The Power of Revival

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Well, hello, this is Michael Zwick. I am with my good friend Robbie Dillmore. This is Truth Talk Live. What are we talking about today? We are talking about revival.

What does revival look like to you? You know, that's the question that I've got today. What does revival look like to you? And Robbie, all over the country. It's not just in small pockets.

It's not just on Christian television or anything like that. It is on CBN. They're talking about how there's revival that's spreading on college campuses, Ohio State University, all over the place. But it's even on Fox News. It's in the mainstream media is talking about how there has been a change.

There has been a revival and it is really cooking.

So, what does revival look like to you? 866-348-7884-866-34TRUT. And it looks like we've got a Sherry on the phone. Sherry, are you there? I guess she's not there yet.

Oh, you are? Yes, I am. Welcome to the show, Sherry.

So, what does revival look like to you? What um Revival looks like to me is um The expectation of Seeing miracles. And, um Healings. Deliverance just like when Jesus walked the earth. That having the expectations and seeing it happen.

living in a manner where we are expecting it. And um and it will happen. It has happened. It does happen. And um I think that that's a key part to the revival.

Because when the wonders and miracles show up, People? show up too because they want to see them. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and let me ask you, because and this is what I was talking about at the beginning of the show, is that you're hearing revival everywhere. And now, where are you out of uh Charleston, South Carolina, is that right?

Yes, sir. Are you seeing it? Are you feeling the revival where you are right now? Yes. I am.

We are seeing small pockets of it. I'm blessed enough to be part of a deliverance ministry. And so when we go into deliverance, I see the captives being set free all the time. And there is often a physical healing to it as well.

Okay. Just recently was at a service where a woman came in and had lupus and walked out healed of lupus. That's good.

So are you sliding? The deaf here, so. Yeah, are you seeing repentance? Are you seeing lives changed as well? People actually turning away from sin?

Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes, those that are willing. Definitely bend the knee and submit to the Lord and come to know Him personally. And yes, they are repentant.

Yeah, it's we you know, we're hearing about it all the time. And there's a lot of stuff that we're seeing. And I'll tell you this, Robbie, while we're here, is that years ago, we had actually had somebody come into our county And when they came in, they said, I don't know if they had a vision or a dream or something, but they said that they saw somebody skipping a rock. Did I tell you this? Skipping a rock across a lake.

And they said that the rock that was skipping was the revival. And they said that the first skip of the rock was actually going to be in Alamance County. And so it's funny, and I don't know if you remember this, Robbie, back in 2016, we had a. Tent revival. What do you remember about that?

I I just remember seeing that tent there on hearing. Can she hear me? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? I just heard my mic come on.

But anyway, yeah, there was a tent that was there by the Toyota store in Burlington, and what was supposed to be a short period of time, it ended up just being it went on and it went on and went on. And we heard all sorts of people turn to the Lord, all sorts of Wonderful. like she talks about, when you see somebody delivered from anything. Uh you know, it it in fact i i is a miracle and word spreads and that It creates curiosity, curiosity seekers like, man, people want there to be a savior. Yeah.

You know, I think that's one of the best parts, the easiest parts, I guess, for us. Is that even the atheist, and I've heard them say this before, even the worst atheist, they. They don't want that to be true. They don't want to die and for nothing to happen. They want something afterlife.

I've heard them say this, and they say it's just hard for them to believe. But then, once they see things, and I think, like Sherry was just saying, you know, you, lady, you got lupus and you walk out of a meeting, you no longer have lupus.

Okay, there's something here, right? I mean, and a few years ago, you know, we had our friend Christy Real. You remember Christy Cameron's sister? Right. And she had come to me and she said, Mike, she said, I saw Jesus put a gift inside of your chest.

And then all of a sudden, I start praying for people. And it was just amazing. People were getting healed and stuff like that. And I also saw after a while, I said, well, hold on. It's great that they're getting healed, but I also need to tell them the good news of Jesus.

