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You know, it's a neat thing. On Monday we talked about, you know, how to increase your love for your spouse and on Tuesday we talked about how to increase your love for the saints and today so we're gonna, how do we increase our love for the Savior, right? And so we would love to know, how do you actually love on Jesus when you get an opportunity?

What does that practically work out for you? I would love to hear your story. You know I would. 866-348-7884. 866-348-7884. We got some folks calling in live from the National Prayer Breakfast at J. Helvey and those from Winston-Salem have been at that prayer breakfast.

We expect to hear from them shortly. So one of the ways that you can love on Jesus is obviously through prayer. Maybe you got a special one that you use or some way that you do that. But, you know, one of the ways that I have always just intrigued me when I think about how do you love on Jesus is in Jeremiah 31-22 is a very strange verse but it's a really, really cool verse and it speaks to this in a tremendous way. It says, How long will you waver, O faithless daughter?

For the Lord has created a new thing on the earth. It says, A woman encircles a man. And that woman in this case is the bride of Christ, which we all are. And the idea is if you've ever been to a Jewish wedding, you'll note that the bride circles the groom seven times, which begs the question, you know, what's up with that? You know, why does the bride in a Jewish wedding encircle the groom seven times?

Well, there's some correlation, I'm told, by, you know, the Jewish way of thought that, you know, when they had invaded the city of Jericho that they had to encircle the walls of Jericho seven times in order to bring them down. And they know every groom, I'm told, and I know it certainly was me, have walls that have protection around their heart. But it's the bride's job to, you know, encircle the groom in such a way that he feels so, you know, the faith of the wife, et cetera, et cetera, that she would bring down the walls of his heart to where he would completely trust her, you know, with his story, with his life, those kind of things. And so when I was thinking about that, like, since we are the bride of Christ, how do we do that to where, you know, we just increase our faith to the point that Jesus just trusts us so much that we bring down the walls of Jesus' heart? I think it's a beautiful thought and then leads to the question is, how do you do that?

866-348-7884 is the number to call in. I would love—believe me, I would, because I could use all the help I could get, because I love to just think about, Jesus, how can I love on you? But how can I increase practically the way I love on you? And it always has led me to these, you know, Dr. Gary Chapman happens to be, you know, he was one of my pastors at Calvary, and I would consider him a friend and for years just an amazing guy. And he wrote the books of five love languages, and I've always thought that one of the ways I could practically look at this is, okay, well, you know, Jesus obviously speaks all five love languages fluently.

I mean, fluently. And so—but there's practical ways of doing that. So you've got words of encouragement, right, and acts of service, quality of time, gifts, and physical touch.

Those are the five. And when you think about that, okay, there's nothing like prayer, you know, when it comes to— when you think about those words of encouragement, like, that's praise. And, you know, Nick, when I think about praise, I think about folks like you that love music, right? And you can praise God just in melody.

You sure can. Yeah. I like the way you put that.

I like how you put that. Right. And you can feel his pleasure when that melody is just right. And the perfect key, too. And the right key, too, for sure. Right.

And so, you know, in its own way, it's really neat. And it actually, in its own way, incorporates physical touch, because you're touching that instrument. You know, you're playing the, you know, the piano or strumming the guitar or, you know, playing the horn, you know.

Right? The horn pushing down the button or whatever they call those. Valves. Okay. I get what you're trying to say. Not the spit valve, but the other one. You know, you get the idea. So, you know, I, you know, just let your mind wander and say, well, how do you do that?

866-348-7884, 86634 truth. So, there's acts of service. And I've heard this, and I think it's absolutely beautiful that when I am, you know, my wife happens to love pizza. And I don't care for it, actually. Any people who know me know that Robbie doesn't eat a lot of pizza. But my wife loves it. And so, sometimes I'll go pick her up a pizza, because it's an act of service, right? I can go get my wife a pizza, because I know she loves it. And if I come home with that, and all the way home, I got to smell that pizza. But as I'm smelling it, I could think, oh, man, I, but I can also think, man, I can picture the face. I can picture Tammy's face when she sees that, and like how much that's going to mean to her. And in a way, you're communing with your wife the whole time that you're doing that act of service.

