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April 2, 2021 1:00 am
Stu sits down with Richie Kingsmore and Mark Christian, from the Last Words of Jesus album, to talk about Stu's book "Last Words of Jesus", the Easter season, and hear some music from the album.
Crawl here when you train one pastor and some donor friends are standing by to train the second-best call 833-443-5467 or go online and train a pastor.com. Every gift counts and now every gift is double training pastor.com hey this is Mike Swick from if not for God podcast our show stories of hopelessness turned and I hope your chosen Truth Network podcast is starting in just seconds. Enjoy it, share it, but most of all, thank you for listening and for choosing The Truth Podcast Network. This is the Truth Network Stu Epperson here in a restaurant with three of my favorite people in the world this big husky guy Ritchie Kinghorn, who is this guy right here with a big beard. He looks like Paul Bunyan and Paul Revere have each right not right that Ironhorse Santa Christmas Santa Grizzly Adams. Whatever here in this Easter time Good Friday holy week, but your hearing from some of the people that are on the original last words of Jesus music out and it's really enjoying the cross in the book last words of Jesus is about Jesus words and if any of you have ever been exposed that you listen to talk live any affiliate nationwide you how powerful God.
God's word is not powerful Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh. He said seven profound sayings from across Ritchie. We had a little little experience earlier today and in the course as we play back on to talk live across all kinds of channels all kinds of networks of podcast but don't want to know what happened in Waterbury market talk about what God is doing him well.
We just had an opportunity just to be a part of the chapel at Piedmont international University so we we had a couple hundred college students and faculty in you know, as it is. I mean how you always going to these chapels and people alike just running into from class there sort of all over the place.
Honestly, it's a hard environment.
Yet as as you got started sharing as we started singing as Mark started you know sharing about the cross just the walls just started breaking down and people started, you can almost come to see the light bulb coming on and feeling that connection and singlet got I got was just moving as as the focus was on Christ and as the coming he is the living water, and what we need and and yeah a lot of times were so busy, we just don't want us even consider that but just to see how God was moving in their heart something that's that's what we all long counter God and and the hope of the world you know the bread of life. So it was great and honest music out front center. It says Ritchie keys more music in God use you to compose things and that's your heart to take people right to the throne. Absolutely God I mean I just think music is such a tool and there's some as well as hymns that are just that. Just speak about the cross in about the sacrifice that Christ gave them about God's love for us. It just connects and stirs your emotions and before you know it. The truth of that song is just penetrate your heart and as well as new songs anyway. In this project we got kind of a we got some above and and to see the power of the vehicle of music you have the sweet lady next to your brides.
Some she did a great job with you and with Mark, Mark, I get a phone call from Rich King for this is been a couple years since two come here this guy I said who you got singing this song. Were you there when they crucified my Lord, which honestly Johnny Cash you know copyright but it really is an old African-American spiritual in the wild thing is is we don't know the names of the people necessarily right, but it just was passed along powerful globe, but they probably would want to know their names because they want people to go there right when they crucified the Lord and be at the cross. Mark I wouldn't hurt you and met you and yes I think you're one of the few people I met for the first time he gave you right away and save me a little bit. He's a wry mugger but talk about. I mean just that in just connecting with Ritchie just your heart for all the stuff. Well it it's been an amazing product to be part of an Ritchie when he first presented the song to me. I was hesitant because it's one of my favorite songs. It's it's one of the favorite pieces and in Christianity today the song were you there.
It's a bagel song and it's it's an overwhelming song and so Ritchie one thing I love about Ritchie and and that we have in common. We if you listen to any of his arrangements, which is very humble as I can tell you about that, but any church in America. Contemporary, modern traditional they're going to have 2025 or more pieces of Ritchie Kings more manuscript in their library. He understands moments from a position of biblical worship. Look throughout Scripture, Jesus was all about moments and he connected those moments in an amazing way. So when Ritchie came to me with this project. All I had to do was listen to the track and I could hear those moments that he connected so beautifully in this particular song that I'd never heard before and it went from a little bit of fear and trembling to. I can't wait to sing the song was very very excited about.