And what does the gospel mean? That Jesus died on the cross for your sins, that you're a sinner, and that apart from putting your faith and hope in Jesus Christ, that you're going straight to hell. I don't say it like that, but that you are. On your way to hell, essentially, and that there is one way. There is one one, there is one who can save, and his name is Jesus Christ.

And lives are changed, man. I mean, lives are absolutely changed. Robbie, you were actually into Scientology. Is that right? Before you became a Christian?

Yeah, that's right. And I mean, from that, this mic is, we're having a tough time on the mic, but yeah, God delivered you from that.

Well, switch this mic and see if there's anything else. Yeah, yeah, this one works. But God delivered you from Scientology. Right, through a process. I didn't go to an event somehow, but it was a matter of meeting my wife, and she was like, You're going to go to church, and I didn't see any harm in it.

And it led to me reading the Bible and finally seeing, you know, like, oh my gosh, all the traps that Scientology had provided. But fascinatingly, in its own way, I call it a vival because I hadn't ever been vivalized. I didn't need to be revivaled. Right, right. And so as I was.

You know, just freed from that burden that I'd carried all those years. And I began to see things. You know, as you begin to see Christ, you begin to see other people. And at church, you know, you began to have communities and friends like you and I. I can't imagine doing life without Mike's wick, right?

And imagine. Is it Chris Sherry. Sherry. It's the same way for you, right? You got all kinds of people in that community now with your family.

Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. And so that brother and sister thing just becomes huge and it's it's it's life and life abundant, right? Absolutely. And Robbie, you were were you 41 years old when you had cancer?

I was. And you had a healing story. Right, exactly. I um was working at the dealership there in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. And a man was driving around.

He was the pastor at the time at First Presbyterian Church. And the Lord told him there was somebody in there that needed to be healed. And so he came into the dealership and asked our finance manager, Is there somebody here that the Lord told me needs to be healed? And he goes, Oh, Robbie Dilmore's back there. He's got lymphoma, a really deadly form of it.

And he won't even come out on the showroom because he's covered in these tumors. He looks like a freak. And so this pastor comes back there. And at the time, I'd been a Christian maybe three years or four years. And he says, Well, I'm here to anoint you with oil and lay hands on you.

And I thought, You're here to do what? I had no idea. And so it wasn't like I had this amazing faith to be healed, or did I come to an event to be healed? But nonetheless, he did exactly what he said he came to do. And as I said, I was covered in these tumors.

I was supposed to start chemotherapy on that Monday. This was a Friday afternoon. And when he prayed, there's no doubt I felt something like. This is different. When I showed up for my chemotherapy treatment on Monday, I did not have one of those tumors, not any.

I was cancer-free. Rain gone. Yeah, yeah. Right, it was awesome. It's beyond awesome what God can do and what God's done with that story for years.

Yeah, and we'll be right back: 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. This is Michael Dwick. We are back, and we are better than ever. And I tell you what.

Revival is here, but what does Revival look like to you? Are you still there, Sherry? What else did you have to say? You know, as I leaned into the Lord in my journey, I also received a miraculous healing. And I had gone to a conference and um Had Okay.

Going to a chiropractor, was seeing a chiropractor regularly. They said I had um Fused vertebra in my neck. and in between my shoulder blades, two different places.

So those two joints worked The muscles had, I mean, the vertebra had grown together, and it was probably congenital, meaning from birth. and I did not have movement full movement in my neck or in between my shoulder blades. And so the muscles would tighten up and it would be very painful. And I ended up going to um a Christian a women's conference. And it was about healing.

And um they Someone got a word and said there's someone here that has back and neck pain. And um You are to be healed. And I claimed it. I said, yes, that's me, that's me.

Well, that night I prayed and I went up and they laid hands on me and they prayed and I didn't get my healing. Got it. Evening. Um the next morning I come in and I am praising God and just getting into the music and Praising God, and I get a vision of the Lord reaching down, and I saw Him put His hands on my neck. And with his thumbs, He popped.

The vertebra and I felt my body jolt. Wow. Um, twice. two different places. And I was miraculously healed.