And so, how beautiful, when you think about it, is you're doing those acts of service for another person or whatever way that that happens, that you're really communing with God in a beautiful way, that you're anticipating his joy or feeling his pleasure as you're working through those acts of service. And so, not coincidentally, we have on the phone with us now Jay Helvey, actually in Washington, D.C., at the National Prayer Breakfast. And you guys have experienced loving on Jesus with a new administration up there, Jay.

We did. It was very exciting. Hopefully, some of your listeners got to see it on either YouTube Live TV or C-SPAN. But yeah, President Trump is back.

He gave an encouraging talk to a packed audience. Wow, Jay, we got a break. We came in right on the break. Can you hang on with us just for a minute? And we'll be right, well, it'll be about three minutes, but we'll be right back with more Jay Helvey and the National Prayer Breakfast and your thoughts on how do you love on Jesus. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. Today we're talking about how do you love on Jesus? And one of those ways is through prayer, and we're so blessed to have with us Jay Helvey's live, actually, in Washington, D.C., having just attended the National Prayer Breakfast. And I hated that that break came in right there, Jay, but go ahead and share.

Yeah, I will. Well, the breakfast is this morning, so some of the headlines are already out there. But we just say the president, it was a strong, encouraging, and a faith-filled speech. A couple of things I would highlight was our president said, I'm a believer like you all are believers. But he basically acknowledged he was a believer. He acknowledged that in his mind God saved his life and made the point that his son Don and his son Eric see that.

And he said, I shouldn't say this, but with Don it's something for him to say that. So there was a clear recognition that God's hand is upon him by the president, which is very encouraging. He made very strong statements, really quoting from the Sermon on the Mount when he's saying he would like to be a peacemaker and a unifier.

So that's the headline, I think. Obviously, it would be my view he's looking to do that from a position of strong leadership and clarity, but very much values-based. He underscored the fact that we are, in terms of unity, one country, in God we trust, and just made a big point about the importance of keeping God in front of us. And he's setting up, I think with Attorney General Bondi, an anti-Christian discrimination.

I'm going to say council. Your listeners will have to look at the actual details, but just to make sure that Christians are not being discriminated against. And he gave some examples, in particular one of the ladies who was put in prison for praying outside.

I'm assuming it would be a pregnancy care center that received two years of a sentence, and she was pardoned. He recognized her. He recognized some of the hostages that had been returned from Hamas. And it was very encouraging to be in the audience and listening to her.

Wow. And how about the rest of the prayers? How did God touch your heart, I guess, Jay, while you had a chance to attend that? Well, let me say once in one prayer, and I can't recall the congressman who prayed the prayer. He's the next co-chair of next year's prayer breakfast. And by the way, President Trump pointed out he was there every time he was in office, and he's back, and he's bringing everybody back together.

So all the elected officials from the Senate and the House back as they've done it now for 73 years in one room for prayer. But the congressman prayed a prayer about President Trump's ear having been hit by the bullet, and the president talked about that and showed us how he turned his head, but an attentive ear. So I came away, the thing that really caught my attention is this is a president that acknowledges he needs to listen for guidance from God. And the congressman, I think, prophetically, in some way, noted that the president now has an attentive ear. Wow.

That's cool. And it's just encouraging to see so many people from around the world. And we have to remember that the world looks to the United States for leadership.

I think they see our country, a country that is dedicated to religious liberty, and we take it for granted, I think, too often. And so to see a room of folks from, I think, 46 states and, I don't know, close to 80 countries there to pray, and with God being lifted up, it is a special moment that shows that this effort, a pebble thrown in the pond by President Eisenhower 73 years ago, with folks like Abram Verady and Doug Coe and many other friends who have just taken this model of a national prayer breakfast around the world, it's impacted a lot of lives, and you can sense that in the room today. Wow. That's absolutely wonderful. We're so honored you had a chance to share that with our audience today, Jay. We really, really appreciate you calling in. Well, glad to do it, and I hope that was an encouraging note to those of you. Oh, it was for me. I'm telling you, I love the attentive ear. We all could take a hint from that, right?

I think so. If we could get our hearts to tune when we hear his voice. That's beautiful. Thank you, Jay, so much. You guys have a blessed time up there. And you as well. Thank you. God bless.

