Megachurch Pastor Calls Black Trump Fans "Runaway Slaves"

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Well, hello, everybody. Welcome to the Todd Starnes radio program, your voice of truth and hope across this great country, border to border, coast to coast, across a rooted plain.

Well, there's a lot happening across America. Our starting point today is from Atlanta. Atlanta, Georgia, where a radical megachurch pastor has stirred up quite the hornet's nest, and he delivered a sermon on Sunday that really was so grossly offensive. I am just surprised that lightning did not strike the church house, and specifically the pulpit at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church.

Now, this is not the first time we have gotten wind of one of the so-called preachers using their churches and their church houses to attack President Trump and Trump supporters. But this one was really egregious because the pastor was calling out black Trump supporters.

So you might remember last week, and we told you about this lavish Black History Month celebration, this reception they had at the White House, and President Trump incredibly gracious. And the pastor of this church, a guy by the name of Jamal Bryant, and this guy is, well, you're going to hear from him in just a moment, and it's important for you to hear the full context of the clip so you get an idea of who this guy really is. But just a couple of weeks ago, he was the same guy that was spewing from the pulpit this racist hatred against Trump supporters in general and said that God was going to run all you mega people out of the government. Why this guy's tax-exempt status has not been revoked is beyond me.

So anyway, you're about to hear from Pastor Jamal Bryant, the pastor of this mega church, a church, by the way, that invited Kamala Harris to preach.

So you kind of figure out what kind of a church this is. Cut number eight, please. I'm sorry. Cut number nine, please. Been praying for me all week.

You've been nervous all week, but I ain't afraid of the spooch that sat at the door. These runaway slaves hiding in the White House, gonna throw my picture up thinking that I'm gonna be afraid. If you got real cards, don't show my picture. Show the picture of the one that fired the black joint chief of staff from the military. If you're going to show a picture, show a picture of the CEO of Target, Walmart, McDonald's, and Amazon that does not recognize black dollars or black business.

If you're going to put up a picture, put up a picture of the state legislators in Florida that are banning black books. If you're going to put up a picture, put up the picture of the one who is stealing classified information from the irs and social security if you gonna put up a picture put up a picture of those that don't want your mama to pay 35 for insulin and your child to pay 35 for inhaler if you gonna put up a picture put up a picture of those that are jailing children and separating families. I ain't ever scared. In case you forgot, I'm from the west side of Baltimore. If you got a problem, pull up on me.

Stokely Carmichael said, our fathers had to run, run, run, but my generation is out of breath. We ain't running no more. Yea, though I walk. And after being on the Run for 26 years from Saul and Philistines. David said, my running days are over.

We don't have to run anymore. You only run when you're scared. But you walk when you got confidence. That greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world. Would you look at your neighbor and tell him, I ain't running nowhere.

Be like a tree. Be you steadfast. Unmovable. always abounding knowing that your labor is not in vain i'm not gonna run when nobody is chasing me but i'm gonna walk like a smooth operator i gotta walk because i understand that no weapon formed against me shall be able to prosper all these other churches might not say nothing but at 6400 Woodrow we right outside of Decatur where it's greater you got to understand that there is more for us than there are against us look at your neighbor and say as long as we stick together we ain't gotta run hey your tough men said whenever I tried to make our people be free, there were a few Negroes that tried to go backwards and tried to risk our freedom. I feel bad for them coons in the White House who are in there tap dancing for Massa, wearing bow ties, shitting and grinding, laughing like nothing is funny.

Get out of there Negro and stand with your people so that you understand that God is on our side. All right.

So I'm about to pull up on the preacher here for a minute and tell him some cold, hard truth, preacher. God ain't on your side. God's not on the side of what was spewing, the filth spewing out of that man's mouth. Ladies and gentlemen, I wanted you to hear this because you have to hear the entire context. This is not something that was just off the cuff.

This is what's happening in churches. And by the way, it's not just this particular church in Atlanta, Georgia. We told you about the preacher that was calling for violence against Republicans in Chattanooga, Tennessee. This is happening all over the country. That's what's going on here.

You've got the left, and they have infected these churches.

Now, the pastor is, and I use that term very loosely, but I want to break down a couple of things this pastor said, because they're enraged right now. The pastor, when Kamala Harris got up to speak at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, he actually said this from the pulpit. He said, black people are getting ready to elect the next president of the United States. You know what? Turns out that was true.

But it turned out to be Donald Trump that the black Americans elected in droves, in record numbers. And you want to know why, ladies and gentlemen? because for the black people of America, Election Day was also Political Emancipation Day. I said it, Political Emancipation Day. And when people were going to the ballot box all over America, from Memphis to Detroit to Atlanta, Georgia, and they walked into those polling stations and they pulled the lever, they wrote it out on their paper ballot and they shouted, free at last, free at last.

Thank God Almighty I am free at last. They loosed the chains. and they escaped the Democrat Party's oppressive plantation. And that, preacher, is what happened on Election Day. You filthy man.

This is not a man of God. A man of God would not use the pulpit to spew racist rhetoric. A man of God is not going to threaten critics with violence. A man of God is not going to use the House of God to stoke the flames of division. what's happening in churches like that is very dangerous for this country because you heard the crowd there were thousands of people in that room by the way it wasn't a sanctuary that was not a holy place that was a demonic place and thousands of people standing up and cheering and hooting and hollering and i don't know what's going on with that preacher i don't mean him ill at all but somebody needs to get him to a doctor a respiratory expert or therapist because something's not right there with the what was with the snorting and the gasping of air jesus loo we can't even we've tried to mimic that on the air for you but we can't figure it out i say to you i say jesus loo nobody wants to hear that can you imagine a 90 minute sermon like that so let me explain something to you about the people like jamal bryant and i'll invite the guy on the program i'd love to have a conversation with a thug like that he's a theological thug in that guy he's a no account mediocre race-baiting hustler just like al sharpton now the bible talks about this and i want to make this a theological discussion here but i i do want to say something for just a moment the bible speaks of people like this preacher Bryant, and they call people like him jackals and spiritual beasts.

That's what the good book says. And the Bible says, watch out for the false prophets. They come in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. That's what that was. But the idea, and I'm just outraged over this because I know many, many black conservatives, patriots one and all.

They don't wear skin color on their sleeves. They go out there, work hard every single day, raise their families, try to make sure their kids are getting a good education, working their butts off in their small businesses, just like everybody else, the Asians and the whites and Hispanics. We're all struggling in the same boat here. but to get out there and to compare people who are voting Republican as coons, runaway slaves, you know what they were running away from? They were running away from the tyranny and the oppression of the Democrat Party and their politics.

So I'll give the pastor credit there. people were running away but to use that sort of racist language to describe people that you just disagree with politically that is not a man of god ladies and gentlemen and if you are in a church and hear me on this and if you're all in a church and i don't care what kind of a church it is we got churches in the memphis area that are spewing this pro-illegal immigration nonsense i don't care who you are, what denomination you are, what your skin color is, but if you're in a church that's spewing that kind of hatred, you need to get your butt up out of the pew and out of that church. Because that's not a church. That's a political operative.

Now, my good friend Charlie Daniels, who died several years ago, and Charlie was a regular on the show for years, charlie wrote a popular country music song many years ago you might remember it the devil went down to georgia it's a great song but it turns out the devil really did go down to georgia and it looks like he took up residence in the pulpit of the new birth missionary baptist church all right we got to take a quick break here folks 901-260-5926 you okay with that kind of rhetoric coming from a pulpit? And honestly, why aren't we pulling the tax-exempt statuses of these? These are not churches. This is about electioneering. They're not preaching the gospel.

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He's been covering the border nonstop. And this is a disturbing issue. We understand that people are leaking information about ICE agents out of ICE headquarters. And now that information is showing up in flyers that are being posted in neighborhoods all over Southern California. The flyers show the names, the pictures, and the phone numbers of Immigration and Customs Enforcement ICE agents.

Multiple federal law enforcement, reading from Bill's piece here, multiple federal law enforcement sources confirmed to Fox News that anti-ICE activists have been interfering with ICE operations in the Los Angeles area. And they've been posting all of these posters across Los Angeles, and they were written in Spanish. And they translate roughly to careful with these faces. Quote, these armed agents work in Southern California, ICE and HSI racially terrorize and criminalize entire communities with their policies. They kidnap people from their homes and from the streets, separating families and fracturing communities.

Many people have died while locked up in jails, prisons, and detention centers. All of this information on the posters that are popping up, and they're showing the faces of these ICE agents.

