It's Not A Hush Money Trial

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But as noted, your calls always at 901-260-5926. Let's start with terminology. Stop saying hush money trial. Just stop it. Stop referring to the travesty that's going on in New York as a hush money trial.

I know that it's easy to use that phrase and differentiate the criminal case in New York from other cases that have been raised around the country. particularly because this case in New York has to do with documents. And if we say the documents trial in New York, then people are thinking, well, wait, I thought that was in DC and Florida.

Okay, I get why some people say hush money. But those who use the phrase hush money more often than not are doing it because they are against President Trump and are trying to fill a narrative.

Now let me explain what I mean by this. Hush money. paying someone to not speak. That is not against the law. and it is done commonly.

Paying someone in a contract to do something or not to do something, that is entirely five hundred percent legal. And as I'll explain in a moment, having your lawyer make the payment is also legal and entirely how it is done. The charge, in other words, the charge is that they have. elevated up to felony status. That's something that's going to be reversible, I would suggest, on appeal to begin with.

But let's just go with the actual charges. They have to do with documents and how payments were listed. Whether they were legal expenses as listed, or whether they should have been listed as something else. That is the thinnest level of criminal allegation. Don't take my word for that.

That's not my interpretation of the facts or the testimony. That's what the charging documents say. The charging documents say That there was fraudulent activity with how this payment was listed in documents. That's it.

So when you say hush money, It sounds bad. Yeah, that's why they want you to think of it as a hush money trial, because it sounds bad. Inadvertently listing something in a document, that's not criminal. And frankly, I think that it was listed accurately, and I'll mention in a moment. But you see the whole point on this is to whip up a narrative That embarrasses Mr.

Trump. that makes him look Weaker in the eyes of some, less appealing in the eyes of some? For example, Stephanie Clifford I believe that's her given name. Her performance name is Stormy Daniels, but I like to use people's real names.

So, in any case, she testifies in this case. Underlie this part, folks. There was no reason to allow her to testify. None whatsoever. She should have been blocked from testifying.

from the start. Why? Because it does not matter. If she and mister Trump had any sort of a romantic relationship, sexual relationship, it does not matter with regard to the facts of this case. What matters in the facts of this case is whether or not the payments that were made were listed.

Accurately And legally. The only reason for having her on the stand to tell a sordid and lurid tale that stretched out over three calendar days, including the Wednesday day off of the trial, the only reason for doing that is to try to make mister Trump look bad, to have the jury think ill of him. That's not part of the charge. If I'm wrong, please correct me. but I don't believe anyone has denied a payment was made.

So, if you're not denying the payment was made, you don't need her to testify about anything. At best, you testify that she received a payment and she acknowledges receiving the payment. Period. This is supposedly a crime of intent. Was there intent to commit fraud?

She has no information on that. All she can do is tell a story that is wildly inconsistent with the story she has told publicly for nearly a decade. That's the whole point of this: whipping up this frenzy.

So that Trump is diminished in the eyes of some. because we are facing a very close election this year and every vote matters. When I was in law school, and it's now been more years ago than I cared to count. You first learned, we first learned this phraseology, and it goes like this: if the facts of the case are with you. Then argue the facts to the court and the jury.

If the law is with you, then argue the law to the judge and the jury. And if neither the facts or the law are with you, then wave your arms and yell like hell. Friends, the prosecution in New York. is waving its arms and forgive me yelling like hell. Because there is no case.

Certainly having. an adult film actor on the stand has no relevance. to the actual charge. And that's why we have to Resist allowing it being called a hush money trial. Hush money is legal.

For example, the whole definition of this is paying someone. to either do something or not do something. To speak or not speak when they had a right to do it.

So, for example, Let's say that you and I enter into an employment agreement. I agree to pay you money and you work for me. That's the exchange. That is what in law is called the bargained for exchange. I mean, I'm not trying to turn this into a law school class, but I think it's pretty easy.

For you to understand these basic concepts so that you can see how damaging this narrative is that they're attempting. Right? Because they're just mushing all of this together. That's not a technical legal phrase, mushing, but you understand it.

So the whole point is, you promise to do something, I'll pay you. All right, this is these agreements, these non-disclosure agreements, they're personal services contracts. Payment is made so that a person doesn't do something or does do something in this case. Don't tell your tale. to the media.

And we will pay you money. Adults exchanging Agreements. That's all that this is. And from a strictly legal perspective, it is nothing more complicated than your average employment agreement. It is also not uncommon for someone in a high-profile position in business and the media.

to get somewhat wild claims made, and you wind up paying it off simply because you don't dare let the story get out, because somebody might believe it, and because it's going to cost you more to defend yourself. Than what's being claimed. We call those nuisance claims often. And as a lawyer, I've been involved in these where you. Say to another party, I have a client who's willing to testify that this happened.

We're willing to file a civil lawsuit. But we will Promise to not file that lawsuit and go away if you pay us a certain sum of money.

Now From the person who feels they are wronged. They win because it's a sure thing, and they don't have to go through the trauma of trial and the time. For the other party Well, in essence it's a sure thing because they preserve reputation. whether or not they have any plans to run for public office. What I'm saying, folks, is this is not uncommon.

And the method by which it was transacted through Mr. Cohen, then a lawyer, again, not uncommon. I'll explain that part of it if you'll be kind enough to stay here while we take this break. 901-260-5926 is how you can join the Coast to Coast Conversation. Election strategist Dr.

