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You know, this is a live show. We would love to know your thoughts specifically about Robert Kennedy Jr., right? Here's a Democrat.
And how does that flesh up against the whole idea of right to life and those kind of things? And, you know, we did a show right after the election that I was so excited to hear so many different points of view. As we ask you to call in and share, you know, as a Christian, who did you vote for? Why did you vote for them? And I was so intrigued and thankful for all the Democratic callers that called in, and certainly all the Republican callers as well.
But I got to hear some points of view that I'd never heard before. And so we would love, love, love your points of view today on today's show as you guys make the show. And we would love for you to call us.
636-348-7884. What do you think God's up to in these nominations for the Trump cabinets? And, really, especially Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And so today, to join us today, I'm so excited.
I really, really am. We have Cicely Routman, and she is the president of the Jewish Pro-Life Foundation, right? An educational nonprofit founded in 2007 to promote life-saving solutions to unplanned pregnancy in the Jewish community. And a Jewish pro-life voice in the public square. So Cicely is 100% Jewish and celebrated in a bat mitzvah in 1972.
She obtained her Master's of Social Work degree at the University of Pittsburgh. So, Cicely, this is a different kind of day, isn't it? Yes, Robbie, thank you so much for having me on your show. And I want to say hi to all your listeners.
Yes, it is a different day. We are going into, God willing, a much better time now in America. I just want to introduce myself in one more way to say that our educational work is not political, but I'm weighing in today as a way to educate your listeners about how Jewish people feel about the appointment and what we feel about life issues and what our Torah says. And I hope your audience is interested in those sorts of things. Very. Well, I know I'm very, very, very interested in myself and interested in that perspective because I know that you are really excited about the Robert Kennedy nomination, right? Well, I am.
And I'll tell you why. First of all, I've been a health freedom advocate for a long time, and he certainly has championed health freedom in this country. I think it's very important. That's the first part of it. But I think he's a very interesting character because he has confessed recently in an interview that he believes all the defamation that the Democrat Party put out there about Trump. And he's learned since that it was all lies. And now he's come to believe that Trump is a great man.
He's talented, exceptionally effective and really good for the country. And this shows me that that Kennedy is very open minded. And that's a really good sign and that he's willing to change.
I don't know a lot of Democrats that are like that. So he's a very interesting person. And I think another reason he's like that in the same interview he talked about being in recovery and that he prays and meditates every day. So certainly he has a relationship with God and he's growing spiritually. And I think that's very important for anybody working in government because it informs and motivates them in a certain godly way instead of a secular way. Some people have concerns about his abortion rhetoric in his campaign, but I believe that I just have an intuitive sense because he's Catholic and he's a family man that he's probably against abortion personally, but he can't say that. And he certainly couldn't say that in his campaign or he would not get a dime from Democrat donors, though he has been steeped in the choice culture for his whole life. And I think getting deeper into it than the Kennedy, he is a man that's truly interested in the health and welfare of people and children especially. So I am excited about him bringing his expertise into that, about that into the Trump administration. Right. And so you have quite a bit of influence yourself in helping people understand a lot of things when it comes to the pro-life movement, so to speak. And so you yourself, how did you come into this line of work?
I guess a great question. Thank you. Yes, well, it wasn't my idea, Robbie.
This was not on my radar. I was neutral at best on this subject for many years. I grew up in a regular all-American Jewish suburban family. My parents found a thriving business.
You know, the three daughters were raised to be successful, marry nice Jewish boys, give my parents lots of grandchildren, all that stuff. But I got sick in my late teens. And for about 20 years, I languished with an undiagnosed issue, which is my brought me much deeper spiritually.
I eventually did find people to help me with all that. But that period of my life took me out of the normal Jewish culture. And so I was not raised with these ideas that so many young Jewish people are now raised with, which is that abortion is legal in Judaism, that abortion is a religious right, that abortion saves women's lives.
I didn't have much of that at all. And I wasn't dating, so I wasn't interested in the issue. But in 2005, I listened to a National Public Radio show.
They were reviewing the ban on partial abortion. And I heard a Jewish woman declare in a very strident voice that she had a right to do this and it was a religious right. And I was shocked and concerned. I thought, people listening to this are going to think that all Jewish people feel this way. And I didn't feel that way. So I started looking into it.
