas stayed around. I'll kid asking like off and on.
They just come up with another name and then that name becomes the the new bad guy on the playground.
So, we're always going to have those bad players, but for Gaza, for the Gaza Strip, I think. There needs to be some kind of an Israeli Hello. presence an Israeli Um uh Not necessarily full control, but a presence that will make sure that they will not rebuild new tunnels or new infrastructure. refurbished. and regroup for their Uh terrorist attacks, the next one, because that's all.
They're doing all the money that was sent to them by various NGOs and UN and different countries, they've used it for. For destruction. Yeah. Some Israeli presence is going to be necessary. And I think that's what Netanyahu wants to do.
Yeah. No, I think that's a great evaluation. I mean, there's not much that can be done, but there does have to be some defense there. There does have to be a buffer there. There has to be some sort of protection against who's coming next.
And I think you explained that very well.
Now, Olivier, you have written this new book, Anti-Semitism, Indian Times.
Now, let's walk through that. Why did you write it? And what was your main drive for communicating these things? This has been my uh my wheelhouse for the last twenty almost twenty six years now Um Yeah. that and that's why i branched out to start our own ministry to to be able to focus more on on on different aspects of of of that.
Um This is my fifth of of seven books, my fifth on the topic. Uh seven or eight book, I forgot. Um On the topic of anti-Semitism. And this one is: I needed to do a more recent version of what's happening that would include October 7th and after.
So it goes all the way to. uh October seventh uh events and actually it includes Another six months because there's been a lot of other things happening in the world since October 7, 2023, because of this. what happened it actually The whole world instead of coming to the rescue of Israel. Which we thought would make sense because of the events, turned around and said, Okay, we got to stop Israel, we got to get rid of them. And then you get the genocide, the starvation, the famine in Gaza, the occupation, and all those things on U.S.
campuses, and this continued hatred of the Jews and of Israel that's grown exponentially. Um since since October 7th.
So I wrote this book to document that. But also in the book, I document Why it's important to understand that anti-Semitism, at least the modern iteration of anti-Semitism, or I would even say the anti-Semitism of the end times, which is maybe even a more modern, a more recent iteration of the modern anti-Semitism of the last 30 years.
So Olivia, in your book, you explain two contrasting anti-Semitism theories, and one is the classical anti-Semitism, and then you also talk about the new anti-Semitism. Can you explain to our audience what the difference is? Satan is the person behind anti-Semitism. He is the one who wants to stop the Jews, the one who wants to eradicate, kill all the Jews. Why?
What does he have against the Jews?
Well, God's chosen people. They're the apple of God's eye, Zechariah 2:8. Um they are um A special people that God has selected to. Uh Unravel his divine decree, his divine plan for mankind. It revolves around Israel and the Jewish people.
And he also knows, Satan, that when the Jewish people, at the end of the seven-year tribulation, which is a future event, And that will take place. after the rapture, I believe. Satan knows that at the end of the tribulation, when the Jewish people corporately say, Baruchaba Bashema Donai, blessed is you who comes in the name of the Lord. Jesus, Yeshua, comes back from heaven with those who have been raptured, and at that. moment, the second coming, Satan is his career is over.
And he's not looking forward to his retirement because he knows where he's going. He's going to the lake of brimstone and fire and brimstone.
So, Satan wants to stop that from happening. If he kills the Jews, guess what? Nobody's going to call Jesus return, and his job, Satan, is secure.
So that's what he's been trying to do. He is beyond anti-Semitism. But I wrote this book to document that to show that it doesn't happen in a vacuum, that it's a A continuation of 2000 years of of uh theological anti-Judaism that turned into Um A racial anti-Semitism of the time of the Holocaust, which is now. Becoming what people call anti-Zionism or anti-Israelism, which is really anti-Semitism. When you at the end of the day, so it's a progression, it's and it's a morphing of this.
uh uh Jewish hatred. I I've been telling people Pray. Just as a Christian, pray because of the days we live in. Prayer right now and ask God. Dear Lord.
How would you want me to be an Oscar Schindler or a Corey Temboom? Is this what you want me to be? Is this where you want me to be at this time of our history? Do you want me to go to, of course, share the gospel with the Jewish friends? But is there anything else I can do to be an Oscar Schindler or a Corey Tamboom and not be a bystander?
That's phenomenal. And I think a very timely book that really traces anti-Semitism and to where we are at here in the last moments of the last days. And again, friends, if you are interested in that, you can pick it up on our online store at olivetreeviews.org. That's olivetreeviews.org. Well, Olivier, like always, time has definitely slipped out of our hands.
How can people get a hold of you or get in touch with your ministry? The easiest way is to get to our website at shalominmessiah.com. S H A L O M Shalom in I N Shalom in Messiah.com And we have our resources there. I'm also on YouTube at the same name, shalom and messiah.com. I have a lot of videos on the topic with a lot of different guests.
And so they can find us on YouTube. They can find us on Instagram, on Telegram, on X. But if you start with our website, it's a good place to start.
Well our guest today has been Olivia Melnick. His new book, Anti-Semitism in the End Times. Olivia, I want to thank you for joining us today and God bless you and your ministry. Thank you. God bless you guys.
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