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Welcome back to the Liberty University studio. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd on the Todd Starn Show. 901-260-5926 is how you can join the coast-to-coast conversation, and that is the number that Steve used. He's calling in from Arkansas listening on the flagship, the Mighty 990. Steve, thanks for calling the show.

What's on your mind? Yeah. Yeah. was listening to your explanation of the Trump trial there, Jeff, about basically being about fraudulent documentation of his expenses or misclassifying the expense. If we want to use that as grounds for criminal activity, What kind of crimes could we charge Congress with?

Every bill they produce, everything they do up there is fraudulent in that definition. You mean by calling something that is nothing but an infusion of money we don't have into the economy the Inflation Reduction Act, that kind of fraud, Steve? Is that what you mean? That's what I mean. They'll pass a bill that's thousands of pages or a budget that's Thousands of pages, and there may be You can count on your fingers the pages that address the title of the budget.

Everything else is something that doesn't even have anything to do with that.

Well, you know, there is something. There's something related to that that is tied to the Trump claim of immunity, and that is, for example, if you say something, and I don't encourage you to, if you say something in this conversation that is libel or slander against an elected official, well, they might be able to sue you. But if they said it about you on the floor of the House or the Senate, if it is part of the public proceedings, You can't sue them. That doesn't seem fair either, does it?

Well, they live in a completely different world than we do. Everything about their world, their laws, their economics, Nothing in their world we could do in ours.

Well, when you consider and that's an excellent point, Steve, when you consider that virtually every act passed by Congress that puts a burden on a small business owner or on the public, they exempt themselves from it from the start. That certainly seems to be the height of arrogance. What do we do to turn that around in your mind? I don't know if I don't think we can turn it around politically because They've taken our power to do that away. My folly.

corruption, the same thing we've been talking about, the corruptions they've done of our elections. I think it's going to have to crash and be Hopefully we get a chance to build it back. Hopefully. Steve, that's an excellent point. Thanks for listening to the show, and thanks for calling in from Arkansas today, listening on the Mighty 990 in Memphis.

901-260-5926 is how you can join the conversation. And as Steve was discussing in the last segment, I'm talking about the fact that we need to stop calling this a hush money trial because it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with listing expenses on documents. And you're only calling it hush money and having Porn movie actors testify if you're trying to whip up some frenzy. or if you're trying to muddy the waters, if you will.

Here's the other thing about this that I think is really important. They're making a big deal about the fact. That Michael Cohen as the lawyer paid the money. to the Porn Star, and then got reimbursed. That's how it's done, people.

Think of this for a moment. Let's say that you are and I hope you're not. As a lawyer, I hope you never need my services or anyone else's because it just gets complicated. I'm glad we're there to help people who need it. But let's say you sue someone.

And there is a settlement agreed upon to where you're going to get money. Are you going to trust it as a personal check from the person who did you wrong? Or are you only going to trust it if it is a check that comes from the law office where their accounts are monitored by each individual state bar associations? You're not going to take their word for it. You just sued your buddy Fred for something.

Are you going to take Fred's personal check? No. This is how it is done.

So if I'm representing a client. We're not taking a check from the wrongdoer. The wrong doer pays the lawyer On the other side, that lawyer sends me one of their checks, which is guaranteed to have money in the account because of the state rules monitoring these things, and that's how we pass it on to the client. Are there times that the lawyer In this case, Michael Cohen fronts the money and then gets reimbursed? Yes.

That's exactly what happened here. And if you're Mr. Trump and you're writing a big check to a lawyer, what do you list it as? Legal Expenses Period. It makes perfect sense if you live in the real world, but if you're trying to take down a political figure.

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But joining us now on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line is Dr. Louis Perron. Dr. Perron is the political strategist and consultant, and he is the author of a really informative book entitled Beat the Incumbent: Proven Strategies and Tactics to Win Elections. Dr.

Perron, Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd. How are you today? I'm great. A wonderful good morning to America. Good to speak with you, sir.

You are a resident of Switzerland. I believe you're speaking to us from the Philippines today. Your background was in Europe, but you came to this country to study political elections. What drove you to pursue this as your career?

Well, when I was growing up, I always thought that I would be running myself.

Now, unfortunately, I was born in Switzerland, and I say unfortunately, because Swiss politics is really just boring to death, and running in Switzerland is really boring. It may serve the country well, but it was really not so appealing for me.

So, I went to the US and got my master at George Washington University in political management some 20 years ago. And it was actually in DC that I found out that. the role behind the scenes is much more exciting for me and allows me to do what I love and follow my passion, politics, while having an international lifestyle and travel the world.

So off I went. Yeah. I really enjoyed speaking with you on my program in Iowa, and I was thrilled at the opportunity to share your expertise with this national audience. You have written, and again, people may find you at LouisPeron.com, the website. We Americanize it and would say LewisPerron.com, but you folks can figure it out if you do the search.

But this is an interesting election in America for president on so many levels. You have an interesting thought with regard to all of these legal cases being brought against Mr. Trump and how he can turn those to his political advantage. Talk a bit about that, if you would, please. Yes, because while it may take away for him for the campaign trail, I have never really believed in rallies.

I think rallies are expensive and time-consuming, but don't really matter as much. What really matters, of course, nowadays is that elections are won in the media.

So, in that sense, a crisis, a scandal, an allegation is also an opportunity if it's handled well.