So we're not going to be sharing this information because we don't want to share the faces or any of the personal information regarding these very important government workers right now.

Now, this is dangerous because what's happening, according to Homeland Security, is now you've got MS-13, all of these south of the border gangs, and now they know who these ICE agents are and they know who their families are. You understand what's happening here. This is nothing more than an intimidation act.

Now, we understand from Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security Secretary, we understand that they are in the process of identifying the leakers and firing the leakers. That's not good enough. These people need to be thrown into jail. You leak this kind of information, and you put federal law enforcement officers at risk in jeopardy, you go to jail. Do not pass go.

Do not collect $100 or $200. You go directly to jail. That's what ought to happen here. It's getting very ugly out there, ladies and gentlemen, and we've got to make sure that these ICE agents, Border Patrol agents, know that we've got their back as the deportations continue. But I'm with Tom Holman here.

The numbers are just not good enough. We need to be deporting tens of thousands every single day. We've got to do it, folks.

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But a lot of people wonder, how did she even make it this long on a cable television? I want you to listen to this montage the team put together of some of the more outrageous things that joyless has been spewing over the past couple of years. Cut 14. The race lady. Why would he call me that?

Is this really about me fixating on race? Or is it about you fixating on race? Donald Trump wants to never let black and brown folk up off the mat. Evident what they mean by DEI, right? Why not just say what you mean?

You can't stand black people. We get it. You've been heard. Are you committed to naming a black woman as your vice presidential running mate? They wanted to go after the brown people too.

Because of course, that is their other target. You feel joy? Say joy. It's not fashionable to be openly racist anymore in America, unlike what they call the good old days. Only the white Christian men may have the things.

So you own everything that happens to your mixed status families and to your wives, sisters, and abuelas. Joy. If you are black plus anything else, you are black. Violent white nationalism that today threatens our national security. Make a joyful noise.

Don't send any of those invites to any black women you know. we do have a fascist groundswell in parts of this country mainly among white men let's be clear i mean you're also a white guy are you saying the we is white folks need more kids make your own dinner maga make your own sandwiches wipe your own tears god can give that woman the kind of joy she had right there similarities to what happened in germany and what's happening now in america are just undeniable donald trump is acting like a nazi talking like a nazi and now posting like a Nazi. Like Trump, Hitler was also viewed as a clown, a goon who could be kept in line. After a four-year break to learn to accurately quote Adolf Hitler, right winners were saying, get in the oven anytime you made any benign comment on Twitter. Elon Musk, I guess he misses the old South Africa in the 80s.

He wants that back. Not only is Trump a criminal, he's also someone who is arguably in mental and perhaps even cognitive decline. Yes, Biden is aging. He's shuffles when he walks and like forgets names and makes gas but he's not incoherent he can give us prompter speed all right that's just a smidge ladies and gentlemen so the folks over at msdnc are literally in mourning last night they held a wake for joyless reed um rachel maddow the last man standing over there um had this does let's listen to cut one please an even bigger programming programming change, is at 7 p.m. Eastern, where Joy Reid's show, The Readout, ended tonight.

And Joy is not taking a different job in the network. She is leaving the network altogether. And that is very, very, very hard to take. I am 51 years old. I have been gainfully employed since I was 12.

And I have had so many different kinds of jobs, you wouldn't believe me if I told you. but in all of the jobs I have had, in all of the years I have been alive, there is no colleague for whom I have had more affection and more respect than Joy Reid. I love everything about her. I have learned so much from her. I have so much more to learn from her.

I do not want to lose her as a colleague here at MSNBC and personally I think it is a bad mistake to let her walk out the door. It is not my call and I understand that but that's what I think. I will tell you it is also unnerving to see that on a network where we've got two, count them, two non-white hosts in primetime, both of our non-white hosts in primetime are losing their shows, as is Katie Fang on the weekend. And that feels worse than bad, no matter who replaces them. That feels indefensible, and I do not defend it.

Wow.

So Mr. Maddow here actually called his bosses racist. this you can't make this up you just heard it rachel maddow calling his bosses a bunch of what kkk white robe wearing cross burning racist i wonder if she's she's gonna have a show tonight that's insanity but this is who these people are folks and they they just don't get it they just don't get it may i just say something here about what really what really happened and i don't i I don't want to be in the business of defending MSDNC. I really don't. But this had nothing to do with race.

It had everything to do with Joyless Reed being an insufferable jerk. But more than that, it had everything to do with the ratings. You live by the ratings. You die by the ratings. That's the way it is in radio.

That's the way it is in TV. And when the ratings take a plunge, you're lucky to have your job. But when they take a plunge and they don't come back, then you're done. And when you look at Joyless Reed's ratings, I'm just shocked they didn't cancel her years ago. The latest ratings from Nielsen show that she's lost more than 50% of her audience since the election.

understand this roughly 50 60 000 people in the 25 to whatever that age demographic is watch joyless reed overall about 700 000 people in this great nation of 200 some odd million watch this woman she had no ratings she lost her audience that's it her show was so bad that not even liberal democrats wanted to watch msdnc black white didn't matter that's how bad it was. And here's the thing, and a lot of the conservatives, and I really shouldn't, and this does not do me, this does not help my case by sharing this with you. Because I want every radio station in America to carry this program noon to three Eastern. But I'm going to share this word of advice with my fellow conservative talk show host out there. Nobody wants to hear you screaming for three hours.

Nobody wants that. Nobody wants to hear you droning on about the same subject for three hours. You got to be entertaining. You got to be fun. You got to be passionate about what you do.

And we try to do that every single day on this radio program Yes it okay to be righteously indignant but you don need to be screaming about it literally for three hours Nobody wants to hear that Nobody wants to hear it on the left side either So if MSDNC could somehow be a little clever okay maybe they could generate some I don know, some small audience. I'm sure there's somebody out there that would want to watch that nonsense. But I'm just telling you, that's one of the biggest mistakes that a lot of these conservative of pundits are making is that they're just screaming at people or being just downright mean. I mean, okay, if that's the way you want to do it, all right, best of luck to you. But we try to have a little bit of fun on this program.

All right, we got to take a break on this program, too. We got to pay some bills. 901-260-5926, our telephone number. That's 901-260-5926. This is the Todd Stern Show.

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All right, welcome back, everybody. Happy to have you with us. This is the Todd Stearns Radio Show. Coming up a little bit later, Danny Gokey, who is a great, great singer-songwriter, three-time Grammy nominee, is going to join us. Also, we're going to talk to the dad of an Asian-American student.

This kid nearly scored a perfect score on his SATs. he had a 4.4 grade point average and the poor kid was denied he was rejected from i think 18 total schools he was so brilliant that google actually hired him right after high school graduation at a phd level engineering position within the company but anyway he's now suing these universities because of their discrimination policies. And they're saying that Asian American kids are being discriminated against. They're being shoved aside for DEI students.

So we're going to be talking to the father who founded an organization called Students Who Oppose Racial Discrimination coming up in just a little while. 901-260-5926 is our telephone number. That's 901-260-5926. Let's say hello to Dan listening to us in New Hampshire. Hi, Dan.

What's going on? How you doing? I was calling because I didn't know if people knew about this, but Bill Gates vaccine organization, Gavi, gave $4.9 billion. They got $4.9 billion from USAID. And we've already established a lot of these corrupt politicians are tied to USAID.

You got the Clinton involved, Obama, right? And Biden, they're all tied to it. And when you look at this, if you look at, Breitbart reported this back in December 1, 2023, giving kickbacks to China and leasing a plane from a Chinese company, $2 million a year, okay, from a Chinese company, okay? Governor Ron DeSantis, check it out. It was reported.

December 1, 2023, Washington Examiner backed it up, and the New York Post and South Florida Sun Sentinel all back it up. There's several sources on it, okay?

So what are you saying here? Dan, what is the point you're trying to make, though?

Well, Ron DeSantis, if you go back, President Trump talked about during the primary how he voted against American Social Security and Medicare. He voted for China and CPP. He was bought and paid for when he was a congressman by China. He was backed by the Bushes back then. Because if you go look, you can look this up.

In an interview, when he was campaigned... No, no, no, just get to the point. Yeah, Dan, what is the point, though, you're trying to make? Just get right to the point here. The point here is we cannot have Casey, another DeSantis, in Florida as governor.

It's got to be Byron Donald. Guy's unbelievable. America first. He's an A-plus, 100th perfect voter. I mean, guy's unbelievable.

I met him several times up here, up in New Hampshire during the binary. I talked to him. The guy's phenomenally economically intelligent. This guy is presidential someday. I'm telling you, I sat down one time with them after President Trump won the primary.