And to the point that I don't have vertebra that are fused together anymore. Praise the Lord. Yeah, isn't that awesome? You know, and I think when you, yeah, and I think when you see that, it builds your faith, but I think it also gets you on fire, and you want to tell other people about the goodness of the Lord.

So. Sherry, I want to thank you for the call. I think we'll see you, and Sherry's a friend. I think we'll see you next weekend, okay? Yes, sir.

All right. We'll talk to you soon. You too. Bye-bye. Joanne?

And we've got a Joanne next from Miami, Florida. Is it Miami Gardens or Miami, Joanne? It's Miami Gardens, but We've used it, you know, it's the same thing. It's just the worst where, um yeah, there's really no difference to suburb. I think we lost Joanne for a second.

I don't know what happened, but anyways, I hope you guys can hear me. We are still here, and I've got Robbie here. Robbie. What is, you know, and we've talked about this a little bit. We've let the listeners chime in on this, but what does revival look like to you?

Yeah, it's a neat word. And I I think it's confusing.

Okay. I think people get awakening. I like that word that you use often. It's an awakening where a lot of people are coming to Christ that don't know Christ. And so they don't need to be revived because they've never been revived.

And so when they come to Christ, that's awakening, right? And I love that. And it's often accompanied by miracles and other stuff. But there's churches that do need to, like the church in La Cidea that Jesus wrote a whole letter to talking about, you're lukewarm. I wish that you're either hot or cold.

And how do we get hot again? And he explains some things or the book of, I mean, excuse me, the first church, which is the book of the church at Ephesus, and they'd lost their first love. And so, you know, there is an opportunity for the church itself to come alive and get back to what it was, the works that they were doing at first and those kind of things. And so it's a fascinating idea. But what I think.

Personally, is that what's happening in these campuses and what happened in the 70s and the Jesus movement was more of an awakening, even though a lot of people call it a revival. It's okay. It doesn't matter what you call it. God's doing something and it's amazing. It is amazing.

And I think we got Joanne back. Are you there, Joanne? Yes, I damn. I guess I don't know how it happened, but I got cut off.

So what what does revival look like to you, Joanne?

Okay, now there are three reasons that go hand in hand. Repentance. Surrender and obtaining.

Now, I will tell you the difference.

Okay, so repentance. involves in the heart, mind, and leading in different actions. That's in Acts 2620. Repentance recognizes that your sin is offensive to God. Um Your and repentance also makes up face-to-face your heart directly to turn away from yourself to God.

Repentance. sets up a new force. away from the past toward the future. and rules by God's command. And acknowledge that the Lord reigns superior to your existence.

Which involves a commitment to renew your relationship with God.

Now, surrender is an always, it is Proverbs 3:6. Which is trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not to your own understanding, in all thy ways, acknowledge in him, and he will direct thy path. Subject of yourself. in James four seven, denying yourselves Um In Luke 9, 23, give your heart, Proverbs 23, 26. Humble yourself, James 4:10.

Last is obtaining your walk to gain entrance, not just temporarily, but permanently with the Lord. And to keep whole. In all three of these, you have a strong revival, and the Holy Spirit will intervene on your behalf. That is awesome.

Well, Joanne, you know, you seem to know what it is. There's some people who say, well, I think what, but I love that you wrote that down and you know it. And, Joanne, we appreciate your call. I believe we've got a Fred who is out of Winston-Salem. And He's not coming up, but Fred, are you there?

Hi, I'm Mike. Hey brother, uh Fred actually we know Fred from Wednesday in the Word. You know Fred Hagee, Robbie, but I know him from a different place. Did you know that? Where do you know Fred?

See, Fred owned University GP Eagle. Yeah. And when University Jeep Eagle sold to Bob Neal Pontiac, He called Robbie Dilmore to be his general manager, but David Neal did, as Fred was the reason I came to Winston-Salem. How about that, Fred? And Fred knows that.

Hey, Robbie, how are you doing, brother? Always great to hear from you, my friend. Yeah, Fred actually wrote a book on evangelism, and I've read it several times. We've given it out in our church. Fred, what's the name of the book?

