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Will be your your guest host for today. We have an amazing show for you today. We have Dr. Frank Turk calling in. We're going to have Mr.
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So beginning with our first guest. You probably remember him from the various college tours that he's that he goes on, debating students, answering all kind of questions. He's made he's he's generated a few famous books out there. The latest one called "The War on Reality." The one before that one is one that I personally have. Is I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, and if you don't remember him from those mentions, you probably know him from being Charlie Kirk's mentor.
He was right there with him when that tragedy happened last year, but he's still going strong, and we're grateful for that.
So, apologist, author, all-around good guy. Please welcome Dr. Frank Turek to Truth Talk Live. Hey Jamal, how are you? Doing fine.
How about yourself, sir? Good, good, good. Yeah. Again, it's such a blessing to have you on the show today.
So, considering we have so much we can talk about, I just want to kind of get right in it because we only have you for a short amount of time. But do we have you for thirty minutes, or how long do we have you for? Yeah, I think so. I think to the bottom of the hour. And you mentioned that I was with Charlie.
We just were writing a book. Before Charlie was murdered, and then when he was murdered, my co-author and I looked at one another and said, "This book needs to be dedicated to Charlie." The book is called "The War on Reality," and there's a war on reality, Jamal. There are people out there. Who are claiming there's an infinite number of genders that people are whatever they feel that men can have babies that math is racist? We know that just doesn't add up.
That reason and logic are tools of oppression. That if you're a Christian, you're somehow an oppressor. Even if you are a moral person, if you're a Christian, you're considered an oppressor. We're told that abortion is healthcare. That disagreement is hate and bigotry.
That America is irredeemable and must be torn down. And the only way to defeat racism is to just introduce more racism. We're also told the Bible is false. They'll tell us at the same time they'll claim there is no truth. And we always ask them, is that true?
That there is no truth. Anyway, this book, The War on Reality, tries to bring people back to reality by pointing out reality does exist. It's undefeated. You can deny it. You can you can fight against it, but ultimately you're going to slam against reality, and it's going to hurt.
So we're trying to bring people back to reality with this book, and it's dedicated to Charlie Kirk. In fact. Charlie was one of the few people fighting for reality when so many people were fighting against it. Yes, and that's one of the things that makes Christian apologetics so. For like a better description, so pure, it it really kind of settles the argument.
As the saying goes, right now, facts don't care about your feelings. I've heard other guys say that. I think you might have said that yourself. And when I was on the other side of the argument, still considering myself a Christian. But I was hitting that proverbial wall that you spoke of.
I was like, "Well, wait a minute.
Well, I'm pro-choice, but the Bible says I knew you before you were formed in the womb.
So that's a hard one to get over. Also, you're fearfully and wonderfully made.
So God is saying that He is. In fact, pro-life. Then you add in science, which Christian apologetics gets into, because science and Christianity they're not opposed to each other. As a matter of fact, they can kind of coalesce together. And God, as I've heard, God is a God of science.
Now, God can't prove science, but we can find God's handiwork in science through His creation. Excuse me, through His creation through. His his grand design from the macro to the micro, so I I was again hitting that proverbial wall.
Now I also bought your other book. I don't have enough faith to be an apologist, some apologist to be an atheist, um, and it did what I think you wanted the the title to do was spark a debate. And as soon as I bought the book, took it right up to the counter, and later was like, huh, that's an interesting title. And I was thinking to myself, oh, she must be an atheist.
So we had a nice little conversation, and I said, look, I can't debate right here, although I probably could, thanks to guys like you, Frank, Dr. Turek. I said, well, just consider this: look up any kind of evidence you have, and you'll come to our side because we have more evidence. But to to not go on. I would like for you to tell me the difference, or tell our listeners about the difference between the war in reality in your previous book with Norman Geisler.
I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. What would be the main difference between those books?
Well, the war in reality is dealing more with the cultural issues that we're experiencing now—the ones I mentioned earlier—that people are claiming you're an oppressor if you have certain identities, or that math is racist, or men can have babies, or abortion is healthcare. Whereas I don't have enough faith to be an atheist is arguing from the ground up that Christianity is true.
