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Welcome to the show today. You know, what is heaven like? I have been going to church my whole life. I have been hearing a lot of different things from a lot of different people about what heaven could be like, but. And my whole life, I've probably only heard maybe three or four sermons on heaven, if that.
And how many times have you gone into a church and you've actually heard somebody talk about heaven yourself? You know, you don't really hear about it a lot, but the Bible has plenty to say about heaven.
Now, there are some people out there who may say, well, there's not a lot that we can know about heaven, so we really can't talk about it that much. But, you know, I was thinking about this, and in 1952, there was a woman named Florence Chadwick. And when Florence Chadwick, she was the first woman to actually swim across the English Channel. But she tried the first time in 1952 and she failed and she kept going and going and going and going and her mother tried to kept telling her hey, you need to keep going. You need to keep going.
But finally, when she felt like she couldn't take it anymore, she finally got out. And then later on that day, they found out how far away she was from the shore. And they found out that she was actually less than half a mile away from the shore. And this is what Florence actually said. She said, if I would have known how close I was.
I could have made it. And see, the truth is, is that the Bible tells us in the book of James, James 4:14, it says that don't you know that your life is like a vapor or like a mist, that we're here just for a fleeting moment and then we're gone? And I think sometimes we start to believe that this life that we're living in. is going to last forever and that eternity is so short. But when we realize that the truth is, is that this life is so short, it's only for a fleeting moment.
And then we're gone and we realize how long eternity is, We realize that, hey, all these things that we hold near and dear to us, money, jobs, family, not bad things. But sometimes we put those things before God and we don't realize that the most important thing that we have in our life is Jesus Christ. And the most important place that we have to go is to heaven. And that's where we're going to spend all of eternity. If you've got your Bibles, and I hope you do, we've got Matthew chapter 13.
And in verse 44, it says, Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hidden in a field, the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath and buyeth that field. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man seeking goodly pearls, who, when he had found one pearl of great price, he went and sold all that he had. and bought it. And it says again, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind, which when it was full they drew to shore and sat down, gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
So shall it be at the end of the world. The angels shall come forth and sever the wicked. From among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire. There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things?
They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Then said he unto them, Therefore, every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is a householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. You see, people think that the Bible may not really tell us a lot about heaven, and they'll use a verse, and that verse may be something like this: I hath not seen nor ear heard. What Christ has stored up for us. And if anybody comes to you and if they tell you that they know everything that's going to happen when we get to heaven, there's no way.
There's no way that we can know every single thing that is going to take place or happen in heaven. But on the other hand, it's not like we can sit here and say we don't know anything at all. Had you ever read the book of Revelation? I mean, the whole book of Revelation, we look through this whole book. And when we're reading through the book of Revelation, there are some tough times.
Not just for people in the world, when the bold judgments are being poured out, but there are some tough times that Christians will have to go through as well. As a matter of fact, whether you're living in the book of Revelation or not, whether we're in the tribulation or not, as Christians, we still have tough times that we have to go through. If you've ever heard of a group called the Voice of the Martyrs. I've interviewed Todd Nettleton from that group several times, and I've heard so many stories about stuff that Christians had to go through. And you know, it's funny, we talk about this a lot on the radio, and we talk about all of the stories of where people have literally had to go through hell on earth.
And one of the stories that I can think of is a story by Chip Ingram. There was a young girl. And this young girl had friends of theirs, friends of their family who was a Muslim family, and they heard, they got word that there was a group of radical Muslims who was coming through and killing all of the Christians.
So, what their friends did, the Christian family's friends who was Muslim, what they did was they said, Look, you tell your girl to come with us, we'll give her a Muslim name. And when the Muslims coming around trying to kill people, we'll tell them: no, she's with us, she's a Muslim. And the young girl was just about to go through with it. But then she remembered what Jesus said: He said, Whoever denies me in front of men, I will deny them before my Father in heaven. Whoever acknowledges me before men, that I will acknowledge them before my Father in heaven.
