When Is Jesus Coming Back?

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Hey, this is Michael Zwick, and we've got a great show for you today. When do you think that Jesus Christ is coming back? When is he going to return? And why do you feel that way? We want your calls.

In August. In all millennialism that the millennia, the millennial reign was just it was spiritual. It's not a real millennial reign. We have some who believe in post millennialism. And those who believe in post millennialism. They believe things are going to get better and better until we usher in the return of Christ. And then there's most Christians, I would say, in America today and most Christians worldwide who believe in pre millennialism. And what they believe is that there is going to be a literal thousand year millennial reign.

Of Christ. It is going to be literal. But before that, there's going to be a seven year tribulation. And there's some people who believe that during that seven year tribulation, we're going to be out of here before it ever happens. We're not going to go through any of it. There's some people who believe that we're going to be out halfway through. So in other words, it's a mid tribulation.

There's some people who believe pre wrath. Yeah, we're going to go through most of it. But before it gets really, really bad, we're going to be out of there.

And then there's people who believe all the way. We're going to be poster. We're going to be here the whole time. But towards the end of the tribulation that we're going to be hidden and that that that that Jesus is going to save us out of that part. So we're really not going to have to go through it. But we've got a Terry. We've got a Terry out of Cary, North Carolina. Terry, what are your thoughts on the return of Christ?

Well, I would be Thank you, Michael, I'd be in that pre millennial camp. But I see a pattern and a principle in Scripture. As I look, you know, where God, God meets us in the midst of our troubles. For instance, Daniel in the lion's den, the Hebrew children in the fiery furnace, Israel with its back up to the Red Sea, Paul and Silas in the Philippian jail time after time in Scripture.

God doesn't prevent things from happening so much as he meets us in the midst of the trials and and tribulations. And, you know, Jesus said in in the world, you will have trouble, and you will have tribulation. But but be of good cheer, because I've overcome the world, even in Revelations two and three, where the seven churches are addressed by Jesus. You see a lot about enduring, Michael, you see a lot about enduring and overcoming. And there's a there's a story about a man that was a had a Christian friend on the job who would speak to him regularly about the Lord. And he went to that man one one day and he said, You've been talking to me about Jesus.

I want to ask you a question. If if I accept Jesus as my savior, like you are encouraging me to do, will my problems go away? Will all my problems be solved then? And the man looked at him seriously and gave him a piercing look in the eyes and said, No, your problems will not go away, but you will have the power to face those problems. You will have the power to overcome those problems.

And I think in a way the church, even though we have we are those who have accepted we've have we have received Christ as Lord and Savior, but we're asking a similar kind of question. Does that mean that I won't have to go through this this tribulation period or any part of this tribulation period? Will I will I not have to go through that big, big problem? And I think it's the same answer that you see throughout throughout Scripture, where the Lord turns to us and says, I'm not promising that you're not going to have to go through something severe, but I am promising you that I'm going to meet you in the midst of it. And I'm a merciful savior.

I'm going to meet you in the midst of it. I'm going to meet you with the power you need to overcome so that you'll fit into heaven with the rest of the overcomers, with those who have overcome serious trials and tribulations and waves of persecution, for example, that happened in the early church. And there's a beautiful promise in Isaiah 43 that I think sums all of this up. And he says, verse one, fear not for I've redeemed you. So no matter what's going to happen, we know we got to be ready. We know he's coming.

We know we got to be ready. And we know that he is a merciful God and that we don't know the day or the hour. He said himself, he doesn't know, fear not for I've redeemed you.

I have called you by name. You are mine. When you pass through the waters, I will be with you. And through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you. When you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned and the flame shall not consume you.

For I am Yahweh your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. Amen. So that really sustains me when I think of this question.

Yes, sir, it certainly does. And, you know, there's, I believe it's in Romans chapter 8, and it says, Romans 8, 18, it says, But I consider our present sufferings are nothing compared to the glory that will be within us. And Terry, I want to thank you for the call because as Christians, as Christians, we constantly have to be overcoming.

We constantly have to endure until the end. And Matthew chapter 24, it says that he who endures till the end, it says the same shall be saved. And we've got a James right now out of Roxboro, North Carolina.

James, let me ask you the question. When do you believe that Jesus is coming back and why do you think that? Jesus will not return until after the tribulation has been done on the earth.