Give him J. Jesus. Give them Jesus. What is it? Every soul winner's, what is it?

The only Soul Winner's Handbook you will ever need. Give Em Jesus, the only soul winner's handbook you will ever need by Fred Hagey, and it's H E G E. I've read it several times. And Fred, what does revival look like to you? Yeah.

Well, I think there are several characteristics to our Bible. One is a hunger for truth. Mike, and I see a hunger for truth out there today everywhere I go. Barna Group just did a survey not too long ago, and they asked a group of people who are non Christians, would you be willing to listen to a presentation of the gospel from somebody who is passionate about their faith? And an astounding for me, 70% said, I would be willing to listen to that presentation.

70%.

So, you know, I think sometimes, Fred, we think that nobody wants to hear what we have to say. But the truth is, and I've been out with you to the bus station, is that people are searching for something. And Fred, I believe you said in the last six months or the last year, you've seen a new spirit in this country.

Okay. Oh, definitely. I think people are fed up with the status quo. They're fed up with the state of current affairs. that we've had in this country in recent months and years.

And I think they're looking for truth, they're looking for revival, and I think that spirit's especially strong among our young people. Absolutely. And Fred, if you could just hold the line, we're going to go to a break real quick, and you're going to give us some easy steps how we can actually share the gospel and help people to know Jesus Christ. We'll be right back. Truth talk.

You're listening to the truth network and truthnetwork.com. 866-34TRUCH, 866-348-7884. What does revival look like to you? And Fred, you've written a book, but we were just talking about this over the break, Fred, with Robbie. And one of the things that we said was this, is there is nothing like seeing a new person come to Christ.

There is nothing like seeing that excitement on their face of when they first realize that Jesus died, not just for the world, he died for me, and that Jesus loves me and that he cares for me. And Fred, you actually hit the streets and you do that. Is that right? I do. Go ahead, what is that like?

If we're not sharing our faith, We're not experiencing the joy that God intended for us. That element's missing. And so, when you're out there sharing your faith, some people think it's an onerous chore or it's something that they have to do. But, Fred, can you actually enjoy it? Oh yeah.

It Mike, it's just a matter of getting prepared. It's a matter of tailoring and culturing your own skill set that you develop. The book will walk you through step-by-step how to. Tailor your own personal witnessing skill set. that you tailor specifically for your Personality type.

We're all different. But once we get that skill set down and get confident in that systematic approach, Then Um Everything kind of seems to come together. It doesn't. And, you know, because people always ask, they say, well, what the heck am I supposed to say to somebody if I want to talk to them about Jesus? You're sweating bullets and all this stuff.

But you actually have a plan. And there are some times where I'm sure the plan changes a little bit, and there's some situations that come up. But what's the first question that you ask them, or what's the first thing you say to somebody?

Well, Mike, the first step is the engagement question. It's our responsibility to engage that law center. That's our responsibility. we need to do that and try to have our scripture source. in front of that law center in about a minute and a half.

Four or five minutes is all we're going to get in most cases. Not always, but that's about the most that we're going to get.

Okay, and so what is the first question that you ask usually? Uh I ask, is there something I can pray with you for? Do you have a copy of the New Testament? Just whatever you feel comfortable with. And uh my next step, Mike, is to to uh Determine whether there's a presence of the Holy Spirit here in this individual.

So, Fred, and I've been out with you before. The first thing you do before you even go there is you pray. Is that right? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

And then once you get there, what is it, the acid question?

Okay. Well, first of all, I ask an engagement question to get their attention and get them engaged thinking about my scripture source. And I apply a spiritual thermometer, which is a series of questions. Do you have spiritual beliefs? Uh do you believe in God?

And and then sometimes Generally, I will ask what I call the acid question, which is, On a scale of zero percent to one hundred percent, how certain are you that if you died today, you would spend eternity in heaven? And the answer to that tells me everything I need to know.

Okay, what do you mean exactly?