Bye-bye. Well, that's pretty cool, and we want to remind you, actually, since I got a second, that some folks will lose at the bottom of this hour, so if you want to hear the rest of how you love on Jesus and that kind of thing, you can get the podcast later at truthnetwork.com. So when you hear another show coming on when it seems like this one wasn't over, that's kind of what's going on.

We lose some of the audience, but a lot of folks, we get to keep them for the whole hour, and of course, we're going to continue on this topic since we're making another run of the love boat. How do you love on the Savior? And again, Jay just talked wonderfully how you can do that through prayer. And we were just talking about acts of service, how when you, for example, this week, well, before I give that example, I want to give you a chance to call in, because I really, really want to hear your stories. 866-348-7884.

866-348-7884. So they say it's more blessed to be in a house of mourning than a house of feasting, and I've been visiting this lady who is unfortunately in hospice and very close, I'm afraid, to passing over, unless the Lord let us out as a healer, and that would be wonderful. And I got back from Spain this week, and on my agenda immediately was to go visit her. And when I walked in her room, she at this point in time is really struggling to talk, really struggling to remember anything, and she kind of has this confused look on her face, that kind of thing. And so as I walked in, I said, I certainly want to pray for your healing, my friend, but what's on your heart that I could really pray for you for? And I didn't even know if she'd be able to answer the question, but I just did. And when I said that, she answered, and I think I was the only person in the room that heard what she said. What she said was, would you pray that I could speak? And I immediately knew what she meant, that can you imagine if you only had whatever time left, a day or two, and your mom is in the room, and you know you're fixing to unfortunately pass over, and you want to have words of encouragement for your mom, or your daughter's in the room, or your granddaughter's in the room, all these people, because again, she's in her 50s, so her mom's there, obviously, and what a cool thing, when you think about it, that she wants to be able to speak to them, to give them words, but her mind doesn't work in the way that she would like it to be because of the brain cancer. And I think, you know, what would you want to say, and wouldn't you love to be able to say it? And what an honor it is to pray for that, and I can certainly feel God's pleasure as we did that.

We would love your stories, 866-348-7884. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. We're expecting you and love Like sweetest reward How do you love on Jesus? What is he teaching you along those things that you really can feel in his pleasure as you do acts of service, or quality time, or gifts, or physical?

How does that work in your life? I'm so excited to take your calls. We've got Matt is in Jacksonville, Florida. Matt, you're on Truth Talk Live. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. How are you?

I'm excited to hear what you have for me, Matt. I really am. Well, you know, I was raised in a Baptist church with my mom. God bless her. She's still with me, and never really focused on what was important in life. And then I got struck with stage 4 non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

Oh, wow. Yeah, it about took my life. They had me on my deathbed. But here I am to live to tell, and I tell you, buddy, you talk about listening to the Word talking to you. I got to tell you, it does. It speaks to me every day.

It speaks to me in everything I do, now that I've gone through that, and I appreciate what the Lord got me through. Wow, I don't know if you know this, Matt, but I, too, am a non-Hodgkin's survivor. Didn't know that.

Actually, almost, it was 1996, so I'm fixing to beat 30 years. Awesome. Well, that's encouraging for me, because I was afraid it was going to come back. That's what everybody tells you, and all that kind of stuff. But if God heals it, he has control over cancer. And some people, you know, you always have survivor syndrome, because believe me, there were plenty that went through treatments with me that are not with us.

They went over. But God has a purpose for you, and he's not done with you until he's done with you, and that's for sure. That's right. But I'm like you, and he taught me so many things.

Oh, gosh. Through that struggle. Yes.

What are some of the other things he taught you, Matt? I love my family. Yeah. Your priorities get real straight, don't they? Yeah, I wake up. You know, it puts a whole new realm on why I'm on this earth and what I'm supposed to do on this earth. Rather than out drinking and motorcycle riding and playing in bars at night on my drums and all that stuff didn't matter. That wasn't serving the Lord, so that's what it's done for me.

Wow, what a testimony. That is so awesome, Matt. I am so glad you called in. It reminds me so much.

How long out are you? I am remission for almost a year and a half now. That is awesome. Absolutely awesome. Yes, it is.

It is. And, you know, so again, praise God for you, and you keep up the great work. And believe me, it's an amazing thing. The more you testify, the more he gives you to testify about. Yes, and I was listening to your radio, and I was like, oh my gosh, I need to call. So that, to me, was God telling me to call and share your testimony. Oh, thank you, Matt.

