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This is Peter Burger. Glad that you are with us. 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. If you want to be a part of the program, you just heard at the top of the hour the statistics on Christians and voting. We've had this conversation here for several weeks here on this program and I am firmly convinced that we as Christians have got to get out and vote and be a part of what's going on in our society and our culture. We need to be salt and light.

I know this. There have not been election days coming up Tuesday. You may have seen this in one of your post office box mailings or on the television.

We're going into extra innings of crazy, y'all. But, that said, I wanted to bring someone who's an expert in this field of talking about this and mobilizing Christians to vote. I don't know why Christians have set this one out. The last several elections out, but I've really been dismayed by that. And President of Christians Engaged and she's the author of Jesus and Politics.

And, Bunny, I'm glad to have you with us. So, tell us a little bit what's on your heart and what you'd like to see happen. So, I hope everybody listening today would get on their face and cry out to God for what's happening in our nation. Pray for our elected officials. It's time for us to start voting in every election, not just the presidential year, but local elections and primaries as well.

And start engaging. You know, we should be the leaders in the room, in our school boards, our city councils, our Chamber of Commerce. And that's what we do every day is try to teach and mobilize and activate Christians to be what God's called us to be. Why do you think there's been this continuity of apathy when it comes to voting in the Christian world?

What have you seen that has led to this? Well, I think the problem is much deeper even. I mean, I'm called in our movement the Pray Vote Engage Woman. But I think it even goes deeper than that. I think it's a discipleship issue, Peter, where we're just really not getting in the Word of God. We're not really walking in intimacy with Jesus. And so we forget who we are. And I want to remind our listeners, if you call on the name of Jesus, if you're a born again believer, the same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead lives in you. And that is a powerful force.

And so when you walk in the room, everything's supposed to change. If you are constantly going to the Word for wisdom and discernment and asking God for his thoughts, his desires, what happens is you become the leader that you're called to be. And so sometimes we underestimate the power of who we are. And then we also, Peter, have a weird concept of the sovereignty of God. I don't know how many people have listened to these words, you know, God is in control. You know, it doesn't matter if you vote, it doesn't matter if you engage, because ultimately God is sovereign and he's going to put in kings and all this stuff. Yes, but didn't he limit his sovereignty to us? Meaning we are the hands and feet of Jesus. Didn't he give us dominion over the earth?

Isn't the fullness of the earth his dominion? And, you know, it says, the Apostle Paul says, how will they hear unless there's a preacher? How will they be sent unless they're sent? We have a responsibility to do something. It's just not going to magically happen. And what happens is when the righteous sit out of elections, the wicked, people that do not have a biblical worldview, fill that vacuum.

And that's what we've seen over the last 60 years of American history. Well, people get into a little bit of a snit over things and they think, you know, God doesn't need me to do this. Well, God doesn't need anything. But he invites and he commands and he has told us to be salt and light. He's told us to be a part of this. You see this throughout all of scripture. Paul speaks about this, but in the Old Testament as well, there's this constant theme of being appropriate citizens and praying for the peace of the town or the city or the country that you're living in and so forth.

And being model citizens. I mean, that's a repeated theme. And somehow we've gotten this, well, this fatalistic thing. Well, God's going to work it out.

Well, he does. Somebody said this the other day. I said, do you wear a seatbelt when you get in your car? And they said, well, yeah. I said, tell me why, based on the reasoning you just gave me for not voting.

And that's when the conversation usually takes kind of a weird turn, but that's just me. How did you get involved in all this, buddy? I was a homeschooling mom that started listening to a woman named Laura Ingram on talk radio many, many years ago and really caught a vision for the safety of life issue, working to save the unborn. And that turned into me going back to college, getting my degree in political science and going to work for a member of Congress named Jeff Hensarling. Congressman Hensarling was a sophomore when I started working for him as his campaign manager. And he went on to become conference chairman in the House and financial services chairman and then became started running my own consulting firm with 32 clients and nine people in my office and then ran for Congress.

So, you know, kind of my story, Peter, is my one little yes as a little homeschooling mom turned into a whole bunch of yeses I did not know was coming in the future. And I just want to inspire Christians to take one step. You know, first it's praying, you know, crying out to God, praying for your member of Congress. Believe me, they need prayer after working for them for 20 years. They need your prayers, you know, and then it's showing up, making a commitment to start showing up at this presidential election, but also your local elections next year and the primaries and your constitutional amendment elections or propositions elections.

