Family, Faith, and Legacy with Karen DeNui

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You're having a great day out there wherever you are. I'm here in the studio with Karen and I, and she is just a phenomenal, phenomenal woman. So much to share. She's a Jesus girl. She's a mom of a bunch of girls. She's a prayer warrior and just lives this super interesting, adventurous life with Jesus. And so I'm so glad she's on here. We're going to hear some of her story and just have fun talking. But Karen, introduce yourself.

Tell us a little bit about you and get strolling. Yeah. So we were like, how did we meet? Oh, it's such a good story. Yes. Our daughters brought us together. Absolutely.

So fun. They're both of them have this passionate love for the Lord and the world and everything else. The Lord just drew them like a magnet. And then she's like, mom, you got to meet this amazing girl.

And I did. And then I met Alicia and it's just been such a blessing. I have to say though, they were pretty young when they met each other.

And when you have two girls who are wide open and just, you know, kind of no inhibitions and big personalities. I was like, we prayed a lot. Yes, we did. They weren't troublemakers. They just like live big.

Yes, they did. And when you're living bigger than your life experience. Two amazing young women that are great friends to each other because they understand each other in some ways that not everybody does. Right. Right.

Yeah. So tell us what you're up to these days. Tell us what's making you happy.

I love it. Well, I'm, I, um, about myself, I'm from Winston Salem, grew up here and, um, met my husband at college. We got married and moved to Denver, Colorado, uh, for about 15 years until we came back here.

Um, about 15 years ago in 2010. I remember when you moved back because we had lived here about 10 years and then this beautiful tall woman shows up and I realized you look a lot like your brother, Stu Epperson and your mom and your dad. But yeah, I remember when y'all came back and everybody was so excited. Yes, it's been wonderful. We've just been so blessed and, um, we love, we go to Reynolda, um, Presbyterian. Oh, that's been a blessing, changed our lives. Um, I have four daughters.

It's just one blessing. I told the Lord, I said the first one was my exceedingly. The second was the abundantly.

The third one was above. And then when we had a fourth one, I said, all I can ask or imagine. That's a great way to put it. Yes, it's just been, they are all a joy. But now I have three sons who are such a blessing. The Lord has really blessed us. And now I have three grand babies and one on the way. Wow. And, um, oh, there's just nothing like it.

It's just incredible. And then after, what do your grandkids, what do you think your grandkids are going to call you? They picked a name? Yeah, they call me Lovey. Oh, that's so sweet. Yes, that's so sweet. I am Lovey.

Yeah. And, uh, it's just a blessing. And, um, after I had my first, when I was having, actually I was pregnant with my first daughter. I got my master's in counseling.

Okay. And, but then having her and then children, um, I didn't work as a counselor. And just this year when I had an empty nest, the Lord called me to go back into counseling and, um, boy, it has been such a blessing and joy, just helping people, helping them find their true identity. Um, it's just the greatest joy serving him in that capacity. I can only imagine what an incredible counselor you are because you, you have the joy of the Lord. You have the knowledge of scripture, deep knowledge of scripture, uh, understanding of how the Holy Spirit works. And then to have this experience and this education added to all of those other pieces.

I, I'm sure God is using you in mighty ways in people's lives. You know, let's talk a little bit about identity since you brought that up. It's one of my, you know, I guess favorite topics because I feel like it's so foundational for people. So tell me how you think about identity, how you talk with people about identity. What do we mean when we say identity? Well, identity is just how truly how you see yourself and how you label yourself. And sometimes your identity is often even subconscious. You don't even realize the identity you're walking in because you've walked in it for so long. It's like your name.

You don't even think about your name when someone says your name. And you don't, well, you come to you, you answer, but you don't really think about, Oh, they said my, you know, so, um, the identity though, gets shaped by different experiences that we start out with having. It goes actually back to the womb at conception. Now identity is actually starts to form there. Well, and if you, if you know, from God's perspective, he's forming you in the womb and he is forming your personality and your identity and so many of those things. Yes. And I guess, you know, you're also being shaped by your environment, even though you haven't even made it into the world yet. Yeah.

Yeah. It's so true. Even at that moment, your identity is starting to be formed. Um, they have so much science that shows the baby is receiving all this kind of information, right? Even in the womb.