So, I think the key here is for somebody like Trump, who's on the fire, is to use the attention of the media to circle back to his main campaign message. And I think in his case, since he's running against the incumbent, the campaign message has to be about the incumbent and actually prosecute the incumbent.

So, instead of talking about an affair from a decade ago, we should be talking about the price of groceries since I left office. how I would handle it, and I think that's actually how he is handling it. And beyond that, I believe you've noted that the sheer number of cases allows him to step away from the minutia of each individual case and say, look, this is a conspiracy against me. They're all in it against me. And he can then sort of kind of brush off any of the specific allegations by saying it's part of an overall scheme.

Do I have that right? Yes, exactly. I think that if you're accused of several different things, then it makes it much easier to sort of treat them all together and dismiss it as politically motivated.

So in the book that you mentioned, I write about Vlodymir Selensky from Ukraine, who is really a masterful politician. And when he ran for president of Ukraine, as the first office he ever ran for, he was a comedian, a TV celebrity. And the first office he ever ran for was the presidency of Ukraine, which is actually quite a big country.

So he was, of course, when he started to rise in the surveys, he was seen as a threat.

So he became the target of attacks.

So what he did was to make it a competition. He asked his Instagram followers to send in the most ridiculous allegations against him, and thereby Really ridiculing the attacks against him and treating them all together and dismissing them as politically motivated. And of course, as a former comedian, he was just really perfectly suited for that approach. And it allowed him not to address the actual allegations thrown at him. Dr.

Louis Perrone is our guest on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line. He's joining us from the Philippines. Beat the Incumbent is the name of the book here on the Todd Starn show. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today. This is a unique election because, yes, there is an incumbent, Mr.

Biden, but you have to say to some degree Mr. Trump is an incumbent as well.

So, as someone who has styled a book called Beat the Incumbent, how do you work that when in reality you sort of have two incumbents, do you not? Yes, and I think for the US, this is a situation that you would know from congressional races when sometimes, because of redistricting, there's an incumbent versus an incumbent. But at the national level, in modern times, this is really uncharted territory. And I still think that as a challenger, you have to make it a referenda on the incumbent. But of course, it helps Trump that people now actually have a pretty good memory about his time in office.

Rightfully so or wrong, it doesn't really matter. I mean, I think the reason why he is doing quite well in the polls now, actually better than ever, is because people remember it well. And I think it's have a good memory of his time in office. And it's actually something I've noticed in my work around the globe that very often people have a positive memory about the past and glory. the past.

It's not really because things were better then, it's just human nature to a certain degree that we think it was better before because that's when we were younger, that's when we were prettier, we were healthier.

So we remember the good things from before and forget the bad things. And I think that's really working at Trump's favor at this point in time. That is a fascinating observation. And I'm going to draw an analogy which is rather awkward. But often, when someone passes away, no matter what kind of a scoundrel they were, people always speak well of them and they remember them fondly, etc.

And it strikes me, it's very similar that in real time you may remember something a certain way, but with the passage of time and what you see every day as perhaps in a political sense not being the kind of economy that you want or policies that you want. it enhances that memory and so Mr. Trump just simply has to bring up a few examples of the past, and in essence we fill in the rest of the blanks, do we not? Yes, absolutely. I think that is to a certain degree human nature.

Now, of course, from the Biden campaign, you don't want this to be a referendum about Biden. You want to make this a binary choice. And in particular, you want to remind people of the bad things during the Trump time that people may have forgotten: the constant turmoil, the chaos, the mismanagement of COVID. And I think that's exactly what the Biden campaign is doing. They want to make this a binary choice where people, especially the undecided, have to choose the lesser evil from their perspective.

And I think that's actually the only way Biden can win. Because if you look at the fundamentals of the race, this is. A very difficult election for Joe Biden. Beat the Incumbent: Proven Strategies and Tactics to Win Elections is the book. Dr.

Louis Perron is the author, and he is our guest on the Todd Starn show, Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd today. That does not help to inspire an electorate, though, does it? Because in essence, you have each candidate saying how bad the other guy is. That doesn't really motivate people in the way that positive aspiration would, does it? Yes, and I think there is still some time left for a positive message.

I mean, I would say until maybe summer, especially if I'm Joe Biden, I would try to sell my record. And if I'm Trump, I would try to lay out a vision for another term. But I think I would say after the conventions, that that window will probably close. And since we have here the very particular situation that there are two candidates that is just really disliked, I mean, In every poll, a majority of voters has a negative opinion about both.

So I think the end of the campaign, the end game, will be just a lot of negative ads and make this a referenda, a choice between the lesser evil. I wrote a piece for Real Clear Politics about the double haters who will decide the election.

So these are the people who exactly have a negative opinion about both of the candidates. And I mean, while there are less swing voters than twenty years ago, they're still the ones who will decide the election. And I read the other day, it's like 6% of the electorate in like a handful of states who will ultimately decide the race. Let me ask you finally, doctor Perron. You've done this now as a professional consultant for nearly two decades.

What is different about what someone like you does now as opposed to twenty years ago, the start of this century? Yes, of course, speed has changed rapidly. I think some of the tools have changed. The media cycle is now nonstop.

So in other words, the tools and the environment in which it takes place has changed enormously. That said, I think the fundamentals of sound Strategy have not changed. You still need discipline, you still need a clear plan to manage the chaos, you need a message and you need a target audience, and you need to have a mix of tools to deliver your message to your audience, and you need to track it.