Over, I think it was an hour to two hours, we sat down at the table just talking policy.

Well, Dan, let me jump in here. Let me jump in here. And it is going to be a wild race down in Florida, no doubt about that. And it's going to be a DeSantis versus Donald's Donnybrook.

So certainly, Casey, looking at running, and we appreciate your call there. 901-260-5926 is our number. That's 901-260-5926. So federal workers are getting pretty aggravated right now at Elon Musk.

So Elon sent out an email asking them to detail the top five things they had done last week on the job. And there was a lot of blowback. Said that if you didn't turn it in by Monday, you would be fired.

Now he's given them somewhat of a reprieve. And Lisa Murkowski over on the Senate side is just outraged over all of this. Cut number 10, please. The intimidation, if you will, that deliver these five bullets by Monday at noon or you lose your job. Again, if you want accountability, let's ask for accountability.

But let's do that through the proper chain. All right.

And so now a lot of the agencies under the Pentagon of 4-1 told their employees, no, you do not fill this out. I'm just, again, bear with me on this. I don't understand what Elon's role is in the administration. Is he the acting president of the United States? Is that what's going on here?

Because I don't see how this is connected to what he was assigned to do with Doge.

Now, it seems to me Elon's got his hands full already. They have yet to really, really drill down and discover and find all of the corruption and the wasteful spending. We're talking about trillions of dollars. Elon needs to be focused on that. But now if you're telling me, and bear with me for just a moment on this, so now Elon is putting himself above all of the cabinet secretaries.

And Elon is telling all the Pentagon workers, hey, look, you will do this. You will answer to me. You do not answer to Pete Hegseth. And you are going to have to turn in all this information. And Hegseth said, no, no, no, no, no.

We're not doing that. That's not how we're doing this. I control the Defense Department. But there are some in MAGA world who say that Elon should have carte blanche, he should be able to do whatever he wants to do, and that this is his assignment. I've got a problem with that.

I trust that Pam Bondi is going to be able to root out the corruption in the Justice Department. I trust that Pete Hegseth is going to be able to do that in the Pentagon. I believe that Linda McMahon will be able to do that in the Department of Education, which, by the way, has yet to be dismantled. Just want to point that out. It's February 25th, and we still have a Department of Education in this country.

I'm getting a little bit nervous, and I want to tell you why. Because the longer this draws out, and trust me, in political terms, we've got to get this done quickly. But I'm concerned that if we don't accomplish a lot of this by the midterms, it's not going to get done. And we told you yesterday on the show that it's great that Elon is pointing out all of this wasteful spending. But until Congress, it's up to Congress to deal with this.

And I'm not seeing Congress dealing with anything right now.

So just pay attention here, folks. And it's going to be a little bit rocky, I'm afraid. But ultimately, this is about Donald Trump completing his vision for America and fulfilling that vision for America. And that vision is not bigger than any one person.

So just again, folks, just pay attention to what's happening in Washington, D.C. And I don't have any sympathy at all for these government workers in these places like USAID, for example. I've got no sympathy for folks like that. But here's the reality. Let's just say that you've been on the job and you're being told you've got to turn in this information.

And if you don't, you're going to lose your job. That deadline comes and goes. And then they tell you, okay, if you don't turn in this information, you're going to lose your job. Here's the thing. Stop playing games.

If somebody's job is worthless, if there's no need for that position, eliminate the position. Fire the person. We don't need all the theatrical stuff. Let's just get on with it. That's what I'm trying to say.

Yeah, I'm a little aggravated this morning over this because I want to see the mass firings. and I want to see the mass slashings of the budget. And we've gotten a taste of it, but we need a lot more. All right, got to take a quick break here, folks. 901-260-5926, our telephone number.

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Some of them were certainly expected, you know, Stanford, MIT. You know, it is what it is, right? But yeah, for some of them, like Cal Poly, some of the state schools, I really thought, you know, I had a good chance. His name, Stanley Jung, and he and his father just filed a lawsuit against the University of California and the U.S. Department of Education.

The Jones allege that UC is engaging in racial discrimination in admissions despite the law banning the use of race in the process. I want to show the UC statement to us when we inquire. They call these lawsuits meritless. And they also say the UC undergraduate admissions application collects students race and ethnicity for statistical purposes only. The information is not shared with application reviewers and is not used for admission.

All right.

That was a story we told you about yesterday on the program. And it's really shocking. It has been underreported. and we're shining a little bit of light on what's happening to Asian American students all across America who have been victimized by these diversity, equity, and inclusion policies. Hello, everybody.

Welcome to the Todd Stearns Radio Program. Happy to have you with us, hour two of the show. I want to go right away to our Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line and say hello to the founder and president of the Students Who Oppose Racial Discrimination, S.O.R.D. you just heard his son welcome nan zong to the program uh nanzon so happy to have you with us on the show yeah glad to be here so i am just astounded by this story and it sounds like your son is just a super brilliant kid uh tell us what happened what what happened to your son well honestly we don't know we've been asking that question to the uc officials california state lawmakers and Governor Newsom for the past year and a half, and none of them even engaged with us for any discussion.

So that's probably what's more surprising, more frustrating, and I think more unacceptable than initial rejection.

So, Nan, take me back to your son's high school career. He was a pretty darn good student from what I understand. Yes, I agree. all right so um he took the he took the um well first of all what was his grade point average um all waited he's had a 3.97 dpa okay and he did well i'm i'm assuming on the test scores did well there that's right yeah he took sap and scored a 50 90 without much preparation wow that's Impressive.

So he starts applying to all of these colleges, and how many schools did you apply to, and what happened? Yeah, he applied to a total of 18 colleges and got rejected by 16 of them, including some of the ones that you heard earlier, Paul Calley and some of the University of California campuses. Did they give you guys any explanation, any reasoning? No, no.

So in the rejection, there was nothing other than you're rejected.

So we did try to pursue, hey, this doesn't quite make sense. Nobody thinks this conforming to common sense. Can you engage in a discussion? That's where we're stuck. We've been pursuing that discussion for well over a year, and they have never engaged with us for any meaningful conversation.

So how did you come to realize that this was racial discrimination?

Well, several things pointed to it. First of all, when the story broke news in October 2023, I received a lot of emails from other Asian American parents and students. Their stories are very similar. Super strong qualification, getting rejected left and right for no reason anybody can justify.

So the patterns start to emerge. It's just not one isolated case. It's a very consistent pattern across a large group of Asian American applicants. And number two, somebody sent me a video. It was a UC Berkeley Law School dean, Mr.

Irvin Chmirsky, talking to apparently a large group of students perhaps in a public talk, maybe giving a lecture. He was publicly touting that in their faculty hiring, they not only consider race in violation of the California Constitution, but in order to not get into trouble with the law, they actively hide it. They actively conceal any evidence of it. When I watched that video, I was totally shocked. Can you imagine that, a law professor teaching people to break the law and conceal the evidence?

That is just absurd. And thirdly, we started digging more around, and we find out all UC campuses actually are actively pursuing a federal program called the Hispanic Serving Institution. And that program mandates 25% of the enrollment of Hispanic students. And, for example, UCLA and UC Berkeley, which are two of the most competitive campuses, most selective campuses in the UC system, and they're not there yet. For example, UCLA is at 21%, and guess what they're going to do to get to 25%?

They're going to squeeze other groups out of the admission. And those are the things all pointing to racial discrimination. No, I mean, I think you make a pretty good argument there, a pretty good case. And this is a huge problem. And, you know, the root of all of this, the diversity, equity, and inclusion policies, I have to imagine not only impacting white young men, but Asian-American students across the country, non.

Yeah, what I have trouble with is that I think our Constitution is pretty clear. individuals should be treated as individuals not as some member of a group and that's very clear in non-constitution i think somehow that's missing um on the uc administrators mind you know it you're right about that and and it i just don't know where we we went awry but these dei policies are now right deadly and dangerous and you know when god forbid you're on an airplane that you know that flips over upside down and is careening down the runway, as happened about a week or so ago. And at that point, you're wondering, oh, wow, I wonder where my pilot got his qualifications. And this is something that everybody in the country is now having to deal with. And the way I see it is pretty simple.

I want the best person flying that airplane. I want the best engineers building bridges and roads. I don't want somebody who failed basic engineering, right? I want the best and the brightest, Non. Yeah, I think we should have, for example, in the context of college admission, we should have academic excellence as the primary criteria.