There's usually, you know, two elections a year in most states make a commitment to do that and then follow your heart. What is the burden of your heart? For me, it was, you know, trying to save the unborn and getting into the pro-life movement. Other people, it's freedom of speech or it's technology issues or foreign policy or Israel.

So we all have these burdens and we allow God to move us into our place of influence. Absolutely. Well said, Bunny. We're going to talk with her some more when we come back. And if you want to join the conversation, 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. This is Bunny Pounds, Christians Engaged, President and Founder, and she's author of Jesus and Politics, and this is Truth Talk Live. I'm Peter Rosenberger.

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I'm talking with Bunny Pounds. She is the founder and president of Christians Engaged, author of Jesus and Politics. And while we're on that subject, by the way, Trump just came out with a tax credit for family caregivers. You all know I host a radio program on this network and others every week for family caregivers. And he said something that was rather extraordinary at Madison Square Gardens. He said, you know, that caregivers for too long have been ignored and overlooked.

And he said that's going to change. And as a caregiver for four decades, I would say thank you for that. I appreciate you doing that because it's hard enough being a caregiver, and it's nice when government is hopefully has a plan to alleviate some burdens as opposed to causing more burdens.

And if you want to see my thoughts on this, you can go to my Substack page out at substackcaregiver.substack.com or just search for Peter Rosenberger under Substack. Bunny, that was my yes. I loved what you said in the last block about you took a yes to getting involved. And it just led to a bunch of other yeses. In my case, it did the same thing. I didn't set out necessarily to have an outreach to family caregivers, but I said yes that I would because I understood how important the issue was.

And that sounds like what happened with you. You started seeing how important the issue was, and you lent your voice to it, and here we are. Tell me a little bit more about Christians Engaged, and what does a day look like for you all? Yeah, well we set out about five years ago to build a get-out-the-vote system, a voter mobilization system for Christians from a nonpartisan perspective, really giving them civics and the Bible and allowing the Holy Spirit to do his work. And so we do that now.

We have built a system that actually reminds people through four texts and four emails around every election in the country. And we were at 225,000 Christians this summer, and we merged with Family Policy Alliance that was started by Dr. James Dobson out of Focus on the Family, that has 41 state family policy groups around the country. And now the whole social conservative movement is pushing in the same direction, and we're almost to 900,000 Christians now.

I think we're going to get close to a million before the presidential election. But we do that, and we also build on-demand video curriculum, which we have eight projects to help Christians get involved in government and politics, and also learn topics like biblical economics, biblical justice, and even how to run for office as a believer. Well, I love civics. I remember studying it in 10th grade at my high school. Did you ever see that movie Radio with Cuba Gooding Jr.? Did you ever see that movie? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I remember that one. That was my high school. That was my high school.

Wow. I went to school with radio. I have four brothers as a sister, and we all went to school with radio. But my civics teacher back then was just a wonderful guy, and I kind of wonder, what kind of civics are they teaching now? And I hear people, I mean, people who supposedly should know better on television, and they refer to things like the electoral college. And I'm thinking... And they don't know that we're a constitutional republic. They always call it a democracy, right?

We're not a democracy. And I'm stunned by this, and I would imagine you are as well. Yeah, it's one of the reasons I wrote my book, Jesus in Politics, One Woman's Walk with God in a Mud Slinging Profession. I wanted to share my crazy stories of walking with members of Congress and trying to disciple people one heart at a time. But I also wanted to teach people the basics of, you know, why are political parties important?

What's a platform? How do we advocate for our values? How do we actually get to know our government officials? And how do we pray for them, encourage them, but yet hold them accountable? And we also have an on-ramp to civic engagement class that people can take on our website. We've had almost 1,500 people go through that class alone, and all of our classes, almost 2,300 Christians have gone through one of our six to eight hour classes.

So that makes me really excited. If somebody listening right now wants to get involved, what's the best place for them to go? Where do they start? Yeah, go to ChristiansEngage.org. That's Christians with an S, Engage with an D.org. Take the pledge to pray, vote, and engage, and you'll get prayer reminders every Monday, voting reminders. We're even doing an election prayer call with the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, on Sunday night. So you can register for that along with incredible pastors and ministry leaders. And then get in one of our classes. We always tell people, take the pledge to pray, vote, and engage, and get in one of our classes and let God move you into your place of influence. We want to help mentor you into that place.