Now that book came out in 2004, Jamal, but the brand new update for I don't have enough faith to be an atheist comes out October 27th. We haven't updated it until now. After 22 years, so the brand new version comes out October 22nd. For I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, and that book will take you from the ground up to people who say they don't even believe in truth, to the conclusion that the Bible is the word of God.
So we cover it in 12 steps to show that Christianity is indeed the true world view, and anybody that opposes Christianity by definition, if Christianity is true. By definition, if they're opposing Christianity, they're actually warring against reality. When you think about it, but Christianity is indeed true. There is a God. You are not Him.
Jesus came, died, rose again to prove He was God. And by trusting in Him, you're not only forgiven, but given His righteousness.
So the number one message to human beings is to love God and love one another. And when you love God through Jesus, you're actually forgiven and given Christ's righteousness. We're here to make that decision. We're here to follow Jesus to know God and to make Him known. That's why we're here.
That's what Charlie Kirk was doing. Amen. Very when he was shot, that's what he was doing. How about that?
So he he he died living for his faith. Yeah, and. Correct me if I'm wrong, Doctor Turek. I think God was working through you to produce these two books. First, the or first to mention.
I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, as you said. It gives you the ground up. Kind of workings on apologetics, and I know I can speak from personal testimony. I've definitely grown leaps and bounds from your your books, your writings, listening to you talk at college campuses and also churches.
So when you have that basis, that foundation of knowledge, you're almost unstoppable because you can't argue against reality. But hold on, some people do want to argue against reality. You know, like you said, the the genders, and I can self-identify how I want to be, and then when they try to push legislation to back up that fantasy, well, it puts Christians, it puts true believers, not just true believers in Christianity, but true believers in science, in reality, well, pushes us in the corner. To where we have to bend to your fantasy, and if we don't, we get fined, we get in prison, church is shut down, 501C3 revoked.
So, with your new book coming out, the war on reality.
Now we can come back. Combat people that want to have a warm reality, but we'll talk about that after the break. Eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four. Call in with all your comments and questions. We have a reader from North Carolina.
Hold on, but we'll be right back with Dr. Frank Turek. Call in with your questions. Truth Talk Live. Truth Talk.
Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. We have Doctor Frank Turek on the line, Christian apologist and author. Before we went to the break, we were talking about his latest book, "The War on Reality." So, to recap, real quick, and we're going to get to read in just one second. Hold on for a second, please, ma'am.
So, to recap, the the question I was asking. About, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. How it gives you a foundation on your Christian beliefs, apologetics, but how people now want to change realities.
So where, if you have a good foundation, your foundation is no longer valid because I'm changing reality. And if you don't bend to my reality, you're going to get in trouble. You're going to get, you know, going to get lawfare put on you, all kind of fines and cancellation, cancel culture through social media and all that.
So, Dr. Frank Turek, I believe again, God was working through you to have this book to where we can also fight against people having their own reality.
So, if somebody were to come to you and say, well, I have my own reality. I can identify with whatever I want to do or whoever I want to be. What can a Christian response to be to that? And also, what can a governmental response be to that? To where they don't also fall into that?
To where they're giving out lawfare against people that want to have a basic sense of reality. But when people say they have their own reality, I ask them, "Is that the reality that you have your own reality?" Because if you if you have it's a self defeating proposition. It's like saying I can't speak a word in English. You know. We have a section in the book The War on Reality called "Reality Doesn't Have Pronouns." In other words, there's not my reality or your reality.
There's just the reality. There's not my laws of logic or your laws of logic. There's just the laws of logic. There's not my law of gravity or your law of gravity. There's just the law of gravity.
There's not a law that says Thou shalt not murder for me, but there's no such law for you. No, Thou shalt not murder is the reality. It comes from God's nature. It applies to me and you. We don't have our own moral laws.
We don't have our own logical laws. We don't have our own mathematical laws. There are just aspects of reality that we can't change.
Now we can affect reality by the choices we make, but the context in which we're making those choices doesn't change. We are not God. We just can't decide that we're going to, you know, turn the moon into into Swiss cheese. We can't just decide that a man is going to become a woman. We just can't decide that if you have a particular identity, you're automatically an oppressor.
We're supposed to we're supposed to judge people on the on the content of their character, as Martin Luther King said, not the color of their skin. But there's an entire world out there of cultural Marxists who want to judge people by their identity. Groups rather than their behavior. This is against the Bible. It's against common sense.