And she said, No, I'm not going to do it. And when the Muslims came around, They saw that she was a Christian and they killed her. Jesus put it like this: whoever loves his family, whoever loves mother or father or anything in this world more than me is not worthy of me. He said in another place, he said, Whoever puts his hand to the plow and looks back is not worthy of the kingdom of God.
Well, you say, Why would I go through all of this as a Christian? And one of the reasons is, is because of our hope in heaven. We realize that this world is not my home. I'm just a passing through. Where we have a home is laid somewhere beyond the blue.
And it goes on to say in that song that I can't feel at home in this world anymore.
So what does the Bible have to say? Revelation chapter 21. And it says, And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth were passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people. And God Himself shall be with them and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain for the former things. Or passed away. Do you realize that this life is just like a flash?
That flashes right before our eyes, and then we're gone. Think about how much time do we spend thinking about this world and what's going on in this world. How much time do we spend worrying about whatever what everybody else thinks of us? How much time do we spend trying to spend money, time and effort trying to impress people that we don't even like? But see, the truth is that when we realize that heaven is our home.
and that this earth is not our home, then we realize that it's really not that important. And we want to hear from you, 866-34-TRUTH. 866-348-7884. Do you have a story about heaven? Do you have a story?
Do you have a story about what you think the afterlife is like? What does the Bible say about it? You know, what have you been taught about it? Has your view changed over the years? You know, it's funny.
I knew a guy, a friend of mine, who used to do some work for me, and his name was Terry Andrus. And Terry used to always do this work, and we always used to talk about Jesus. We always would talk about Jesus. And he actually went through, he went to Teen Challenge. And when he went to teen challenge, Terry told me some stories about how he actually had an encounter with Jesus.
But see the truth is is on the day that Terry died it was snowing outside And somebody said that the grass, there's snow on the grass outside. And Terry said that the grass is greener on the other side. And then he said something else. He said that the grass is greener in heaven. And later on that morning, Terry passed away.
I wonder if that was the Lord speaking through Terry to make people realize that heaven is our home. Guys, 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. We want to hear your stories. when we come right back from the break. We'll be right back.
Truth Talk Live. This is Michael's Wick. Part. Hey, this is Michael Zwick. I am back.
And so, you know, one of the things that I was thinking about is what is an analogy for heaven? What would be something that we could think about when it comes to heaven? And somebody said that they were a big baseball fan, and they asked Billy Graham what he could tell them about heaven. And he said that years ago in a baseball game, the score was tied in the last inning with two outs. The batter came to the plate and hit a home run out of the park.
The crowd went wild. For baseball fans, it is about the most exciting thing that can happen. But when the hero crossed the home plate to score, the umpire yelled out. The crowd was stunned. The umpire explained that the batter had not touched first base.
That is the way with many people. They are Christians outwardly. They go to church and talk about being baptized, but have missed the most important thing. They have not been born again. They have not touched first base.
And the Bible says. That you must be born again. And I believe we've got a David who's coming onto the phone. David, are you there yet? Yes, sir.
I'm here.
Well, hey, brother, we are talking about heaven. What are your thoughts on heaven, David? Oh, gosh, where do you begin? It exists. That's what I want to let people know that Heaven is there.
And the reason I know this is because, yes, I have experienced what I consider to be heaven. Uh back. In twenty fourteen, I unfortunately slid down some stairs and got my heart all racing and everything and then Walked into a nice cold den after I came down from upstairs and. had a heart attack and was dead for twenty eight minutes. 28 minutes?
28 minutes. What did you what what happened or what did you see or I mean what did you experience? During that time frame, of course, you know, I'm not in this world. I don't know that there's anything that's happened. That's what people underst have to understand is you know You don't know something has happened to you.
You don't know that in this instance you're not here.
So at at that point of time Um It was just like a day like today, Michael. I was walking through a field. The sun was shining. I could feel the sun. And all of a sudden, I see a friend of mine come walking across the field.