It makes my day. No problem. Thank you for calling. You have a great afternoon. God bless. Yes, sir. God bless you. You're doing a great job. Oh, thank you. You are. Bye.

866-348-7884. There's nothing like, you know, just how God changed your life, and you have an opportunity to see how much fun it is to actually love on Jesus with so many different ways. Interesting. I'm still thinking about Nick playing his tuba, you know? Loving on Jesus, you know, bringing that baseline in. And, you know, there's something about a baseline, Nick, that only— It keeps the groove going.

What now? It keeps the groove going. It does. Yeah.

It does. And, you know, that whole idea of how do you have physical touch with God at the same time praising him and all that, and, you know, it's a really neat thing that he gave us music to be able to do that with. And you can do it with your whole heart, because, right? When you love on people, you do that with your heart, and both singing and making music is a heart thing. Mm-hmm. Great music comes from the heart, absolutely.

That's really cool. You know, again, I love this. We got Mike, my friend in Dayton, Ohio, and Mike is—you're on the acts of service thing saying, obedience. He said, if you love me, you'll do what? Obey. And, you know, I grew up with my dad always saying, I guess you don't love me. You didn't obey me.

And I'm like, oh my gosh, you know. And he goes, well, if you love me, you love God, and because you love God, you'll obey me. And I grew up with my dad just drumming that in my head like a drum, like a beat, like a time, and it really taught me a lot, because the obedience to God is because it's in your heart, and you love God, so you obey God, and the more you obey God, the more you're obedient. And the more you're obedient, the more you show love to God.

I hope I said that okay, but I'm trying to get across where obedience and love is the action of love to God. Yeah, and it goes in different levels, right? Because, you know, when you're thinking, you know, here's this person stuck over in the median, and like President Trump, your ear is attentive to all of a sudden him saying, Mike, you know, that guy, you can help him out, and rather than going, oh, no, I don't really have time for that, just based on your level that God has you at now, like, oh, man, I get to go help. How cool is that?

I mean, like, how exciting? And I know your spirit, Mike, so I'm sensing that's how that felt, right? Exactly. That's exactly how it felt, and, you know, and then God loves on you because you were obedient. You know, I mean, he just gives you that joy in your heart because of what you did for him, and with him, you know, and it's a relationship more than it is just a feeling.

It's obedience, and obedience, you get a relationship by being obedient. God will put on your heart to read your Bible through the year, and I've done that this year. Boy, has it been hard? Yes. I've only gotten behind one day so far, and I've gotten back, caught back up. When you think about it, I love that.

Yeah. I love it, Mike, because here, you know, if you remember dating your wife, right, and you were sitting across the table from her eating dinner, and you'd love to hear her tell her story, right? You were hung on every word because you really wanted to get to know your wife better, and when you think about reading the Bible in that sense, it's like God is wanting to tell you his story, and if you're hanging on those words like, oh, man, how amazing, how amazing, how amazing, and it's kind of got, from my standpoint, almost every single one of the five love languages in it, because you have certainly words of encouragement, they're all over the place, but it's actually an act of service in that God wants to be heard just like you want to be heard, right? And so you're actually being obedient as you read his words, which you knew that, right? And then certainly it's quality time because you're spending time with God and his Word, and there's all sorts of gifts involved in that idea of spending time in the Word, and then actually, I was thinking about it earlier today, that when you actually have a hold of a Bible, it's like you're touching God because it's his Word, right?

And there's something holy about that that is truly, truly amazing. Well, Mike, we got Kaleem is also, thank you so much for calling in, Mike, I appreciate you as always. I got Kaleem is also at the National Prayer Breakfast. Kaleem, you're on Truth Talk Live. Yeah, hello, guys, how's everybody doing? Well, now that I hear your voice, Kaleem, I want to get a big Kaleem hug over the air.

I hear you, brother, I hear you. It's been amazing, a few days here. And honestly, President Trump just delivered today, you know, it's a new era for this country.

And you know, just the atmosphere here in Washington, D.C. at the Hilton is just amazing. You know, many Christians come from all around the world, you know, they came. And the president this morning delivered an amazing speech, talking about Christianity, talking it's okay to be Christian in this country, it's okay to be in our schools, you know, it's not a taboo to be a Christian in this country. And that was really wonderful.