It's against what Dr. King was saying, and yet. People today are going in the opposite direction. They're going the wrong way, and this is why, by the way, politics are important because you get the wrong people in in politics to put in bad laws, then innocent people get hurt. Amen.
And so Christians have to put in people. They're gonna they're gonna govern according to reality, not govern according to their fantasies or their desires. Exactly, and we're gonna go to Miss Rita from North Carolina. Rita, what's your question, ma'am, or comment? Is Rita there?
All right, Rita.
Sorry, we didn't have we didn't have you on.
Sorry about that, Rita. Please repeat your your statement.
Okay, no, that's fine. I don't have a question, more just a comment, and wanted to say hi to Dr. Turick. I actually have his book right here in front of me, The War in Reality.
So I'm definitely gonna read that. One thing that was mentioned is about science, and I believe a lot of atheists or even non-believers talk about science and how. What they believe proves science, but if you really look at it, so I have a bachelor's in biology. Science points to to Christ. That's the thing.
Science points to Christ, and I was going to mention. I don't know if any of you have heard of this cross-shaped structure called laminin. It is a protein that is necessary for cells to stick together. And so, even in our cell cellular level, it points to crisis. A cross shaped protein called laminin.
So, just wanted to add that to the conversation. And thank you, Frank Turek, for your wisdom. We need that for such a time as this. Thank you, Rita. Thanks for.
The comment: Yes, I like to put it this way, that science doesn't say anything scientists do, and what do I mean by that? We cover this, by the way, in the book. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. That all data needs to be gathered and all data needs to be interpreted, and who does that? Scientists do that.
Science doesn't say a word, and it depends on what the scientists. Philosophy is as to how he or she is going to interpret the data, and I would also like to say that science and Christianity do not contradict. Science and atheism contradicts. Why? Because if there is no God, if there is no immaterial reality, if we're just molecular machines, if we're just moist robots.
As the atheistic materialists believe, then there's no way we can come to valid conclusions based on evidence because we're not reasoning; we're just reacting. We're just chemical machines, and so science couldn't even work if atheism were true. But science makes sense on Christianity because science is built on cause and effect, and every effect must have a cause. And this universe, as you mentioned, was set up. And was designed by this mind out there that created this universe and the laws that govern it, and that is better explained by a mind than it is by just molecules bumping into one another, as the atheists declare.
So, science makes more sense on Christianity than it does on atheism. In fact, all the founders of modern science were all Christians. That is such a good answer, Doctor Doctor Turet, and excuse me, Doctor Turek, and Rita. Thank you for. Calling in with that question.
You mentioned that you have a degree in biology. We met at a Frank Turk event, also at the church in Charlotte. I'm not sure if you remember that. We came up, and of course, we kind of fanned out on you a little bit, doctor. We got a picture and got you to sign books.
So it's an honor for me to interview you. But Rita, you also have a book yourself, don't you? Nothing compared to the Bible and Frank Turk's book, but yeah, I do have a book out. Really, just a testimony on my life, and it's called "The Refinery: Faith Refine Through Test and Trials." But I wanted to quickly, and then I'll have to go add exactly. I love what Frank just said about science test.
Determined, and what NIH has said is that fertilization begins at conception.
So it's crazy how we're still debating things such as abortion, and it's a clump of cells when it has already been determined by, like you said, Frank, science that fertilization begins at conception.
So that is a baby. That is life. That is, you know, and I know we we always talk about that, but it's I don't know why it's oh it's been where people still don't understand that when it's pointing to this is what science is saying. Yeah, well, I I think properly understood, you're correct, but we still have to make an interpretation. When you look at the evidence and you interpret it rightly, it's pointing to an intelligent designer.
And and if you say it's pointing to a natural law, you still have to explain where those natural laws came from. Laws come from lawgivers.
So the very laws of physics themselves are created and maintained by a lawgiver.
So you don't get rid of the need for God, even if you think something is caused by a natural force or a natural law. Laws require law lawgivers, and every effect requires a cause. And all we see around us are effects. You can't go on an infinite regress of causes. You ultimately got to arrive at an uncaused first cause.
Amen to that.
Well, thank you very much for your call, Rita. And before we hit to the break, I want to mention our sponsors because they make this program possible. That's going to be Le Blue Ultra Pure Bottled Water. That's going to be Carolina Wood Floors and Diversified Fence Builders. That's also going to be Mr.
