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This is Peter Roseburger. Glad that you are with us today. A lot of stuff going on and we're going to get into it with you.
Want to hear from you. 866-34-TRUTH. 866-34-87-884. How about that? I'm going to say it in different ways here. 866-348-7884.
But it's always 866-34-TRUTH. I want to start off with something about what's going on at the U.S. Capitol right now and I want to get your read on this thing and see what you guys think. Mike Johnson. You all know House Speaker Mike Johnson. He's from Louisiana. Now, this is a bit on the embarrassing side that we're having to deal with this in our nation's Capitol to deal with this issue.
But here we are. And he just announced a new bathroom policy for the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday in response to controversy related to transgender rep-elect Sarah McBride, Democrat of Delaware. That's on the news today. Announced a new bathroom policy.
I mean, it's kindergarten time, isn't it? And he said, all single-sex facilities in the Capitol and House office buildings such as restrooms, changing room and locker rooms are reserved for individuals of that biological sex. Johnson said in a statement obtained by Fox News Digital, it is important to note that each member office has its own private restroom and unisex restrooms are available throughout the Capitol. Women deserve women's only spaces.
Now, why are we doing this? Well, this transgender thing has really taken over so much of our national discourse and they were trying to push it hard in schools. I mean, you saw all the pictures of the drag queens and everything, doing drag queen hour and all that kind of stuff going on with the kids. And there's this, it appears that it's just a real all out assault on our children.
Now, if you're an adult and you want to play with this, there's no laws that says you can't do this, but you can't. Nancy Mace from South Carolina, my home state, said she's going to die on this hill. She said, she's not going to compromise. And she said, basically, in fact, I don't have the quote in front of me, but something to the effect of, look, don't inflict your mental illness on me.
What do you think about this? And what is our role as Christians? Because if the politicians are fighting out on this issue, it would seem to me that the church should be there in the thick of it. Because is this, is this a violation of God's law or not? And if it's a violation of God's law, if it's anti-scripture, then, and I'm not talking about having separate bathrooms, I'm talking about this whole trans ideology. If that is against scripture, then would it not seem appropriate that the church would be weighing in on this the most?
I mean, that's just, I'm throwing that out for our consideration. Are we going to leave these politicians to do the best they can, or is the church going to wield in with church authority and scriptural authority? Whether the world receives it or not, they didn't receive our savior, but that didn't stop him from doing it. And do you follow the train of thought there? So are we equipped to do this? Are we equipped to go into this argument? Because they're not going to stop. And I remember this many, many years ago, that once homosexuality became somewhat normalized, and then it was Barack Obama and Joe Biden that opened up the door for gay marriage and so forth, then Rush Limbaugh said this many, many years ago. He said, they will plumb the depths of more and more deviance because they have to have some type of victim status to be able to champion. The more accepting you are of their sin, the more they're going to sin more in order to gain more inroads.
They have to keep going there. And what does scripture say about sin? Well, sin begets sin. The wages of sin is death.
I mean, sin doesn't do anything but produce more sin. And there's not a point where it's, okay, we've done enough here. And you saw how they even overreached by their standards by going after children. And we're going to talk about that in the next block.
And it's one of the things where you really look at it with almost a sense of, it's just breathtaking how fast they are going down this particular road. And I'd be curious to hear what your thoughts are on this. 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. And what you feel is the church's responsibility to step into this issue and speak from a place of biblical authority. I don't know that it's a very healthy thing for us to just sideline this one out. I think we've done that enough and we've seen what happens when we, you know, sit on the sidelines and we focus on, as one pastor said, we sit on our blessed assurance and, you know, let it all go to pieces around us.
Is that something you feel comfortable doing? Is that something you feel that we need to change? What does your church say? What does your pastor say? What do you see in scripture?
All of those kinds of things you know, this is the time to have those kind of conversations. Otherwise, they're going to, the secular community is going to iron us out and then we're left to deal with the ramifications of this. And I don't know that it's something I feel comfortable, you know, leaving just to the secular community to figure out. If this is a matter of spiritual healthiness, then the church needs to be front and center. And if we can't do it as individuals, maybe you and me, are we supporting and equipping those who can?
Are we getting behind those theologians and those pastors and those churches who are leading this? And they're going to take shots if they do. They're going to take all kinds of problems if they do. But can we, what is our role? What is our role?
And I will give you a little heads up on this, on this issue. I weighed into this some time ago in an article in the Washington Times and talked about the reality of what they're advocating for children and how they've come so far down this road that it's horrific. And, you know, you have to ask, what is it, this fetish to go and corrupt children? And what did Jesus say about that, about hurting little ones, innocent ones?