And it's, it's, it's really amazing. Um, the science they have on this, which goes to show about the word of God is true. What it says right about even from the womb, the Lord knew me, he called me by name.

I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. Um, but yes, so we start out, um, different circumstances, how people see us, um, how we start to cope with pain. Um, because pain, as we know, starts at a very young age, inevitable. It's, it's, it's coming as part of the human experience. Yeah. Right. And so from that place, we develop an identity of who we are.

And typically, we figure out a coping mechanism of how we're going to see ourselves to deal with the pain around us. Now, the other is true, though, many, though, have grown up in the church, and they've grown up knowing about this beautiful, I'm fearfully and wonderfully made from the womb. Right.

My identity is a child of God, and that's beautiful. Um, but even then, they had, all of us have to be reminded, don't we? Absolutely. Of who we are. Yeah.

But when it's really sewn into you, it is completely different, but all the same. Yeah. We'll come back to this idea. I'd like to impact this a little bit more after the break. If you want to call in the numbers 866-348-7884. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. When we left off, we were talking, I was talking with Karen Deny.

She's our guest today. And we were talking about identity and her counseling business and how the Lord, she had that education and all those things earlier on and stepped back from that to raise all these girls and has all these son-in-laws and bet new babies in the family. But in the last couple of years, God has called her back to counseling and she was just sharing how, how rewarding that's been to step into the people's, you know, people's most difficult times in life sometimes and be able to be like a healing presence in somebody's life and bring truth and see transformation.

And it's, you know, some people look and they're like, I can never do that. But when you do it, you see that you get a front row seat to see God's redemption and his love and his healing. And so tell me a little bit more about your counseling and then we'll circle back to identity and then we'll swerve off in another direction.

So, yeah, let's pick up there. Yeah, it's just beautiful. Just helping people realize who they really are. We all, I call myself actually a cardiovascular surgeon of the soul.

So I go in with the power of the Holy Spirit and I figure out where people have blockage and literally blockage where the blood of Jesus is not flowing freely to every part. What a great picture. You know, just a visual. Yeah.

The number one cause of death is heart attack. Right. And that starts, doctors say, as in childhood where you start getting blockage in the arteries.

And we know pain starts right in childhood. Yeah. And so the Lord wants to come in by his truth and set us free. Amen. And so what we go in and see is what's the lie? What's the blockage in your soul that is keeping Christ's blood from flowing freely?

Wow. For you to receive his grace, his love, and as we were saying, his identity. And so when you go in there, go in with a person with the help of the Holy Spirit, you're able to identify the lie. So often we believe a lie in trauma.

That's where it first comes in. You see that with Adam and Eve, when the Lord said, Who told you you were naked? Who told you? Where did this lie come from? Karen, what are some of the common lies that you feel like people believe? You know, what are the pitfalls?

You know, where do we, where do we misstep and start believing something that's not true about us that actually takes us to like a false identity or a harmful identity? I hear a lot. I'm a disappointment to God. Wow.

Yeah. I'm a disappointment. God's not proud of me.

God's ashamed of me. Do you think that probably comes from something that was said to them? Or just maybe not knowing God well? Or the combination? Yeah, for example, one time I was counseling an old lady, an older lady.

She is probably 79 years old. And, and it's interesting when I counsel people because people will also come to me that want counseling, but they're also sick. They're physically sick in their body. Don't you see a lot of overlap? You know, we're not, we're not singular beings. We're, we're physical, emotional, spiritual, mental. Those seem to overlap so much of the time.

Yes. So when you have blockage in the soul, unresolved trauma, pain, and this blockage happens, you see mirrored a blockage in the body. And now we have all the science to prove this, right? You have all this information now of brain scans, body scans, the cells remember, and they hold on to it. And it weakens the entire immune system.

It's just fascinating and creates this open door to allow sickness in when we have unresolved pain, unresolved hurt. And so, for example, I was counseling this old lady, she had this horrible pain in her back, several other ailments. And I started praying. And she said to me, she said, while you were praying, she said, I realized, I've never thought of this before.