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So. We are coming up on the break. Before we get out of here, we're going to lose some people due to other programming coming on. I want to mention Frank Turick is going to be at the RCR event, October twentieth. You can check it out on TruthNetwork dot com.
It's going to be four twenty five Industrial Drive, Lexington Drive. Again, October twentieth. You can see Dr. Frank Turick and Austin Dillon. Hang on.
Thank you, y'all, Dr. Turick, for calling in. Take care, God bless, sir. Truth Talk Live. Thanks, Jamal.
Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. I want to thank Dr. Frank Turick once again for calling in and sharing about his book, sharing about information on how to defend your faith in the war on reality. Go pick up his books. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
And also, the war on reality. That's Doctor Frank Turek. And also, to plug his event again, that's going to be at the Richard Childress Racing Museum coming up October twentieth. That's going to be sponsored by hometownmen'sfellowship. dot org.
Again, hometownmen'sfellowship. dot dot org. Also, we're going to have NASCAR driver Austin Dillon. That's going to be a speaker as well.
So go check out Frank Turick and Austin Dillon at the Richard Childress Racing Museum, come Tuesday, October twentieth. But as I said at the beginning, we have a full show of heavyweights, and going from one heavyweight to the next, we have Dr. Woolworth from Bible League, and his organization has distributed and is currently distributing Bibles all across the world. That is one way that we can change the world. By having the word get into people's hands that might not have access to get Bibles themselves, so this is going to be a great ministry.
I suggest you all get behind him. And without further ado, welcome to Truth Talk Live, Doctor Michael Woolworth. Jamal, great to be with you today. Great to hear your voice. And hey, listen, I can't say enough about this Truth Network listening family.
Those tuned into Truth Talk, those that listen across the network, who for about ten years have worked with Bible League, Jamal, they've been incredibly generous as we've come and we've said, look, this is what God is doing in His world. Through his word and to urge them to be a part of it, the result of that is that literally thousands, tens of thousands of waiting believers all over the world now have God's word. They're using those to make much of Him and to point others to the hope of the gospel.
So we're so grateful to be a part of Truth Network. We're back for this campaign today, but again, all that to say, it's great to be with you for a few moments. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I did not know that it could be so affordable.
To have Bibles to be shipped across the world, for those that don't know, I'm an avid Truth Talk Live listener. I mean, I'm I don't just guest host; I listen because I get equipped by listening to the show. And I heard this organization for the first time on Truth Talk Live, and I said, "There's no way that could be so affordable, so easy to get Bibles into Africa, to China, to to all over the world for such a low cost." So. I try to be financially careful, you know, frugal is what some people would say. But for the cost of what this organization is charging for Bibles, I had to come out of my wallet, and I've done so, you know, for years now.
So, Mister Woolworth, could you explain the the what it would take to get the Bibles into the hands of people that don't have access to those Bibles?
Well, let me kind of bring you up to speed on on what we've done in the last year and a half, Jamal.
So, you know, biblically, joined with other Bible agencies—names you would recognize and appreciate—Voice of the Martyrs, Frontlines International, Open Doors. We said, look, we know in general people need God's word all over the world, right? We said it can't be a gut feeling. Let's come up with an idea of how many waiting Christians are there around the world. And so, we joined together.
We studied about half of the world's countries, one hundred. In number that are considered under-resourced all over the world, right? And some of those that top the list where the restrictions are greatest, and then where the you know the opportunities are the greatest as well, where you've got you know ten million believers, for example, that have said yes to Jesus and yet walk with Him in the day-to-day without, again, what is so basic to the Christian faith, and that simply having a Bible. You know, on those lists are countries like China and Afghanistan, places in the Middle East. Places you would recognize, right?
But Jamal, we easily identified 125 million waiting believers around the world who go without a Bible. That's because of corrupt governments, majority religions, remoteness, poverty. There's some other factors that weigh in there.
So again, Bible League now in our 88th year of ministry has been engaging people in the Word of God all over the world. We take them through a weekly study.
Somebody in their small village, maybe in the bush of Africa, says, "Come learn about Jesus," right? They'll usually. Bring them into a group study. Then at the end of that, as they say, I want to follow Jesus. Bible League is there to provide a Bible in their own language at a level that they can understand.