And during that time, You know, I'm thinking, well, God, we're going to play golf. I've played golf with this guy a hundred times.
So we're going to play golf. Uh Do not know. That I'm not in this world. And then realization hits me that This is my friend, and he's been dead for five years. Oh, my goodness.
And he comes up to me and he says, David, You're not supposed to be here. And I'm looking at him, I'm going, What? What? And he says, Yes, you're not supposed to be here. But before you go back, I have something I need to tell you.
Would you tell my family? That the decision that they're trying to make, this hard decision that you're trying to make. Would you tell them that I'm okay and it's okay to make that decision? Wow.
Well, I was I was Put into, I was revived eventually. My wife just wouldn't let him go. She says, He's in there. You're not going to leave him. He's in there.
that last time they brought me back and I went to the hospital and They did a um procedure on me and then they put me into what's called Arctic Sun. Arctic Sun is where they put you into a coma. to protect your brain. And you know, everyone their thought, you know, he's not gonna make it. He's just not gonna make it.
but through the grace of God Five days later, they were getting ready to pull the plug And My wife says to the do the cardiologist, she says, look, He's in there. His eyes are moving, man. And the doctor said, Well, all people's eyes move. when they're in these states. She says, no, he's in there.
He's trying to communicate So they hooked me up one more time. to the machine to see whether or not my brain was functioning. And he said a few choice words, and he said, Oh my God, he's in there. He's in there, he's alive. See the laughs.
Well Again. I've just talked to this friend who's told me I need to tail tell his wife everything's okay.
So when I Come back. the first thing that's out of my mouth is I need to talk to Tara. I need to let her know that. There's a message from John. No, that we need to get this message to j from John to her.
Now, this is, I'm still not even in this world. I'm not even thinking clear at this point when I've come back. But during the time I was there talking to John, he went away after his message. And I'm standing there. And I look down and I look up and I look And there's another figure in front of me, Michael.
I cannot see his face. I cannot. describe to you anything other than I saw a robe. and some feet with sandals. And a hand that reached out and touched me, and that's when my doctor said, David, you came back to this world.
Jeez.
So, to further this story without making it too long. My wife that evening called Tara, as I asked, and. They talked she had no idea that I had died and was in the hospital. And she said Oh, my God, Joyce. She says, I already know.
And she says, What do you mean you already know? Says, Look, you remember that little dog we used to have?
Well, that little dog, every night, John, would path the bed and he would jump up on the bed.
Well That dog has died right after John did. She said. And last night You're telling me that David came back last night? The bed shook violently, waking me completely up. Yeah.
And I knew there was a message coming from John. Oh my gosh. She said, well, what was the message? She said. He said, for you to go ahead and make that decision that you and your family's been trying to make.
And she said, Oh, motherward. She says we've been thinking or trying very hard over the last year. to decide whether or not to sell this house or to keep this house. And we were just we just struggled with what to do. Mm.
So we have a wonderful God who makes our nazi my nazi. He brought me back and and you know, during that whole process, the only thing he kept putting in my brain. When people asked me about my story Yes. David, all I want you to convey to people in this life is They are never Alone. Amen and amen.
Let me ask you this, David. When you had this story or when this happened to you and when you came back, and I'm sure you told people about it, what kind of reactions did you get from people? You got I got quite a few. I I had a lady that came all the way from Kansas just to talk to me about it because she was struggling in her life with a lot of different things. And she was was struggling with whether or not there was even a god.
Not whether there was heaven, but whether there was even a God. And then you get people who will say to you, oh, that was just a dream. And I said, look. I was there. I was there.
Yeah, and not only were you there, but you also, it seems to me that you got a confirmation from a guy who had passed away years ago, and he told you something, and then you went back and told his family, and they said, Oh my goodness, that's right on the money. Exactly. It was all confirmed. And you know, there are a lot of people. They feel like they have to have they have to have a confirmation.