He will then pour his wrath out on the world that's spoken about in Revelation. If I could, I'd like to read a couple of verses. One is in Matthew chapter 24 verse 15. It says, spoken by Daniel the prophet, Also, I'd like to read down a little bit further. It says that, after these days of tribulation, I'm not reading exactly, but after these days of tribulation, then Christ shall come back.

These days of tribulation are going to be on the earth, but Jesus says don't take anything with you. What is he talking about in Daniel? In Daniel 9.27, basically he's talking about a ruler that will come and declare peace.

Now, he's also talking about this same ruler that will break the peace. So this is the tribulation period of time and the saints will be here for that tribulation period. Other verses that you might want to go to and look at are Revelation 24 through 5. Revelation 24 and 5 are good.

21 through 3, and also in 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 and 17. All of this happens within the timeframe of this person that comes in, which we believe to be the antichrist who will be the abomination that causes tribulation. James, if you'll just hold that thought and wait for us, we're going to be right back in a minute. When you come back, I want you to explain a little bit about why you believe we're going to be here for the tribulation. We will be right back on Truth Talk Live!

Alright, this is Michael Zwick. We want your calls at 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. And James, you believe we're going to be here during the tribulation. You had mentioned, was it 2 Thessalonians 2? Was it the part about the antichrist? Yes.

I did. Tell us about that. Well, basically, in 2 Thessalonians, or in 1 Thessalonians 5-1, it says, Now brothers, about the times and dates, we need not to write you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night, and while people are saying peace and safety, destruction will come on them suddenly, such as the labor pains of a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness to this day. I'd also like to point out, back in Matthew, again, that in Matthew 24, in Matthew 24, verses 9 and 10, they shall deliver you up to the afflicted, they shall kill you, and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then men shall be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

And then down in verse 21, it says, and Jesus is speaking here, he says, So this tribulation is the great tribulation talked about in Revelation. It is not the bowls of wrath that are talked about, it is the tribulation that is talked about. God's wrath is going to be poured out on those that accept the mark of the beast and those that are following the antichrist.

The bowls of judgment are the final, most intense gods of God's wrath, passed on the earth. The beast's fate and darkness shall fall on the earth. No one at this time that is following the beast shall repent, and because of their lack of repentance, they will suffer and the wicked will refuse to repent and turn to God. Therefore, we will be here as a testimony to those, and Christ will come back, and God's wrath shall be poured out on the earth. Now that's why I believe what I believe, because that's what Jesus Christ said. Alright, well, James, I want to thank you for the call. He believes that I guess at a pre-wrath, so we're going to be out of here before the wrath of God is poured out.

We've actually got a Jill from Burlington, North Carolina. Let me ask you the question, Jill. When do you think that Jesus is coming back, and why?

Soon. Let's start with that. Okay, I have some of the similar passages and things that the man before me was reading, also with the first caller as well.

I've been listening. I'm going to go about it in just a little bit of a different direction. I also have a YouTube channel of which I just spoke about this on a few days ago, and since then I've had even more revelation in my mind as I continue to study. My opinion specifically by reading these, we can start with the first Thessalonians as well, chapter 5 and 4.17. 4.17 states, and I turned my wrong page, Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. There's also a scripture that reads that we will be gone before the wrath, before the Antichrist becomes in control.

The way I'm seeing it, and you have to go too as well, like he said, there was a Matthew verse that sends you to Daniel immediately. That refers to a covenant made for a seven-year period, and the 70 weeks in chapter 9 from verse 20 to the end, until chapter 10, it speaks of a 70-week period. By that 70-week period, each week speaking would be a seven-year period. I believe that we are at 69 weeks, and this I got from a sermon I listened to on YouTube actually for the 2819th church, Pastor Philip Mitchell, and I happen to agree with him. Out of the 70 weeks and the seven-year periods, we're in the last before the tribulation, so that would put us at week 69. There's another seven-year tribulation.