Well, I will usually get an answer like, well, I'm 50-50. Certain of my salvation, or I'm 90% sure, or I have no assurance whatsoever. And I immediately try to get them to the scriptures. I want them reading. I want them to hear that truth coming out of their lips, into their ears.

Uh into their heart. And so what scriptures what scriptures do you give them, Fred?

Well, my favorite ones are John 3.16. Romans 3.23, Romans 6.23. Uh Romans 10.13. Romans 10.9, Romans 10.13. And so John, so John 3:16, if you have them read it, it says, For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

And then you said you go to Romans 3:23, and that's, I believe it's that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And then you said Romans 6:23, and it says, For the wages of sin is death. But it says, But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. And what's the next one after that, Fred? Uh I generally use uh Revelation 320.

And what is that? Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him. I like that one. I like Romans 10, 9.

uh romans 10 13 and romans 10 9 for the listeners for the listeners who don't know what is romans 10 9 Um If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Fame. God's promise. one hundred percent guaranteed. Yeah, and so and some people may say, I'll I'll put it off or I want to do it later, but what does Romans 10, 13 say?

Therefore, whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Yeah. And the Bible also says that today is the day of salvation. And so, Fred, the book that you've written, once again, it's called What? Give them geez.

The only Soul Winner's handbook you will ever meet. Give them Jesus, the only soul winner's handbook you'll ever need. And Fred, I remember one of the stories you told me. You said you were, I think, in your 40s and you were frustrated that you had very rarely, if ever, led somebody to the Lord. But what happened?

Christmas.

Well Uh 95% of the body of Christ have never led one person to Jesus. Not one, 95%. And I was in that 95% for about 48 years. And at that time, I was just struggling with some guilt that I just couldn't deal with. And uh I enrolled in uh Piedmont Bible College at that time to study evangelism and uh personal witnessing.

Okay. And what got you over that home to first start talking to people? What did you first see? Mike up. I caught a vision at 28th in Cleveland there, downtown Winston, when I saw a young evangelist who was my instructor lead a young lady there with acute sickle cell disease to Christ.

I caught a vision that day. I sensed that power that you were talking about a minute ago and sensed that joy. But Mike, it was really, really hard for me. It was just something that I really didn't feel comfortable with. I had to work very hard in meeting my class requirements and sharing my faith.

And I used to go down to the old Marketplace Mall down there off of Peter Street Parkway. And back there in the back is a section that faces the kudzu where the speaker where the smokers used to congregate to smoke. And I used to go back there and share the gospel 'cause I was so scared. I was afraid I'd meet somebody I would know. And I was almost afraid of success, if you know what I'm saying.

And and I'll I I I had to read. And I had to apply my skill set. Get rusty, I go back and have to read. and reapply my skill set. And that was a process it took me.

probably three, four, five months. And all of a sudden I I got confidence in my skill set. And I it it's This is a more important fact right here. I got confident in the Word of God, in the power of the Word of God. And once I realized that God wasn't depending on me so much as He was depending on me to share that scripture and expose them to the power of God's Word.

And once I realized that, then it just kind of became academic for me.

Well, and we've got Fred Hagee here, but guess who just walked in, Fred? Robbie Dilmore. No, no, we've got Stu Epperson right here. Stu Epperson. Fred, I love that soul winning book, man.

Hey, buddy, you're on fire, man. It's always good to hear you, brother. I'll tell you right now, this guy's a soul winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the question is today, and we've still got Fred on the phone, but the question is, what does revival look like to you?

So, Stu, what does revival look like to you?

Well, some people haven't been vived yet. Wait, you said that.

So you're messing. Revival, you know, it's a word that's synonymous with awakening. You think of the word prayer. It's not something that can be, and we have revivals and we should continue to have revivals, right? You know, five nights of a preacher coming out or different services, but it's something that can't be manipulated.

fabricated, duplicated, It's something that is the, it's a movement of God. And it really is, it's marked by a deep sense of his presence, a deep sense of my own sin. There's repentance, there's confession of sin, there's people getting right with God. It's painful. And I grew up with a big bus that came to our church in Winston-Salem, Life Action.