They feel like, oh, well, somebody's got to prove to me something. They've got to prove to me that God exists. They've got to prove to me that there's a God that's heaven. When God doesn't, that's not the way it works. He's asking you for your own faith.
David, David, we've got to go to a break. I want you to hold the line real quick because when you come back, when we come back, I'm sure we have a few questions for you. Just hold the line real quick, and we'll be right back after these messages. This is Michael's Wick on Truth Talk Live. Truth talk liar.
Well, hey, this is Mike Zwick. I am back with David, and oh my goodness, David, you just gave us a doozy. Are you there, David? I'm still here.
So, you know, you said you had somebody drive from Kansas. Let me ask you this. When you said when you had died for 28 minutes, I've heard a lot of people tell me. That they felt peace. They felt peace in heaven like they had never seen before, or whatever.
What did you feel when you had died for those 28 minutes?
Well, for the for the first time in my life, Uh I had no fear. There was no, and I guess you could say, yes, I felt peace, but. You know, a lot of people have fear of dying and I have no fear of dying. I don't have that fear anymore. There's a a burden that was lifted from me for.
from working in retail all these years and working hard hours That all that just went away. It wasn't important anymore because it wasn't important. But I made it important. Yeah, the Bible says that there is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. And so you knew Jesus Christ at the time that you died, right?
Yes, sir. Yeah, the Bible says that absence From the body is presence with the Lord. And David, I want to thank you for the call. Brother, I'm sure people will be talking about that for a while. And I believe we've got a Rick on the phone.
Rick, are you there? Yes, Mike, can you hear me? Yes, sir. We've got Rick Pearson, our friend from Prophecy USA. And I know, Rick, you've got a lot of stuff going on.
Now, I don't know if you actually ever died, but you had an experience while you were in college. Is that right? Yes, but I just want to say, Dave, you just blessed me so much. It's such an encouragement to hear what it's like on the other side. Amen, brother.
Fantastic, fantastic testimony. It really, really made me think. About all the stupid things that we worry about, Mike, and we're all upset about, and just instantaneously we can be with the Lord. What an exciting Transition. It reminds me of that verse, Rick.
It says, what is it, Matthew chapter 6, and it's verse 33 and 34, where it says, But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you. And then in that same chapter, it says, Why do you worry? Why do you worry? It says it doesn't change one thing, brother. Exactly.
As Dave was talking, I looked up. 1 Corinthians 13, 3. No, 3.13. And it says, If any man build upon his foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, every man's work shall be made manifest, for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire. And the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work Is able if any man's work abide which he hath built it thereupon. he shall receive award. If any man's work shall be burned, He shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved. Yet so as by fire, know ye not that ye are the temple of God. and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you.
If we can just maintain that thought, that God is living inside of us. What an exciting life we could have without worrying about all this other stuff. Yeah, absolutely. And I think you got saved at a very young age. Is that right, Rick?
I got saved at seven. And then at at at age eighteen I had my turning point when I discovered Jesus was the same yesterday, today, and forever. And do you want me to share that with you? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, well, I was raised fundamentalist Baptist cessation theology.
By the time I was eighteen, I thought I don't know if this stuff's real.
So, through a series of events, I went and looked at universities. I was going to go to university. I went to Oral Roberts University in Tulsa. I saw Expect a Miracle. And then I'm listening to this guy teach, and he says Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
And I thought, and he still heals. I'd never heard this before. He still heals, like in the Bible, yes. I thought, wow, what a concept. God's the same yesterday, today, and forever.
We went to an apartment in Florida. And I was with my cousin, and I made a vow. I said, God, show me you're real. You show me you're real. I'll give you my life to do whatever you want.
I'll go into a mission field. I'll preach. I'll do whatever you want me to do. As soon as I released that valve, the door of the apartment blew open and a wind come in the room and encircled us.
Now, I was wide awake. This was not a dream. It was not a vision. We were wide awake, both me and my cousin. And the wind, the curtains were blowing, the wind was going around in a circle in a whirlwind.