When I was six years old, I had an aunt come to visit. And she looked at me. And she said, she looked, well, no, she said, she looked at my brother and sister. And she said, Oh, y'all are so beautiful. And then she said, she looked at me and she said, Well, honey, what happened to you? Where did they get you? Well, and she said, in that moment, she said, I realized that was the open door of, I'm not enough. I'm not enough. I'm not pretty.

Right? They are. I'm not. They're valuable. I'm not. Yeah, they're worthy of being loved.

Apparently, I'm not. And as those things maybe get reinforced from other life experience that that channel just starts to run deeper. Yeah, that low view of herself, low view of identity, she would then go on to explain led her to two very abusive relationships with men. Because she said she just took it because that's that's who she was. That's what she deserved. Probably in her mind. She didn't deserve to really be loved or valued or honored or she had no sense of value or dignity. Yeah, yeah. And so so beautiful to pray with her. Like, you know, I don't care.

It doesn't matter if you're 79. You can be free from my lie right now. Do the power of Jesus Christ, whom the sun sets free is free indeed. Oh, I love that verse.

Yeah. And we're going to believe for God to heal all this other pain in your body. Right, that you've obviously just stored this. So if we did it, it was just so beautiful just to see the joy.

And then for her to say the truth. I am a child of God. I am something because God has chosen me and given me his name.

I am enough. Yeah. And I think once a person starts to say that to themselves, they over time can actually believe it. Sometimes you're just telling yourself truth. Yeah.

Until your heart catches up or till that blockage breaks loose. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. And you have to replace it with the truth. Right. And just not believe a lie. Right.

Because there's a void there. So you have to replace it with truth, which is what I've always loved about you. You are a truth speaker. You know, scripture and it, you know, you just that, that just flows out of you. So when we come back, I want to talk a little bit about motherhood and just life in general.

So we'll be right back if you want to call in our numbers 866-348-7884. And we left off, we were talking about identity and just Karen's, the way she counsels people, she prays to the Holy Spirit. She uses her counseling background, all the knowledge that she's learned. But we were talking over the break of how all these years of just her being in the word, so much of that rises right out of scripture.

Sometimes science catches up. Yes. And then we add the training that we receive, the godly training that we receive. And it just, you know, it all comes together and then you really are able to speak into people's lives. So anything else before we kind of wrap up that topic? No, it's just if even if you're struggling with something today.

Yeah. Jesus wants to set you free. There is no problem too great for God. There is nothing that you have done that the blood of Jesus is not capable of saving, cleansing, redeeming.

And he wants you to come to him. And sometimes it's as simple as you identifying the lie you're believing and then declaring what is the truth of the word of God that will set you free. And you just deal with one lie at a time, like pulling poison out of a wound.

Just going to pull one strain out at a time until the flesh is cleansed out and you're free. So there's no magic. There's no magic formula. It's just believe the truth of Jesus Christ and be set free from that lie. Some of the things that I've heard from different counselors is they encourage people to identify the lies, find the truth that replaces it, and then actually just just spend time every day rehearsing those truths.

In about 30 days, you start to build those new pathways in your brain and your mind, which affects your body and your your heart and your soul. That's right. You know, it's not those those lies. They're well, they're well ingrained. And so it actually takes effort and the Holy Spirit replacing those. So it's not like you said, it's not a magic trick. It's not like, oh, now I'm going to believe this truth. But it's a it's a lot of work to believe the truth when the lies come so naturally over time.

Like you said, he can do anything and he can replace those lies and turn that around. Well, and in his we remember the word. His yoke is easy. His burden is light.

It's not you. Exactly. Talk to so many people who are trying so hard, trying so hard to be free. It's OK. Let's let Jesus set you free. There you go. Let's let Jesus, who has all power, all authority, who died on that cross, bore your shame and actually your feeling, your feeling of pain, your feeling of sin. He bore that on the cross. So let's let him who bore that.

Let's let him set you free. That's so good, Karen. Thank you for that. Yes. We were going to talk a little bit about just motherhood and family.

Yes. And so I guess one question that I had is now that your kids are grown, what's something that you wish that you knew when they were little? Is there anything that you would have approached differently?

Or maybe another question is what? What would you tell your 30 year old self? How old were you when your first little girl was born? I was. Oh, man, I have to think about that.

It doesn't matter. I was 24. So what would you tell the 23 year old Karen about life and family and children? How would you encourage her?