And Jamal, we do that for five dollars a Bible. Gone are the days where you would print a Bible here in the states, stick it in a warehouse, eventually put it on a ship, and pray that it gets through port somewhere in about six months' time. What we do now is we work with printers around the world where it's safe to do so, where it makes sense to do so, and as we meet financial constraints like the one. Before us, we want to raise enough to take care of three thousand five hundred Bibles for waiting believers around the world. When that financial constraint is met, we can say what: fire up the presses.
We need Bibles in Mandarin. We need them in Swahili. We need them in the Hindi language on the you know in the nation of India.
So that's how we're able to do it so economically. But our founders back Good Friday, nineteen thirty-eight, in the Chicago area. Jamal, they always envisioned. There be carrying groups of believers like those tuned into the Truth Network right now that would catch a glimpse of what God is doing and say, "Look, I need to be a part of that today." Amen to that. And I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss hear what you said earlier.
You said millions of people have gotten saved through these efforts. Yeah, we've you know in our nine almost ninety years of ministry, about ninety million have been reached with the gospel. Every day we do that for about six thousand people around the globe. Six thousand people come to saving faith. We train about five hundred people every day to to to share their faith with others.
And then new church, one new church is planted about every three and a half hours somewhere in the world with the help of Bible League. But Jamal, we could not do what we do without again. Listeners to the Truth Network, that again have been so generous to those to whom we are called to to serve all over the world. But you know, before we go to break, love to give you a very quick story from the country of India. Please, it kind of shows how ministry for Bible League unfolds all over the world.
Can I do that? Yeah, please. Yeah, let me tell you about Vishnu. This is India, the world's most populated country. China held that top spot for a number of years.
India is the top spot now. But I'm telling you, this is a tough place to live out your faith. In 26 states within India, there are anti-conversion laws. If you share what Christ means to you, they can throw you in jail. We know pastors that have been jailed.
They've been beaten.
Some have lost their lives because of those anti-conversion laws. But that does not keep people like Vishnu from sharing his faith. Jamal, he's a rickshaw driver. I don't know if you know what a rickshaw is, but you know he'll drive people around.
Some of these are tourists in India.
Some of these are just workers going from home to work and back home again. But you know he manually pedals about five or six people in that rickshaw. That is how he provides for his family of five. He's been thrown in jail. He's been beaten because he shares his faith with his passengers in a very quiet, winsome way.
So yes, some people have turned him in to the authorities. But I can tell you, he's invited many of those to come learn about Jesus through this Bible study from Bible League, where people learn week by week who is Jesus, how is he both God and man, what's it mean to die to self and to put on Christ in the day to day, and by the grace of God and through the gumption of that man Vishnu Jamal, I can tell you today that in recent months, 182 former Hindus have said yes to Jesus. They're now walking with him. They're praying for Bibles in a country that really makes. It's difficult to find a Bible, but as I love to say, enter the Truth Network, and we intend to do something about it today.
Our goal by the end of October is to bless three thousand five hundred waiting believers, and now you know one hundred and eighty-two within the walls of India praying for your generosity today. Amen. So to call in after all of that, it's going to be eight hundred nine three seven. Nine six seven three or one eight hundred. Yes, word to get a Bible to the Bibleless again.
Get your pens out. Get your phones out. Going to be giving out the the number so you can record and send a Bible to Bibleless believers. Eight hundred nine three seven. Nine six seven three or eight hundred.
Yes, word, and that's also going to be fifty dollars for ten Bibles, hundred dollars for twenty Bibles. That's, I don't want to say it's it's small change, but compared to a hundred and eighty people plus going from Hindu to Christianity to where we may not go normally. The plane ticket alone is going to be a lot more than that. Who do you talk to? What are your connections?
So it's going to be very difficult, very time-consuming to do all of that, which Bible League has already done for us. They've already done the legwork, the hard work, the connections. All we need to do is just send money. And now you can do that if you want to do more. But if you just want to send some help quickly to get a Bible into the some in the hands of somebody who does not have a Bible, call us up.
Eight hundred nine three seven nine six seven three, and that's going to be again fifty dollars for ten Bibles, a hundred dollars for twenty Bibles, or you can go to truthnetwork truthnetwork dot com. Click on the link B L I truthnetwork dot com. Click on the link to B L I.