And we've seen God do it all over the country. That's ChristiansEngage.org. And for those of you in McDonkin, that is not a dating site.

That is not a dating site. ChristiansEngage.org. And if people want to get your book, Jesus and Politics.

Yeah, they can get it on the website or on Amazon, ChristianBook.com, wherever you get your books. Just type in Bunny Pounds, Bunny with an I, and yes, that is my real name. I was named after Billy Graham's daughter. And Bunny Pounds and Jesus and Politics.

It's a fun book. Well, I think that's marvelous that you've done this, and you're trying to mobilize one million Christians. Okay, they're at $900,000 and some change. How about we help them push that over?

Okay? Yeah, we can reach a Christian for $2. Yes, so help us.

Yes, please. It is a worthwhile – and if you listen to this network at all, you hear these various ministers talking in between the breaks, and they're saying all the same things about being involved, about trusting God with this. And back to the representative form of government, did you know that the whole foundation of how God deals with us, is through a federalist, a representative, if you will, a government. Whereas in Adam, one man sinned. People say, you know, it's not fair.

I wasn't at the Garden. Well, you weren't at the Cross either, because one man is one man sinned. One man also bore the penalty for that sin and imputed his righteousness to us. And so this is how God functions, and the founders of this country understood this. They came out of the Reformation, and they understood these principles.

They also understood that the heart of man is exceedingly wicked. And, Bunny, you've been around the political world for a long time. I think you'd probably get an amen on that one. Amen. And we do this work, Peter, every day. We do it to protect liberty in the country, to see the body of Christ rise up in this hour, is to protect our liberty, our economic prosperity, for the purpose of the Gospel, to go to the ends of the earth. I mean, I'm not just doing a civic engagement ministry just for fun.

I believe America is crucial for the world evangelism and for Jesus to come back. I have never seen such stark differences in this election season as I have in this election season, particularly when I was watching Michelle Obama speak the other day and then, of course, Kamala Harrison. And they just keep driving home how important abortion is to them.

Even though the number of abortions has not gone down since Roe vs. Wade was sent back to the states. And this is the seminal issue that they're pitting families against and husbands against wives in this new commercial and so forth, over this horrific issue. And, Bunny, I want you to know how much I appreciate the work you're doing. You're working hard. And I thank you for being on the program. Will you come back after all the election season is over, okay? We would love to report. Thank you, Peter. Alrighty.

BunnyPounds, BunnyPounds.com, or you can go to ChristiansEngage.org. Thank you so much for being a part of this, Bunny. And, listen, don't go away.

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86634 Truth. You know, if you know anything about our story with my wife and I, you know that we just cling to the redemptive work of God. And we've seen it over and over and over in our lives. And the four decades that we've been dealing with such very difficult things. And I've seen God work redemption in our lives as a couple, as we've struggled with Gracie's injuries, and through 80-something surgeries, both her legs amputated. And God is able to weave glory and beauty to himself through these things.

It's astonishing to watch. In fact, on our prosthetic limb ministry we have, which I could use your help with, Gracie envisioned this after giving up both of her legs, and she puts legs on fellow amputees and tells them about Jesus. What a picture of redemption! And we collect used limbs from all over the country.

They go to a prison in Arizona that's run by CoreCivic out of Nashville, a wonderful company that manages prisons. And it's a volunteer program. It's a faith-based program that inmates will help us disassemble these limbs so that we can take those parts, ship them over to Ghana, purchase new materials that they can make the sockets for it, and they can fabricate a brand new limb on site for a patient who would normally have no access to this. It's called StandingWithHope, standingwithhope.com.

We could use your help getting the word out if you know of somebody who doesn't need a prosthetic limb anymore. Maybe the family member died, maybe it was a child that outgrew it, maybe, who knows? However, we would take it, okay? Don't throw it away. We can give the gift that keeps on walking. It's that time of year when you think of end of year giving, and Standing With Hope is doing this. I just got a text from the chaplain at the prison where we work, and they're ready for a shipment to be picked up to go. And we send feet and pylon and knees and adapters and screws and all kinds of things that we can use.

And I would ask for your help to make that possible. StandingWithHope.com, if you want to know more about that. Here's a woman with a broken body working with broken lives in a prison to go and put legs on broken people in West Africa, and we're all pointing to the one who was broken for us. What a picture of God's redemption.