Because there's a lot of 23, 24 year old Karen's out there. Yeah, I would just say, you know, enjoy, enjoy. I just and I did, by God's grace, try to enjoy. But we're tired.

Right. Mothers are tired. Mothers are tired. It's hard. It's exhausting. And, you know, moms are just so hard on ourselves.

So we're very hard. And now with social media. Yeah. And all these things, even my kids. I mean, when they started having children and they started telling me all this information about even the pregnancy and then the babies.

I was like, oh, my goodness, I didn't know any of that. Right. Like it's information overload and the pressure, the pressure to perform on this level and know every study and know it's it's a little overwhelming. You have to be it's like society almost pressures you to be an expert on everything. Yeah.

So that you're a good mom. Yeah. That's just not realistic. Right. You know, you need to you need to pick the main things and make the main things the plain things. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's just I just love I love one of my I love I think as a mother, it just when that baby was born, it just changed my life. I just I just was so overcome. Something so beautiful just came out of me by the power of the Lord.

It it's overwhelming. I just love, though, these glimpses of God, these windows. He lets me look out as I see my children.

Right. As I see my grandchildren. And I just I love to bring that aspect to people about God's delight over them. I love watching mothers. I love watching them. I watch my niece, Hope.

Oh, yeah. As she watches her sons and she's just smiling. She just enjoying. And I'll say something. She'll smile.

Agree with me. My daughters, you know, as they watch my daughters, a little one and a half year old, just got this plastic slide and she'll slide down and we just all sit there and watch. We just we just watch this little one. What does that tell you about the heart of God? Yeah. No. Yes.

He delights in us. Yes. And he you know, he has this freedom with us. Yeah.

Because he's not carrying all these expectations. He's you know, he's busy running the world, but that's nothing to him because he's God. But like just the delight that he has in us. Yeah. That if we allow ourselves. Yes. I read a book a long time ago. It was about spiritual disciplines, but one of the chapters was on celebration. Yes.

The spiritual discipline is celebration like celebration and just celebrating the moments. Right. And instead of being so concerned about what's next or, you know, making a big deal about the small things. Yes. And, you know, just living life with that perspective. Yeah. And it takes a while.

I think that's what God is growing that in us. Yeah. And, you know, that perfectionism that you start out with. You can't you can't maintain it for very long.

No, you can't. And the sooner you can give it up, the better. And then you can just live free. Yeah. Just live free. Nothing to prove but God's grace. Amen.

Yeah. I love it. I walk up to mother sometimes as I'm watching them watch their children. And they're sitting with these adoring eyes, smiling face, joy. I just walk up to him and say, thank you for showing me a picture, a glimpse of what God's heart is for me. Because I realize he's watching me like you're watching your child. He's rejoicing over me like you're rejoicing over your child. And when we can get a whole when we can understand that delight God has over us, he's not looking at you saying, oh, look what's wrong with you or shame. Oh, look at her sin.

No, Zephaniah 3 17. He's singing over us. He's rejoicing in his love for us. It's just his heart so overcome.

He just has to start singing. Yeah. I love to think back to like the eternal trinity. You have the father, son and spirit existing in this bond of love and out of the overflow. He creates humanity. It's not that he needed us. He he didn't need servants.

He didn't need he he wanted to extend that love. Yes. Beyond himself. And so when that's the core of who God is, we see it in first John that God is love, his very essence, his very nature, his very character. And I think I think sometimes it's hard to believe that identity that he's given us because we don't really know who he is.

Yes. And so I think part of that transition for us and discovering our identity and walking in that freedom is understanding who God really is. It is very core and it is very core. He's love. Now, he doesn't tolerate sin because it's for rebellion against the one who created us and loves us. But then he makes a way to take care of that through his self sacrifice.

It just blows my mind. But it's made me just have this deep love for God because of his great love for us. Amen. And there's so much freedom in that. So I think sometimes people just need to get to know the Lord.

He's revealed himself through Christ. Yes. And so, well, let's keep talking.

How has being a grandmother shaped you? Oh, it has been. I hear it's great.

I'm not there. Glorious, glorious. I'm telling you, people told me that. And until I saw that baby being born, that my first grandchild. Oh, my word. Oh, the joy. The absolute joy.