Better to have a millstone put around their neck and be cast into the sea. Do we still subscribe to that? We're going to talk about that more when we come back. This is Peter Rosenberger.
We'll be right back. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. This is Peter Rosenberger. Glad to have you with us.
866-34, truth, 866-348, 7884, 866-34, truth. We're talking about what's going on at Capitol Hill right now. This is in our nation's Capitol at the House of Representatives, and the Speaker of the House has issued a statement and a formal policy now about biological males using the women's restroom.
And we're doing that because Delaware just elected this individual named Sarah McBride, who was a man and now says that he's a woman. I have strong feelings on that. Actually, it doesn't matter my feelings.
My opinions are irrelevant. What does Scripture have to say about this? And that's where I believe the Church needs to step into this with the full authority of Scripture and let the chips fall where they may. And I will tell you this briefly before we get into this, because they went after children, and this was a big deal in this election. And they're wanting to transgender children. By the way, they haven't stopped wanting to do that.
They just had to go pull back and kind of reset a little bit. But let me put it in another way. I wrote this article in The Washington Times some time ago. My wife is a double amputee, both legs. She got hurt in a car wreck 41 years ago this week, 80-some surgeries. Most of you all know this, and I do a radio program for family caregivers. This is a big part of our life and our work and our ministry.
We have two sons. At no point as my children were growing up did they ever come to me and say, hey, can we amputate one of our feet so that we can be like mom? Had they done such a thing, I would have immediately gotten them serious help. Had any doctor or any teacher advocated for that, I would have pressed charges and gone full tilt on this. So what's the difference? Amputating a normal foot versus amputating a sex organ?
What's the difference? You're amputating a normal functioning healthy part of the human body. And as somebody who deals with amputation like we do, we have a prosthetic limb ministry and we put legs on amputees in West Africa. There's no walking back from amputation. You do not, that's a one-way street.
You do not reverse that particular surgery. And this is what they want to do to children because a kid dresses up in a tutu one day and then we decide we got to go ahead and mutilate the kid. Now this is what the left was promulgating. They didn't make any secret about it. They're still doing it. They still want to do it. There's a lot of them out there that are still overt about this.
A lot of them have gone covert after the election, but just give them time. And you saw what they were doing with kids with school and all that kind of stuff and try to normalize this behavior. What's the role of the church? Jerry in Dayton, Ohio. Jerry, chime in on this.
Tell them what your thoughts are and share your thoughts on this subject because you say you got some and I'd like to hear what you have to say. Well, we don't have Jerry. Jerry, you with us? Jerry, you with us? Jerry? Jerry? Well, I don't have Jerry. There you are. There you are. You're driving evidently. Yes, I am.
All right. Tell me your thoughts on this, Jerry. Well, you know, they're pushing the agenda hard to get accepted. If everybody tells them it's okay, then in their eyes, you know, it's all right.
It's acceptable. They know it's wrong. That's why they want the acceptance from everybody else. And, you know, this whole bathroom issue, you know, they first of all, they think that they don't have a mental health issue. They think God made a mistake.
Well, we know that doesn't happen. And they don't want to hear that. So if we tell them it's okay and they're fine and it's normal, then they can accept and think they're not doing anything wrong. And they know that they are. That's why they want us to give them their approval. That's what they're seeking for is approval. They don't have to have a guilty conscience if everybody tells them it's okay.
Let me ask you a question on that subject, Jerry, on that subject. Do you think that even if everyone's telling them okay, do you still think there's guilt somewhere in their soul that they're feeling? Absolutely. That's why they want our approval. If there was no guilt in their soul, then why would they care what we think?
That's a good question. If they had no guilty conscience whatsoever, if they didn't deep down know that they were doing something wrong, then they wouldn't care what our approval is. We don't seek for approval and we're doing something right. At what point do you think, you know, and the danger is, of course, that Scripture will lose to this and it's kind of, you don't know where necessarily that line is, but at some point, it's kind of like, okay, we're going to have to do something wrong. It's kind of, you don't know where necessarily that line is, but at some point, God gives them over to a depraved mind. Well, you know, they have free will, they have a choice, and they, you know, if you agree with me and tell me it's okay, then I'm okay with it and I move on.
You know, they're denying their problems and they're wanting the acceptance so they don't know what they're doing. Well, it's a certainly interesting observation you made. What are your thoughts on...
I'm sorry you cut out there. What are my thoughts on what? What the church's role on this is. Well, you know, Scripture says not to let there be a hint of immorality.