And they had a revival team led by a guy named Del Faisenfeld. Nancy Lee DeMoss was on this team. And they came, and man, these people wouldn't leave a church. And they said, we're going to fast and pray. And some churches said, when they read the requirements of having them come, they said, you know, we're going to check out of this thing.

But they went to Texas and they went to a church and they fasted and they prayed and they got the deacons and the elders and the pastors to pray with them. And people started getting right with God. And they discovered there had been a church split with another church across town where they hated each other. Oh, my God. And they started going over to that church and they started praying with them.

And on a Saturday night, Night, both churches came together in the one church and they got on their face before God. And you wouldn't believe the power of the presence of Almighty God as people were hugging that hadn't hugged for decades. And so God used that team to bring in, to bring to the surface all this sin that had calcified and gotten deep and people got real. And then the community saw it and they said, oh my, there is a God in heaven, Daniel 2:23. This is real.

And whatever that is, I want that. And so it starts what did John Wesley say? He says, Lord, bring revival. And then he drew a circle around himself, you know, into chalk. He said, but start it right here.

That's right. You've probably used that quote five times in the show today. I've been listening in and out, driving all over North Carolina. But I think that that's where it gets real. And it is connected with God moving, and it's connected with going back to God's word.

And it's also connected to evangelism. Because when you start sharing the gospel, like Fred Hege does all the time, this guy's like my hero when it comes to that amazing book on evangelism. You see a revival breakout. Why? Because Jesus Christ becomes prominent, right?

And my problems become little when I realize the person I'm talking to, their problem is ginormous. It has eternal consequences. They're going to spend eternity in a burning hell, and I have an opportunity to share the good news with them, which could solve that problem. Only Jesus can do that, and only He can bring revival. And so, long answer to a great question, and may we pray that today, right here, right now.

Yeah, absolutely. And Stu, you've seen some stuff. Fred, you see some stuff. Robbie started a church at Kill D, and it's over in Ramsoar, North Carolina, right near Asheboro. And if you're ever over there on a Sunday, you should check it out.

But we'll be right back. Fred's still there. And what are some, this is the last segment, what are some practical applications that we can take, including prayer? We want to see revival. We'll be right back.

True, talk love. 866-348-7884. Truth to the clouds. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Well, we are back for our final segment.

We've still got Fred on the line, but Robbie, I was talking to you a little bit about this before. I think when true revival comes, my uncle was a doctor and he was a Presbyterian minister for years. And he said, Mike, he said, there's some Christian ministers who they get it. He said, but it's only up in their head. It's like they get it intellectually.

But I believe that when we see a revival in this country, it's also going to come from the heart. And yes, it's not just emotionalism because sometimes that can get a little, you know, crazy or whatever, but there is going to be an emotional reaction, kind of like Stu just said. What do you think? Yeah, I was thinking about what you were saying earlier that Mm. How wonderful it is when you see somebody come to Christ and you see the excitement and you see the hunger for God's word and that kind of thing.

And I couldn't help but note in my own heart that it's just as cool and really terribly exciting to me to see somebody who's been coming to church. 15 years, all of a sudden, God revives whatever it was, and they all of a sudden have this unbelievable hunger for God's word. And you can see them digging in, and you can see them completely becoming that person in Lazadia that has become totally hot and on fire and sold out for God is completely revived in that particular case. When you think about the Great Commission itself, it says, Go ye forth, make disciples, right? And those disciples are going to be enthusiastic learners.

People are exciting to find out about God, whether they're fresh converts or whether they're somebody who's been sitting in a pew for 20 years. When that hand of God begins to move, it's a beautiful thing to see on all sorts of levels and like. Wesley said, man, let it begin with me. Let me be that on fire. Yeah, there was a, there was, Wesley also said one of my favorite quotes from Wesley.

He said, I set myself on fire. And he said, people come and watch me burn. And Fred, Fred, Fred's been in sales too. You and I have as well, Robbie. But one of the things that we know is, and one of the things that I was taught is that, you know, when you're selling something to somebody or me, when I'm sharing the gospel with somebody or when I'm preaching, just like you do, people are typically about half as excited as you are.