So, Mister Woolworth, let me ask you this one question also: for all these conversions and all these Bibles getting to the hands of people. Have you seen a lot of change in the areas to where the Bible has been read and given out?
Well, we've seen entire, almost entire villages come to Christ. You know, I'm thinking of a woman in Sri Lanka. They're one of those countries that got hit hard by the tsunami of 2004. Remember that, Jamal? I do.
250,000 people were killed.
So, Sri Lanka was one of those that was hit very hard. They've also had a civil war for many, many years. It's killed many of their people, right? But I can tell you, there's a woman affected by that tsunami and by that civil war that had been trained to share Christ with biblically. This is only in the last year, right?
She had 70 adults in her country, in their community, her small community there in Sri Lanka, and I can tell you today that 50 of those now follow Jesus. More than half of the adults in that village are now following the Lord. Most of those were Hindus, some of those were Muslims. But again, that's the impact that you can see. It happens at only five dollars a Bible.
But listen, isn't that what we pray for? That the gospel would take grip all over the world.
Now we can tell you as many as nine of ten new Believers in the regions where we serve, which is Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Latin America, on average, as many as nine of ten go without what is so basic to walking with the Lord, and that's simply having a Bible. I mean, Jamal, you think of the Psalmist in one nineteen when you know he says, you know, cherish God's word, hide it in your heart. But the question is. How do you do that when you've never held it in your hands?
So again, Bible League and Truth Network have come together, and we've said, "Look, let's fill these waiting hands today. We want to do this for three thousand five hundred. We need to do it by the end of October." A couple of your great listeners that have gotten involved: Dennis in New Paris, Ohio, listening to Truth Talk today, said, "I want to be a part of this at a dozen Bibles." Diane, listening in Winston Salem, North Carolina, said, "Michael, Jamal, count me in at eight Bibles." So that's how we get there. It's called by Call it's click by click, and again, you send those Bibles. I know you'll feel the joy of filling waiting hands.
But Jamal, I've seen people at the on the receiving end. They've sung, they've danced, they've cried, they've some of just stood there quietly, clutching the book that will tell them about the God who loves them. But be a part of this. We want to accomplish this together. It's two ministries, Bible League and Truth Network, and as you say, two ways to get involved today for five dollars a Bible, sixty dollars.
We'll take care of a dozen today. It's eight hundred. Yes, word, or just click the Bible League banner. You can find that at truthnetwork dot com. That's right.
And before we go to Buxman, let me add in another plug, folks. Your your fast food meal is going to cost about five dollars, seven dollars. Add on another five dollars to send a Bible out. Again, that's going to be eight hundred. Yes, word nine three seven nine six seven three to get a Bible into these countries to where the Bible is not legal, to where it's going to be hard to get onto a Bible.
Call us up. We have Doctor Michael Woolworth with us. We have Bucks Bucksman from Dayton. Stay tuned. Truth Talk Live.
Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. We have Doctor Woolworth on the phone with us, talking about Bible League and getting a Bible into the Bible in hands of the Biblelist. That's going to be eight hundred nine three seven nine six seven three. Five dollars for a Bible, fifty for ten, hundred for twenty. Millions are being saved.
Millions of bibles have gone out. It it costs only five dollars to send one. Would you be a part of this movement, please? We we need bibles in the hands of everyone across the world. But before we get to Mr.
Woolworth, we're going to bring in Bucksmen from Dayton. Bucksmen, how you doing, sir? Hey, it's good to hear you, Jamal. You sound great out here in Dayton, Ohio. By the way, thank you, sir.
Hey, Doctor Woolworth, thank you for your service. Evangelism, getting Bibles in the hands of of people all across our globe. I want to ask a question, Doctor. Is there any resource that a Christian can go to to survey the Movement of Christianity in a certain country or culture, like you know, as we're talking about these third world countries, I'm very much interested in to see how you know if it's Bible League or whoever to track how many of the populace are coming to Christ. Is there anything that you know, sir, that's available?
For someone like me, a researcher, that I would love to have that information. It gives me something to pray about, but also, you know, a strategic point to focus in on.