I found there was no Jewish pro-life voice in the public square that National Public Radio could interview. And I realized that abortion was just a terrible thing and no Jewish person should be involved in it at all. I hate to jump in on you at this point in the story, which is getting so good. We'll be right back. We've got to go to a break. Today's show is What Is God Up To in the Trump Cabinet with the Robert F. Kennedy nomination and its pro-life ramifications. So what do you think?
866-348-7884. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. Today's show, What Is God Up To in the Trump Cabinet, specifically with the nomination of Robert Kennedy. It's an interesting thing, and we're so excited to have with us—well, first of all, we want your call.
I mean, nothing would be better for me than to hear what you think. I'm telling you. 866-348-7884 is the number to call in and share. What do you think?
866-348-7884. But as I mentioned, we have Cicely Routeman with us, and she is amazing. I mean, she is the president of the Jewish Pro-Life Foundation, and that's an educational nonprofit. We were hearing that story, but actually, before we finish that, I have to know just personally, Cicely, I hope I'm saying that right. Cecily. Cecily. Oh, like, oh, man, I can't believe I messed up. It's Cecily.
All right, so Cecily Routeman. How do you spell that in Hebrew? Oh, well, it's pronounced lethal in Hebrew, actually.
Well, how's it spelled in Hebrew? I don't know. Ah, well, that's okay. That's all right. On the next break, you can think about it. I would just love to know.
Does it start with a somic, or does it start with a shin or sin? Oh, no, no, no. I'll share that in the next break. Okay.
Because when I hear that sound, I'm like, okay, what is that name? I find that fascinating. So if you're just tuning in, I was fascinated, I hope you were too, that she heard this Jewish woman say that she had a religious right to make this choice for an abortion, and being shocked, as I imagine, knowing how much God loves life, it puts you in a place where obviously, like, this can't be what the Torah says, right? So did you start to do some study, or where did you go from there? Well, I started studying, and I realized that we really needed to not only educate the general public, but we also needed to educate our Jewish people, because our law that was given to us by God at Mount Sinai, well, we've had 2,000 years for it to get distorted by many opinions laid over the Torah, much like our Constitution started with a right to life, and then by 1973, we had a right to kill our unborn children, and harm women, and enable sex trafficking, and now we have laws on the books that prohibit sending abortifacients through the mail, but they are ignored, nobody's prosecuted for that, so the law itself is ignored and overlaid with all these different opinions, and that's what happened in Jewish law.
It's a shame. So we have a lot of people now that do not understand, so we're in the business of re-educating our Jewish people, so we go all the way back to the word of God, from Genesis on through, and it's very clear that Judaism is very pro-life, we were the first religion in human history to sanctify human life from conception, and to ban child sacrifice, so I love what we do, and I think God is pleased with us, and I'm just grateful to you that we have a microphone today and we can share our work. We also have a healing program, there's a lot of Jewish people that suffer after abortion, they don't understand why they're so unhappy, because their friends and family have told them they have done nothing wrong, and of course they've sinned deeply against God, and destroying his image is about the worst thing a person can do.
Now we also have an understanding in Judaism, if you sin because you didn't know, then the penalty's not so great and repentance is quite available, then there's another idea in Judaism, if you allow people to sin and you don't say anything, that's worse than the sinning, so very interesting. So in the spirit of Abraham, who spread the word of God to a pagan world at that time, I try to do that just for the joy of serving God, and also so that I don't bear the sin of my brothers and sisters, because I will. Right, which I have a microphone, I'll tell you this story, that I think is so impactful, it's something you'll never forget if you're me. So one time they asked me to do some work at the Association of Christian Counselors event, National Convention in Nashville, Tennessee, and they wanted me to do a hundred interviews of a hundred counselors in a weekend. So I was praying, I was like, God, give me a question that would really just bring out what it is that you want to highlight in their work. And the question he gave me was actually from the book of 2 Corinthians chapter 1, it says God comforts us that we might comfort others with the comfort that he comforted us with. And so I just simply looked at each counselor and I said, so when I say this verse to you, God comforted us with the comfort he comforted us with, that same thing I just said.