I just know he said Stu we got a guy named Christian sing Isaac from chrysalis outing is about time absolutely need to have a Christian name stuck with better shape up or get yourself in a big exercise go Mark you will you lead worship at Ed said his Charlotte it first banisters is all right Charlotte my pastors Dr. Mark Erickson interesting thing happened a couple years ago our son. We moved to Charlotte about eight years ago and our son decided to stay in Houston for a little while were relived and he joined us and moved to Charlotte with us and only gave one rule is a Jordan. We are thrilled that you're here, but stay away from our pastor's beautiful daughter, Laura, I do not want you to get me fired, say away. Emily so we all know what happens when we tell our kids not reverse psychology so decimated he married her and married her and you're still on staff. I'm still I don't know that I'm serving with Mark Harris and not only is he an amazing man of God. These were my heroes and Mark lives out his faith every day. I've been at his house watching ball games with them because the connection with our kids. I've seen him in so many different walks and he never changes, and it's been a real privilege to serve with him and Mark.
While he does not consider himself a singer or worship leader. Make no mistake, I am not the worship leader prescribed Charlotte my pastors. He is bringing out word a lot about him is one of the guys it teaches the word faith leaks posits God's word is been fatal to studying the word and and and feeding the flock, and were so starving in his need to see a pastor one of those you love pastors you know that in the current curse – is to go deeper toward Mark.
You also seeing with a fellow name will tell about the one of the great thrills of my life and in something out of only really full comfortable talking about because it's it's there's nothing I could have done this for like we talked about today Piedmont the power of the cross enables us to to have things that we do not deserve.
Christ gives us these opportunities and he gave me an opportunity 18 years ago while singing secular music I came out saying a gospel song and who would've known that the Billy Graham team was there at that concert they wanted to meet the guy after the show we sing this gospel song and that night they invited me to sing and 3 mg events and 10 years ago I joined a will Graham steam Willis is Billy's grandson and will not traveled all over the world together for about the last 10 years and seen so many really cool things you say. Were you there when they crucified my Lord help me sing and talk globe on city. The Philippines that had just been through this devastating storm and thousands of people killed and I got to sing it in talk globe on city to those folks. That was the first time. I think it ever been done live and it it in a really amazing way devastated that place spiritually because it put everybody on their names. Everybody not because of my vocal Ritchie's arrangement, but the power of Christ was so evident happened this morning. I think the change goldtone building as we started getting people to the cross. Yes, we said don't look at us you don't know you not familiar some new because her mom teaches at Piedmont and has for years, but we start appointing them to Jesus and the Savior who hunger and are said and I change the tone changes part of the worship right changes everything. So I'm in a minute I'm in a downtown First Baptist Church we all know what those look and smell like right so I have done everything in my power for last eight and half years push people towards Scripture and to point people to the cross, not to try to change their minds about a style of music, but to point people to the cross, using every creative element that I possibly can that centers around God's word and expend amazing journey. At first, Charlotte okay so stay tuned in the next segment going to play you there when they crucified my Lord with Mark Christian and i.e. I could have you see in this restaurant I mean that the waitstaff mean to me they're not doing anything over there.
In other no common appetizer of amazing grace and the main course you know we know we can. There's no tip jar either point is right here at your patron, but no so Mark Christian Ritchie Kings more Gina keys or the whole team. Charles Billy sees on this album last words of Jesus.com were to put a TruthNetwork.com to talk live.com put everything in the website so you can link and you can get the video you can get it you can get the music in the book as well. We come back in time to hear the music from last words of Jesus. It takes you right to the cross and I actually started seated today. This book is a powerful book on the author of Stu Epperson hosted to talk live in. I got a check in my spirit is normally Lord say hey stop cell remoteness to shut up but just I was working you know what what you said was right but he went on and then just let me impressed upon me, because my were so powerful is worth powerful anything any time anyone of you out there listening is anything involving God's word is powerful because it is an extra music. Mark Christian is true. The word the spoken word rice, that's absolutely correct right on God's word.
Who was it St. Francis said preach the word and when necessary use words yes of God's word is powerful, strong breaks any bond, it's it's it's a beautiful thing so you seen all over the world in this week.
Many times Ritchie Kings more help with us to go. He just cannot Ritchie has a way of aggregating talent in but he also has a way of ministering to people you're going to be in the Ritchie discipleship for anything.
I encourage you and just so cool in him and Jean are an amazing team Ritchie set the song up real play that song to get people to cross you were you there when they crucified my Lord to set it up real quickly and then went to get the canopies are placed here as it is the original composition and then with Margaret set up a and and you know it when we recorded the song act. I just remember that moment. This is Evans been thinking about that song and as that track started to play in market song a couple times and I could start to see it start to hear his voice and see Mark was living that moment and and he actually only we had a conversation about that and I said I said Mark you are there. That's what we want people to to go to that crossing the think it you think of the people that were literally at the cross. When Jesus was crucified and can you imagine the impact that had and and yet all of us have that opportunity to experience the power of the cross, the healing of the cross, the hope of the cross.