And I thought, what have I conjured up? And I put my face in the carpet and I said the name Jesus over and over again because I, in one part of me, I thought, wow. I'm really getting somewhere. And then on the other side of me, the fearful part, said, What have I conjured up?
So there was a battle going on for my mind. And as I said the name Jesus, I I wanted him to protect me. And as I said the name Jesus, I started speaking in another language. That went on for about ten minutes. And then I said, God, I'm yours.
I'll do whatever you want me to do. But please, I can't stand the presence anymore. I just, I can't take anymore. And the door, the wind went out the door, the door slammed shut behind it. And of course, then.
You know, I s I studied scripture and I found the second chapter of Acts where w when the day of Pentecost was come, the the disciples were gathered together and suddenly there came a sound as of a rushing mighty wind. It filled the house where they were not. and they spoke in fifteen different dialects. The works and the wonders of God for all the other people around that were listening. And you know that it says that some laughed and said, These men are drunk.
But the other ones. Who heard those disciples speak in their home languages? They knew something supernatural was going on. And isn't it amazing? that I just read that verse.
Know ye not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God. dwelleth in you. God was already in me. When I was seven years old and I asked them into my heart. But uh there was another dimension that God wanted me to move into.
And I always like to say that the wind of the Holy Spirit actually came out of the disciples. He entered them, then it came out, and the wind blew over lips of clay and formed the very words of praise. need it to please the Father.
So when I listen to David's testimony, And then I think of my testimony. And of course, Mike, you see testimonies and hear them all the time like this. God is moving in America. He's touching people and he speaks to us in a way. I needed to get whacked over the head with a spiritual two by four.
That's what it took for me to cross over. Not everybody has an experience like that. But for me, that's what I needed. And obviously, David's testimony Uh That changed his life. It changed my life just by listening to him give you that testimony, Mike.
Yeah, that's right. And one of the things that I was thinking about, Rick, is that you've you your sh your whole show or your whole thing that you do is about uh America being mystery Babylon.
Now, when you had that theophany, as you call it, was did you see some stuff in there as well about the future? No, not when I was eighteen. I went to ORU for four years, graduated, then I came home and worked in business. I studied marketing, theology and flying. piloting.
came home, started in a family business and then uh At the age of 32. I went down to ORU. They were looking for regions. To be on the board, and they thought there's a good, clean-cut guy, he's got his own business, you know, maybe he can help us out. And I went down there and uh I got convicted when they were raising money for medical missions and and Mike, I had been I had been working just like this uh this verse says, if any man build upon his house Foundation of gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, and stubble.
Every work shall be made manifest.
Well, I was working, I wasn't even tithing, and I got totally convicted. That I wasn't tithing and I wasn't giving the way I should from my financials, my substance.
So I released 10% of my net worth. I said, here it is. And I just wrote a check and gave it to medical missions. At that point, I had an experience like unto Cornelius, who had an angel come to him and said, Cornelius, your alms and your offerings have come up for a memorial to God. Go to Peter.
And he will preach to you. The message of salvation.
Something happened with me, and something happened with Cornelius. When you release your finances into God's kingdom, it activates something, and for seven days. I went into a regulatory Period. where I was getting revelation on the United States of America and what was coming. The spiritual divide, the spiritual warfare, the Baal worship, the LGBT, the rising of immorality in America, just like in Sodom and Gomorrah.
And I thought, what is going on, Lord? Why am I thinking all these things? Why am I being downloaded all this? And on the seventh night of the seventh day, An audible voice woke me up. called me by name twice.
And uh I did not see it with my eyes, but there was an angel in the room hovering right over my bed, and he touched me six times. And I I thought questions and the voice answered me audibly. And it was all about America Her downfall. About a movement in America, the final altar call to America, and it ended up with the Gog-Magog War. That we're all looking at now, which what's happening in Russia and Iran and Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
All of these things. When that war breaks out Gog and Magog will be burnt with fire, but so will a latter-day nation called Babylon the Great. And America is Babylon the Great. She meets all 53 descriptions.
