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Welcome to Truth Talk Live! A daily program powered by the Truth Network. Today, I am actually in the business of telling stories. I am a movie producer, and hopefully some of you have seen some of the movies I've been a part of and got to help produce. The first one I was involved with was called Woodlawn, a great true story about Tony Nathan. The second one was a true story called I Can Only Imagine, based on a song that many of us know. The next one we did a movie called Unplanned, which was just showing our support for life and the pro-life issue.
And then in 2020, we did a documentary called The Trump I Know, just letting people get to know the real side of the Trump family and a lot of the women that have worked for that family for a long time. But story is so important to me because, first of all, God has always used story in the Bible to get his point across. I have a really unique story that I want to share with you. From the front house side of my story, but also behind the scenes because I have taken a lot of time and my journey has brought me to a point where I really have a decent understanding of where God has been in my story.
And now I've been to the point where because I see where God has been a part of my story, both the ups and the downs, that when I share my story, it gets to have an impact on a lot of people. So my story, it sounds like a movie, but it's not and probably won't be. But I grew up in Philadelphia in a kind of rough family situation with a lot of abuse that occurred in our house. When I was five years old, my mother, my two older sisters and myself, we were actually taken from our house. It was a you know, police were involved.
It was not a great scene. Unfortunately, for the next two years, my mother was not really in a great position to take good care of us. So we lived on the streets, which consisted of living in abandoned houses, crack houses today, stealing for food, whatever it took to survive. God very graciously and intentionally took my sisters and myself. We would walk past a little itty bitty church on the corner. It was called Bethel Temple. And there was a big sign out front that said if you come to Sunday school, you would get free Dunkin Donuts and orange juice. So on Sunday morning, my oldest sister made sure we went there.
Our mom, I don't believe, ever went with us to get the free donuts, but we would go quite a few weekends in a row. And amazingly, some of the folks at the church took notice to us. Kids realized that we never had an adult with us and just try to figure out our situation. And this really sounds like a movie line, but on a cold November night, there's an amazing man named Wes Whitehead, who was very instrumental with that church, very involved with the youth of that church. And he, on this cold November night in his suburban home, just pictured us kids and was wondering where we were that night. So he actually drove to the inner city of Philly, went to this church, parked his car and started walking the streets in and out of these abandoned houses until he found us kids. And once he did, he figured out which lady was our mom. And then he got permission from her right then and there to take us to this orphanage called Christ Home.
So that night we hopped in the church van. They dropped me off at a dorm in the Philadelphia area, took my sisters to a different location, about an hour and a half west of there. And then about a year later, I was able to reunite with my sisters, but we stayed under the care of that orphanage basically until all three of us graduated from high school. And then after high school, I wanted to go to college, but couldn't afford it. So fortunately, I met an Air Force recruiter and he told me how that would be an instrumental way in me kind of bringing discipline into my life, but also being able to get a college education. So I spent six years on active duty in the Air Force, got stationed in Dayton, Ohio at a great base called Wright Patterson Air Force Base, which at the end of my Air Force career, I met my amazing wife in the Dayton area.
Her family is from there. And I've been in Dayton, Ohio ever since. So I am 50 years old.
That's been the past 30 years. And we now have three great kids that are all teenagers and we're living that that crazy life. After the Air Force, I spent some time in the finance world until a good friend of mine that I grew up with, who was actually my youth pastor for my high school years.
He was out in Hollywood making great movies with the big studios out there. But as I would talk to him, he was getting a little frustrated with the type of messaging coming from those stories. And so I would encourage him. There's a lot of great stories out there that need to be told. So let me help you do that. And being a finance guy, I could help handle that side of it.
So I would spend a fair amount of time just going out to Hollywood and getting to understand the process out there and how complicated it is. But then an amazing story called Woodlawn came about. And that was my first movie that I got to produce with my good friend, Daryl LaFever, who is just a great movie maker himself. But I tell you my story because what I understand when I look back and see all these God moments, it's easy when I share my story for people to kind of gloss over that God was instrumentally involved all along the way. And if it wasn't for this gentleman, Wes Whitehead, who was also being obedient to God to when God placed on his heart to come find us, he actually did that.
And now here I am, you know, almost 40 years later, as a 50 year old, when I was seven, when he first found me, I could be on the radio with all of you and encouraging all of you that you have a story. And that's really what I want to spend the next few minutes encouraging all of you that God has given us all a story and they're all unique stories. But we really have to understand where God has been involved in our story.