I said, what does that mean in your life? And one by one, I was shocked that almost every single counselor, whatever area of expertise they had, if they were a divorce counselor, they'd been divorced. But in the case of abortion, every single one of them had had an abortion, and every single one of them had had wrecked their psyche, it had wrecked their life. And there were even men that counseled other men that were involved in the process, that whether you want to think it's a sin or whatever, you can see the pain and the hurt. Just like you say, these people know that they've done something. And for those of you who may be out there that have gone through that, there is repentance available.
God does obviously want to heal you with it, but there is something to be dealt with. And so often, people say we're as sick as our secrets, right? And actually, I had one of those counselors, and here we are, we're on the radio, right? This is live on lots of stations, and one of these ladies is sitting next to her husband, and she says, Robby, I've never told anybody this, but...
Right? And out it came, and it was like freedom as she let out what she'd been trying to hold back all those years, and just as you said, Cecily, that repentance is available, right? Yes, and it's essential. Abortion causes a spiritual wound. It separates us from God. It's very painful living that way. As I said, I was only spirited because I was sickly, and I thank God so much now for those dark years, because I didn't have to go through that.
I don't think I'd be alive right now. I get so disturbed when I kill even like an ant or a spider or something. Life is so precious, Robby, and it's so mystical.
The animating force is beyond human understanding, and we need to protect it. We have now in this country so many people that are separated from God for whatever reason, and they don't understand what that gift of life is about, and they don't have a relationship with God, so they don't understand their intrinsic worth, and so unkindness goes a long way. And yes, abortion is almost ubiquitous now. If you haven't had one, you've paid for one, been involved with one, been affected by one, you're a sibling of somebody that's died in that way. So we're all suffering from it. I believe that because all children are the same Heavenly Father, we're all connected. So whenever a baby perishes like this, and they're tortured to death, that's just another problem. It's decidedly unkind, right? We feel the pain of each one because we're all connected.
Wow. Yes, you're so right. We've got to go to another break, I'm afraid, Cecily. But good news is we have Jamal. He wants to chime in on the conversation. Hang with us, Jamal. Hang with us, Cecily.
And of course, if you want to chime in, we would love to hear from you. 866-348-7884, 86634-TRUTH, and oh, there's some information about Robert Kennedy you're going to love when we come back. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live today, and we are talking about what is God up to in the Trump cabinet nomination, specifically of Robert Kennedy Jr. And, you know, as we were talking about this whole idea of abortion, you know, what could Robert Kennedy Jr., how could he affect that? 866-348-7884, 86634-TRUTH for the number to call in and share. We lost Jamal during the break.
He maybe had to go, but he'll come back, I hope. 866-348-7884, very exciting. We have Cecily Rautman with us, and she, again, is the president of the Jewish Pro-Life Foundation, and it's a nonprofit that studies things and gets word out. But one of the things I read in a recent article that you wrote, and I love all the work that you guys are doing, it's amazing, but in that article you mentioned, and for those of us who saw the movie Unplanned, or even know anything about this pill, like, oh my goodness, that comes right out of the Federal Drug Administration and all those people, that that pill is one of the most dangerous things anybody's ever created, isn't it?
It's absolutely terrible, yes. And I hope that Robert Kennedy will go in there and clean up the FDA, like he's promised to do, and while he's there, he'll remedy the problems about this abortion pill, this medication abortion, they call it, and another sanitized language propaganda piece. What it is, it's a death pill, it's a kill pill. It was actually manufactured by a subsidiary of IG Farben. The German company made the gas that killed millions of people in China. Oh no, I did not know that. Yes, it was a French subsidiary, and then the Clinton administration brought it over, and to my understanding, nobody knows who owns Danko, who now owns that, the patent for it or whatever. Anyway, I hope Kennedy will take care of that problem too. He has said that the people that sit on the FDA approval boards work for pharmaceuticals, and they actually get remunerated for passing these drugs without safety testing, without due diligence to make sure that they're not dangerous, and this pill is very dangerous.
And now it's completely unregulated. You do not need to have a physical exam, an ultrasound to even show that you're pregnant or how far along you are, or if you have an ectopic pregnancy, which is very dangerous for women if it's not surgically remedied. You can get the pills through the mail. You can get the pills internationally overseas. You can get the pills through the internet without prescriptions now.