The horror of the cross. Everything every emotion and this song really does that. And it's in. And yet it's done is simplicity that is, everybody can relate to. No matter how old or young you are. It just takes you there and so that's my prayer that everybody that listens to this what actually experience that moment when Jesus died, here comes that the lyrics you may know already but Mark, she's in great man, but you did the music right yes my right. I wanted to, even began at almost like a film score because those strings that you know how music kinda takes you somewhere create an atmosphere that's what I think is a cool thing about music that is centered around God's word you create that atmosphere for God's word to speak and that's that's that was really my goal in this they were you there when they crucified my Lord vocals Mark Christian Ritchie. He's more on the composition here is French we come back word here some some work got another symmetrical song say to just take this and in just pray for driving ogles rise but just pray and ask God to take you there and linger there like the great Puritan said just linger and let him work in your heart. Here is an will all thank you so much market powerful song Ritchie Kings more. Another song that's a classic original, but then you took and you made it into something new and Mark actually jumped in with your wife Gina and did they cannot get a worship, together, I don't manage the 80s or duet. I'm just not the link of a total of what happened this morning. That would hallelujah what is a well this hallelujah what a Savior is just one of those those powerful hymns that just connects with us all that the imagery is so rich and yet it takes us from the cross to heaven when were standing before the throne.
And so, as Holly Johnson I'm working through this and as we began to look at this you know we really began. I don't know my my mind and heart with the revelation. Revelation 5. What is that line so we really literally took and added a new chorus to it and then add a new bridge to it and so this morning it just as we were talking about redemption and the goal of our redemption is to see Jesus face-to-face and so as we were, as we decided to do this and you know we kind of took that arrangement. Here is a renewing your mind minute with Dr. RC school every tragedy for the Christian is ultimately a blessing doesn't deny the reality of the tragedy, but ultimately, every tragedy is a blessing and every blessing that the pagan received for which that pagan does not respond in gratitude and repentance before God increases his guilt.
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Mark takes it key change and then from there you know how will you want to save your holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty and it was a powerful moment in which we are listening to us were in the restaurant after this week. The kind lady RRR our server turn the music down force is a lot lower we started I saw Mark Christian down amazing bird that thing was huge, like you, you really you're not shut down the 11 brother and I are long but Mark so the word we just were in the chapel of the Manaus University. I preached about the cross. What did they see what today here the words of Christ on the cross and then you guys are amazing to really just decisions. The whole experience. I guess really unique. Just because a choreographed dimming with you tried it, but Mark you try to silly things about what you know just he's let the Holy Ghost take over you right there. There's we've all been, we were in school or Christian school in and sometimes you walk in dry sometimes walk entire lifetimes walk and broken wondering about next week I can pay for school or whatever and I saw that in everybody's eye could see it and and so the only thing I know to do in life or in ministry. Is this the point people to the cross really is semi that's I remember years ago we were in northern Ontario, Canada for Billy Graham event and I don't think anybody would show up.
We should we go to this hockey rink meets on the middle of nowhere and thousands of people show up and we have so many wonderful responses that night and I went up to text Riordan.
What a great name text. Riordan Texas he Riordan Junior he was one of Texas shortly what tax Texas but anyway he was one of Billy Graham's original crusade. Directors and he is correct directed this crusade.
I went up the text as a text. How in the world and in northern Ontario, Canada you imagine to get. Can you imagine we have for 5000 people in a hockey arena in the middle of nowhere.
How how do you make that happen, then how you get all these people to come together and agree on something and he said Mark we discovered that if we don't meet at the foot of the cross we don't meet anywhere and so this morning we met at the foot of the cross. I talked about it. Richie played about Gina saying about you preached about it and God did his thing. He always well his word is always faithful. Richie and Jesus said if I be lifted up, and I will draw all men to myself so that we don't have to. That's not our part. It's this part, we just have to live Jesus left him a central and then is so cool and you know it's interesting, Richie, set you up to set up the song will play that song right now hallelujah what a Savior falconer producers gonna play it so but she talk about this is your first time in that really and with with Gina Kings Moran course. Holly does great is he's on the Alvin is brilliant and if you haven't downloaded the song but I do's last words of Jesus.