And that's the setup to the guest that I have on for this segment of the show. This is Megan Schertzer, and she is the co-author of a book called Beechdale Road, Where Mercy Is More Powerful Than Murder. She wrote this book with Tim Rogers. They're two of a perpetrator's relatives who killed a young woman who was walking home in rural Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. I've been to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.

It's a beautiful place. Linda Stolfoot, this man killed her. And then here's the story that continues from this. The Amish community showered such forgiveness and kindness on the family of Justo Smoker, who was arrested for this murder. And Megan said they wanted to write this book as a way to work out their own anger and guilt over this situation and deceit. But they see God's hand in this, and so Megan, thank you for taking the time to come on this program. We hear so many things about just such tragedy and sorrow, and this certainly is filled with that.

But in that tragedy and sorrow, you've seen the very hand of God work redemption and mercy and love and grace. And I'm so glad that you're here to talk about that. So welcome to the program.

Yeah, thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to share today. I'm going to give you a quote. We wanted to show the kindness of God to our world and to share how we experienced it through this trauma. We truly believe there's another way to handle the pain we all experience, a way of kindness that diffuses all guilt. It's a powerful quote, particularly in the context of a horrific murder.

And can you give us a little bit more of a history and context on all of this and how it came to be? And then I don't really want to spend a lot of time on how lurid the tale. We saw it in the news. We want to talk about how great the Savior, and that's where your book comes in. So thank you for that. But just give us a little back story here.

Yeah, yeah. So in 2020, in June of 2020, you already shared Amish girl, 18-year-old Linda Stoltzschus, was kidnapped and murdered by my uncle. Tim Rogers, who is the co-author with myself on the book, is my father. So my father and I wrote this book. My uncle committed the crime.

And obviously there's a, like you said, the Internet has a lot to say about the crime. We were not interested in going down that road or sharing all the details of that. But what we were interested in was sharing the details of how God's kindness and his mercy and his forgiveness was shown to us in a way that we have never experienced firsthand like we did in the months and years following this tragedy. The way that the Amish community treated our family, the way that Linda's own parents and siblings and friends treated us was just beyond our comprehension. And it was a beautiful way, and I personally was reintroduced to the gospel of Jesus Christ through this tragedy. It's an extraordinary thing that you guys have done.

Not a lot of people would be able to engage after such a horrific thing. As you sat down to write this thing, talk about that process. I mean, you sat down with your father and you said, hey, let's write a book about this.

I mean, I've written books. I can't imagine having that kind of internal conversation about it. What was that like, writing this with your dad? I assume this is his brother, right? So this is his brother-in-law. Brother-in-law, okay.

Yep, he's my mom, who committed the crime, is my mom's brother. Okay. If that makes sense.

It does. It makes perfect sense. So, you know, how do you even have that kind of conversation with your dad saying, hey, let's write a book about this? Yeah, it was a journey. So my dad and I both are verbal processors. We also both like to process things through writing, through journaling. And so probably about eight or ten months after this happened, my dad and I both realized that we were separately writing journal entries, just privately, just for ourselves. We kind of worked through what was happening and what we were experiencing, you know, the good, the bad, and the ugly. And so about eight or ten months after it happened, we both realized we were doing this. And I think one of us made a comment, I can't even remember who it was at this point, but one of us made a comment on, you know, there are stories to be shared here, and this has changed our life.

And could these stories of kindness and grace impact other people and change their life as well? And so we thought about it for a little bit. We were like, oh, you know, maybe we could do something with it. Maybe we could make a blog, maybe we could go on the radio and talk about it or, you know, something small like that. And then one of us was like, well, maybe we could write a book. And we were like, well, you know, we've never written a book, we don't know anything about writing books, how are we going to do that? So ultimately we decided, you know, let's start putting these stories together. I'll write these stories, you write those stories, we'll edit each other's stories, we'll talk about it, we'll do it in whatever time we can. This is not a time crunch, we don't have a goal, we don't even have an end project. Let's just start writing the stories. Do it when you have the emotional capacity to do it.

Don't do it if you can't. And then we'll see what it becomes. And so after we put together the stories, we were like, well, we think this could be a book.

We'll talk to some people, some trusted friends and people who are in the industry and just kind of put it together from there. So it was not maybe your traditional book journey, but we're glad to be here. Well, no, not hardly.