The FDA relaxed the limits for the pill, so it started out at eight weeks, now it's 10 weeks, but many women take it beyond that, so they're having incomplete abortions. They're showing up at ERs in greater numbers than even women that undergo first trimester surgical abortions, and there's enough of those women that get damaged. So, yes, it's very dangerous, and I'm hoping that his dedication to safety in pharmaceuticals helps.
You know, health and human services means you have to be somewhat concerned with healthy women and healthy babies. And he got started on this because he's a very successful attorney, and he sued and won lots of different environmental pollution cases. Monsanto, he was successful against Monsanto for the glycosate-causing cancer. He's been successful with the mercury in the waterways to get that out, and that's what brought him into the Children's Health Defense Movement, where mothers approached him to please help them with the pharmaceuticals that are tainted with preservatives and ingredients that harm children. So this is how he's grown over the years.
Talk about God working in interesting ways. I think he has prepared Kennedy for this job. And another really interesting preparation is that because he's worked with the Clean Water Act, the pro-life leadership now is looking to bring litigation because of the abortion chemicals getting in the wastewater. Now it's poisoning everybody because our wastewater systems don't filter out these drugs. So everybody's now getting a good dose of RU-486 in their drinking water, and God willing, Robert Kennedy will look into that and stop the use of this drug.
Oh my word, I never even thought about how horrific that whole thought is just like, oh my goodness. It's actually terrifying in its own way, isn't it, that a lot of people that might be wondering why they can't have a baby or whatever, and all those things that they do, they have all sorts of effects. I appreciate your work in studying these things and understanding them and getting them out and writing about them. Communication is a huge part of what's going on. So you guys have a website, or how do you get this information out? Well, it's JewishProLifeFoundation.org, and we have a library full of lots of information, and I've created a lot of memes since 2006. I have a blog, and we post on social media, and I'm available to go speak places, and we show up at Marches for Life and testify that Judaism is pro-life.
It's a wonderful religion. It's the word of God, and I really, truly want to help save Jewish people from the pain and suffering and loss of life that God gives us. So yeah, we're at it all the time, and as I said, we're not political, but we certainly do endorse and promote policies that are life-affirming.
And I know of a lot of good pro-life people that are working in the Trump administration, and I think that Mr. Kennedy will – I think he'll get more and more convinced of our point of view and work as hard as he can to protect children in the womb. We also have some work in Israel that we're doing. We have a Hebrew website there and social media pages and campaigns getting the word out to people in Israel. Yeah, that's another whole – like, isn't – my understanding is abortion is legal in Israel, isn't it?
Yes, well, I must tell you, the background of all this is, how did we get from She's life, that thou mayest live, you and your seed, to what we have today? And I've talked to so many people who say, I have such – I have a really nice Jewish friend. You know, they're a really good person, but they believe in abortion.
How is that possible? So I try to explain this, another part of our work, that we lost a lot of really good righteous holy people in the Holocaust, and there was a vacuum created, and that vacuum was filled up by people that gave up religion. They became communists to escape pogroms in Russia, you know, and in the Soviet Union, and they gave up on religion because they saw their kinsmen dying. So these people came to America and they went to Israel, and they got positions of influence in government, in academia, in law, all these things. So Israel is a very secular government.
It was founded originally as a holy land. And of course, if you read the scripture, God knew we were going to go sideways. And he warned us over and over again that if we just believed in him and worshipped him and lived according to his ways, we would be blessed, and if we went the other way, we would be cursed. And I think this applies to the whole human family.
And it's a way of correcting ourselves, you know, because we have free will. So yes, so Israel is very secular, and they've had illegal abortion since the mid-'70s. And even after Roe went down here, the next day, the health minister expanded access to abortion in Israel. So before, you had to at least go to a committee and show that you really needed to do this deed. And although most women's wishes were granted, at least it was some kind of a governor on the situation.
That was done away with. The pill is very easy to get now there. So yes, and a lot of secular people use abortion as birth control there. Although I have to say, you know, we have a lot of religious traditional Jewish people here and in Israel that are very family-oriented, and that's our saving grace.