Now, that last one hasn't begun yet, and can't begin according to the same reading when you flip to Daniel right here that states, once the covenant has been made for one week against the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. So, before the tribulation, seven-year tribulation even starts, with all the drama and all of the war and the famines across the country with water and food, and let's just be honest, there's spiritual famine spreading like wildfire. This stuff, all of this being said, there will be a peace treaty made with Israel, is the way I see it, and once that's made for a seven-year period, it will be the Antichrist that makes that treaty with them who will come back in mid-tribulation and will take control. The people here left on earth will worship him, but mid-tribulation, again, once it started, I was the previous believer that we would be raptured, the church would be raptured before tribulation, but I believe now that we would be here for the first half of that peaceful period where that peace treaty is made, and then once that is broken, mid-week, three and a half years in, we will be raptured before the wrath comes. We won't have to be here for that, and being as we're raptured in the midst of it, there won't be anything left here of our Holy Spirit and spiritual left here. We will be gone from here, so it makes it a lot easier for the Antichrist to come into control. Okay, so in other words, you believe that we're going to be here for the first three and a half years of the tribulation, but at the midpoint of the tribulation, we're going to be raptured out.

Is that what I hear you saying? Yeah, I know I'm all over the place. I have all this laid out before me, and I had it all nice, neat, and organized, but I feel my spirit moving, and if it comes out backwards, you guys will have to forgive me. I get so excited about this, and I have to be honest, I really, a week ago if you asked me this question, I was 100% on the, it would be pre-tribulation because we wouldn't go through any of it, but the first half, you know, he tells us, not only are we going to be called up, and not only do we have prophecy after prophecy after prophecy that we're seeing come into life right now in the world, but in the Bible where he has been teaching us and warning us. We've had all these warnings, and people still don't see it, but not only do we need to prepare and be prepared for the time, and maybe not be studying on every little bitty thing, we need to be prepared so that no matter when this occurs, no matter what anyone's opinion is, that we're ready for him. But the biggest part of this is we have to spread the word. There are too many people that don't have any of this knowledge.

They don't even have an opinion at this point. So we study these things so that we can understand them, and then we pray on this so that when the Holy Spirit speaks through us, these people are not getting mixed signals. These people know who exactly to believe. There's only one that knows it all. If he wanted us to know, he would have put it in the Bible. He would have sent us, you know, hey, this is when I'm coming back.

Y'all get ready. You know what I mean? He didn't want that to be the case. It goes on with our free will. We have to trust in the Holy Spirit and have our faith. Yeah, absolutely.

And I would rather believe the worst case scenario and then later on find out it's not as bad than to believe the best case scenario and later on find out that it's much worse. And Jill, I want to thank you for the call. It looks like we've got somebody else on the call. Oh, I know this guy. I know this guy. This is Dr. Greg Hennet out of High Point. He's written several books.

I've done some interviews with him. Well, brother, I kind of get the feeling that I know what you're going to say, but I don't think the audience does. So when do you think that Jesus is coming back and why do you say that? Yes, I just want to say... And Dr. Greg, we want to hear that, but right now we've got a break.

So when we come back from the break, we're going to let you tell us when do you think Jesus is coming back and why. And we want your calls 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. We'll be right back.

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We want your calls 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. And we've got Dr. Greg back here, but I think I mentioned four different types or probably six different types of beliefs, and there's so many of them out there. There's even other ones out there as well, but one of the beliefs that I did not mention was a pre-trib, but it's a little bit different.

Is that right, Dr. Greg? Yes, the pre-trib rapture. Now, one of your callers just referred to the pre-trib rapture, and that has been the standard position in the evangelical church for a century and a half. The other positions, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib, have all come along in the last 35 years, including the dominionist view, and so these are new views on the Christian scene. Okay, so what is your belief? Yeah, my belief is that I believe in a pre-tribulational rapture of the church, and here's some reasons, and I've got this in my book entitled The Second Coming of Christ, Disappearing, His Return, and Our Preparation.

And your viewers can get that book if they want a great amount of detail on the whole subject. I've studied end-time prophecy extensively for over 10 years. I've been a minister for 40 and a Bible scholar, and so this is not just coming off the top of my head, what I'm about to say. First of all, Jesus is coming for his people before the tribulation because God has designed the tribulation for Israel. Your last caller mentioned correctly Daniel 9, 24-27, and that's where Daniel was told by an angel that 70 weeks of years, or 490 years, were designed for Israel's remaining history. And 69 of those weeks, 483 years, have already been fulfilled as of the coming of Christ, so seven remain. Now the church is living in the parenthesis between the 69th and 70th year, and the 70th week.

And so that week, or seven years, will be the tribulation period. It is designed exclusively for Israel. The angel told Daniel it was for Jerusalem, his people, and his city, Jerusalem. So it's for the Jewish people and Jerusalem. That's what the angel was talking about, that's what God was talking about. Not the church, the church was not known at that time. So it's designed for Israel. If you understand why God designed something, you understand its purpose.