So and my book is not about the latest buzz, it's about the fundamentals. And I think they're still the same as when I started out, and they will be the same for a long time to come. Dr. Louis Perron is the author of Beat the Incumbent: Proven Strategies and Tactics to Win Elections. Incisive material.

What a great conversation, as always, sir. Thank you for sharing your insight. I appreciate it, especially given the I guess it's a twelve-hour time difference between Eastern time and where you are in the Philippines. Thanks so much for sharing your insight with the audience.

Well, thank you for having me, and I wish you a great day. You as well, sir. Dr. Louis Perron, and he's on the Twitter X machine at Dr underscore Perron, P-E-R-R-O-N. And online, we would Americanize it to LewisPerron.com.

L-O-U-I-S-P-E-R-R-O-N dot com. Beat the incumbent. He joined us on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line from the Philippines, away from his home base in Switzerland on the Todd Starn Show.

Now, what I really find interesting. about what he is putting forth for us. He doesn't have a dog in the fight. In other words, he's not working for either side. This is just someone who advises campaigns, telling us what the landscape looks like.

And the thing that I like about this book: yes, obviously I love politics, and so I love hearing about these campaigns, but this is a really good book for those of you who are not involved in a campaign. But it talks about the tactics that they use to lure you in. This is sort of like the playbook. For a candidate, and so it helps you to watch what to look for and how you can filter through some of the garbage. Beat the incumbent, Dr.

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Mehek Cook, an attorney from Ohio, will talk to us about the Trump legal case next hour as well. And that's how we started the hour was Me suggesting to you that don't fall into the trap of calling it a hush money case. Paying money to someone so that they don't do something like don't talk to the media, that is entirely legal. Having the payment run through a lawyer. is entirely legal.

If you are an individual who pays money to a lawyer, Regardless of whether it's for their services or settlement, that's a legal expense. That's what was listed in the documents. Yeah. Even if the payments were made to people like the woman who calls herself Stormy Daniels. Even if that was made because mister Trump's team did not want it to look bad for an election in twenty sixteen, That doesn't make it an election expense.

and elevating these misdemeanours up to felonies, Because they couldn't get them as misdemeanors because they were time barred. It's just the the best example of the worst abuse of attorneys, and judicial discretion. That's really all there is to it. But we will break it down further in the next hour. One hour down, two to go.

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But joining us now, live on the Patriot mobile newsmaker line, is Phil Kirpin. Mr. Kirpin is president of American Commitment. Phil Kirpin, Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd. How are you, sir?

I'm great, Jeff. How are you? I'm doing quite well. Follow Mr. Kirpin on the Twitter X Machine at Kirpin, K-E-R-P-E-N.

Great posts with a lot of information on a variety of topics. And I wanted to connect with you again here on the national program today because of this net neutrality thing. And this is the sort of policy I suggested last hour, and you tell me if I'm wrong, please. But this is the sort of policy that, on the face of it, might not look bad, and it's just complicated enough that people are going to ignore things. But net neutrality has broad reaching ramifications to actually limit the material people may get.

Is that correct?

Well, I think it may end up having that effect. I don't think its proponents would admit it. But I think any time you invite government into something and you give government more power over private companies, private enterprise, that power can and will be abused. And I think it's hard to It's hard to make sense of why the left has been so obsessed with putting these regulations on Internet providers, despite there never being any problem or issue that would require it, other than that they want to use the power, they want to abuse the power. They want to be able to call up the companies that they have very strict economic regulatory control over and say, hey, you might want to, quote, voluntarily do something about this election denial or COVID denial or climate, whatever disinformation, whatever they're after, having an economic grip over these companies may in fact be used towards controlling the flow.

of content and they deny that but Todd, if that's not what it's about, it's not clear what the heck it is about because their hoax was exposed. Six or seven years ago they said if we deregulate, then you're not going to be able to use the Internet anymore. You're going to get charged for every tweet. People aren't going to be able to get there was one article that actually said people won't be able to access suicide prevention resources and they'll all kill themselves.

So they were literally predicting mass deaths, the end of the Internet, all of this. None of that happened. Zero. Every single negative prediction they made was false. In fact, the only consequences we had of deregulation were positive.

Prices went down a lot and speeds went up a lot. And speeds went up about 500% for wire to about 800% for wireless.

So we're paying less and we're getting more, everything you could ever want from a deregulation. They voted to reverse it anyway.

So it can't be on the economics.

So it must be about something else. You mean capitalism, when allowed to flourish, actually works for the benefit of people, mister Kirpin? It certainly did in this instance. I mean, I think it's one of the things I'm very interested to see if President Trump does win and if he appoints an FCC that repeals this again, will they have the same apocalyptic claims and all of the same crazy over the top rhetoric as last time it was repealed? Or will they be at least a little bit embarrassed How wildly wrong they were, and dial that back a bit.

I don't know. That would be an interesting thing to see. I'm not sure there's much shame on that side of the aisle, especially when it has to do with power. Phil Kirpin is President of American Commitment. They are online at AmericanCommitment.org.

He joins us on the Todd Starn show. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today on this Tuesday. Explain, if you will, in the most basic sense, what the Biden administration's re-imposition of this, what does it exactly mean to the average consumer in terms of either cost or data information based upon past history?