So if I kind of do it with a mediocre attitude, and Fred, you probably know that. If you go out, Fred, and you're sharing the gospel with somebody and you don't seem to be too excited to be there and you act like you don't want to be there, are they going to want to listen to you, Fred? You've got to have passion and you've got to have a smile. You gotta have passion. Go ahead, Robbie.

Flash to, you know, the full armor, the last piece is gospel, you know, feet fitted with a gospel of peace. And if you ever ever thought about the story that's in 2 Samuel of the two runners, right? That Absalom had died, and so there are two guys there. One of them is a Hetha felon. He's going, send me, send me, send me.

He's all excited, like, man, I got to go, I got to go, I got to go. And Joab says, no, you ain't the dude. You don't look like you're bringing, you know, he's not going to be happy that his son's dead. Right. And so I.

Yeah, I need to send another runner.

So he sends this other guy, right? And the other guy takes off running. But Heathenfell ain't giving up. Like, man, I gotta go. I gotta go.

I gotta go. Like, he's on fire, right? And eventually he says, okay, he's got a half hour left on you. Go for it, Heathenfell. And so here's this guy standing on this tower.

Right? Yeah. And he's calling out to David. He says, Who do you see? I see a runner coming.

He goes, Who is it? Oh, it's a Heathenville.

So he outran the dude, right? Yeah. And he goes, Oh, it's him? He's bringing good news. Right.

He knew it. By the way, he ran. Right? Yeah. And the point that Ed Fred was making and you're making is that you can see, and again, you know, it's just like as Stu was talking there, he was only in the studio for a minute.

I was like, it's no wonder he's our franchise player because, man, you couldn't ask for more enthusiasm. And he's just channeling God right out there in the life that he's been able to experience with his family and the Truth Network. It was just amazing to see. But like you say, all that enthusiasm, you're not going to sit there with a blah answer to that. No, no, you're not.

And one of the things that I heard is there was a lady named Florence Chadwick. And I don't know if you've heard of her, either one of you. But she was actually the first person to swim across the English Channel. And I believe it was in the 1950s, but in 1952, as a young woman, she tried, and her mother kept pushing her to go, and kept pushing her to go, and kept pushing her. And finally, she said, Mom, I can't go anymore.

I've got to get out. And so they fished her out. She got out. Long story short, when she got out and they got her to shore, they found out she was less than half a mile away from the shore. And what Florence Chadwick said, not Frances Chadwick, what Florence Chadwick said was this: she said, if I could have seen the shore.

She said, if I could have seen where I was going, if I could have seen how close I was, I would have made it. And you know, one of the things that I was thinking about is that. If we keep a focus on Jesus, if we can see how close Jesus is to us, and if we can see how close it is to we get to heaven, oh my gosh, it's going to be amazing. And see, Fred, all these people that you led to the Lord, you're going to get rewards for that, Fred. It says so in the Bible.

It says you're going to get rewards. All of these times, all these years, Robbie, that you've been on the radio station and sometimes you felt like doing it, sometimes you didn't, but you always did it. And you were sharing the gospel and sharing the stories about how people could come to the Lord. You're going to receive a reward from that. And I heard one time that the devil wants us to think that this life is so much longer than it is, and that eternity is so much shorter than it is.

But the Bible says, it says that, don't you know that your life is like a vapor? It appeareth for a moment and then it's gone. And so when I realize, hey, instead of saying, oh gosh, I've got to live another 30, 40 years and I don't know if I can do this, I say, no, no, no. Only got another 30 or 40 years before I can, before, you know, to reach people for the gospel, to reach the lost. And Robbie and Fred probably have longer than I do, longer than that.

But I'm sure Fred feels like I do that the I'm excited about the rewards and falling down and casting our crowns at Jesus' feet, no doubt. But the reward here, Like getting to work with people like you every day, Dr. Carson, Nick in the studio there with Randy. I mean, these people are just like, they make my life abundant. Or you can imagine the joy of working with Stu Everson and being under his leadership for all these years.