We all know this is immoral, you know, and just the fact that they're putting in public is that their hint of immorality, and then wanting to use the opposite gender's bathroom is yet another hint of immorality. So what would you like to see the church doing as far as addressing this issue? Well, among this and many other issues, I think the church collaboratively needs to start standing up for biblical principles. The majority is not getting their way. The loud voices are getting their way and they're they're really repressing all the biblical principles that they can, and we're not fighting back. We're not standing up for what's right. Romans 1 alludes to suppressing the truth, and we have a mandate from our Savior to communicate the truth. And even though the world will revile us and hate us, they hated him, they're going to hate us. Do you feel like this is a loaded question, Jerry, so feel free not to answer, but do you feel like your church and your pastor is taking this kind of stand?
Absolutely they are, yes. They, in fact, they've done some stuff in the past that made me question, you know, where this is coming from. So I went straight to the pastor and said, why are you taking a stand on this? And when he explained the principles, biblical principles behind why he's doing what he's doing, it made total sense. Made a lot of sense.
Made a lot of sense. Well, listen, we're up against a hard break here, and I've got to run. Jerry, thank you.
Thank you for weighing in. This is Peter Rosenberger. We'll be right back. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. This is Peter Rosenberger.
Glad to have you with us. 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884, Romans chapter 1, verse 18. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
That's what we were talking about in the last segment. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them, for his invisible attributes, namely his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived ever since the creation of the world, and the things that have been made so they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile, and their thinking and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal men and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore, God gave them up in the lust of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is blessed forever. Amen.
This is what it says. Romans goes on to say, Romans 1, For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions, for their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetous, malice, and they are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. Now, my question to you is, I mean there it is, right there, that is Romans chapter one. Number one, do we believe this?
Do we believe that that is the inspired, inerrant Word of God? And if so, what are the implications? What is our responsibility with that? And that brings us to what we're talking about today because we have right now, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America, is having to put a policy that biological men are not allowed to use a women's restroom. Now, given that reality that is happening in our nation's capital, they're having to make news about it because some guy in Delaware decided he was a woman and he's going to run for Congress and he's going to get elected to Congress. You saw the meltdown, I think it was on CNN, of one guy when they referred to somebody who was transgender as a guy and this pundit, so I don't know who he was, but he just had a meltdown right there because he refused to allow somebody else to refer to that individual as a he.
Are we buying into the cosplay sickness by calling him a she? And are we upholding what scripture is teaching right there in Romans chapter one? These are very, very difficult questions that we need to bring out and we need to look at and we need to look at the light of our faith. What does scripture say? And if you'll notice, by the way, that Satan did not tempt Eve, and thereby extension with Adam, none of them were tempted, neither of them were tempted to commit adultery, neither of them were tempted to do a fraction of the stuff we see in our society. What they were tempted to do was to question the veracity of the word of God. That is Satan's oldest play and everything comes down to, hath God said? And so I ask you, Christian, what do you believe? Hath God said?
And yes, he has said. And do we stand on it? And when you start questioning the word of God, then you see here's where we are. And that the world is going to keep pushing and pushing and pushing until the United States Congress has to decide the bathrooms.
You see how absurd we've allowed this to get. Mike in Dayton, Ohio. Mike wants to weigh in on this. Mike, what are your thoughts?
Well, my thoughts, it's awful that, you know, the Congress has to do something like that. Well, I'm glad he stood up to it a little bit, you know, saying, hey, women, you know, men can't go in women's bathrooms. We got other bathrooms for the men to go into if they don't want to go in the men's bathroom.
Here's the here's the issue I have. We as Christians, we're the great commission is we're supposed to make disciples of men. You know, Matthew 28, 19, and through 20, you know, we're supposed to make disciples of men, baptize them in the name of the Father, Holy and Son.
I'm a little nervous, sorry. Obey, you know, everything that commanded you. Well, there's there it is right there. We're supposed to teach people how to obey what God's laws are. We're not just supposed to immediately save them and let them go to church and have be entertained. We're posted to teach them the ways of God and understand what's right and wrong. Well, and we can't even save them. So that's not even our work is to save them. He said, preach and teach.
That's it. Results are God's department. Yeah, I agree about the results. Yes.
We don't look for the results. One saved is amazing. You know, I mean, it's more than than 100 saved. You know, one is more just as the precious. We're not well, I think, I think the scripture you're alluding to is when one center repents, all of heaven rejoices when even one center repents. Yeah. And so, yeah, but our job is to be obedient. We're not we're in sales, not management. Yeah, that's exactly right, sir. And then that's what I'm trying to get across that.
We I think the church is, when we have converters, or people that want to follow God. As I was growing up, I really didn't have too many people come to me and say, Hey, what are you doing, Mike? What's your, you know, let me help you here. Let me be your friend. Let me be your disciple. Let me be your checkmate. Let me do what I need to do.