Well, what they've done is they've well, they've done two things. They've brought back the Obama regulation, so they've reclassified Internet service like you get from your phone or your cable company or your wireless provider. They've reclassified it as a regulated public utility, which brings in all of the 1930s era laws for the old Mobel monopoly phone network are now in play. And then they've kind of said, well, but we're not going to use them, or at least not use them right away. And so they've sort of given themselves Economic power to set rates, to determine what kind of services can be offered, to determine commercial terms for business-to-business transactions, for business-to-consumer transactions, for regulating any aspect of how the networks themselves are managed.

Essentially, they've given themselves unlimited power over these companies and then they've kind of said, but we probably won't use it unless we see something that's out of line or that kind of thing.

So when you have The imposition of vast regulatory power over a sector, you get less investment, you get less competition, you get higher prices for the simple reason that these networks cost billions of dollars to build out. And if now your ability to earn a return on that investment depends on the favorable whim of federal bureaucrats, You got to think twice. The break-even point becomes different. There are fewer places where it makes sense. To build out because you're not as sure that you're going to be able to earn a return.

And so when we deregulated, We got a lot more investment, we got a lot lower prices, and we got a lot higher speeds. If we re-regulate, I'm not going to be like the left and say it's going to be the end of the universe and there's going to be a mass death or any of that other stuff because you make over-the-top claims and then you look dumb. But I will say, that with regulations, we're going to pay more and get less relative to what would happen without them. And so I think that's going to be the main impact for most people. And then of course, in addition to bringing back the Obama regulations new under Biden FCC, we now have equity regulation as well.

So now a company can get hammered if they have any pricing policy or build out or any other aspect of the business that has a disparate impact Based on race or sex or any of the other protected characteristics. And I think what that's going to do is it's probably going to mean that discounted plans in lower income areas and special promotional plans and that kind of thing, they're going to be much harder to come by because if any kind of difference in price across areas could be the basis for a discrimination complaint and a crackdown by federal regulators, you're going to tend to see let's just charge everyone the same price, which is going to tend to be a higher price. And so now we've got kind of this double whammy. Of public utility type regulation, of what Obama did being brought back, plus, now we've got this new. digital discrimination equity overlay on top of that.

And what I believe this will mean for most people in the near term is speeds are not going to continue to increase at the rate they had been increasing. And prices will probably they've mostly stopped falling and started rising a little bit already in the last year or so. But I think you could expect prices to rise further with less competition and less investment. Phil Kirpin of American Commitment, American Commitment.org, the website he joins us on the Todd Starn show. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today.

It's one thing, and you might have heard me snicker audibly when you said that the government was going to have all this power, but they said they weren't going to use it.

Well, yeah, these days, we don't believe any of that. And I may have the chronology wrong, so please correct me. But when they first put this in place, During the Obama years, They were again benevolent dictators and saying, well, you know, we're just looking out for the people. But since that time we have all of this evidence Of an administration putting its thumb on the scale, trying to control information, if they even had the reputation as an innocent actor before Phil, I think the record is complete of why the average American ought to be really suspicious of their motives in doing this now, not only because they're so hell-bent on doing it. But because of the fact that Their track record is to twist the arm behind the back of these people they can control.

Why would we think they wouldn't do it in the future? Right. You know, back when Obama originally did this, and Obama did this twice, he did a version of it in his first term, which got struck down in court, and then he did an actually even more draconian version in his second term, which is what Trump repealed. And back then, I said, look, you know, there's no actual problem here. The phone and cable company is not going to block what website you can go to and redirect traffic or any of the stuff that the people on the left were saying would happen without regulation, because if they did that, they would have lost all their customers.

It was a highly competitive market and is a highly competitive market. And the point that I made back then is I said, you know, if you take this highly competitive market situation and you, instead of having each of these companies in charge of their own networks and competing with each other, you say, we're going to have a federal bureaucracy that's in charge of all of it. You actually create the risk of censorship because now the federal bureaucracy are a single point of failure in terms of abusing people's speech rights and leaning on companies that they have economic control over if there's certain content they want suppressed. And I got called a conspiracy theorist, and oh, that would never work. Happen and that's crazy.

And then to your point, that's literally what they did with social media companies during the Biden administration: they called up social media companies and said, you know, delete this post, delete this disinformation, this misinformation, this denialism about COVID and the election and climate change and all of this stuff. And if they have regulatory control over the physical layer, over the phone and cable companies and wireless companies, And those companies all know that your business could be destroyed tomorrow by the regulators and they decide to call you up one day and suggest that you, quote, voluntarily do something about their political opponents. I think they would start blocking websites and censoring stuff. What choice would they really have? And so I think it's a very dangerous path to go down for that reason.

And to your point, why would we discount the risk of this when the very same people just did it in a related context. Noted conspiracy theorist Phil Kirpin joining us from American Commitment. AmericanCommitment.org.

So much good information on this website. There's also a donate button if you're so inclined as well. Mr. Kirpin, I always appreciate the conversation.

So informative. Thanks for taking the time today. Have a great afternoon. My pleasure. Have a good one.

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That's how you can join this coast-to-coast conversation. We've been watching, and I'm sure you've heard about it. In the news that you listen to at the top and bottom of hours on your local station. But this is from Ocala, Florida, this morning. A bus carrying farm workers, and that's in Central Florida, overturned eight dead.

40 others injured.

Now, the bus was transporting 53 farm workers to a watermelon harvest site. In Donellan, Florida, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, the bus struck another vehicle. The bus then appears to have crashed through a fence and ended on its side in a field. And judging from the photos, this was what looks to be like a school bus, painted white, but imagine the structure of a school bus. And if it didn't roll, it was close to it.