And the only way we can do that is actually to reflect back on his stories. And when you read the Bible, it is nothing but stories. And God has a very consistent way of showing up in people's lives. So I want to be able to help all of you make that connection for how God operates so that when you incorporate that into your story, you're going to have the ability to share with those who really need to hear it.
OK, welcome back. This is Joe Knopf on Truth's Live, our phone number, which I would love to hear from you. Specifically, I would love to hear about your story and if you really understand how God has been instrumental in your story. And the big question is, are you sharing your story with others?
Are you seeing the impact that God has brought into your life and sharing with others? And our phone number here, 866-348-7884. Again, it's 866-348-7884. And I want to be transparent with everyone listening now. This is my first time hosting a radio show. And if you could look into our studio right now, I have an amazing producer, Nick, who is holding my hand on every aspect of this show. And he's given me one knob on my control that I can use for the volume in my headset.
That's all I get to play with today. But I appreciate all of his help and really doing a great job here, as he always does with the Truth Network. But what I want to get back to is story. There's really three aspects of story that is important for each of us to understand. One is just really knowing your story, which sounds silly, right?
It's our life. We, of course, know our journey, how we got to where we are, but to truly reflect on all the aspects of our story. And then second, to really understand the God part of our story. And the only way we can do that is to know how God operates. I was talking about that earlier.
And I want to give a good example of how God can really operate in our story and how it can be instrumental for us to understand. Years ago, my wife and I were going just through a rough patch. I had left the job and it wasn't even a midlife crisis.
I was early 30s. But I was really trying to figure out the next phase of my life. And really, for the first time, I wanted to just commit not just my life, but my profession, my job, my 24-7 all to God.
Which sounds like this great, noble thing. And we probably all have those moments when we say that. But I was never more committed than ever.
Probably. I don't even know if it was all for the right reason, but fully committed to it. And what started transpiring is, you know, I started a couple of things. I started doing some writing, writing out my journey, but really doing a lot of reading. I felt like God said, in order to understand your journey, you have to read my story. And then an amazing thing happened as I started reading through the Old Testament. These stories that we've just known forever.
I learned them in Sunday school growing up. You know, the story of Noah, Adam, and Eve. All these stories that, if we're not careful, we kind of blow past them today and we don't see how they could actually relate in the year 2024. Well, amazingly, as I was having this struggle one day and committing my professional journey to God, and part of it was this idea of entertainment and maybe getting into the movie space, which when you live in Dayton, Ohio, and you tell your wife, you feel like God's going to lead you into the movie space.
It's hard for her to hear, but then it's also hard for her to explain that to her friends, who picture you making some videos and truly going through this midlife crisis. But amazingly, I'm sitting at my office in my house that morning and I'm reading the story of Noah. And we all know this story. Right.
Amazing. He built this great boat, took 100 years to do it. Great for Noah.
Right. But what God showed and revealed to me in that moment was God only spoke to Noah. You know, he didn't speak to his wife.
He didn't gather the family around and say, this is what I want the family to do for the next 100 years. Instead, what he did was he spoke to Noah. And then Noah had to tell his wife and his three boys and their fiance, their wives at the time, that the journey that he was going to embark on, he was going to build this boat, a boat the size that they never could have imagined before. And this boat was going to one day save their family.
And it's going to take it didn't even know decades to build this mammoth of a boat. But what I realized in that moment was if I'm going to tell my wife and have this noble context of I'm going to do, commit the rest of my journey to God, my profession, my off time, I'm just going to give it all to God. Well, in order for me to say that, if I don't mean that, my wife only has my words because God, just like Noah, doesn't always speak to the family. And if he just speaks to me, then I better honor what God is telling me to do and then honor through communicating that to my wife.
So that little story of Noah that we all know just really lit up to me three dimensional that day that there are times. And by the way, there's times when God only speaks to my wife. And then she tells me I sometimes don't think she's listening to the same God I am.
But I later find out that she's almost always right when it comes to that. But I just want to encourage you that when you commit your life to God, when you commit your entire profession, your your family, there's going to be time for God to ask you to do things and make sure you're truly listening to him, because there are going to be other people in your life that are relegated to listening and honoring what you're doing. And I say that because in our stories, it's important that we see, are we listening to God or are we deceiving ourselves? We live in a time where it's so easy to gather our information and gather our understanding of God through everything but the Bible.