Well, you know, I'm glad you're hearing it. It's a beautiful day in Ohio. That's God's country out there, right? Oh, is it ever? I mean, we got 72 degrees.
Actually, it's a little bit cooler than that. It is, it is picturesque. I think this is what heaven's going to look like there, Doc.
Well, I hope so. I hope so. Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen. Go to bibleleague.org forward slash BAL.
That's Bible Access List. That's the study I'm talking about. You know, I love what you're saying. And it's not enough to just pray in general, Lord. You know, be with those people that might be, you know, kicking tires about Christianity, right?
You want to pray with specificity wherever you can to know where, you know, where God is at work. And that's the reason we we engage in this study was to be able to not just have a gut feeling about where the needs, where the restrictions are greatest in the world, but But are we focusing in the right areas? You know, we've found out that Bible League, now in its 88th year of ministry, is serving in 24 of the top 25 countries, where you know the opportunities are the greatest, where there's 10 million or more believers who have come to the saving faith, and yet they're again living among majority religions and corrupt governments that prevent them. From having a Bible. Listen, you and I are excited about church growth, but there are certainly forces at work in the world that push back on this.
But again, go check this study out. It is fascinating. There's there's interactive maps there, and it all starts free of charge. Go find that at bibleleague.org. Forward slash and the letters B A L, and that'll give you an idea.
You know, where's God at work, and where can you be be praying specifically? And so, you know, ministries like Bible League, again, 80 years young. It's really incumbent upon us to give you accurate information, again, so you can pray in in a very specific way, and also direct your dollars. You know, we're on this station today. We're on this this network.
You know, asking fellow believers, you know, to send. Even half a world away, you deserve to know where is God at work. Where does it make sense for us to invest our dollars and our prayers?
So again, BibleLeague dot org forward slash b a l. And again, I am so grateful that again you you posed that question. I think that'll be a valuable resource for you. Hey, Bucksman, we also yeah yeah we we have a lot of content to get onto with Doctor. Wolverth here, but as always, you know you're an avid listener, avid caller, and you're probably driving around as Mr.
Dilmore saying in the Buxman mobile sharing the gospel. I'm in the Buxman mobile, Jamal. You better believe it. I can't not. I mean, even if I'm not not talking about the Lord, Jamal, Doctor Woverth, my car is the Buxman mobile.
All right, God bless you, sir. All right, Doctor Woolworth. We are running short on time, but we just had a lot to talk about.
So, I've have some information here about a story from a refugee camp in Malawi. Yeah, would you care to talk about that story, please, sir? Yeah, yeah, I know we're up against the the the top of the hour.
So let me let me break and let me make this brief. This is a great story, Jamal. This Elieka refugee camp. You know, Africa is home to the highest number of refugees in the world, about 50 million people displaced from their countries, likely to never return. They end up at a place like this Elieka refugee camp in Malawi.
This is UN funded, Jamal. I saw a documentary on this. I think the BBC did this only a couple of months ago. It showed the chaos that defines. The Boleka refugee camp.
They've packed sixty thousand women, men, and children in a place that was designed only for about ten thousand. There's poor sanitation. People get sick. They die. There's people groups here that absolutely hate each other.
There've been assaults, rapes, murders. I mean, you name it. It is a place of chaos. But Jamal, there were local churches in that area that said, "You know, we've got to take the hope of the gospel into this place." They began to work with Bible. We provided without charge to these underees.
Churches, Bible studies, like I talked about last segment, in the three prominent languages in that camp, that's Swahili, Karundi, and French, right? And so those churches went in, started about 50 Bible studies.
Some of those exclusive to women, some of those exclusive to men, about 50 people each. And I can tell you, by the grace of God and through the gumption of those churches, going to that chaos of the Zalika refugee camp, Jamal, a thousand people have said yes to Jesus in that. Camp. A thousand people have said, "I want to follow Jesus." And the mainstream media that follows this UN-funded Zelika refugee camp cannot deny that the gospel is truly transforming lives. There is pockets of of order and a calmness coming to that camp.
And again, it's people coming to saving faith, and again, their their lives are are changed. One of those in that camp, though, Jamal, is a woman by the name of Miriam. Her husband died in that camp, leaving her a widow with. Three young children, ages three, five, and seven. Her future is anything but certain.