So we don't know right now if we have another hundred years before this war comes. But God is using the United States of America. She's playing a pivotal role. in Bible prophecy. And you know, it's interesting when Uh Russia.
is negotiating with Trump. And Iran is negotiating with Trump for peace, Israel is, and Saudi Arabia, Sheba and Dadan, is calling Trump the president of the world. The whole world is focused on the Mideast and what Donald Trump's gonna do. And that's because Babylon the Great is the seventh of eight providential nations in Bible prophecy. The last nation to rule is going to be a global one world empire.
And it all hinges around the the turning point in history is the God maker.
Well, hey, welcome back to the show. This is Michael Zwick, 866-34 Truth is the number. But when I was thinking about this over the break, I've got this right here. It says, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with a trump of God, and the dead and Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And so shall we be with the Lord. I am looking forward to that day. We've got a Sharon Hungerford. Are you there, Sharon? I am.
Yeah, you've been waiting for a while.
So you actually had an experience with your husband. Is that right? Yes, I'm doing. Um This was in his the latter days of him passing, he had cancer and um Um I forget exactly.
some of the things but he started Seeing into the heavenlies toward the end. And um And he started speaking things. Um, just out loud. I don't know how aware he was of me there, but um I just took a pencil and started writing down what he said over a period of a couple of days. What kind of stuck out t what kind of sticks out to you from what he said in the last few days?
Well, um He said several things, um he said. One thing he said was, You are so humble when you're dying, so astute. like a an awareness that he hadn't experienced. Um He said, I'm happ I'm free to be happy. Um Just I won't explain these.
I'll just say what he said. But he said you should pay for Alamance County every day. It will start here. This is um He said, joy and peace, God is joy and peace, and we must pass on from generation to gener with pass this on from generation to generation.
So there are many lessons to be learned. One really cool thing was he started reaching his hands upward. I mean, we were in our the bedroom in, um And so it wasn't, I didn't have much light going on, but um.
So I asked him what he was seeing as he was reaching out, and he said a tray. And I said, What's on the tray? He said, The fruits of the Spirit. And there was also a tray of uh information of truth And he was like, Which one should I choose? And I'm thinking all of them.
But I knew he was in A heavenly realm when he was talking about information of truth. He loved truth, he loved the word. He was saying, I have so much to learn. Um He saw children and calves jumping around in the field. Um in what appeared to be asleep.
situation. He said it It is time for a decision. You must not wait. Um He saw angels. And he was like covering his eyes He said they're so bright.
Over and over and over, he would say that. And then he saw Jesus said, He's so white, he's so white. Uh and there was no light in the room other It's just what he was saying. Um Hey. Saying hallelujah, wanted me to sing with him, and this is a man that doesn't sing.
Okay. Um Times he was in a wrestling match and just seemed to be agonizing over past issues. He was clutches chest at times talking about bitterness and Um He prayed for his children and for me. Um And he would At times, even in the pain, he was just like, Lord, all my friends, why am I so blessed? He was happy and humble even in the midst of pain.
Um And at the end of his life, the last thing he said was. To the degree you have allowed us to go through. Speaking to the Lord, to the severity of it, bring your spirit. Mm-hmm. Um He also uh some point Um You tell me to store up your supply of food.
And he added healthy food.
So, um That was interesting. I'll tidy that, but that's um. That was basically the things that I got written.
Well, you know, Sharon, go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, it's when you said that, I heard you say that he was clutching his chest and he was talking about bitterness or anger or anything like that. What came to me, Sharon, was it's Matthew chapter 5, verse 38.
And it says, Ye have heard that it had been said, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you that ye resist not evil, but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, take away thy, and take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. You know, and I think about this.