And you know what, I'm taking up that mantle. I'm in my church and my, my surroundings. I'm, I'm asking people, how's your walk with God?
How are you doing? Are you are you, you know, following God? Are you going towards God? Are you praying? Are you reading your Bible? What's, what's your, what's your thing?
What's going on with your life? You know, and I ask hard questions. And I, I think Christians need to ask more of those hard questions to make sure that they're following God the way God wants them to follow. We need to be disciples and me and mentors towards, towards other Christians and, and, and try to be a godly, righteous man. Well, I don't, I don't want to put myself, I don't want to put myself in a position to make sure somebody else is doing it the right way. I want to put myself in a position to ensure that I've given as much as I know to give to better equip them to do it. And there is a difference because I don't have the ability to make sure anybody does anything.
But what I do have the ability is to, to, to bear witness to what God has done in my life. And this is what I do with the people that I talk with, the fellow, my fellow caregivers and others. And I ask them, I start off with a question, how are you doing? What's going on with you?
How are you doing? I'm not here to go through a checklist of, you know, are you doing this right? Are you doing this right? Are you doing this right? I'm doing, I'm just simply saying, what's going on with you?
And, and then I bear witness to what God has done in my life. And I think though, as we go back to this issue here, are we going to allow Mike Johnson and others to fight this battle without the full-throated support of the Church of Jesus Christ? Or are we going to, we're going to passively sit this one out or are we going to get involved? And that's the question I have for you, Mike.
And for those who are listening, are we sitting it out or are we getting involved? Mike Johnson Well, you know, I, I'll, I mean, I'll, I'll ask, you know, I'll, I'll call my Congressman. I don't hesitate to call my Congressman. Darrell Bock Actually, call your pastor. Mike Johnson Call my pastor as well, yeah. Darrell Bock Yeah, call your pastor first. Your Congressman, your Congressman will fight.
They're already fighting. Mike Johnson is doing it. He's, he's making a stand. The question is, are we going to shore him up as the Church? Mike Johnson Yeah. Darrell Bock Where's the Church stand? And so I would say, yes, you can call your Congressman.
Please do. However, what does your pastor say about this? Mike Johnson Yeah. Darrell Bock What does your denomination say about it if you're involved in a denomination? If you're involved in a non-denominational Church, you know, what do the elders of the Church say?
What does the Church leadership? And Christian, what do you say? And that's why I'm having this conversation today. Mike, you thank, I really do appreciate you calling in today.
Thanks so much. This is Peter Rosenberger. This is Truth Talk Live. We've got more to go and I've got something special I want to play for you in next block, okay?
You're going to love it. It's a little treat from my wife, Gracie. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. This is Peter Rosenberger.
Glad that you're with us. I was just listening to Dr. Gary Chapman on the break there and he was talking about the love languages and how do you know, how can you keep the love going after you've fallen in love, out of love. I married a woman who had a horrific car wreck a couple of years before I met her. Her name is Gracie. And Gracie was driving from Nashville to Little Rock and she had a wreck before she even got to Memphis on Interstate 40 and nearly died. And they didn't think she'd live, much less walk, much less have children, much less live to see her grandchildren. It didn't come without cost, Gracie's had, that I can count in her lifetime, 86 operations. She's facing two more in January. And then she's lost both legs.
She gave one of them up in 91 and the other in 95. They tried to save her legs and in doing so it doomed her to a life of orthopedic trauma. This is what most of this has been about with all of her surgeries. And her back is a mess.
She lives with chronic pain and she has a very difficult life. Now she's tough. She's tougher than a Waffle House steak. And she learned to snow ski as a double amputee. And she's gone out on big stages and performed.
She's a no kidding singer. She launched a prosthetic limb outreach called Standing with Hope where she, after she gave up her legs, she said, I walked in on her. She was still late in the hospital and her right leg had been healed up for four years. She'd been wearing a prosthesis for that. But then this is her brand new amputation with her left leg. And she said, I know what I'm going to do. And it kind of jarred me. And I said, what are you going to do, babe?
And she said, I'm going to put legs on people and tell them about Jesus. And we've been doing that now for almost 20 years. We have a program where we recycle prosthetic limbs. We collect limbs from all over the country.
They go to a prison in Arizona run by an outfit out of Nashville called CoreCivic. They manage prisons and inmates volunteer to help us disassemble the legs so we can recycle all the usable parts. And then we'll buy more parts and more equipment and ship all of this over there to West Africa.
Some things we can buy locally there in West Africa and Ghana where we work. And we'll build a brand new leg for somebody. And they go walking and leaping and praising God.