Yeah. Over just overflowed from my heart. That precious baby. And my, my, my third grandbaby was so wild because she had a miraculous, miraculous birth.

She was a breach baby. Wow. And so we were just praising God. Right.

That she was bored. It was fine. We'll be right back here and hold that thought. All right. Come back and talk a little more. Just a minute. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. We're moving into our last segment and you had a quick miracle story. Yes.

That I really want you to tell. Yes. Oh, this baby was born.

Breach was fine. I mean, just absolute miracle. But then the baby ended up having some complications due to something we didn't even know about the blockage in the intestines and not attached correctly to the colon. And so literally after her birth, like the next morning, she had to be raised to Baptist and go through this like six hour surgery. Wow.

Of them attaching that, uh, intestine to the colon. And anyway, it was just praise the Lord. She was fine. The surgery was successful. It's like I saw two miracles, two miracles, two days in a row.

But the beautiful thing is you're asking me about God and these windows of seeing the Lord and his love for me on an even greater level. I love that baby. When she was born, she had done nothing.

And I love that baby, Rayleigh. And I didn't I didn't know there was something wrong with her. And even when I found out something was wrong, I didn't love her less.

Right. I didn't think, oh, she's not perfect. So therefore I don't love her. No, I loved her. I loved her even in her imperfect state. And then when she had to have the surgery, I loved her and something was wrong. I loved her even more.

It's amazing. And I saw such a picture of God in that, that he loves us because we're his. Exactly. I think Christianity brings the idea of image of God that actually gives dignity and value and worth to every single person, no matter what they can contribute, no matter what we feel like they bring to humanity. They are valuable and they're worthy of being loved and respected and honored because they're made in God's image, because he created them. It's the creator that gives the value, not the person who has to earn their value.

Yes. And that changes the way we view the world, how we view disability, chronic illness, so many different things. You know, that's why we care for the poor. There's so many things that it's a ripple effect of exactly what you're saying.

This baby was born and you loved it because it was made by this creator who instilled in this baby the image of God. So I love that idea. Yeah. I'm going to ask you just a couple of other things.

Let me look over my important list here. Oh, yeah. Here we go. What kind of legacy? Yes. Do you want to leave behind? I know you come from a family that I consider a legacy family. Yeah.

Not because of what God has done in you and through you. Yeah. I just I love seeing the different ways.

I guess I don't even know if it started before your mom and dad, if they're previous generations, but I know they're the ones that I know. Yes. And seeing their legacy of faith and investing into the world, like kind of what's Karen's role in that? What do you hope that God is doing in you and through you that will outlast you? Because when we know Christ, our lives can actually outlast us. Yeah.

We can live for something bigger than ourselves. I love that. Yeah. Oh, I love it. I love legacy. I love legacy. I love it because it's such a picture of the Lord and his grace again. And it's so awesome what I grew up in.

I was so blessed to have two amazing parents that love the Lord and still the word of God in me. I mean, my mother taught me just hundreds, hundreds of passages of scripture. That's the first time I ever met her. Yeah. Was that an event at Calvary? And she was talking about scripture memory. I was blown away.

Yeah. And I went home and I'm like, OK, I need to memorize the scriptures. And I had never memorized those verses. I had knew them from hearing her quote them. And I knew whole chapters.

Just amazing. And I love and my father was so influential in my life as well. He would pray over me every night, lay his hands on me as he tucked me in and say, Lord, I pray Karen will always live for God.

She will always live for God her entire life. And he would pray that over me. And I believed it. I believed that prayer. And they spoke blessing over me. And I've lived from a place of blessing.

And it's so beautiful. My dad came from a Christian legacy. My mother did not. She grew up in a very broken home. And she at age 10, someone invited her, a little neighbor girl, invited her to go to church.

And she didn't want to hurt the little girl's feelings. She didn't really want to go to church, but she didn't want to hurt the little girl's feelings. So she went to church on that Sunday. She heard the gospel, received Christ as her savior. And every time those doors were opened, she was there at that church, changed her whole life. And she said, I want a different legacy.

I don't want to grow up like I grew up. Isn't that the great news that you don't, you can have a new legacy. Yes. You can be the chain breaker in your family.