Right, and from an international flavor, those who don't know, Kaleem is from Lebanon. And so, what Jay had mentioned earlier, that the whole world kind of looks to us, and so to hear that from an international standpoint, like, what, you know, it's a really beautiful thought. Well, I hear that apparently we've got to go to a break, Kaleem, I kind of hear that broken up in the background, so we'll be right back with Kaleem, I hope you can hang on through us the break, and a whole lot more love and Jesus on Truth Talk Live, we'll be right back. How do you love on Jesus today?

It's the Truth Talk Live show, where you are the stars, believe me, we need you to call us 866-348-7884, 866-348-7884. We would love to hear how you do that, and Kaleem is with us at the National Prayer Breakfast in DC, of course it was this morning that was the breakfast, but Kaleem, as you heard all that, how did God touch your heart? You know, it's just amazing to see this country always coming back, and come together and pray, it is just beautiful to see that we're not alone, there are many Christians around the world, and around the United States, you meet some of the finest, wonderful people, from soup kitchens, the men, to prison ministry, to kings, business leaders, love Jesus, and they all come to this prayer breakfast here in DC every year, and this year, it's been just amazing seeing all these people, and the president was so relaxed today as he delivered his speech, because he's among his people, it's just, it was an amazing, and as you guys, some of you know, that Biden never made it to the prayer breakfast, so this year, President Donald Trump, he said, I can't believe it, the other president didn't make it, I'm gonna make it, I'm gonna come every year to pray with you guys, and so that was really wonderful, that he came down here, and you know, just spent time doing that, sure, sure, absolutely.

Well thank you my friend, I appreciate you calling in a whole bunch, you keep up the good work, love you too Kaleem, and we will talk to you soon, God bless. Alright we got Ted is on Truth Talk Live, Ted what have you got for us? Oh I'm just, you know, Stu told me to call in, I'm at the national prayer breakfast, and he wanted to get a report of what it's like on the ground here, so I'm calling up. Wonderful, so what touched your heart, Ted, at the prayer breakfast? Oh well, I mean, it's the magnitude of people from around the globe who are followers of Jesus, and I mean just offended upon this, what really touched me is man, you know, God's kingdom is at work, and it's alive and well, all over the globe, and followers of Jesus are in influential positions, it's, you know, that was the first thing that impressed me, you know, I also saw the president, which was kind of cool, and I liked his speech and, you know, especially where, you know, he says he wants to be known for unity, so that's what I'm about. So yeah, those are two things that impressed me from the national prayer breakfast. So as you were listening to, obviously, a whole lot of people praying, did God touch your heart with somebody else's prayer? Yeah, yeah, a couple things that touched my heart, one, I had a moment to connect with a chaplain, he's a chaplain to the Navy, and just hearing his story and, you know, seeing that connection, that really touched my heart, that was just a side conversation. Another one I had with a young man who I knew who recently lost his very close friend, and tragically a young man, the guy, the other, you know, he's in his 20s, his close friend was in his 20s, someone who I also knew, and he was sharing how God brought him through that, how his faith just gave him perspective, and, you know, he had met the Lord like a year or two before this happened, and he was so glad he had his faith to rely upon.

That really touched me too. Yeah, when it comes to those kind of things, right, your faith gets real quick. Yeah, and then, you know, like, I know and I've experienced how real my faith is, and, you know, it's very real to me personally, but then to see so many people with that stared worldview and influential people and coming together and say, wow, the same God that has brought me through this tough time can lead our nation and our nations through this tough time, you know, that really encouraged me, gave me hope, you know, so it's easy to lose hope nowadays.

Well, it would be, it would be, but fortunately God keeps, like, rebounding. And, you know, D.C. is quite different. I'm from California, I'm from the Bay Area, so D.C. is quite a different animal from that, and the culture of the National Prayer Breakfast and even the culture of probably the audience of Fruit Talk is quite different than, you know, my peers and my audience in Silicon Valley.

So, you know, it's refreshing, but it's also good to see that God is at work in both environments. And so, Ted, I apologize, I'm not familiar. What is your audience in Silicon Valley? Well, my audience in Silicon Valley is the technologists that are there. No, I mean, if you've got a radio show or you have a TV show or... I have a podcast. Yeah, I have a podcast, the Innovate podcast.