Right. We live in this time where I'm, I guess, guilty of it now because I'm on the radio talking to you. But if you take this hour of truth talk live on the radio today and you use this as your time with God, you use this hour instead of getting into your word. I think even Stu Epperson, the host of the show, would say, turn off the radio right now and dive into your Bible. That is the only promise word that God has given us directly. I have my faults. I think Stu probably has his.
I haven't seen too many yet. But we both would say this does not count for reading your word today just by listening to us folks. So if that is you and this is your excuse for the day, get off the radio and go read your Bible. Hopefully you've already done that this morning.
I know Stu does it in the first hour, like many folks down here in Winston-Salem and North Carolina. Thanks to the amazing book that was passed out encouraging especially men to get up, get on your knees and spend that first hour with God. But what I really want to help you to continue to understand is our stories, even though it's about us, I would argue it is not for us. There is someone walking around your neighborhood, your streets, your community, your school, your place of work that is going through something identical to what you went through.
And by the way, they think they're the only one that has gone through that. So it is on us to identify these people and to understand our story and understand the God part of our story enough where we're willing to share it with others. I get the privilege of doing that with movies.
But with movies, we'll take a couple of years to truly understand that story and figure out every detail that needs to be portrayed so that it can have an emotional connection with the audience. But what's important for each and every one of us is to also not just understand our story, but we have to understand the value that God places on us, on our hearts and on our story. And it is our responsibility to share with others. So what does that mean?
That means when we're in our community, we have to have empathy and listen to people that were around. And we have to try to figure out, OK, today is whatever today's date is. It's Tuesday.
I know that. Who am I supposed to be sharing my story with today? Who needs to hear the encouragement that God has brought me through?
Because in today's world of hopelessness, in today's crazy world of an election time period, people need hope more today than ever before. I'll be right back. Again, if you want to call in, it's 866-348-7884. Welcome back to Truth Talk.
This is Joe Knob. I'm your host for today. Again, our phone number is 866-348-7884. I'd love to hear from you.
I'd love to hear about your story and would love to hear maybe just an example of when you got to share your story and you were able to see the impact that had on somebody else. Before the break, I was talking a little bit about, you know, this crazy time that we find ourselves living in with this election. And, you know, it's interesting in our society today. I think we're sometimes we want to find our security, find safety, find our needs in places where we probably shouldn't be expecting it from. You know, I think we're looking for a savior to be elected. I think we're looking for saviors at our church.
We're looking for, you know, whether the next job that's going to double our income or we're looking to, you know, all the I would argue like a country song, probably all the wrong places to find love and security and safety. And I just want to share kind of a quick story about this gentleman I mentioned earlier, Wes, Wes Whitehead. You know, in my story, I don't get to be here with you and I probably don't get to have three amazing kids and amazing wife if it wasn't for a guy named Wes Whitehead. And so Wes was a very successful church architect of design churches around the world.
I grew up in Philadelphia, had a heart for inner city Philly, specifically, you know, kids and children, and was always seen at this church called Bethel Temple was always driving the buses through the different streets, picking up these kids. And so we got to be the benefactor of Wes. And this one time, like I said, where he came and got us. But the important thing to remember about Wes is when my kids were, I don't know, probably actually, I do know when I was seven years, my oldest son was seven years old. His name is Isaac. I think I'm allowed to mention his name on the air.
I don't think he'll care today. He's 19 years old. But when Isaac was seven, that was the same age I was when I got dropped off at the orphanage. So my wife had this brilliant idea, and it probably was brilliant, except for the emotional part for me, that we should take our kids to the orphanage, kind of take this this pilgrimage when they're seven, just like dad was to get the sense of what it was like for for me when I was seven.
So we did that. So we drove to Philadelphia, took the minivan, went to the orphanage. And the very first thing Isaac and my other two kids noticed was outside the dorm that I grew up in was this amazing playground. And there's kids out there playing. And one of the first comments, I think it was Isaac, you said it was, dad, you got to you got to live with your best friend.
You got to play with your best friend every day, even after school and after church. How amazing is that? And I had to look at my wife and say, this is going to be totally lost on them.