I guess reaching for music is there is also to be all of our websites to talk live.com TruthNetwork.com anywhere but Mark set up a quick what what was it like jump in there man that knew this song is classic but really powerful new bridge with Revelation 4 man well first of all, were you there.
The most difficult part for me in singing that was holding it together and you can hear that my vocal coming at its it was a start. The other song that just devastates me on this album is, is this song Kelly was there because I Richie introduced me to Holly and while not able spend a lot of time with her amazing worship leader Winston-Salem first. Her voice just seems the passion of Christ and and so this is where my favorite cuts on the album so Richie sent who gets to work with Richie Kings more brand-new arrangement. The beautiful thing about technology as he rewrites his thing emails me the the new chart yesterday plays a new track for me sends it to me and in between coaching lacrosse and some other things and worship arts Pastor Amanda solicited a couple times and we came in saying this morning and what a privilege beautiful amazing song. Here it is hallelujah what a Savior from the last rigid use album with Holly singing, but this morning you to sing Gina and Mark Christian. And while what a blessing or share with you right now so you never heard this over planning leading up to Easter and whatever you're hearing this week. I guess you place on front across all your rankings Mark. Absolutely it works everything on good thing, right. So in 2016 University Nortel editorials with the national champion game and they lost the last second shot so in 2017 when you Google redemption in March March madness. One of the first thing that pops up is never struck Ontario's wins – the word redemption and so recently I was able to preach I'm Stu Epperson to talk live experience trooper here with some pretty cool people. But I was able to preach on redemption.
What Jesus said as he died the cross and the impact that the music was so rich. Mark Christian Rich Kings more Gina Kings more.
They were all there, accompanied by the few minor national workingman is amazing that it was there just a room blessing, but that idea redemption price here at team wins after blowing it a year ago and he is a long but after losing on that lesson shot which is a year ago.
Our year before they come back and when it lasted all of every magazine varies foretelling TV, radio, everything and yet that's one game that will go down in history, but a few years now, the team that knew well because my life is so frail and short moment. Everyone had a Carolina association with managers you have had a blue tie.
Whatever was so just exhilarated in your 2000 years ago, Mark Christian, Jesus Christ. One. Redemption and the greatest victory the greatest greatest event in history ever and this is eternity and this fills us with nothing else they can no game can ever fill us with peace because is not fleeting yet. Why are we so dead about the real redemption of the cross understand that there is a holy God that loves us so much that he could not imagine eternity without his children because imagine it and so he was willing to give emptying his proverbial pockets so that we can have an eternity in heaven with him and and there's an old song out that this is only the redeem shall hear his voice, on that day and what a beautiful picture. What a beautiful thought that his desire is that all would come to him all that well and it's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful it's not just for the championship this year is for eternity forever and forever. I go back to the song. What a Savior in the line and there really gets by by your grace I have now… Grains I think some more time to do all these things and every other religion is based on what man does to get Christian licensure.
See not never measure 20 we have the preacher see only thing is, like, say like you did one thing, and I said in my ways in which the text on Facebook. You are so message that I want to see the kids is what if you could get one word find you back net loss loss next to their Jesse Jackson got the private team. The private text numbers of all Tina, do they have a private closed text just a team one word text that were defined for the rest year being the prominent word in the story, the narrative of the next terms. That word was redemption. What one word can I text you right now to find me. Is there a better word, Mark. I can't think of any that says let the redeemed of the Lord say so it's it's all right where we are God's. Are we son it really goes back to what Jesus did on that cross, which is what that third song which is an original that I wrote you and Holly you guys really made us a song you know it's not you know Richie set up a player right now to talk live just to bless those who play Holly what a Savior with marks losses on their willing real quick note, we are going to Simon.
Let's set up a quick song number three time limit is the words of life and it just really the phrases that talk about every chapter you know all of those costs is phrases into into one song and to get us some Jesus speaking and really so I just hope you get a sense of Jesus speaking these words that's that's what I desire was encouraged to go there and make your prayer experience viewing God and what he was doing. You have even redeem redemption coming out of your mouth like Paul said, separating the gospel. Every conversation I have with anyone is to get them closer to get them on the road. The we have been on.
He said he see's Mark Christian Rich Kings more Gina keys were the whole team. Charles Billy sees on this album last words of Jesus.com were to put a TruthNetwork.com to talk live.com put everything at the website so you can link and you can get the video you can get it and you can get the music in the book as well. This is the Truth Network