It's available on Spotify, it should be on Apple iTunes very soon, but right now it's on Spotify, and people can check that out, too, and we also have events that we do. What is the Innovate podcast, what is it about? It's all about getting collaborative efforts among the community, you know, leaders of the faith community, social service providers, government leaders, technologists, business leaders, and if we can get them all together, focused outwards, you know, my message to the faith community is get your mind off of what's happening inside the four walls and put your focus on what's happening in the community, and if we can all come together to address the biggest challenges that are facing humanity, things like human trafficking, things like prison recidivism, and big problems like that, and when we all come into alignment, we all share our resources and we work together, that's when the magic happens. So that's what my nonprofit Innovate is all about, and that's what we talk about on the podcast, we talk about bringing greater innovation into the problems that matter most, how we take care of the least of these in our society. And so how do you know Stu?

I played basketball in college with Stu, yeah, he'd hit threes on me and I'd take him inside and elbow him, so yeah, Stu and I go way back to the master's college. I wondered, I wondered, okay, and that being in California, it's all coming into focus, and so I'm so glad he had you call, I got to talk to you, Ted, and find out about the Innovate, and now all of a sudden when you said, well that's my whole thing, Unity, I'm like, well yeah, if that's what your podcast is. My premise has always been that if the followers of Jesus, you know, the Bay Area is the least churched area in our nation, so we are definitely not the Bible belt, okay? And I've been a missionary there for 28 years, I like to use the term social entrepreneur though, because that sounds a bit sexier, but you know, it's a missionary, we're representing Jesus. My premise has always been that if we as followers of Jesus, you know, we have a branding problem, but the branding problem also goes to our heart too, we're selfish, self-centered, but if we can re-present ourselves to the world, as we're the ones, one, we've got to stop being so fragmented and so divided and fighting with each other. We've got to be united, and what are we united around? We're united around demonstrating our faith, not by what we say we believe, but by what we do.

We're the ones that take care of the poor, we do it with passion, and we do it with excellence. If we can do those two things, be united and take care of the poor well, with passion and excellence, where there's been resistance, instead we're going to see open doors in favor. That has been my premise my whole career, and I tell you it's happening, and I can encourage y'all, God is moving in the San Francisco Bay Area, and followers of Jesus are getting outside of the four walls, they're doing the stuff, and when they do, people want to partner with us, people we never thought of, people that don't come from our religious background, but they want to know what drives you, what makes you different. It's like what the Bible says, right, Ted, that people will see your good works and glorify your Father in Heaven. The Bible says it in quite a few places, you know? We interpret it wrong, yep, yep, yep. Jesus says, hey, if you don't take care of the poor, you know, it's not just an issue of branding, you know, Matthew 25, it's like, maybe you don't even know me at all. In fact, he wasn't saying any maybe, he says, this is what I judged you by, not by what you said you believed, not by what you taught that you believed, not what you wrote in your doctrinal creed, because anyone could say anything. I was watching the score on the game, were you showing love to the people who need it the most when no one else was looking? And you know, that's a message we need to hear, because both groups were surprised, the ones that succeeded and the ones that failed.

So he was warning us, yep. That's beautiful, and it's beautiful that… But we never think of that as an evangelistic tool, but like, you know, my icebreaker is, I've been in and out of prison for the last 18 years. And in Monday, I got to go back to prison for an anger management class.

I haven't been incarcerated, I volunteer and I play basketball inside San Quentin Prison, and it is just beautiful, you know. And I tell people about that all the time, you know, and I meet people in the Bay Area and people in the, you know, I've heard some rumors that people from the Bible Belt, you know, from North Carolina think that the Bay Area is kind of weird. Well, I want to assure you, we are, we're super weird. You might have heard the same rumors about us, you know, Stu, but that's a good weird, you know. I love it. You know, Pete, I'm taller than Stu and I lost my hair, I lost more of my hair than he did.

I'm bald as can be. I hate we're almost out of time, in fact, we are out of time, buddy. Thank you, Ted, for calling in and thank you all so much for listening today. Thank you for having me. Thank you for your podcast. It's Innovate. Go check it out. We'll be back tomorrow. Until next time, stay tuned.