Identity politics, I think it should be kept to the minimum. I agree. Our society is not perfect. There are historical things that probably put some groups at a disadvantage. But I think what they're proposing is a cure that's worse than the disease.

Well, I'm with you 1,000%, Nan, and we're going to leave it there. I know we're going to have a conversation tonight on my Newsmax TV show, and we appreciate you coming on the radio. And again, folks, the organization, and this is an important organization, Students Who Oppose Racial Discrimination. You guys have a website. How can people get in touch with you if they want to be a part of this?

Yes, they can go to our website. It's sword.education. Education, that's the full word.

So S-W-O-R-D dot E-D-U-C-A-T-I-O-N. All right, very good. All right, Nan Zong, thank you so very much for coming on the show today. Yeah, thanks for having me. All right, there you go, folks.

Sword.education is the website. And as hard as it is to just get your head wrapped around, Asian American students across the country, and you heard him say this when when they filed the lawsuit they just started getting calls from all over the place saying oh yeah this happened to my kid that happened to my kid when you put it all together you can understand what's really going on here and i would love to see a situation where you don't even have race on the application for for college because as mr zong said it ought to be about one thing academic excellence and i don't know about you as much as i i don't for oh geez i'm gonna get in trouble again teter and i don't mean to i mean we're just we just launched across st louis and the entire state of missouri and i want to get in too much trouble here but i don't want a blind guy flying my airplane i want somebody who's gonna be able to see what's coming Does that make me a bad person? I don't think so. If I own a basketball team, I want to make sure my players have legs. Does that make me a bad person?

No, I don't think so. I'm just saying you can take all of this to the extreme. That's all I'm saying. 901-260-5926, our telephone number. That's 901-260-5926.

All right, we're going to take a quick break. We're getting to your calls. This is the Todd Stern Show. All right, let's go right to the phones. Harmony, North Carolina, WSIC, our great affiliate out there.

James, what's on your mind today? uh yeah um i know you were talking about the uh the women pilots and the delta accident um i'd like to throw a name out to you uh chelsea sullenberger you remember that i i remember captain sullenberger remember the miracle on the hudson now this man was so experienced he had so many years that there's no way that any dei hire could pull something like that off these women couldn't even make it down the runway without flipping that plane over right james it's you know the the the um the airline that was responsible for that flight made it a point of of having all-female crews that was like a big push and you know by the way there's a movement afoot to actually change the name cockpit to flight deck because, well, anyway, you can kind of figure out the reason why. But to your point, the question is, were these women hired to fly that airplane because they were the best and the brightest and most qualified, or was it because they were women and one of them was a beauty pageant winner? The latter, what you just said. it's pretty shocking james and and i i hate to say it but when i get on board an airplane i want to make sure that the pilot knows how to fly the blasted plane yeah and landed too and landed yes yeah all right james appreciate that call um let's go to melissa in georgia wdun hi melissa what's going on hi um i thought you saw yesterday when the french president was sitting next to Trump in the Oval Office.

The president answered that question. Trump said, the fraud is so huge. Let's find out if these emails and employees are legitimate. For me, Todd, the corporate workforce today and in the past 10 years, I've sat next to my co-workers while they were watching movies. I had co-workers during COVID working from home bragging about taking up painting or some home improvement project during the day.

It's about accountability. We, the people, the taxpayers, are trusting that you are doing the work. Every daytime planner has a section for this week's accomplishments, and every good salesman has to write a sales report with their top five accomplishments. It's time for America to get back to work, and are we scared to be held accountable? it can only help us be better stewards of our time and be more effective that's my comment well no look i appreciate your comment melissa and i don't look i don't have a problem with with whatever that email that went out i i don't have a problem with that what i my concern is is elon overstepping and why does elon have control over pete hegseth or pam bondy you know Let them run their government agencies.

Elon needs to focus on the issues at hand. Let the individual secretaries do that. And for that matter, just start firing people. Stop giving deadlines. If somebody's not showing up to work, really, we gave them a month to come back to work?

Melissa, how about this? 48 hours, your butt's in the chair in the cubicle, or you're out of here.

Well, I don't know why anybody's afraid of listing their past week's accomplishments. and it all goes back to the treasury i would assume that all these people are being paid by the taxpayers and that's why just like when he found in social security that there were that's ridiculous that there's people over 120 years old god only says we can live perhaps to be 120 and that would be such an obvious thing for any analyst or anybody concerned about if there was accountability if accounting is being done correctly to just look and see who's the money going to people that are over 120 years old i don't care if it's 10 people in the whole country that's ridiculous what a waste and that is about what doge what i thought doge was doing so i don't have a problem with what all right okay well good enough good enough melissa look i well i appreciate your call and i'm just i've i've seen i've seen this happen before with republican administrations and i just want us to focus on the on the task at hand and let's stop playing games let's stop giving people the deadlines if you've got deadbeats working in the government fire them just right on the spot fire them and if you've got people that are out there exposing ice agents and their personal information fire them and then throw their butts in jail and i want to see a pre guns drawn raid just like they did on all of the pro and that not called payback that is actually called justice you got people out there putting out the private personal information of these ICE agents They know exactly what they are doing.

So that's all I'm saying. 901-260-5926 is our number. That's 901-260-5926. So Ben Dieter just brought this to my attention. And this is a shocking story.

so we've got the doj up the butts of our police department here and it's causing a big problem we have great police officers in memphis tennessee we don't have enough great police officers because we're down what seven eight nine hundred from our full complement and memphis is a freaking war zone correct an absolute war zone it's terrible we're down like almost a thousand if we're being honest police officers at least a thousand and it's they're they're underpaid they're they don't have the resources they need and we've got a mayor ben his name is paul young and this guy got elected with only what 28 000 votes of that yeah it was i mean hardly we live in a city of one point well metro area of 1.3 million people and he won the mayor's race nobody nobody went to go vote And so they tried to convince us that he was some sort of a centrist, a moderate Democrat. This guy is like Jasmine Crockett wearing pants. That's who he is. Yeah, exactly.

So now we just got word. I just, this is shocking. They're starting a commission. Is that right? Starting a commission to investigate the police department, to reform the police department.

Yeah. This is code for defund the police. Yeah, it's a task force, Todd, to reform the police department because Biden's DOJ came into Memphis and said, all the cops, you're all racist. Ignoring the fact that, Todd, do you want to share the demographics of our city and our police department? Yeah, the police chief is black.

The command staff is black. I think there's one white guy. Overwhelming number of the police officers, the rank and file, are black. Everybody's pretty much black. Yeah.

Yeah. So I guess they're saying this is black-on-black crime then, because they're saying that these police officers are beating up black people in Memphis.

So they create this task force, and they're hiring all sorts of activists to come in and reform our department.

So they just put a person in charge of the task force who is on record saying that she wants to dismantle and defund the Memphis Police Department. If that happens, it's over in our city. It's over. All right, we're going to play some crazy audio. I'd love to hear the thoughts of the Memphis audience.

Mayor Young has now hired somebody who wants to defund and dismantle the Memphis police. 901-260-5926, our telephone number. That's 901-260-5926. This is the Todd Stern Show. It's not necessary for them to have that much money in their budget.

Amber Sherman organized this block party to start a discussion about defunding the Memphis Police Department, reallocating part of MPD's budget and investing it in the community. Crime would go down and be a deterrence if you actually fund the real root causes of crime, which is, you know, socioeconomic inequality, food deserts, not having a good education. All right, that is Amber Sherman, who has just been put in charge of a commission that's going to reform the Memphis Police Department. This woman wants to dismantle and defund the police department. Ben Dieter, I mean, what are the KWAM listeners saying about this?

They're enraged. And it would be one thing if we had the luxury of being in a safe city, but we're in a city that makes Gaza look peaceful. I mean, our crime and our homicides are through the roof.

So we don't get the luxury of playing around with these social experiments like hiring that woman you just heard to reform the police department. You can't reform people. You literally have gone on record saying you despise and loathe. It's laughable. You have to laugh.

Otherwise, you'd cry.

So I want to go on the record here. And we have a lot of new listeners in St. Louis.

So in addition to hosting a national radio program, I own KWAM Newsradio. We actually originate our national show from Memphis in a heavily fortified, heavily armed bunker. That's true. We have the best locks in this city. Ben accidentally dropped a grenade on the way up to the studio.

You've got to be prepared. We have bazookas. We have surface-to-air missiles on the roof. Todd's got Cavalier he wears when he gets in his Cadillac. You've got to do what you've got to do.

And I say that because yesterday, I don't know if you saw the video, there were some people, there were visitors, out-of-town visitors. And this is my warning. I'm getting right. There's a broader point here. There's this video.