So that's the first thing. The second thing is the tribulation is the final test for the untested Jewish people. They have rejected Christ, and it is the church that is being tested now in this church age, beginning from the day of Pentecost. It's seen obviously through the book of Acts, and anyone who's studied church history, I've studied it extensively, knows that it's filled with the testing of the righteous, particularly in the times of revival.

Revivals were always resisted to this present day. So this is the age of the church's testing. The tribulation is designed as a final test for Israel. The Old Testament prophets saw that. Hosea called it their time of affliction. Jeremiah said it's the time of Jacob's or Israel's trouble.

So it's designed for their final test and a final test for the world. And then Revelation's account of tribulation in Revelation 6-19 is filled with Jewish symbols. There's a complete absence of Christian symbols in those chapters.

I've written a book called The Tribulation Story where I set those chapters in chronological order. But they're all Jewish symbols in there. The church is not mentioned. The church is mentioned in Revelation 2-3, but nowhere in chapter 6-19. That's important because God would not tell a story about the church and leave out the mention of the word ekklesia, or very clear explicit Christian symbols.

They're not there. And then another reason that we know he's coming, and this is a primary reason, is that Paul said that God has not ordained us unto wrath, or not appointed us to wrath. This is the key text of all end-time teachers. We all have to come to grips with it. Now the mid-trib, pre-wrath, and post-trib guys say that the wrath doesn't begin until the final part or the second half of the tribulation.

Now I beg to differ, and here's some evidence. The first eight verses of the tribulation period, Revelation 6, 1-8, you find four terrible things loosed on the earth. They're loosed by the Lamb, that is Jesus. And they are in this order. War, the antichrist, war, famine, death by disease, and by wild animals as well, and the death of one-fourth of the world's population. That's approximately 2.1 billion people at the present time.

Now think about it. 2.1 billion cannot be killed and it not be the wrath of God. And it's expressly released by Jesus, and here's the kicker, Ezekiel 14, 12-21, names these same four judgments where God explicitly says they are his four great or severe judgments.

They are his great, severe judgments. So wrath begins from the first day of the tribulation period, and God has appointed that the church not be there. Also, other reasons are Jesus' explicit statements in Luke 21, 36. He said, Watch and pray therefore, so that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass. And if you look at the context, he's speaking about the tribulation. Revelation 3, 10, he said, Because you have kept the word of my patience, or you have endured your test patiently, he said to the Philadelphia church, you will be kept from, and that is true to the Greek, from that time of trouble that's coming upon the whole world.

So clearly, Jesus promised, and he can't break his promises, that some Christians will be kept from that time and will escape all that time. Then the similitudes. We are the light of the world and the salt of the earth.

Salt is a preservative that hinders the progression of corruption. Light, of course, expels darkness. Well, the tribulation period beginning from the first is a time of darkness, and it increases through the seven years.

It is clearly worse in the latter half. It's a time of darkness, so the light of the world, the plenary, that is the whole body of Christ worldwide, cannot be present while that occurs. And it's a time of complete corruption, the ultimate idolatry. Antichrist proclaimed to be God in the flesh. And that cannot occur while the church, which is the salt of the earth, is present.

And there are many other reasons that that is the case. One primary one I would add to that is that the Bible's closing passage as well is very clear. In Revelation 22, Jesus and John combine to tell the church to watch for, not Antichrist, not a seven-year agreement with Israel, but for Jesus. This is explicitly repeated four times in this, and it's alluded to two more times, where Jesus said, Behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me. So the Bible ends, the last book in the New Testament, the last of the 66 books of the Bible, and God knew this when he inspired, when he gave this text to John on Patmos, he knew this would be the final book in the New Testament canon. And he said there, explicitly, that we are to look for Jesus. So if you believe you can go through the tribulation, you shouldn't be looking for Jesus. You should be looking for Antichrist.

You should be looking for, as one of your callers said, the agreement with Israel. So that's another very clear point. And again, in my book on the second coming, I talk about this in great depth. Well, Greg Hennant, I want to thank you for the call. And I tell you what, H-I-N-N-A-N-T, Greg Hennant, check out this guy's books, and he has a YouTube channel as well, and I can tell you've really thought through this stuff. So Greg, thank you so much for the call, and I really appreciate you calling in.