This was not the intent of this pilgrimage. However, how great is it that our kids get to grow up in a home with my wife and I and their mom and dad who love each other and love them? But I say that what also dawned on me that moment was I was, you know, had three kids of my own. Well, Wes Whitehead, he also had three kids of his own. And he also had, you know, a family take care of a job.
But somehow he found time to commit to this this church in inner city, got his kids involved. And he really looked out for not only his family, but the other kids who did not have a family just like Christ kind of became a father to the fatherless. And what that brought to my own heart and my wife, I had these conversations was, you know, who are we being parents to? Who are we helping out beside our own family?
You almost feel like selfish for only taking care of your own family. And for us, I think what that translated into, you know, our kids have friends, right? They they go to school and they go to the friends houses. Friends come to our houses. And before long, you start realizing that there's a lot of kids out there that are going through hard times, you know, for a variety of reasons, a variety of parental reasons.
But they're going through hard times. And we live in this world where if you don't feel like you belong, especially at home or in a family, well, we're designed to belong. God says that over and over in his word that we belong to him first. But then family and community is important. So when you're a kid and you feel like you don't necessarily belong at home, you're going to seek it out.
You're going to find it. And in today's world, as we all know, there are a lot of dangerous places for kids to fulfill that loneliness and to find that that sense of belonging, you know, with with smartphones and social media and everything that exists. Ironically, I think the stat is we are more connected than ever before, right? But at the same time, we've never been more lonely.
So let me say that again. We're more connected than ever before, but never have we been more lonely because, you know, technology and social media. It's all false sense of connection, right?
And a false sense of belonging. So for my wife and I, we really try to embrace our our kids, friends and their families. And I will say my my wife is far greater at it than I am. She is the social butterfly and loves to either have folks over at our house or we should be going to other places. And there's some times I like to be home watching football. But that's OK. We understand the importance of just being with other people. But what we have found is especially with kids these days, you know, my wife and I both have had, you know, I guess, challenging or unique journeys in our childhood. But ironically, there are kids going through similar things today. And when we find out some of the stuff they're going through, you want an adult, you know, a parent of one of their friends, you know, start sharing with them. I can share with a lot of kids that I didn't grow up with either parent. You know, a lot of kids are growing up with a mom or a dad. I didn't really grow up with either one. And they kind of perceive me to being somewhat normal.
I would probably argue that point some. But they perceive that, you know, there's hope in that they can have a normal career. They can have a family of their own one day just by virtue of sitting down and hearing my story. And then same with my wife. My wife has an amazing family.
They're great people. Her parents did get divorced when she was very young. So now she has two amazing families that we all get to be a part of. But when she shares that with, you know, again, our kids friends, it really has deep meaning that especially if it's a recent divorce or a recent challenge in their family, that there's that there's hope that sitting out there that at the end of the day, we belong to God. And once we truly help, you know, I talk about kids a lot, but my passion is to really help kids know that they belong.
And the best way that I can do that is through story. And when I share with them that early on in my life, I was seven years old. I'll kind of rebuild that moment. I got dropped off at this orphanage. My sisters went to a different one. So I was literally as as alone as you can be as a seven year old boy without any family. And after being at this orphanage for about a month, I went to the chapel, I believe, on Sunday evening. And the chaplain was talking about God the Father and how he promises never to leave us nor forsake us, like in Deuteronomy 31, six and nine. And somehow, God, when I heard those words, I actually would say I felt those words whispered by my ear. And I knew that there was this Heavenly Father out there that I had access to. So I went back to my dorm that night, spoke to my dorm parents to figure out, well, how do I have that father, the one who never leaves? And they helped me understand how I can accept Christ into my heart. And really, from that moment on, despite me not being a perfect son, he has been just the perfect father. He has always been there with me. And really, I can share after the break a great visual for how God the Father wants to relate to us today, because it's important as we, whatever age we are, whether we're the age of my kids or my age or whatever age we're at, just to know that the Heavenly Father that we have today still wants to relate to us, just like a child relates to a father. When my kids were little, they have somewhat lost this on them, but when they were little, if I was with them, they were bulletproof.
There was nothing they couldn't do. I clearly remember going to the amusement park when my middle son was, I think, like seven years old. Gabe, he was at the age where we were pretty sure he was tall enough to go on to the big rides, right? He could finally come out of a Snoopy Road little kids ride and go on the big adult rides. So all he wanted to do was to go on the big roller coaster, right?
So all day long, we're at the park, we're walking past the entrance to the roller coaster. He was nervous as could be. My wife did not want him to go on it.