So, you know, God is more than amazing. And the plan just keeps unfolding. Like, Fred, do you ever think you'd ever write a book? Was that something on the plan back when you were running University G? Like, someday I'm going to write a book on evangelism.

None whatsoever, Robbie. Jesus. The first time I met you, I wouldn't have said, someday this man, and you probably didn't think, someday that guy will be the Christian car guy, right? You know who in the world this is. Robbie, you're right.

God has a plan, but see, what first had to happen, and Robbie, I've seen this, and Fred, I'm sure you see this as well. Martin Luther, one of my favorite quotes by Martin Luther, he said this. He said, I'm so busy today and I've got so much to do, I'm going to spend the first three hours in prayer. You see, one of the keys to revival that a lot of people don't talk about, they like the healings, as Sherry was talking about earlier today. They like the deliverance.

They like the signs, the wonders. They like to see people say yes to Jesus. But so many of the revivals, they started with prayer. They started with prayer. There was Charles Finney, every time, like before he went to, I think it was Rochester, New York, and he had a guy named Father Nash who would precede him by a few weeks, and he would just soak that area in prayer.

And oh my goodness, I believe they saw maybe 100,000 people in that area in Rochester, New York, and this was back in the 1800s come to come to know the Lord Jesus. But they asked Charles Finney, they said, What was the key to this happening? And Charles said, He said it was prayer. And Charles actually, Charles Finney actually said something funny. He said that revival is not a miracle.

See, we look at it as just, oh, it's just a miracle or it's just something that God does supernaturally. And of course, God's hand has to be on it, and He does have to work supernaturally. But what He said is He said, You would take steps that would lead to revival. In other words, Fred, you don't just sit there and people don't just walk up to you, Fred, on the streets and say, What must I do to be saved? Right?

You actually have to open your mouth. It's our responsibility to engage the Law Center. Always. Fred, because if if we don't do it, who will? Right, right.

Getting back to your prayer thing.

Okay. Uh that that You know, can be It isn't always, but it can be as fun as watching that person come to Christ, or it can be as fun as seeing that disciple come alive as God actually comes alive in your prayer. Like Sherry was talking about, when she saw the Lord with a hand on her neck and blah, blah, blah. That's a prayer situation. She's talking to God.

And it's beyond fun when that's actually going on. And so the prayer itself, right, can be in a phenomenal reward. And as you go into that place of prayer, when God meets you, that's a movement of God in and of itself. You know, I think I just received a revelation that I don't know if I've ever received before. I've always looked at Robbie as the prayer as an ends to the means.

You know, hey, I pray so that I can get something. But what I hear you saying is, is that you can actually enjoy the prayer yourself. And you wake up every day and spend time in prayer. How much time? Usually about three hours.

That would be common.

Sometimes four. It depends on where I'm at. And sometimes I go to sleep. But, you know, honestly, the reward is like when God shows up and you actually feel like you're. You're communing with God in that real place, whether that's in church or wherever it is that you're experiencing, and you can experience it in community.

But when you're there and you're in that situation, the reward is just as great because, you know, God, when he touches you, you're never going to be the same. Absolutely. And Robby Dilmore, I want to thank you for coming on. Fred Hagey, H-E-G-E, pick up the book, Give Him Jesus. And my show, If Not for God, with Mike Zwick, will be on tomorrow at 12 o'clock noon on the Trade.

I'm going to show you the day after because tomorrow's Friday. I'm sorry. I'm so used to doing this on Saturday. Hey, Fred, I want to thank you for calling in, brother. Yeah, Mike's show is on Saturday.

God bless you, guys. God bless you, Fred. Mike's show is on Saturday. He's outside at 12 noon. High noon.

It was Mike. Awesome show. Awesome guy. And thanks a lot, Robbie. Make sure to check out the Christian Car Guy as well on Saturday.

You got a 10 o'clock and an 11 o'clock Kingdom Pursuits. We love you guys. Yeah.