Jesus said it this way: he said, if you forgive other people when they sin against you, he says, your heavenly father will forgive you. He says, but if you do not forgive other people when they sin against you, your father will not forgive you in heaven. And when I heard that, it really stuck out to me that we really need to forgive people who have done us wrong because we've made mistakes ourselves. Absolutely. And I think there were times in uh Peter's life that he even struggled with the Lord.
And um and just not understanding Um we had Quite a few. Um many times uh Um what I would consider suffering and um And I think that was very hard. I know that I feel like in that time he was really settling these issues with the Lord and he really got totally free.
so free that he was able to say, I'm free to be happy. And I knew He had turned a corner. And some really positive ways with the Lord.
Well, that's good. And the other thing that you had mentioned that he said to pray for Alamance County, pray for them every day. And I think you said that he said that it would start there. Did he pass in 2013, Sharon? Yes.
So it was interesting in 2016.
Well, and I'll tell you a little bit before as well. There was somebody who actually came to our county. That's where I live, is in Alamance County, North Carolina, Burlington, North Carolina, Graham, Mebben, all that. But one of the things that somebody said is they said it was probably 2013, 2014, maybe around that same time, but they came to our county and they said they had a vision. And in the vision, they saw that somebody was skipping a rock across a lake.
And there were so many skips of the rock, but they said that the first skip of the rock was actually in Alamance County. And it's funny, in 2016, we had that Burlington revival that was only supposed to be there for a little while and it lasted week after week after week. And now, not only that, but we've been seeing other things as well. I know in your church with Greater Love World Outreach and my church with just like Jesus Ministries, we're seeing that the Lord is really moving. And not only is it moving here, but also the other part of that vision was that it seems Seeming to spread all throughout the country as well.
And so I take it that you have been praying for Alamance County since you heard him say that. Yes, absolutely. You know, big part of our my minis the ministry we have with Shepherd Staff Ministries is to pray for Israel. Which I believe is very key to pray for Israel and the Jewish people to come into the calling that God has for them because. uh the nations will know that he is God.
when the Jews hallow. his name um in Israel. And um in Jerusalem specifically. And It's just Um I don't think we understand quite the connection. When we bless what God says to bless.
Tells us not to give him Um Rest day or night until he makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth and. And all of that. is really important. to the nations coming in and Um Anyway, it's just a topic that I love. Yeah, in in in Genesis twelve verse three.
It says that I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you, and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you. There was actually a book that was written years ago about Israel, and it showed that every single time the United States came against Israel and their policies, there would be a natural disaster that happened to the United States. And we've seen that when the United States has been blessed, we have been blessing Israel. And, you know, it's almost as if what you see going on in Israel, it seems like it's the last days right here. Because every time these countries come to attack Israel and they fight against Israel, Israel always stands firm, and Israel always wins.
And I believe that they always will win because that's what it says in the Bible. And you're part of something, Sharon, and it's called Aliyah. Yes, that the Bible says that the Lord will bring. uh his people back to Israel. And um they never fully possessed the land.
In the past, but they that's a covenant God made with them, and that's still in um. happening and going to be completed. And I was just there in Israel. I was there through the Twelve Day War. I was in bomb shelters and all of this.
But they've just taken back I mean though So many things are happening. Processes are being fulfilled. They're taken back. No, no, no, you said you were in the bomb shelters recently when all of that stuff was going down? Yes, yes.
Now there was a caller who called in earlier, Sharon, and they said that when they when he actually had experience when he went to heaven, he said that he had a peace. Did were you worried or did you have peace while you were over there during that time? I definitely have peace, and I was really happy because I've been praying since 2000 and Eight for over the Iranian situation.
So I was there when Iran sent the ballistic missiles over. And so.
Well, Sharon, I want to thank you for calling in. My show, If Not for God, with Mike Zwick, will be on tomorrow at noon on the Truth Network. And I want to thank you guys for listening. Consider heaven. It's either heaven or hell.
You're going to one place or the other. Trust in Jesus.