She had already been on it and it was not for seven-year-old boys, but I was the cool dad. I was like, I'm going if you want to go, Gabe. And it was 930 at night. He still didn't quite have the heart to go on. So I said, hey, we don't have to do this today, but if you want to go on now, I'm right here with you. So, of course, he said, let's do it, dad. And we went on and it was the scariest moment for me.
But after the break, a good teaser, I'll tell you what the look was on his face after we got off that ride. So, again, Truth Talk. My name is Joe Knapp.
Our phone number here, please call in, is 866-348-7884. Truth Talk Live! You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. This is Joe Knapp. I am your host for today. And by the way, if you want to reach out to me directly, my website is JoeKnapp.com. That's J-O-E-K-N-O-P-P.com.
There's a place for you to just email me directly. But I want to quick finish my story with my son, Gabe. So seven years old, first time going on a big roller coaster. My wife was scared to death to let him even go on there. Gabe was nervous as could be.
But we're on this ride, which felt like an hour long, but I think they said it was a four minute long ride. I wasn't sure what the look was going to be on Gabe's face. We jump off of there and he was beaming with so much pride, so much joy. And he never would have gone on that ride without his father.
There was no one else in that park, tens of thousands of people. He only would have gone on there with his father because his father gave him just that fatherly love, confident. And he just knew that if I was there with him, that everything would be OK. And that's how God wants to relate to us today. I really want you to understand this point that when my son was seven years old, I could do no wrong as a father. Now, since then, he's caught on that I am not a perfect being. But when he was seven years old, I was this perfect father. And that's how God wants to relate to us today from a fatherly standpoint. Unfortunately, most of us have some our fathers are not perfect.
And we have seen that over time, some sooner than others. And it kind of warps and changes our understanding and belief of who God the Father really is. But to encourage all of you, make sure you remember that the gap between how God wants to relate to us as a father is just as if we were still a seven year old boy.
And when we have God the Father with us, there is nothing that we cannot do. So again, our call number is 866-348-7884. And we have our first caller. And this is Mike from good old Dayton, Ohio. Hi there, Mike. How are you doing?
I'm doing great. I was raised, you know, with my dad. Tell him he is childlike stories all the time and and how he went through life without without a father. And and different stories that he was raised by his sisters and and things that happened to him, you know. And now I'm and I'm and I'm kind of telling the stories about what my dad did when he was he raised me. And those stories are all godly. My dad's stories were godly and and my stories were godly. And, you know, it's just people when you tell people these stories and what happened in your life and how God has directed your life and how God has chastened you, you know, went after you and still does. And you're right, Mike. You know, I mean, you know how he chastened you. And then he's and then the stories are so meaningful to other people, you know, when you tell them. And I agree with you 100 percent. Why is I feel like it's a lost art of telling those stories. You know, when I grew up, it's funny. We call it testimony.
Right. And it was like, what day, what date, where were you when you accepted Christ? But there's so much more to our stories.
Is there one? Is there a time where you can just visually remember sharing something, either with one of your children or somebody else that kind of like whoever was listening, their eyes is open and they never really thought about that before. They just kind of they saw God's love in a way that they really haven't seen before. Does anything come to mind? Yeah.
Yeah. A lot of stories come to mind. And I keep saying to myself, that's my dad.
You know, when I tell a story to someone, you know, I'm going to go ahead and tell one. I was playing football in high school. I was a wide receiver and I caught a pass in the end. And my dad had a work second shift. And all of a sudden I look up and my dad's over by the sidelines, not really in the sidelines.
He's over on the road on the highway. And he's cheering, yelling and screaming, whistling. And my dad had a whistle that nobody else had. When the, when the streetlights came on, the whistle, the whistle came out and we all had to run home. And my dad took his lunch break to just see a glimpse of our football game, to see me happen, to see me catch that pass.
And that's the kind of dad that was there for me who didn't have a dad to have an example. And I want to be the same grandpa and the same person like that. Do you know what I mean? I do. And I'm sure you are. I know.
I, I think I have to get up at six o'clock this Saturday morning and drive seven hours to get to my son's football game. Because like you said, it, we know how important that is to our sons. But isn't that a great visual for how much God loves us? Can you imagine how much he loves us as his children?
And that sounds like for you, Mike, it's similar to me. Having kids have really helped me understand what God's love really is. Because I love my kids more than anybody, my wife and kids, and how much more God even loves us.