There were out-of-town visitors, and we love people to visit. Our tourism is a huge industry here, which is why people are terrified. We don't want people to run away from Memphis. But hear me on this. My city is not safe for you right now.

you do not want to bring your family to memphis on a vacation right now and the reason why is because these radical activists have completely let loose the criminal element in this city i want to give you an example so these people i think they're from arkansas and they video this they're stuck in traffic and there is a man wielding an axe band-eater and the guy is like attacking another car with the with the axe and the the play-by-play is a bit profane we can't play at all but one of the people said those people in Memphis don't play around and it's true yeah I have a little pocket knife I keep in my glove box I think you need a machete I know I mean it's I mean and again there there was a big report out the and there the I don't know if you saw this report the tourism people you know they're like oh it's the safest city in america and meanwhile everybody's like hiding under you know chairs because they're afraid of getting shot and it turns out that hotel the hotels are are not are not filling up they're having problems and it it's a big deal and it's all because of the crime nobody wants to talk about that nobody wants to address the issue you've got to get to the root cause todd of crime and you got people like the amber sherman's of the we got we got to reform the police department we got to defund and dismantle no ma'am no what we've got to reform are the people in memphis tennessee mpd is just fine thank you very much we got to start parents stop raising your kids to behave like animals can we have that conversation is that too inappropriate to have but i don't care who you are where you live what part of town you live in stop raising your kids to be to behave like savages running around carjacking people it's unbelievable what was it one of your one of the kwham listers sent you a note yeah what happened she's looking for a realtor so any real estate agents and we hate to see people leave memphis but the population has been declining rapidly todd i mean in the last five years. It's insane what's happening. Just a mass exodus of people leaving Memphis, which is crazy because you have thousands and thousands of people relocating to Tennessee, but they're all going to the Nashville area. This woman asked us if she could find a realtor, said, hey, can you guys at KWAM help me find a real estate agent? Because my son, he was just pumping gas and he was carjacked and they had just moved to the Memphis area, thought it would be a great place.

You got low cost here. It's a pretty affordable place. But the kicker is the sum was carjacked.

So now she's at her wit's end putting the house on the market. You know, the truckers and some long-haul truck drivers were sharing this intel with me. The long-haul truck drivers tell each other, do not stop for gas in Memphis. You want to stop outside of the city limits, either in Arkansas, or if you're going to get into Mississippi or head up Interstate 40, but don't stop in Memphis is just too dangerous. I mean, these are the real-time conversations that people are having.

And if this happens, if they really do move to dismantle and defund the police department, then it's going to be over for Memphis, Tennessee. The mayor is already literally inviting gang members into City Hall. You think I'm making this up, Ben, but I'm not, right? I mean, he's invited gang members in for what? Tea and crumpets.

Yeah, yeah. The blood in the crypts. They got an invite to the mayor suite. We've never been invited. Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.

We don't have enough tattoos. We'll work on that. But anyway, this is a lesson to every other major city in America. Don't mess around. Don't play around with your police department.

You need to have a fully funded police department or else your city will be turned into a war zone. We really are Mogadishu on the Mississippi here. I mean, that's what Memphis has become. And it's shameful. And this mayor, he's no moderate.

He is a radical leftist. He is a Jasmine Crockett, Ilhan Omar, AOC leftist. And I just, I feel bad for you folks. But part of me doesn't because you people were so lazy. You sat on your asses and you didn't go and vote on election day.

And you get what you deserve. They voted for soul and swagger. And this is what it looks like. They got death and destruction. I'm just saying.

901-260-5926 is our telephone number. Do we have bulletproof windows in the fortified bunker? Ben, could you check on that? Yes. 901-260-5926.

Let's go to the phone lines. Ron in Youngstown, Ohio. Ron, what's on your mind today? um i uh wanted to ask uh when i mean a while back i heard a i mean a guy tried to tell me that if you voted for trump it's going to sound so it's really my tongue's eye that if you voted for trump that that automatically gave you the market of beast in the bible i read says that that's going to be a choice you're going to have to make when it's common practice to have to have that mark to buy and sell wait wait wait wait wait Ron wait wait wait a second so this guy said that if you voted for Donald Trump that means you you've got the mark of the beast or you're going to get the mark of the beast no no you you've got you've got the mark you've got the mark of the beast all right well I thought it was like I don't know in the in all the the book of revelation movies I've seen I mean isn't that like some sort of a mark like a barcode, and you have to see it's like in your hand? I don't know.

I thought it was three sixes, but it might be a barcode. Oh, okay. But it's the idea, the Bible says, that it's going to be that way when that's the only way you can buy and sell is with that mark. And right now you don't have to have a mark to buy and sell.

Well, because nobody's got any money to buy anything. Let me ask you something here, Ron. I'm intrigued by this.

So what did you tell this guy?

So this guy is telling you this, and how did you respond to this news? I doubted it, and I forget what I responded, but it was to the effect that I doubt that because what I just said, The Bible says that that'll be when this is called practice. And it isn't called practice right now. Oh, he says that his address over there in New York City, Trump Tower, is 666.

So that's why by voting for him, that you get the mark of the – if you vote it for him, you get the mark of the beast.

So you're telling me that Trump Tower on beautiful Fifth Avenue, by the way, that's the location where Trump said he could walk out into the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and nobody would care. You're telling me that he told you the address was 666 Fifth Avenue?

Well, that's what he said. No, Ron, it is. No, that is not true, Ron. I want you to go back to this person, and you've got to tell him that the actual address of Trump Tower is 725 Fifth Avenue in New York City. And the zip code, in case he says, oh, the zip code is 10666.

No, sir, it's 10022. I think this guy's yanking your chain, Ron.

Well, he believes he's a man of God. That's the best part. Is he a Democrat? Who did he vote for? you said it without me answering the question yeah there you go i all right ron hey i appreciate the call but i think you're safe i think you're safe there's there's nothing to worry about here donald trump is not the antichrist and he does not live at 666 fifth avenue i will say this though The building is 663 feet tall.

Could it be Satan? Yeah, I don't think so. 901-260-5926. So let's go to our resident theologian, Toad Suck Scott. Toad Suck, what say you?

I'm sorry, Todd. i feel uh listen that guy was that guy was great but listen i voted for trump i don't have no 666 on my forehead or my hand so i don't i i don't know where that's coming from but anyway i gotta toad suck i gotta tell you i'm i'm gonna need a little vacation down at the gulf of america uh that's that's what i need america go with it baby hey hey tell me can you give me back to being because I had won a book from you and never got it. Oh, well, we'll take care of that lickety-split. Hang tight there, Toad Suck. Don't go anywhere, and we'll get that taken care of.

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Welcome back to the Todd Stearns Radio Show. You want to talk about 666. I think it's that church in Atlanta. Welcome back, everybody. This is the Todd Stearns Show.

Let's go to the phone lines. Craig in Georgia. Craig, what's going on? Hey, Todd. I understand you've lived in Manhattan or Brooklyn for quite a while, right?

I did. I lived in downtown Brooklyn. Yes, sir.

Okay. Do you remember the big building in Manhattan? I want to say it was on Brooklyn, but it had the three red six on top of it. It had what on top of it? Your phone connection is not too good there, Craig.

What did it have? It had the outness ticket 666 on the top, like the address, the 666. Do you remember that building? Did you ever notice that? You know, I don't think I noticed.

I mean, there is a 666 building. It's over on Fifth Avenue. But I don't recall the numbers actually being on the rooftop. They were right around the para, whatever you call it, not paraquat, but anyway, around the rim of the top. And it was on the corner of one of the faces, and it was red sixes.

And I always thought, why would you flomp that? Why would you flomp that? I think the guy that called previously might have been referring to that building. But the interesting thing is it is connected to the Kushners.

Now, that is, yeah, so this is interesting because the Kushners wanted to buy that building, and one of the concerns they had was, in fact, the address. And so part of the purchase agreement, they wanted to change the name or the actual address to 660 instead of 666.

okay this i was back there in the late 80s so maybe they made some progress on that yeah they bought it back i think it was in 2007 when they when they originally bought it that would be the kushner family so okay well that settles that then okay great okay all right i just thought i'd throw that out craig i'm glad you did thank you for thank you for calling in you never know you know dieter whenever a conversation veers off in the mark of the beast territory It's sort of anything goes at that point. Yeah, yeah. It turns from the Todd Starn show to the next sequel of the Left Behind series real quick. I just want to be in an airplane. You know, that was the part of the movie that terrified me about Left Behind was in the airplane, right?