It's that simple. And there's a patient we got this month. There's a lady named Victoria, 54 years old. There's three children, diabetic, lost her leg.
And now she's able to go back to work and take care of her family. And you can see all of that at our website, standingwithhope.com. And I'd love for you to get involved. Giving Tuesday's coming up.
And it's the end of the year. And if you want to be a part of that, if you want to give the gift that keeps on walking, we'd welcome the help. I got something special for you because this week my wife was fighting for her life 41 years ago. Nobody thought she'd live, but God knew differently. And she recently sang a song. Gracie has been singing since she was a kid. She was a featured soloist on tours with big organizations and all kinds of stuff. And we've been doing music together for a very long time. And she's a no kidding singer.
And that's what she does. And I think about the love language Dr. Gary Chapman was talking about. The euphoria of falling in love, that comes and goes. But when you're caring for somebody with a broken body, you learn a lot about love and a lot about life. And my wife, her love language is her voice. And that when she sings, she's not broken.
And it's extraordinary. And she sang this song two weeks ago. She cut this track.
We've been working on getting all the track stuff. And then she cut it. And she was on her wheelchair, on her knees, in her wheelchair. She was wearing her prosthesis, but she took them off because it was uncomfortable and she wasn't feeling very well. So I had the microphone brought into her and she was on her knees in her wheelchair. And she sang this song that you're getting ready to hear.
I want to just to play it for you. And it's, as we go into the Thanksgiving season, Thanksgiving can be difficult for a lot of people. Some of you will spend Thanksgiving in a hospital. Some of you will have an empty chair. Some of you will have to help feed Thanksgiving dinner to a loved one who's impaired and who can't feed themselves.
And some of you will look across the table at somebody who no longer recognizes you. Those are hard things. And just as we talked about in this program today of the hard things we're dealing with as a nation and our culture, we're going to bring it down to the hard things we deal with just as human beings. That is the human condition with all this brokenness that we have in our society, in our existence as human beings. But we have so much to be thankful for. Ultimately we're thankful for the redemptive work of Christ. And we as Christians should be beyond anyone more thankful than anybody because we understand what more of what Christ did for us on the cross. I don't think we could fully appreciate it because I've said for years that sin is a bigger problem than we think it is and the cross is a bigger deal than we can ever imagine.
Cicero said that gratitude is the virtue from which all others spring. Let this season, however difficult it may be for us, and Gracie and I know what those are like. We've spent Christmas in the hospital. We spent things last year, New Year's, her birthday, Valentine's Day, Thanksgiving. We've done it all. I think we've spent every holiday in the hospital. Some of my favorite, I guess my favorite holiday is Arbor Day because you just plant a tree and you walk away and nobody gets hurt. There's no parade, there's no gifts, there's no drama.
But the holidays can be tough for us. And so I wanted you to have this. It's available wherever you listen to music, Amazon, Apple, Spotify, wherever. But I wanted to just play it for you all today. And it's an exquisite song that Gracie did and to express her heart and her love for us. And to express her heart because this is her love language, as Dr. Gary Chapman was saying. This is how she expresses her great gratitude. And you can see more about her at standingwithhope.com.
This is my wife, Gracie. In mother's eyes I know it's almost paradise I say, oh my, oh my, it's almost paradise I say, oh my, oh my. Thank you for the sunshine. Thank you for the light. Thank you for the moonshine. Thank you for the pain in the night. Thank you for the big climb. Thank you for the wall. Thank you for my life.
I'm thankful for it all. I run through fields of majesty. I go in and out of reality.
I run back to my enemy. I dive deep down inside of me. I hear whispering in the trees. I hear their ancient melodies. They share their memories they sing.
We are a family and I sing, oh my, oh my, it's almost paradise I sing, oh my, oh my. Thank you for the sunshine. Thank you for the light. Thank you for the moonshine. Thank you for the pain in the night. Thank you for the big climb.
Thank you for the wall. Thank you for my life. Thank you for my life. I thank you for it all. Cause it's a beautiful light that we're living in. So I stand in his light and I see everything.
My, my, oh my. Thank you for the sunshine. Thank you for the light. Thank you for the moonshine. Thank you for the pain in the night. Thank you for the big climb.
Not softening the fall. Thank you for my life. Thank you for the laughter. Thank you for the chains. Thank you for the madness. Thank you for the dance. Thank you for forgiveness.
Not softening the fall. Thank you for your love. I'm thankful for it all. I'm thankful for your love. I'm thankful for it all. I'm thankful for it all. Truth Talk Live! Another program powered by the Truth Network.