Again, she's a refugee. Who knows where she's going to end up? But I can tell you, she's one of these that has come to saving faith. She's focused on following Jesus. Wants to lead her children in the ways of the Lord.
And she's praying for a Kurundi language Bible.
So, isn't God's at work? I don't always wake up and wonder what's he doing in a country like Malawi, Africa. But again, you know, the gospel is is alive. It's going forth. A thousand new members.
Of our spiritual family aren't praying for our pity or for our protections today. What are they praying for? It's the precious word of God. And people like Jim of Salt Lake City said, "I'm in at ten Bibles." Helen of Charlotte, North Carolina said, "Michael Jamal Calve in for ten Bibles." Marie of Durham, North Carolina said, "I want to be a part of this. A sixty-dollar gift today for a dozen Bibles." And again, by the time we reach the end of October, Jamal, our prayer, all of our work is focused on what blessing three thousand five hundred waiting.
Believers that we know by name at Bible League, and again, two ways to get involved today. I'll share this before we wrap up. That's 800 YES word, 800 Y E S W O R D, 800 YES word, or just click the Bible League banner. You can find that at truthnetwork.com. That's truthnetwork.com.
But again, Jamal, we've worked together for many years. The result is that many people have come to Christ. They're sharing the Lord Jesus with others, and the stories of I'm back to share today. You know, it all started with the Bible.
Somebody able to share what's in that Bible, and a gracious God willing to bring people from the grips of spiritual darkness.
So, a little gap between where we are today and where we need to be in a few short weeks. But if there is a carrying group of believers that can get us there, it is the Truth Network listening family. Thank you for that, Doc. And just to jump in real quick, we got a Sean calling in from Winston Salem. Sean, you have about a minute.
Sorry, sir. We just had a lot of content. Had to cover.
So, what's on your mind, sir? Sure. Given all the things that that that have just recently been discussed, and given you know where our country is, and you know you have a group that believes this, or group that believes that, a subset of that group believes this, and a subset of other group believes something else different. Where should we be putting our focus at?
So that way, we can try to you know overcome all of these challenges and differences that we have.
Well, you know, we see people all over the world come to faith. They leave all the isms of the world, right? And we say to those Christians locally, "What do you do? Do you try to pick apart, you know, Islam or Hinduism?" They say, "No, no. We focus on the genuine gospel.
We simply learn to present the gospel in its purity, and we rely on God to do the work." And that's what we're seeing all over the world. Doesn't matter if that's among you know Buddhist in Thailand or you know radicalized Islam somewhere in the Middle East. Right or Hindus in India, you know, people are sharing the gospel. God's at work; He's drawing us into that work. And again, you know, from what we're trying to do together is Bible League and Truth Network.
You know what happens for the princely sum of only five dollars a Bible.
So, Jamal, I would say if you can find a better kingdom investment, chase that today. But if not, Be a part of this. Experience the joy of Billy Wading Hands today again. God's at work all over the world, and to think that wherever He has you listening today, you can be a part of this at only five dollars a Bible. That is so good, and Sean, thank you for that question.
For those that don't know, Sean is the head of a web design group called Nerdy Dozen. You can check them out online. Very good group. I've used them as well.
So thank you for calling, Sean, and check out NerdyDozen.com. Take care and God bless, my brother. Yes, thank you.
So we have about a minute left or so.
So, folks, we don't really do things at Truth Talk Live that we don't take a part of that we don't do ourselves.
So we we have skin in the game to to kind of use that phrase, and we are about getting the word of God out on on the radio, online, in person through conversations. And also through organizations like this that give out the Bibles physically to people's hands, and when you have it in your hands and you can share it, talk about it, reference it, pastors in some countries have to share Bibles with people in their congregations because they only have one Bible for the whole church or for a small church. We have Bibles in our cars, we have Bibles on our phones, we have Bibles all throughout our houses.
Some churches only have one Bible for the whole con. Congregation, you can help out with five dollars a Bible. That's one eight hundred nine three seven nine six seven three. Or go to truthnetwork dot com, click on the BLI link. Doctor Woolworth, thank you very much for sharing your story and your organization.
We pray that you all do well. Thank for calling in. Hey guys, Bible League. Thank you, brother. Oh, you're very welcome, Bible League.
Frank Turek, check them out. Truthnetwork dot com. Take care and God bless.