And you can tell the structure of those things is not as solid as you would like. And so the integrity of the actual structure itself. Severely compromised.

So, once again, we're watching that news. No word if weather was a factor or not. But again, eight dead, forty others injured, of fifty-three farm workers on a bus being transported to a field where they would be harvesting. Watermelon. That news from Central Florida to day.

901-260-5926 is how you can contact us and continue this conversation. We'll speak with an attorney about the Trump case in New York, which, as I said last hour, don't call it a hush money case. There's nothing wrong with hush money. This is a document and fraud case, and they want you to call it hush money so that you'll think that's the bad part. Because they can't prove the fraud.

At least that's my view. We'll see what Mehek Cook thinks when she joins us just after the bottom of the hour. Coming up in our third hour today, we'll hope you'll stay with us just after the top of the hour. The State Superintendent of Education of Oklahoma, Ryan Walters, will be back. He just sued the Biden administration.

You'll find out why. And yesterday I was listening to, I guess it was hour three of the program when Todd was on location in Georgia for that great WDUN time down there. And he was talking to an individual who was 90 years of age, had just turned 90 not long ago. And I thought, okay, we can match that. Also coming up in our third hour, Iowa U.S.

Senator Charles Grassley, who turns 91 in mid-September, the senior most Senator, in terms of years of service currently in the U.S. Senate, Charles Grassley of Iowa joins us, and that conversation comes up in our three of this program. Going back to the Trump legal case, and it was a point that I was making last hour, and I just for those of you who weren't able to be here, I just want to draw the loop on it. There's a lot being made that mister Trump told mister Cohen to pay the woman whose stage name is Miss Daniels. There's nothing wrong with that.

There's nothing illegal about that. It is a services contract. She would have signed contracts to appear in movies or to act. They pay money. She would act, or whatever it is you do in those films.

This is no different. This is we're going to pay you money. Don't tell whatever story you're claiming happened. Because keep in mind she denied it repeatedly until Just last week, how convenient and coincidental And so they're making a big deal about the fact that Trump knew about these payments. I would kind of hope so.

It's his business expense that we're talking about here. And it doesn't matter. That he knew about the payments. It doesn't matter. That He knew what they were supposedly for.

They're trying to suggest there's some big conspiracy. Not the case. The only thing at issue here is, did they list them as legal expenses, truly believing them to be something else? As I mentioned an hour ago, if you were with us, and I hope that you were. if the lawyer is handling the payment.

and you, the client, reimbursed the lawyer, what else are you going to write on it? I assume Michael Cohen sent the Trump organization or whomever a bill, an itemized statement for services. And if there's litigation, You're paying for time. You're paying for expenses.

Sometimes the expenses involve travel.

Sometimes it has to do with literally, and they hold up cards on an easel or something to show the jury or witness. I mean, you've got to go to the Staples or the Kinkos or wherever you get these things done to print them up. The law firm advances that, the client repays it.

So here's an itemized statement. Time spent, expenses, here's the expense where we advance the money to pay. The woman who I believe her given name is Clifford, Ms. Clifford, the settlement. That's all part of the bill from the lawyer.

Why would you not categorize that as legal expenses? Because if you're going to say that money advanced by the law firm cannot be deducted as a legal expense, you're going to turn the entire country upside down because we do business the way they did business. But that doesn't serve the narrative, does it? More on this when we come back. Mihet Cook.

Attorney from Ohio joins us. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd. So grateful that you're along with us in the Liberty University studio on the Todd Starn Show. Welcome back to the Liberty University studio and the Todd Star and Show, Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today. 901-260-5926 is how you can join the conversation, and we'll take your calls in the next segment.

But joining us now on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line is Mehec Cook. She is an attorney based in Ohio. Ms. Cook, Jeff Stein filling in for Todd. Thanks for being on the program.

How are you? I'm doing well, Jeff. Thank you so much for having me on. I confess to you that I am also a lawyer, and I have spent a lot of time in the program today looking at the state of New York versus Donald Trump and where the thing just doesn't add up. But I'd be interested in hearing what your thoughts are as mister Cohen goes back onto the stand today on this Tuesday.

Well, Jeff, I have to tell you, it doesn't matter if you have a law degree or not today, because when you look at this court case, every single American is probably scratching their head and wondering, where is the crime? You have a serial perjurer, Michael Cohen, who has lied to every branch of government and every single authority. stating that he violated attorney client privilege by tape recording President Trump, but just once, and we're supposed to rely on that, when it was Cohen himself Who put a legal expense that President Trump was supposed to allegedly pay? And I think the bigger issue today is that they have. President Trump locked up into court rather than campaigning over a business expense.

And to date, we have not heard of a crime, if anything. Jeff, I think it's Michael Cohen that's again lying on stand, and this is where the conviction should lie. It should be against Cohen, not against President Trump. I suggested that those who call it a hush money case are simply playing into the narrative of the left because paying someone To do something or not do something. That's just contract law.

This is a documents case. I have a feeling that what they're trying to do by having someone like her stage name is Stormy Daniels on the stand, there was no reason for that testimony whatsoever, other than to play into this narrative to make people think less of the former president. And it has not one bit of difference to make to the actual. legal standards at issue in the case. You nailed it.

I mean, we have to ask, where's that line between political theater and a legal case? And what you have today is truly a business dealing case. And as an attorney, I can tell you, we enter settlement agreements all the time. They are not illegal. You pay a different party that is alleging something right, wrong, doesn't matter.