I think that's when I first gave my heart to Christ when I watched that. Not kidding. I called my parents into my room. I was like, I just stumbled across this on Netflix, and I'm going to need to talk to Jesus. I don't want to be Left Behind.

I'm just saying, that's not good. Do we need to go hire personal security? Is that the point now in Memphis that if you've got the money, you either need to be living in a gated community or you need to have a private security force? Todd, I thought you did have a big, massive private security detail. Dylan.

Yeah. And you. Miss Cassidy. You Dieter. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to have to hire some people.

Well, it's ironic because the mayor who's issued this declaration, basically gutting the police department he lives in a gated community so the city goes out but he's fine because he's behind the gates you know what i'm here's the thing i would not be surprised and you know how it is with the seasonal thing is really cold really hot wouldn't be surprised that there might be um you know a blue flu coming in the ranks of the memphis police department folks maybe just stay at home in mass you know that spreads quickly but the city hall is there's they're playing around here and that's going to end very ugly for the city of memphis i'm afraid there you go ladies and gentlemen what a mess what a mess and a lesson for every other major city you folks in st louis pay attention to what's happening down river from you in memphis tennessee and don't let that happen in your city uh by the way want to welcome all of our new st Louis listeners, a real talk radio network. And we're just so honored to be a part of the team there. I know many of you called in last night. Of course, our show airs in St. Louis from nine until 11 o'clock.

So yeah, we couldn't pay Ben overtime. It would have been time and a half.

So if you want to call in, we encourage you to do that, but you have to do that during the live show, which is noon to three Eastern. All right.

Hang tight, everybody. hour three of the big show coming up next danny goki joining us this is the todd stern show Live from the Liberty University studio in Memphis, Tennessee, it's America's conservative blowtorch. That's us, that's right. I love this American ride. Todd Starnes.

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Interesting story. Sent to us by Ben Dieter. And Dieter, I find this, this is your generation, the headline from CNBC, Gen Z battling with phone anxiety. And they're taking telephobia courses to learn the lost art of a call. They just need to work on this show.

Can we train them? No, this is actually a college course, Todd. You can get credit for this. You need so much credit, you get a credit for taking phone calls.

So apparently there is a brand new fear. You know, there are a lot of phobias out there. And there is a brand new phobia that has developed among generations here. And it's called telephobia. That is the fear of phone calls.

Is this real? No, it's totally real. If you were to pull and survey maybe 10 kids off the side of the street and ask them, A, like, do you get anxiety? Do you get nervous when you have to pick up the phone and not text?

So you can't text because everybody just texts. And you have to phone call. They would say that they have anxiety or anxiousness or even a phobia fear of making a phone call. It's very common. They interviewed Liz Baxter, who's a career advisor at Nottingham College.

That's across the big pond. And here's what Liz had to say. Gen Z simply have not had the opportunity for making and receiving phone calls. It's not the main function of their phones these days. Oh, let me stop here for a moment.

If that's not the main function of a phone, what is the main function of a phone? To text, to snap.

Well, she says we automatically default to texting, voice notes, and anything except actually using a telephone for its original intended purpose. And so people have lost that skill. That's fascinating.

So these are people between the ages, well, you were born between 1997 and 2012.

So that's you, Dieter. Wow.

I didn't realize you were that young. No, I'm old. But no, I would fall within those years. She goes on to say that in a class of 25 to 30 students, she would imagine at least three quarters of them will experience and admit to anxiety about not using their telephone.

So the phone rings. Is that why you people never answer my phone calls? Literally, you're staring across the way at two Gen Zers that were shaking our head like crazy. Oh, I know. Just text.

I thought that was me. I thought I was the only person with that problem. No, it's a phobia, Todd. Is there a solution?

Well, I would say just pick up the phone and answer it. Phone's not going to bite you. Oh, here we go. Baxter says, this is a really long story. Baxter says, phones don't have to be scary.

Well, it depends on who's the other line, right? That's true. She said, the great thing about phone calls and audio calls is that you can cheat. You can use Post-it pads. You can write yourself cheat notes.

The non-visual aspect of a telephone call can actually work in a student's favor when it comes to supporting them to come up with the right answers. What is this nonsense? Have we coddled an entire generation of people where now you people are afraid to answer the phone? Ben, pick up. I'm trying to call you.

She suggests writing a little script. Think about what you're going to say. That can help to minimize your anxiety. I have totally done this, by the way. I've written out an entire phone call and read it verbatim like a teleprompter.

You see, I got to tell you, there was a couple of weeks ago, and I got a call. I did get a call from you, and that always makes me nervous because I'm like, okay, what's wrong? right because you you don't answer the ditch i've been shot on i-240 no but then but then you i mean your voice was weird it was like kind of robotic hello todd this is ben dieter and i'm going to be calling in sick today thank you very much and i thought it sounds like it was just written out yeah yeah that's the reason why i was wondering got to work on your delivery a little bit put some theatrics into it we got to call our our trivia guy pet it and he can give you some pointers on theatrics yeah oh god i'm a little parched today i i'm not feeling well well i'd rather just shoot you a text right that i'm out sick i'm taking off a week of work and i could just send you a text but that's never worked as well as a phone call you guys tend to like a phone call. Yes, because it's the proper thing to do. That's what humans do.

We communicate. The seminar also encourages students to breathe in deeply, hold their breath, let it out slowly, and then notice the resulting difference in slowing your heartbeat and making you feel calmer, kind of like that preacher. Oh, my word. Ladies and gentlemen, are you finding this to be the case with your gen zers and gen z if you're listening i'm well i encourage you to call but you don't use phones send us a shout out and they snapchat the show because i bet they would snap chat you if they could snapchat their commentary to what you're talking about today they would they would do that just write it out and then deliver it into the shout out app function on the app no but i totally noticed this it's not even with phone calls todd i book through a lot of young people that work on Capitol Hill. Capitol Hill is staffed by a lot of Gen Zers.

And I always know when I'm talking directly to the boss, AKA the congressman or congresswoman, as opposed to their staff, because their staff will text in like abbreviated terms. They don instead of spelling out U they just use the letter U instead and it all these short codes and these quick text things that you just get very familiar with if you a young person and then you get a text from their boss like a congressperson and it's so official it's like sincerely signed congressman and it's like a totally different language i feel like that that all the the technology has made us more of an uncivilized society. You know, I'm sitting here and we're having this conversation and I still have this beautiful handwritten letter that was placed into an envelope written in cursive and mailed to me through the post office by the lovely Miss Floyd or Miss Foy of Gainesville, Georgia. I don't think I'm I haven't I don't believe I've ever gotten a letter in the mail from anybody under the age of 50. I really don't.

according to the survey this is just fascinating to me gen z's anxiety around responding to phone calls stems from a fear of the unknown what are they talking about we got caller id i know who's calling now that's totally true though it's terrifying whenever you call the words power pop right up on my like oh it's been indeed or hey ben how's it going they associate the ringing with fear she said i don't baxter's talking here i i don't know who's on the end of it i don't know how to deal with it a survey of 2 000 british adults found that almost a quarter of 18 to 34 year 34 year olds never pick up phone calls okay that's about 100 in this building around 61 of the age group prefer to receive a message rather than an audio call over half of 18 to 24 year olds thinking out of the blue phone call means bad news while 40 48 prefer to communicate using social media todd when you call me it's like hot potato i just throw the phone to the near standing person employee this morning 6 30 in the morning i get a phone call by none other than todd starns i think there's a mass shooting. I'm like, oh no, he's delivering bad news. I'm like, Cassie, take the call. She's like, no, I don't want to take the call. It's too early for a Todd call.

Then I hand it to Jill. Jill doesn't want to take the call. No one wanted to take the call and you're a great boss and everything, but I get the fear of getting a phone call from, it's a phobia.

Now we ended up taking the phone call and you had some important things you had to share. You were pretty polite. I'll give you that. I was very polite. I have good phone manners.

There are some people I call, what? what what do you want i'm like well hello how are you i'm fine what do you want you know who i'm talking about too anyway i'm curious are you guys suffering from telephobia this is a new phone anxiety disease that is apparently afflicting jim's ears your generation is it's a lost cause you're laughing but it's so true and it's rude of you to be laughing dylan i'm handing the microphone to dylan do you not get this same fear sometimes dill i haven't entered one phone call this year hold on i'm about to call you and laugh into the phone it's going right to voicemail send me a message no it can't go to voicemail because your voicemail is full dylan it's true delete some messages we got serious problems with this generation we need to just send everybody back we need to start over can we do a do-over for an entire generation is that possible 901-260-5926 our telephone number that's 901-260-5926 this is the Todd Starnes show so I have four Gen Z daughters who try to refuse to make their own doctor's appointments and i won't do it for them i've had to sit down and tell them what to say how to say it and how to be calm about it i just don't understand these kids at all yeah i i don't either that's samantha listening to us in bartlett tennessee on kwam our flagship radio station i this story out of cnbc that generation z so your kids your grandkids are dealing with something called telephobia.