Not hardly at all. And the subject matter is so painful, and yet it is such a beautiful message of the redemptive work of the Gospel. I love the title, mercy, where mercy is more powerful than murder. What a stark declarative statement that is.

And his mercy is. It's an extraordinary thing that you guys have done, and I want to get deeper into that. But I want to first ask you, what was the response of the families of the victim when they heard that you were writing a book about this? And were they supportive? Were they nervous about it?

How did that work? They were incredibly supportive, which was a huge gift to us. We had become good friends with Linda's parents by this time, as well as her friends.

Linda was my age, so her friends were also my age, and so I've gotten to know them pretty well and have a good relationship with them. So the first people we told when we decided, you know, we're actually doing this thing, we're actually going to make a book and we're going to publish it, were her parents. And so we let them know, as they were very supportive, we let them know it was not going to be about the details, we're not interested in the drama, but we are interested in the way that your family has treated us, and it has been an incredible gift to us, and we hope it can be an incredible gift to others. And so they were supportive of that, which we were very grateful for. And the overwhelming response from the Amish community has been so positive, which has been a huge gift. You know, that had to be overpowering to sit down with them like that and to look them in the eye, to clasp hands, to pray with them.

I'm stunned by that. We're going to talk about this more when we come back. We're talking with Megan Scherzer.

She and her dad wrote this book called Beechdale Road, where mercy is more powerful than murder. Maybe somebody listening today needs to know that there is great mercy. We'll be back to talk about it in a moment. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. This is Peter Rosenberger. Glad that you're with us.

866-34-866-348-7884 if you want to be a part of the program. We're talking with Megan Scherzer. She is the co-author of Beechdale Road, where mercy is more powerful than murder. She wrote it with her father. It's not about the family member. It's about an event that a family member perpetrated against a young Amish woman. It killed her. How God was able to work through these broken, shattered lives on both sides of this equation to bring about something extraordinary.

And there's all kinds of stuff you can see about this on the website and the YouTube page and all that. Megan, give that out. I love this quote that you guys said. We hope readers experience what it's like when undeserved mercy confronts undeniable evil, when kindness upends condemnation, when heaven engages hell. I mean that's a powerful quote, Megan. Talk a little bit about that and your journey through this.

I mean where was your relationship with the Lord prior to this and what has happened since then as you've seen God work in your life? Yeah, that quote I think has been really powerful for us as well as we think about this journey because there's no doubt in our mind that this was evil, right? And there's no doubt in our mind that this was a horrible, horrible offense that cannot be undone and basically nothing can make it right. Like we can't bring her back. Almost anything we could offer to her family felt so incredibly empty.

There was nothing to do. And so we recognize the incredible depth of the offense. And I think as we recognize that, the more we experienced and felt the incredible depths of their grace. Because to have grace for something that is this evil and this insane is insane.

It's incredible. And so we felt the wild undeniable love of Jesus through the love and the grace and the mercy of the folks in the Amish community who were hurt the most and who were the most gracious. So that is a beautiful quote that has meant a lot to us as well. As I think about my own faith journey, I was certainly a Christian before this event, but I would not say I had near the relationship I have with the Lord as I do now. I think that I would not have necessarily verbalized that I felt my faith was somewhat dependent on works. But I think there was a piece of that in me of, you know, I think I've accepted Jesus as my savior, and so he will want me in heaven someday.

I'll be in heaven someday, which is true and good and right. But there was also this piece of, well, and I go to church and I haven't killed anyone and I generally am a good person. And so for the first time, we were standing in a place where I didn't have anything to offer their family. I felt like I had things to offer to God, like, oh, look, God, I do this and I do this. But we didn't have that to give to her family, and so I was feeling like, oh, this is grace. It's when you have nothing to give and Jesus gives to you freely, and that's grace. Not, oh, dear God, I have a couple of things for you, and oh, good, I'm glad we're good now. So that has kind of wildly shifted my view of myself and my own sin. I've said this over the last couple of years in my work that I do with family caregivers, and it's a reflection of kind of where I am spiritually. I'm not comfortable with casual relationships with Christ. People have a kind of a passing acknowledgement of God, of Jesus, but it's a casual relationship.

I'm not comfortable there anymore. My life and Gracie's life is just way too hard. And it sounds like that's where you guys are, that you can't have a – once you've encountered this level of understanding and of seeing His mercy in such a situation, you can't ever go back.