You have a nondisclosure agreement and you decide not to go to trial. Or in this case, you decide not to go to the media. This happens in the normal, ordinary course of business. This does not allege into a felony, but this is what they're doing. And on top of that, the only reason that Judge Mershon, who is biased and conflicted, because let's remember he has donated twice to Joe Biden, which means he's on Team Biden, and his daughter is now fundraising for top Democrats.

Based on Judge Mershon's rulings. I mean, this is all a conspiracy. It's an election interference conspiracy. But you have a judge that allowed for Stormy Daniels. to share salacious information that was irrelevant.

To a business entry. She had no business being on stand other than. To play a role in discounting President Trump. his reputation, his name and trying to embarrass him. And honestly, Jeff, all of this is backfiring.

You're continuing to see these poll numbers of independents, blacks, Hispanics, that typical base for Democrats that they've taken for granted.

now move towards President Trump. The best I could come up with is that if they wanted to have Ms. Daniels testify, the best she could offer that's relevant to the actual charges is, did you receive a payment? And frankly, I don't know that you need her. To establish that, because I don't think the Trump team has denied there was a payment to that individual.

I mean, it's pretty much that's the whole point of it. Yes, of course there was a payment, because that's what was deducted as a business expense. It just seemed to, in any court I practice in, Uh you'd be really limited in terms of what you could present. You're 100% right. And again, Stormy Daniels is not the bookkeeper.

She's not the one making the entry.

So call in the bookkeeper. Let's talk about the financials. But again, this is a business records case. Let's remember that the Clintons and the DNC pay. paid for legal research.

On this Russian collusion hoax and the steele dossier. They marked this as a legal expense. Fast forward, the FEC got involved, the Elections Commission, and said, you denoted this incorrectly. Clinton campaign, you owe us $8,000. Thank you very much.

Case dismissed. We never had the charade of 17 days. Can you imagine 17 days of Hillary Clinton sitting in a courtroom to testify over a business record? I mean, this is how insane this is. But there is a bigger conspiracy here to prevent President Trump from actually running his campaign.

And I'm saying this over and over again. Even Cohen testifying, this is all going to backfire because the judge has not handled the defendants in an appropriate manner. He's basically told President Trump and his whole campaign team they can't speak about these allegations. But Cohen is on TikTok. He's making hundreds of thousands of dollars, I'm sure, as now he's running for Congress.

I mean, this is truly a soap opera. This is not the legal system, and this isn't a democracy. Christie, as I know it. Nahek Cook, a lawyer from Ohio, joining us on the Todd Starn show. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today.

You know, and I think back to, and again, not to get in the weeds on these things, but let's say that you have an expert witness in a case. Cohen is not legally an expert witness, as we use that term, but if you did have an expert testifying in a personal injury accident or whatever, the first thing the opposition does is say in front of the jury, you're being paid to give this opinion, are you not? Mr. or Ms. Expert to try to discredit it.

All you have to do to Cohen is say You're on TikTok and you're selling t-shirts. I mean, the motivation for his testimony. I mean, there's so much motivation for why he would want to testify against Trump, but the financial motivation alone you would think would discredit anything he says before a fair jury. Maybe that's the key phrase, a fair jury. You're right.

And you have a judge that is biased, and he's going to continue to allow irrelevant testimony to come in. And he's also kind of showed his cards, right? He has placed a gag order on a defendant, a former president from Speaking the truth. That tells you everything we need to know about this judge. He does not want President Trump speaking directly to the American people.

He does not want. President Trump to discredit and discount Michael Cohen, who's a serial liar. He does not want President Trump campaigning. And I think President Trump and his team have been very smart. I'm sure you're seeing this, Jeff.

He has had so many surrogates in that. courtroom and so many surrogates out in the country speaking on his behalf so that people hear the truth directly from people like us. One of the things, too, that has struck me that I have not heard mentioned in the formerly mainstream media is that. The jury in this case, they're not sequestered, meaning they get to go home at night, but does the judge not issue? Before they leave the courtroom for lunch, before they leave the courtroom at the end of the day, a statement called the admonition, where they say, members of the jury, please do not listen to news coverage, please do not watch news coverage, ignore all news coverage of the case.

And because they do that, you have to trust the jury will abide by that admonition, in which case they shouldn't be hearing any of Trump's statements. In which case, what's the harm if he's speaking? What am I missing?

Well, I think this is truly to gag President Trump from speaking directly to the American people and allowing the American people to respond. We know that this is a witch hunt and a two-tiered system of justice. When you have crimes alleged against President Trump, for which they're minor, if anything, it's an alleged business expense. And the jury that's sequestered, they should have been, you're right. But at the end of the day, I have to believe that this jury is seeing and hearing a lot of news in mainstream media in New York.

You can't prevent it. It is everywhere. And there's a lot of lies out there.

So to allow President Trump to go out there and speak the truth is really what this judge is preventing. And by the way, this gag order extends to his campaign team. A lot of his campaign team and legal counsel can't even stand up there unless it's in court and defend President Trump. And that's the sort of thing that, again, this is precedent-setting in so many ways and not in a positive way. Let me ask you finally: all of this, the backfiring, this is where I'm going with this.