So it's a fear of answering the phone and talking to people. I first thought you were talking about Teletubby phobia. A little of the telephobia. Those things creep me out. I do have a phobia of a Teletubby.

Which one's the gay one? Was it the purple one? I forget. No, seriously. That was Jerry Falwell.

Who was it? Pat Robertson? There was a gay Teletubby? Hold on. Yes.

Does everything have to be gay? what on earth oh it was jerry it was tinky winky yeah so jerry falwell uh the former leader of the moral majority and of course founded the great liberty university uh jerry falwell um wrote that tinky winky's features indicate that he may be gay now you got me at burt and ernie but this might be taking it too far well critics started noticing that tinky winky carried a bag that looked like a woman's handbag oh and also was wearing like a tutu so i guess um showing some signs gender neutral maybe okay i don't know it's those those conversations well this is the headline from back of the day slate magazine jerry falwell and tinky winky the gay teletubby we lived through that timeline that's insane it's i just can't no but but but ben deeter okay but let's fast forward to the year of our lord 2021 here's the headline the teletubbies embrace pride more than two decades after gay tinky winky scandal we knew it all along tinky winky came out of the closet you pearl clutching Tiki Winky.

So, Mr. Falwell was vindicated in the end? Yes. Okay. Jerry Falwell was right all along.

By the way, what about Bert and Ernie? No, it's too soon. What about Barney? We can't talk.

Well, Barney's just weird. No, but those Teletubbies, they just creeped me out. It was the faces and the, I don't know, it's all very strange. They look like alien beings. Yeah.

Very strange.

So there you go. All right.

So yes, it's okay to have a phobia of Teletubbies, but not telephones. I just don't understand that. All right.

Michael Moore wanting to know whether we're deporting migrants who could cure cancer or stop the asteroid that's going to hit us in 2032. I saw that headline, and I thought it was parody. Oh, my God, it's an asteroid. asteroid no that's just michael moore coming down the sidewalk you're good you've still got a couple of years so look here's the thing um let's just say that the illegal is going to stomp the asteroid can they not do that in mexico why do they have to be why do they have to be in america i mean the asteroid will impact both sides of the border so i i think yeah i'm i'm not sure i like that argument So his argument is we're deporting illegals and those illegals could cure cancer. And so cancer will be incurable because we have tough border policy.

But aren't these the same people, Todd, that don't want the really smart people from, I don't know, Finland? They're upset that the Finns are coming over and immigrating to this society because we need more people from that country, more people from the Middle East. but some of those people overseas even some from the middle they could cure cancer yeah i want those people over here yeah all right come on over all right what say you ladies and gentlemen 901-260-5926 our telephone number that's 901-260-5926 going through the stack of stuff here this segment ben deter are you were you the favorite child you you're you're the third you have three two siblings. You have a brother and a sister. Brother and a sister.

Were you the favorite child? Oh, yeah.

I would say that I was the youngest child, so I got more attention than my older siblings. There is something called a youngest child complex, and the same is true for a middle child or an oldest child.

Well, there's actually a survey out there, and a lot of people say, I don't have a favorite child. I love them all. I've never believed that. That's the teacher that says, I don't have a teacher's pet. Yeah, you do.

You do have a favorite. Yeah. So you know your mom, your dad, they kind of like you just connect differently. There's nothing wrong with it, I don't think, except that you're a bad parent. They just lie about it.

That's the problem. Just own up and say, my older brother was your favorite child. He was. I don't think you can do that until later in life. You can make that admission, right?

Well, we knew all along. I hate to break this to you. No, I was actually the favorite. I think I was coddled because I was the first. We would agree with that.

yes no i'm just kidding you can tell i can't answer the way you're the favorite child and not your sister i think so really i'm biased towards me though i wouldn't have guessed that that could be good parenting though you don't know there's a new study out though and it says that you probably do have a favorite child and that gender birth order and a child's temperament can shape whether a child receives preferential treatment yeah i could see that with you dylan You were kind of easygoing, happy-go-lucky. Ben, I bet you were a handful. I was a hellion. I was a demon, so I was not the favorite. Were your parents on first-name basis with the folks down at Juvie?

No. They got every book by Dr. James Dobson and focused on the family on how to raise a kid. Beat them. Get my belt.

Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, do you buy into this? Yeah. Moms and dads, you do have a favorite child. uh 901-260-5926 that's 901-260-5926 this is the Todd Stern Show all right welcome back to the Todd Stern's radio program what an honor to have you with us today let's go to the phones 901-260-5926 all right david memphis tennessee listening to us on kwham david do you have a favorite child no and i you know when when uh i can't even think your co co-person there i can't i listen to him all the time i can't ben deeter ben deeter yeah when When he says that everybody does it but they're lying, that usually tells me that they've been probably in a situation or they've seen it where there is a favorite child.

But I would say this. In other words, I think, well, all parents should love all of their children equally, but each child is different. And so in the circumstances they go through when they're little, the birth order, their teenage years, even the adult years, that sometimes comes with different complications, different things like that. But that doesn't mean, that just means that you work through those situations. But that doesn't mean that you have a favorite.

I mean, you can look in the Bible and see what can happen when you have somebody that loves one son more than the other and the jealousies and all that kind of thing. But I would just say, you know, it's okay if you have the opinion that, and I'm sure there are some people that.

Well, let me ask you a question here, David. is there how many kids do you have we have four boys you got four boys so i don't have kids so this is why i'm asking this question is there a was there a moment david i'm as i'm asking this question i shouldn't ask this question but i gotta know it's okay so was there a moment like when the kids are young when you realize uh-oh that one's going to give us problems maybe i should ask deter deter was deter's here i don't i have i have two older step sons and i have uh two that's biologically mine but i love them i mean i and now they're like 30 35 to 50 i mean they're in that that range so they're old enough to take it yeah yeah but you know what at the same time i don't i don't think i actually tried to say okay this is going to be much tougher now when they hit teenage years depending on the situation you go through that tough you know you you know there's a tough thing there but i don't i don't ever remember saying well uh you know not hitting grandkids now where you know one is just very uh how can i say it one is very uh just easygoing and the other is the spawn of satan they're all different but that that to me doesn't mean that you and you i don't think as a parent you should let yourself love them um more than someone else even though you learn to adjust and and love them you know uh they're all different so you just have to love them differently uh but not not preferential treatment more than the others david you sound like a great a great dad and uh i think your sons are lucky to have you there so It's a fascinating conversation because people always say, oh, yeah, you're the favorite. But as you said, you love your kids all the same. David, thank you for calling, and thank you for listening to KWAM. Let's go to Alan in Georgia, listening to us on WDUN.

Hi, Alan. What say you?

Well, as a realist, Todd, and having raised three that are adults now with children, I think the real way to approach this is to say that at some point in each one of their lives, they're going to all disappoint you.

So your feelings for each one of them fluctuates with whatever they've done that makes you go, what? Whenever they're a teenager or a young adult, even when they're nine years old and shoot the BB gun through the window of your new truck. Uh-oh. that sounds like you know something a personal experience there alan yeah that sounded very personal very specific very specific child is so different you just you know you know that at some point you're going to get a little bit upset at each and every one of them or something or be disappointed and especially if they came through the public school system they're going to do something that makes you go where did you hear that fair enough i remember when i was a kid i'm embarrassed to say i did this um you know my parents were more like here's a book and read it they didn't want to sit down and you know have those uh uncomfortable conversations with with the kids so they gave us books and i remember i actually tried to trade my books for some baseball carts like in fifth or sixth grade there were some interesting photos in those books so anyway i got in trouble because it was a great trade but we had to trade back so unfortunately uh look alan thank you for the call uh i appreciate that deter i have to imagine that was you know here's the thing you have saved my hide really i used to be a little bit woke all right and i would go round and round with my parents i've always been very political i remember having a conversation with my dad about gun rights because i had went to college and i had gotten quote-unquote educated and i've done a 180 like the older i've gotten the more mature and i would i would thank you for some of that because you gave me my first job in news and so instead of working like an npr i've worked for the todd starn show and now my parents adore me back in the day My dad thought I was just an idiot.