But yes, it's normative there. There's not a pro-life movement there, except for a few messianic Christians who are trying their best. And I understand why they're working there.
They see the bloodshed there that's going on, and they want to try to save souls and save lives. And I'm on a friendly basis with those people. But we're bringing up just a basic Jewish mission there, because it's interesting. I'm a very inclusive person. I get along very well with Christian people. There's a lot of Jewish people. We've been taught to avoid Christians, and there's trouble there.
So I like building bridges between Christians and Jews, but there's animosity between them and Israel. And so— Yeah, well, again, I am so grateful for this information. I don't know how else we would get it, Cicely, but I am so grateful for you coming in and sharing this with us. We got another segment where you can get in on the conversation, which I would dearly love.
All you have to do is call 866-348-7884, 866-34-TRUTH. More on what is God up to in the Trump cabinet. We'll be right back. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com.
Welcome back to Truth Talk Live! Today, what is God up to in the Trump cabinet? And we're so excited to have with us Cicely Rautman. She is with the Jewish Pro-Life Foundation, an educational nonprofit. But I would love to have you. Like, what are your thoughts?
866-348-7884, 866-348-7884. So, Cicely, to turn the conversation a little different direction, you know, clearly, you know, the war in Israel has to be near and dear to your heart. And I can imagine that you have some views on Marco Rubio, maybe, or the Trump administration coming in on the war. You know, what are you thinking? Yes, it is near and dear to my heart. Thank you. I do want to encourage your listeners to call, and they can ask me anything they want. I'll be happy to answer any questions.
Please, no. Okay. Yes, well, it's a tragedy what's going on there. I do believe that Israel's protection is biblically testified to through God. So I think while they're fighting for their lives there with military political solutions and diplomatic solutions and all sorts of things, their true protection comes from God.
I agree. So I mentioned the secular nature of the government. I think that they need to go back to God, and then they'll be safe, and everybody will be happy there. But in the meantime, I've been talking a lot about how I believe peace begins in the womb, and the child sacrifice has to stop in order for Israel to ever have peace. Now, in terms of the politics, I think we have a long-standing relationship with Israel. I remember as a child, my parents participating in these bond drives when Israel was reconstituted in 1948.
It was just a moment later that they were invaded. Their enemies there were very unhappy about Israel being there. And so they've been attacked in regular intervals, and people have given a lot of money and time and effort to protect Israel. And I think that's very important, and I'm glad the United States has been an ally of Israel's. I think she's needed that for a very long time. And of course, I want the administration to appoint people that will help support her.
It's very important. The problem in Israel, I think, is besides the whole spiritual aspect, is that we have kept them and enabled them and kept them dependent on the United States for their military activity. So we give billions of dollars to Israel for military items, and then they turn around and go shopping at Lockheed.
And there's people in the United States that do not like that. And I think what we really need to do for Israel is to do some kind of a Marshall Plan, where we go in there and rebuild them their own bullet factory, their own missile factory, their tank factory, their plane factory. Then they can buy steel from us.
I think that that will help them be independent and strong. So when people criticize Israel and our relationship with them and the money we send them to defend themselves, because they say it's not in America's interest, we have other things we should be spending our money on, I don't believe it for that reason. I believe we shouldn't do it because it's not good for Israel. Israel is supposed to depend on God, not another country. And we saw the trouble they got into with the Biden administration, and they didn't want to sell them bullets.
And instead we're giving billions of dollars to Iran in order to attack Israel. So I will try to look at things from a biblical perspective. Yeah, I'd like that. And I love what you said. To go back, I hadn't even thought how profound that is until you said it about the third time, shows how slow I am. But when you said, peace shalom begins in the womb. Like, really, I mean, we're made complete there.
And that's just, that's really a phenomenal statement. And if there isn't, if people aren't safe there, what a horrible situation, you know, that we face there. Yes, well, I think this also applies to the United States.
You know, I think we have a very good chance of improving our country and in many different ways. But I think as well in the United States, if we continue torturing babies to death in the womb, we are undermining our spiritual power. And it doesn't matter how many people want to bless Israel or bless the United States. We have to stop shedding innocent blood in order to prosper and receive God's blessings. So, you know, our country was founded for a moral people. Our republic was founded for a moral people. It doesn't work so well if we're not moral. And Israel was founded originally as a moral nation because the Torah is a moral document. And yet when people abandon that, it doesn't work.