Next, we've got a Deborah out of Burlington, North Carolina. Deborah, when do you believe that Jesus is coming back, and why do you feel that way? Well, Mike, I really feel like we're getting very close. And the scripture talks about the times where there's going to be rumors of war, famines, disease, and we're encountering those things, and we have been for a while. One of the things I felt the Lord was showing me, and this was in 2007, somewhere between 2007 and 2009, I had seen a calendar, and the pages were being ripped off, just suddenly, just ripped and ripped and ripped, and then all of a sudden it stopped, and there was like a seal on the calendar. Now I don't have a day, I don't have a time, I don't have a month, I don't have a year, but what I do have is, are you, are we prepared to meet our God? And just like in Amos, and this was in chapter 4, and God was talking to Israel, therefore thus I will do to you, O Israel, because I will do this to you, prepare to meet your God, O Israel. Well, and see, not only does Israel need to be prepared, but we as individuals need to prepare for the day when Jesus Christ comes back to rapture the church out, and that's it. We prepare in our lives for lots of things, we prepare to get up in the morning, brush our teeth, eat our breakfast, go do whatever we have on our list, but are we preparing ourselves to meet Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, and to stand in front of God with the Bema Seat judgment and have our rewards, because that's a time when we're going to be rewarded as believers and followers of Jesus Christ.

And also, I see an increase, and apparently I would think it is an increase, in the volcanoes, earthquakes, and things that are happening. We see a lot of issues with mold and mildew and all kinds of things that have increased, sicknesses in people, and also the lawlessness in this land, there's so much lawlessness, and God sees all of this, and Jesus is going to have to come back for his church, and also he's going to come back with his second coming to rule and reign and get things straightened out. Yeah, and he's coming back, Deborah, and the Bible says to always be ready. Always be ready, whenever it is, you know, if it's pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib, if it's 200 years from now, we should be living in a way that is ready. And, you know, one of the things that I thought about as well is that there's some people who are absolutely obsessed, well, is Jesus coming back this week? Is it next week? Is it ten years from now?

Or whatever it is. And it's like, no, we should be focused on occupying until he comes. We should be winning the world for Jesus Christ, but then I also believe there's some people on the other side who just completely want to ignore the subject because you've had some people make some false predictions, and they don't want to pay any attention to it at all. And so, Deborah, I want to thank you for the call, and we've got somebody coming on next, but we will be right back. We want your calls at 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. We'll be right back. Alright, this is Michael Zwick, and I am back. We've got a Jeff on the phone, but before I introduce Jeff, I wanted to let you guys know, tomorrow at noon, and every Saturday at noon on the Truth Network, I have my show. It's called If Not For God with Mike Zwick, and it's stories of hopelessness turned into hope. So, would love for you guys to tune in tomorrow, but let me ask you, Jeff, when do you believe that Jesus is coming back, and why do you think that?

Jeff, out of Winston-Salem. Well, Mike, I just wanted to just say that I believe in the pre-treat of rapture, but I, you know, my biggest thing is that I hear people, you know, that want to plan one way or another, and stuff like this, because I used to study it a whole lot, you know, the future things, but I changed my mind, because it really doesn't matter now. Let's just read, if we just read Matthew chapter 24, it says, Take heed that no man deceive you, for many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars, and see that ye be not troubled. For all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines, and pestilence, and earthquakes, and divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you, and you shall be hated of all nations, for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another, and many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many, and because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

But heed that shall endure until the end, the same shall be saved. And I'll read the last verse in a minute, the 14th verse in just a minute, but all these things have come to pass, and are coming to pass, all in the earth right now. The thing is that I feel that these pains that we're having right now are all problems that are challenges to the Church, that we're going through a time of squeezing right now, or a time of where the heat of the devil is being put on us, so that the real gold comes to the top. You know, the dross comes up and that dross is cleaned off, and so that the gold is pure, so that the Church is pure, and can challenge all these things that are coming, all these problems that are coming, I feel that the Church is going to rise up, and be this beautiful bride for the Lord at the same time that all these things are going to be happening in the world. And so we're going to have the worst of things happening in the world, but the Church is going, these are challenges to the Church, to rise up and to show who she is in Christ Jesus. And here's what it says, verse 14, it says, And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations. Then shall the end come. Yes, so it sounds to me, Jeff, like we've got to get busy, we've got to get busy sharing the gospel, and we've got to do our job.