You can be the one who invites the Lord to reframe your whole future. Right. Yeah. My dad was the same way.

Yeah. I have people say that to me. They're like, I want to be you. I want to grow up in your family. And I'm like, sweetie, you can be because my mom didn't grow up that way. In fact, she grew up with a lot of pain.

And her stepfather was not a Christian. I said, you can start your own legacy. That's the good news.

You can. And so I want I've carried that on, though, to my children. And my greatest desire is every one of them. Every person that comes from my lineage will follow Jesus Christ until Jesus comes again.

And I'm believing he'll do that. I love that. You know, we have some common passions, I guess, ministry to women. Yes. And I was just thinking about how are you investing in women around you?

You were telling me over the break about, you know, some of the Bible studies that you're part of. And, you know, to have that opportunity just to live that out and to call other women. Yes. Into this truer identity and to call them into ministry. Yes.

And tell them, remind them that God has more for you. Yes. Then you may even realize. Yeah.

But what does that look for you right now in this season? Oh, it's so incredible. I have the honor. I'm an elder at Rinaldo Church. And then I'm part of the women's leadership at Awakenings, Rinaldo Church's women's ministry. And every Thursday at nine thirty, we have the most phenomenal Bible study with Anne Wright and Ashley Johnson. Yeah.

And Ashley Johnson. And it is so great. Beautiful praise and worship. Great Bible teaching and an opportunity if you need prayer to come and get prayer for whatever you're going through. We'll believe with God for you. We get people that are battling cancer or have a child away from the Lord, whatever.

We we stand in agreement with them. And so that's a blessing. And then I and I teach I lead one of the small groups there and I'm on the prayer team as a life minister. And then on Fridays, I lead a prayer group, which has been meaning for just since I moved here, really 15 years ago, where we we lead. I lead moms in prayer. We pray for our children. We pray scripture over our children.

And then even if they don't have children, they can still come. And we just pray for God's work in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, in the world. It is such a blessing. I don't know what you see. I feel the sense that God is really moving in this generation in this time.

Yes. I've you know, I'm 56. So I've I've been around a while, but I've never really sensed this much movement of the Holy Spirit and people coming to Christ from, you know, far from God. And then here in the gospel, being baptized, you know, being discipled. I just think it's an exciting time to be alive because I really see I don't know if it's an openness. I don't know if, you know, some of the lies that we believed as cultures have just run our run the course. And this secular life that people have tried to create has come up so empty. And I think maybe there's people are starting to go, maybe there is something there about faith and about God.

And maybe I need to look into that. But I've just been so encouraged. We work with a lot of young people at church and I try to tell people, you know, you think you think there's, you know, people have lots of opinions about the younger generation. But I'm telling you, a lot of them are on fire for Jesus. They are teachable.

They're open. They want to change the world. You know, they just they need some discipleship and some mentorship.

But it's encouraging just to see and to dream and to wonder what God is doing. And we know where he's taking this whole thing. Yes.

So what he's going to do with this generation and what he can do with our generation. Yeah. Like we're not done. We're still here. One of the songs is if you're not here, God's not done.

Yes. It's an exciting time to be alive. Because, you know, God's in control. The Lord is in control. And where sin abounded, grace abounded more. God is moving and he's moving to perfect that which concerns us. He working in us to will and to do of his good pleasure, which he planned before time began that we should walk in. So these are exciting times. The Lord is saving people. And, you know, the gospel is going to the ends of the earth. To the ends of the earth. I heard recently that due to just the advancement in technology, that what used to be 150 years to get the gospel or to get parts of the Bible, at least in every language.

It's down to like eight years. I heard that at a Phil Wickham concert. I was blown away. But all these different Bible translation organizations are working together.

And this evil AI that everybody talks about is actually being a force for being able to translate these languages so quickly. So it's just amazing. Like God's like, oh, hang on, hang on. Just ride this ride with me because it's going to it's just living with Christ is the most exciting life. It's hard. And we haven't even talked about just suffering. I've been tremendously shaped through suffering, as I'm sure you have to.

Yes. Well, Karen, we have so much to talk about. Will you do this with me another day? I sure will.

We'll do part two. I love it. But I've loved having you today. Thank you for listening out there. And I hope you have a wonderful, wonderful rest of your day.