And that's why we're seeing all the problems in the world. It's not only those two countries, though, it's everywhere. Interesting, Robbie, when Ukraine was invaded, I looked up their abortion rate. They have a very busy abortion business in Ukraine, too.
It's terrible. And I think, well, they didn't have God's protection either. And things have really turned around. I just read an article today.
It's so interesting about how Putin now is trying to get Russian people to have babies. They're losing all these people in the war. It's terrible the slaughter that's going on in the world. And I do believe it's because, A, because we take the lives of these children and so God removes his protection. We only can be protected if we're close to him. And we can't be close to him when we destroy his image.
And also because people lack an understanding of basic human kindness. And so we go to war. One of the things that helps me feel good about Trump is he doesn't like people getting killed. And he wants to stop the wars because he doesn't like people getting killed.
And I think that's really great. Yeah, it seemed like one of the immediate things he did, or is doing, is like, here's another plan for Ukraine. You guys killing each other just is not making any sense in the world.
And trying to come out with something as quickly as he possibly can to help in that situation, to help in Israel. And I have to tell you, I had never heard that view on supplying Israel with a Marshall Plan. But wow, that's brilliant.
It really is. I'm like, man, that really, really, really makes all kinds of sense, doesn't it? It's how we rebuild Japan, right? We rebuild Europe and Japan, yes. So why not our ally and let them grow under the grace of God and take care of themselves.
I think it would be a wonderful idea. Well, you know, that I didn't come from me, Robbie. I'm sure it came from the good Lord because every good idea I have doesn't come from him.
I know that feeling. I resemble that remark. I mean, I think that, you know, he gave it to you so that you could just delight in it and communicate it, because clearly you're a wonderful communicator and he's given you the platform in order to give that message. And the message of peace in the womb is a precious, precious message, especially, you know, for any of us who've talked to many post-abortive women, grandfathers, men. Like, you don't get out of that deal without a scar. That's right. Very so. And it's not going to be peaceful.
It's anything but that. But there is always a silver lining, you know, the pain and suffering or the touchstone for returning to God. Right. And God creates each one of us. He knows what we need. I was a very willful person, so it took quite a lot to humble me. And I'm so grateful for that journey now.
And I can impart that experience to other people. I will say one more thing about Robert Kennedy. I know we're running out of time. He's a very brave man.
Just is my opinion. He's a very brave man because his family members were assassinated. He knows how dangerous politics can be. He is threatening a billion dollar industry. Last year, four point two billion dollars lobbying money. To buy off legislators in this country so that they would. Well, do what the what do with the pharmaceuticals wanted them to do. And so that all that money is going to go away. People do not like that. And then, of course, when he's going to be able to appoint directors of these three letter agencies, the CDC, the NIH, the FDA makes him very, very powerful. And there's a lot of corruption in those agencies.
For example, I'll just share with one more thing. The NIH and that's our taxpayer money sends millions of dollars to these universities like Pittsburgh and then to the University of California to do research on babies that are born from abortion. You know, the mother signs a little waiver. Oh, you can use my baby for medical research. And then the baby is born. The baby gets stays alive in their baby. The baby is shipped to a tissue hub at the University of Pittsburgh.
I know this because I've been involved here in this work. And then the baby's organs are harvested while the baby is alive. And this is all documented through the Center for Medical Progress. David Daleiden is a wonderful undercover journalist, and he was sued by who else?
Kamala Harris in California for millions of dollars that he has not stopped working. So, yes, this is happening. And then they take they then they do horrible Mengele like research on these children and using their body parts. We're paying for that. So I am hoping that Robert Kennedy will see will put a stop to that. Now, the Trump administration did stop that.
And maybe they'll stop it again. Wow. Thank you so much, Cecily. It's been just a wonderful time with you today. And I thank you so much for you listening out there. And I certainly pray that we'll all seek God on these issues and pray for our government. And again, thank you so much for your work and thanks for listening today, guys. God bless.