Right. And we look back and as our life goes on and how God directed this. For me, I went in the Marine Corps. I did different things. I met my wife in the Marine Corps in California, came back to Dayton, Ohio. I'm right here in Dayton as well with you.
Awesome. And how God has just directed my life and, and, and how, how much he loves me, how much he cares for me, how much he sent, sent, gave me a dad that really cared for me. And how he became a Christian and how he made sure we were following God. And how he took us to Sunday school classes and he taught Sunday school classes. And, and, and we need to have men just like that, you know, again and again, that we can pass on this generation to next kids that, you know, hey, God is, God loves you just like we do, you know.
It's so important. And, you know, men and family, I would, men and family, specifically men, I would say, as you know, Mike, we're under attack. And, you know, and to be honest, if I was the devil, I would attack men also. And we live in a world where it's so easy to distract men from what's important. And, you know, we all know the stats of, you know, kids growing up without a father at home.
It doesn't end well. You know, there's the famous story about a Hallmark card shop that, you know, took a box of cards to a prison on Mother's Day. And the prison actually called the shop and said, hey, if we can, we'd love to purchase a few more cases for you. We ran out and some of the inmates wanted to send more cards out. So, of course, the shop sends more cases over. But then on Father's Day, which is always four weeks later, right, it's in June, on Father's Day, they just automatically sent like the same amount, four or five cases of cards to the prison.
And they said not one got sent out, which just tells you the importance of having a father in the house. Well, Mike, I greatly appreciate you sharing just your experiences and your understanding of how important it is for us men. And we have to challenge our friends that are men that we have a role to play and we can step out. We as a boy, we still have this Heavenly Father that's whatever is in front of us, whatever we have to face. He's going to go there with us. He's going to go there ahead of us and he's going to make it possible.
So we have to keep that in mind. So, Mike, I greatly appreciate your sharing. And since we're both from Dayton, Ohio, we'll have to make sure we cross past one of these days.
My website is pretty easy to get to, so you have to connect with me. So I appreciate it, Mike. I appreciate your call. Thank you. Thank you, Joe. Yeah, of course. Well, it's great to hear from Mike. And just that reminder of how important it is to just to, you know, as fathers, to embrace our family. I love this story. You can just picture.
I'm a movie guy, so I'm kind of a I guess a sucker for a great visual picture. And you can see the father who probably doesn't have time to bother getting a ticket coming into the stadium, getting a seat, probably has a half hour for lunch. So he parks outside the stadium, finds a viewing angle where you can see his son. So I get emotional here because my boy plays football. But you just see this father gets there in time and God allows that to be the time where that catch in the end zone by his son.
And and his son just happens to look over and see his father standing out there. It just means the world to to that son. I know for sure.
I know. I think it was I travel a lot in my job and I think it was two weeks ago I had to drive all day to get back to my son's football game. And I love every minute.
I wouldn't miss a second of it to date. I think the only child I had to apologize to was my daughter. And I believe she's listening now, so I should apologize again on air. But I missed her birthday one year. I think it's the only holiday, the only event that that I miss was my daughter's birthday. And I would love to say I was doing something really important, far more important than my daughter's birthday. But I don't even remember what it was.
And evidently, my daughter doesn't either. So I've been able to be, I think, at every one since then because her birthday was just a week or two ago. But we're getting ready to to wrap up this show today. I want to appreciate all of you for hanging in there with me. Driving this ship for the first time was a little intimidating, but producer Nick's been great being by my side. It looks like I'm getting a thumbs up.
They're going to allow me to come back tomorrow. And I want to share with you that I have a very special guest, a dear friend of mine. Her name is Laura Trump. You might know her from being co-chair of the RNC, being daughter-in-law of former President Trump, being wife of Eric. But just an amazing person, a great mom. And we're just going to share more about her story. We know a lot about her, but I promise you there's a lot of heart and soul behind her journey that you're not familiar with. She's going to share that with us tomorrow. There is an election coming up, I believe, in about two weeks from today. So it's important for me for you to understand just the heart of some of these people and some of these families that are looking to take charge of our country again. So again, for tomorrow, the phone number 866-348-7884. I am Joe Knapp, and I appreciate you riding along with me today. And we'll be back tomorrow and we'll be speaking with my dear friend, Laura Trump.