And Jeff, I really want to thank you for calling in. One of the things that I was thinking about, and we've got James here out of Roxboro again, but one of the things that I was thinking about as well is, yes, let's focus on the return of Christ, but let's also focus on what Jesus taught us to do in Matthew chapter 5. For example, Matthew 5, 9, Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and say all evil and manner against you. Falsely for my sake rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets which were before you. And how about Matthew chapter 5, 44? But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be the children of your Father in heaven, for he maketh his Son to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

James, what you got for us, brother? Yes, I don't want to call any division, but I want to say that Dr. Hennet is not being, he's being less than, he's being disingenuous. He said that the post-trius and the pre-ras position was not taught until recently.

That's not true. Polycarp, which was a student of John, thought that there would be a post-trius, there would be a pre-ras. Anarius, to follow Polycarp, also taught that. And this is as early as 100 AD, right after John wrote what he did in Revelation. Now, the beginning of the book of Revelation begins with Jesus talking about the seven churches.

So, should we believe what Jesus, John, and the people that John spoke with, and they talked afterwards, should we believe what they say, or should we believe what commentators said? Also in Matthew chapter 24, we need to also read 16, 17, and 18. Then let them, which be in Judea, flee into the mountains. In other words, there are going to be people here that need to flee, because this guy, the Antichrist, is going to come and he's going to make the abomination that causes desolation. That is spoken about in Daniel. Once again, I'll refer back to Daniel. Let him which is on the housetop not come down and take anything out of his house.

Let him which is in the field return back to his clothes. In other words, Jesus is saying, hey, when you see these things happening, remember, you've got to go. You've got to be somewhere else. And for somebody to be disingenuous and say that this is a recent teaching, it's not true. Like I said, both Polycarp and Anarion is taught a post-trib rapture of the church, which I refer to as a pre-wrath rapture.

Therefore, God is going to pour out the seven bowls which he speaks about in Revelation. Now, I'm not trying to have a debate with anybody. What I'm trying to do is trying to say, hey, we need to read the Word and we need to stop being disingenuous about what we're speaking. And I'm not trying to discredit Dr. Hannett. I'm just trying to say that he just said that this was a recent teaching. No, this was taught since 100 AD. So I really don't have any more to say about that than what I said, but I tend to believe Jesus more than I believe commentary.

Does that make sense? It does, and one of the verses that I think a lot of the pre-wrath people would use would be 2 Thessalonians 2, chapter 3, and it says, Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. Well, to me, is that not talking about the antichrist? He has to be here before that day can come.

That's absolutely true. Not only is he going to persecute the Christians that stand up and try to fight against the antichrist, but Jesus says already, hey, when you see this abomination that calls desolation, flee. He doesn't say fight. He says flee. He says go.

Because this guy is going to seek to kill anybody that does not believe what he believes. And James, one of the things that I would tell you as well is that, you know, for a lot of people, hey, we don't argue about it all the time or this or that or whatever, but it is very important because if we are in fact here during the tribulation, there is going to be a mark, it's a mark of the beast, that you get either in or on your forehead or in or on your hand, in or on your right hand or in or on your forehead, and once you take that mark, there is no repentance. There is no turning back. Once you take that mark, you are damned to hell forever, or at least that's the way that I read it. What do you think? That's exactly what I think. I also would like to point out, if I am wrong about the pretrial, if I'm wrong about a mid-trial, then I don't have a problem because I'll be taken out of here. But I really think people ought to consider that if I'm right about what I'm saying, and the scripture is right about what it's saying, and we are here, we need to really get our act together because we are going to be in for some awesome times to come along. I just want to say that as the ending, especially when Jesus talks about, one will seek to turn in another and kill another. He's talking about the church is going to be divided in itself. They will think this antichrist, when he comes in talking about the seven-year peace that he's going to administer, they will think that he is the return of the Messiah. And when they do, they are going to follow him and turn in those that don't believe that. I'm just saying, if I'm wrong, I'll be in heaven anyway. But if I'm right, please, God, open the eyes of the people. Corey Camboon said, Corey Camboon, who experienced a lot of tribulation in her time, said, if we're thinking about some miraculous turn that God is going to rapture us out of here, we ought to look at what's going on in China. And she said this in the 70s, we ought to look at what's going on in China and the Middle East. And James, that's our show for the day, but I appreciate you calling in, brother, and I tend to agree with you. But I've tried to be fair about this, and I hope to see you tomorrow.