You can't go back to a casual relationship, can you? Oh, absolutely. I totally – that's a great way to put it. I've not put it in that way before, but I think that's exactly what we were feeling. It was like, oh, I didn't get it. I didn't get the depth of this relationship and the depth of the sacrifice, and now I do and I can't go back.

I think we have a culture that is very dismissive. You know, yeah, Jesus died for my sin and gave me fire insurance. I don't have to go to hell and I can go to heaven. But there's a great hymn that I love, Beneath the Cross of Jesus. And there's a line in there that I just cannot get away from. It says, And from my smitten heart with tears, two wonders I confess, the wonders of redeeming love and my unworthiness.

And I love that text. And when I hear this story with you and I think, you know, I cannot imagine how smitten your family's heart was with tears, as well as everybody's hearts were. And yet, you looked at this, how can these people show mercy to us? How can they show us grace?

How can they even want to shake our hands, knowing that we were related to this guy that did this such a horrific thing? And yet, you guys have come to understand a level of grace and the work of redemptive love from the cross that is extraordinary. Is that a fair depiction? Absolutely.

I think absolutely. We have interacted with people that have shown us firsthand the love and the kindness of God in a way that we've never experienced before. We've read about it.

And certainly we've had relationships with God, right? We've experienced pieces of that. But we say, I think somewhere in the book, we've tasted meals that these people have cooked for us. We've sat with them. We've cried with them. We've laughed with them. We have hugged them.

It was so tangible. They have given us gifts. We have celebrated together.

We have wept together. And so, for the first time, God's love and His grace was like standing right in front of me. It was cooking me a meal. It was bringing us gifts. It was right in front of us.

You can't ignore it. Megan, it's hard to even have words for that. I truly am overwhelmed by that. How is Linda's family doing right now? How are they doing?

Yeah, they are doing probably, as you'd imagine, a mix. We actually were able to spend some time with them this summer, which was nice. And I think as they were leaving, we had a picnic together one night. And as they were leaving, they said, Linda's mom said something along the lines of, I'm glad we came, but it is always hard. Everyone else's life goes on, and their life goes on too, but now they've lost a daughter, they've lost a sister, and that will never be fixed.

She will never come back on this earth. And so, they deal with the grief and the weight of that, I believe, every day, as many of us would, right? But they also, their faith and their relationships with folks in the community, and I do believe their relationship with our family has helped the journey.

It has made it a little bit easier so they don't have to walk the road alone, but they still have to walk the road. You know, I think that's the whole point, and I love this about your book, is that the road of suffering, the road of loss, the road of tragedy and trauma, these things are so isolating, and yet we discover that God never leaves us in this, and that we are truly the hands and feet of Christ in this. I love that I saw Grace cooking a meal for me. I love that, Megan, and it's such a beautiful thing. The next time you see them, would you express to them, for me personally, and I believe I can speak for this audience, the gratitude of their modeling out what they believe, and the impact that it is continuing to have, and it will not be inconsequential. It's a substantial impact that they're having, and God sees these things, and he holds these things dear, and there will be a time, there will be a time when every tear will be wiped away from our eyes.

And until then, we trust him, because we know that he understands, he truly understands what it's like to have a family member taken from him unjustly, because Jesus was taken and killed unjustly, and God the Father understands this thing, and he is near to the brokenhearted. So Megan, I thank you for this. The book is called Beechdale Road, where mercy is more powerful than murder. It's a tough book to read. It's a tough book to process out, but it's an important one, and that's why I wanted to have you on the program today, Megan, and I want you to know how I appreciate you and your father. Would you please pass that on to your dad as well, that this is an extraordinary journey of courage and trust and faith. Every word that you put in this book is an act of faith, of saying God somehow is getting the glory in this thing, and we don't understand it, but we're going to trust him. His scarred hand holds our scared hand, and I really believe that, and Megan, I thank you for that. And if people want to find out more besides the book, do you have any place where they can go, or is it the book?

You say you have a trailer for the book that you guys have at YouTube, and share with me a little bit about that before I let you get out of here. Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for your kind words. Thanks for having me on the program today. I do appreciate it, and I'm grateful for that. The best way to get information is on our website, BeechdaleRoad.com, and that's B-E-E-C-H-D-A-L-E Road.com.

Just like the tree, Beechdale Road. Megan, I'm deeply moved, and I'm very grateful. Thank you for being with us today. This is Peter Rosenberger. We'll see you next time.