Now, my dad and mom were just in Memphis. You signed a book for them. You signed multiple books, gave them to my parents. My parents were like, this is your boss. And now I feel like I'm becoming their favorite again because they know I'm preaching the gospel with you.

The gospel of, well, Republican politics. I'm not a pastor, but. Preach it, brother. I like them. Yeah.

So I'm climbing the ladder, and it's because I've gotten more politically logic. I'll say that. I like that. I like that. You're my favorite now.

Okay. We want to play some audio here. By the way, this is from the White House press briefing. It is underway. And Caroline Levitt, you know, this is, you've got to love Caroline.

So for the longest time, it was the White House Correspondents Association that got to decide which journalist got to ask questions of the president. uh not anymore uh now caroline lovett announcing just moments ago that the white house press pool will actually be determined by the white house press team and that means you're going to have more diverse groups that are a part of that not just the legacy media types that that is a terrific move also uh some questions about elon musk and whether or not he's going to be at the at the first cabinet meeting. Is that right, Dieter? Yeah, a lot of people are really upset that Elon Musk could be, in fact, at Trump's first cabinet meeting, and he's not a cabinet member. And so she put the kibosh on that.

And I think she's really trying to make it clear that Trump and Elon are in step. They are working on the same team because everybody is trying to clearly pit them against each other. All right, let's listen to that audio. Carolyn, I was wondering if, is Elon Musk going to attend the president's first cabinet meeting tomorrow. He is, as a matter of fact.

I spoke to the President about that before coming down here as well. And Elon, considering he is working alongside the President and our Cabinet Secretaries, this entire administration will be in attendance tomorrow just to talk about Doge's efforts and how all of the Cabinet Secretaries are identifying waste, fraud, and abuse at their respective agencies. We look forward to the meeting tomorrow, and I think you'll be hearing from the President and his Cabinet there on campus tomorrow. I hope you guys are excited. I'm kind of excited.

I think that's going to be a lot of fun. Oh, by the way, here's Caroline talking about the new rules for the White House pool. As you all know, for decades, a group of D.C.-based journalists, the White House Correspondents Association, has long dictated which journalists get to ask questions of the President of the United States in these most intimate spaces. Not anymore. I am proud to announce that we are going to give the power back to the people who read your papers, who watch your television shows, and who listen to your radio stations.

Moving forward, the White House press pool will be determined by the White House press team. Legacy outlets who have participated in the press pool for decades will still be allowed to join, fear not. but we will also be offering the privilege to well-deserving outlets who have never been allowed to share in this awesome responsibility. Just like we added a new media seat in this briefing room, legacy media outlets who have been here for years will still participate in the pool, but new voices are going to be welcomed in as well. As part of these changes, we will continue the rotation amongst the five major television networks to ensure the president's remarks are heard far and wide around this world.

We will add additional streaming services which reach different audiences than traditional cable and broadcast. This is the ever-changing landscape of the media in the United States today. We will continue to rotate a print pooler who has the great responsibility of quickly transcribing the president's remarks and disseminating them to the rest of the world. and we will add outlets to the print pool rotation who have long been denied the privilege to partake in this experience but are committed to covering this White House beat. We will continue to rotate a radio pooler and add other radio hosts who have been denied access, especially local radio hosts who serve as the heartbeat of our country.

And we will add additional outlets and reporters who are well suited. All right, we're good, we're good. By the way, Dieter, we could sign you up and you could be a pool reporter. Do I get Kaitlin Collins' seat? Only if I get to take Kaitlin's seat.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You've just got to have ferocious eyebrows. Look at a little woolly.

What do they call them? Those woolly bugs. Yeah. Woolly worms. Yeah.

You know, it's interesting. I had to do pool reporting duty once, and it's a little nerve-wracking because literally you are documenting every single thing that's happening down to the timestamp, and then you have to disseminate all that information to the rest of the press corps.

So that's what that pool report is when only a handful of reporters are able to tag along.

So it's, I mean, I get it. I'm excited about that. But you also need to make sure that you're not sending a talk show host into the pool, right? Because they're going to have to take copious notes and get that intel back. I can take copious notes.

I know you could do that. That's, I'm all over that. I think that would be great. Oh, by the way, Jasmine Crockett has some things to say about Elon Musk, Mr. Dieter.

If you could speak directly to Elon Musk, what would you say? That's it. Wow.

What a class act there. Yeah. What the mouth on that one. Yeah. Really bringing DeKarm to Washington.

Jasmine Crockett, Rhodes College alum. You know, she is... I think secretly she likes Elon. Same with AOC. They're obsessed with him.

He's like, I'm busy. I've already got 14 baby mamas. I can't pick up two more. Stop. He's got a lot of baby mamas.

Yeah. I mean, that's a lot of babies. Have you seen all of them? There's a big photo like of Elon and all the offspring. The family grid tree.

No women were there, though. None of the baby mamas were allowed. I don't know what that's all about, but there are a lot of them. It feels very biblical. He's got like 12 kids or so.

He's got a lot of kids. It's like the tribes of Judah. A lot of kids. The tribes of Elon. I'm just saying.

All right, there you go. Let's go to the phones. Jerry in Iowa. KXEL, our great affiliate out there. Hi, Jerry.

What's going on? No, this is Elon Musk calling Todd, and you're fired.

So how's that for phone trauma? Thank the good Lord. I'm traumatized. I'm never answering the phone again, Jerry. Jerry, I admit it.

But, Todd, you are showing how tough guys can operate answering the phone, and it doesn't have to be that scary. Although, I must say it's a little ironic that you have assigned Gen Zers to answer the phone. I mean, it's not exactly child abuse, but it's young adult abuse, and you are giving them PTSD, by the way.

So that's not why I called. That is a great observation, Jerry. I'm sure HR will be calling me momentarily.

well what happened to jerry i think we we may have lost jerry jerry i'm just a gen zier just dropped jerry for that comment i think so it was a great point though jerry give us a holler back if you can't we may have to put jerry in tomorrow todd you're doing the lord's work though because all of the gen ziers that are afraid to get on the phone and maybe have this phobia phone calls they have to screen all the phones and the listeners of the todd stern show that's true so we're helping people we're helping your therapy that what exposure therapy that's what it is is that what they call it you just gotta do it oh it's sucking up buttercup how about that you want a job answer the phone pick up the phone all right 901-260-5926 our number 901-260-5926 look we've seen the stories right um no doubt about it the lot of conservatives out there you guys have been debanked or your bank just doesn't really care about you. By the way, my bank, and I can't tell you which one it was, I was one of those big bank customers, and they thought I was Mexican.

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Also, we mentioned Nan Zong, who was just on the show, and he's going to join us again. And Congressman Josh Brekeen from Oklahoma, member of the Doge Caucus, also on Homeland Security.

So we've got a jam-packed show coming up for you later on today on Newsmax. You know, Ben, I'm just not understanding these leftists. It just seems to me to go after our sweet mothers and compare the, I mean, they're basically saying our mothers are just like livestock. You got to get the turkey baster and, you know, squirt, squirt. The visual was not helpful, first of all.

No. So I just wonder if like the moms that love their cheese and red wine in Wisconsin are staging protests right now. It's like, I don't think of Wisconsin being, they would totally do this in Los Angeles. They would do this in Manhattan. But Wisconsin?

And it's this old white dude. You know, I expected more from him. He's in his 70s. Yeah. A little weird.

He said, they're taking my comments out of context. No, sir, they're actually not. You're the one who wants to replace mother with inseminated person. I mean, the only people that can be happy here are the Hallmark greeting card people. Yeah, exactly.

they get to rebrand all of their cars i want to say something about this um and i don't mean to paint with a broad brush ben deter but i'm going to uh i will i'm going to go out on a limb here and just say that no southern governor would ever do anything like this i don't care if they're republican i don't care if they're democrat no southern governor would do anything like that to his mother no and i'm going to tell you why why because you would have a mob of southern mamas showing up at the state capitol with cast iron skillets in one hand and a shotgun in the other you don't mess around with mamas not in the south no can you imagine though a boy from the south walking up to their mom and saying that i don't even like to say she'd slap you to next tuesday I'm telling you that's our mamas you don't talk about our mamas like that what's wrong with you exactly love your mamas America love your mamas alright folks it's been a great day tomorrow President Trump meeting with the cabinet Elon's going to be there we'll talk about all of that and a whole heck of a lot more alright folks head over to ToddStearns.com download our podcast download our free newsletter you're going to love it great resources for you Get out there, have a great day, and you be good, America.