This is all backfiring because, again, even the most rabid of Democrats are saying. Why in the world, when you organized four different criminal prosecutions, could you not figure out how to have them happen before the election? I mean, the fact that they did this conspiracy in the time they did showed just an absolute lack of knowledge of how the legal system is supposed to work. You don't just decide to whip all these together at one time. I mean, I think there's a lot of folks on the left who are calling out those who were engaged in this conspiracy because they're failing at it so miserably.

Well, yes, and you have to also look at the legal talent behind this. You have Fannie Willis, who had an alleged affair with her boyfriend, who she hired in the Georgia case. You have the documents case where Jack Smith staged documents and had tampering of documents when it's all about confidential privilege sensitive information. And now we have this case where you have a biased judge, a DA, and the third in the Justice Department that leaves his post in Washington, D.C. under President Biden's administration to come and prosecute this case.

I mean, this has become a mockery of the judicial system. It's a mockery of what lawyers like you and I and hundreds of thousands of others that practice law see. The rule of law is being eviscerated in front of our very eyes, and it is truly appalling that we live in the United States of America, and they, these liberal elitists, think that they can lock up and jail somebody. For no crime at all. Except for being a Republican, that's the crime today.

It's political hatred. And threatening their cushy way of life. And what I really think is tragic is the fact that the American people are going to have a lack of respect for the judicial system. when in reality most of it functions quite well, best in the world. These are the worst examples of atrocities, but I'm afraid it's just going to undermine the average citizen's confidence in the system, and that truly would be tragic for the Republic.

You're right. And I think that we need to get back to law and order and rule of law. And look, just like these liberal leftist elites went after our police and the back the blue movement, our police are making a resurgence because we need them now more than ever. I truly think our rule of law will be reestablished under stronger leadership when President Trump is back in office. This weaponization of the legal system needs to stop.

I don't care if you're a Democrat or a Republican. When I'm an attorney, I am representing you as an individual. And my job and my oath is to ensure that I am looking to make sure that there's elements when I'm Prosecuting, or if there's a crime alleged, and that's it. The minute you let politics infiltrate a courtroom, that's when you have lost. your moral duty, your legal obligation and the American People's Trust.

So well said, Miss Cook. Thanks so much for the excellent analysis and taking the time, we'll talk again soon. Thanks so much, have a good one. You as well. Mahek Cook, attorney in Ohio, speaking on behalf of the Trump team.

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And I'm pleased to speak with him again, Ryan Walters. Mr. Walters is the State Superintendent of Public Instruction for the State of Oklahoma. Mr. Walters, Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd.

Thanks for joining us on the program. How are you, sir? All right, thanks for having me on, Jeff. Yes, sir, I'm doing great. We're fighting back against Joe Biden here in Oklahoma.

We're not going to let him take over our schools with his radical Title IX rewrite there. That's just pure insanity. And so, hey, we're alive and well here in Oklahoma, but let me tell you something, we're not going to bow down to the federal government on something that radical. It's not going to happen here.

Well, and this is what I love, is that you folks are walking the walk, not just talking the talk. There are a lot of folks who are willing to sit on the sidelines and complain about things. You're getting things done. You sued the Biden administration. That's not a small effort.

Tell us what it took to get the backing to do that and what the claims are in this lawsuit about their proposed changes to Title IX.

Well, I appreciate that, Jeff, because you're exactly right. One of the things that we're all about here is I see folks come and speak out against Joe Biden and say they're not for the things, but what are we doing to fight back? And so my team, we immediately we've been working on this for months. What's going to happen when they do this radical rewrite of Title IX with this just woke nonsense?

So we were very clear here. We're the only State Department of Education in the country to sue Joe Biden on Title IX. our agency in the state of Oklahoma, just the Department of Education, we sued Joe Biden. And we said, here's the deal. Number one, You don't have the authority.

To rewrite Title IX up out of the blue.

So, number one, the Federal Department of Education shouldn't exist, to be frank with you, Jeff. It should not exist. But they do not they only have certain authorities been given over to them. They don't have the ability to do that, number one. Number two, they brought their own rulemaking process in the creation of this rule.

Because again, They're sitting here trying to rush this through. They're trying to figure out ways to justify the power they don't have. They didn't even follow their own process. And then number three. Th they cannot change the definition here.

of agenda without pointing to something that gives them the authority to do that. They just can't do that.

So when you take a step back, we knew we were going to sue. We knew we were going to do this instantly. We were the only state to do it. And we heard people go, wow, well, state departments, this is kind of a big lift. And we said, no, we are absolutely game for that.

The second thing we did is I think is is nearly just as important. We already had a legal memo ready, and we told all of our districts, do not comply. We did not want any kind of legal ambiguity out there for our district schools going, well, the Biden administration says this.

Well, there's a lawsuit, so what are we doing in the meantime? But I'll get a legal memo from us saying you do not comply with the Biden administration. That is an order from your State Department. We have state laws, state rules. We have an impending lawsuit, do not comply.

And frankly, the feedback from parents across the state on this. has been tremendous. They have thanked us for fighting Biden, but they've also thanked us so much for saying, hey, not going to happen here. We are not going to be under this type of compliance. from this tyrannical regime.

And so they were very thankful that we right out of the gate were very clear that we're not going to follow. That guidance.

So, what kind of pushback did you get? Because Oklahoma is a state full of good people, just like my home state of Iowa, but we have rural areas and urban areas. And I find that the urban areas are more woke and more blue. And when you try to do something, they're the ones who stand up with the pushback from the teachers' union, etc. Have you had a problem getting your districts to follow your instruction, your direction as the state superintendent?

No, we have not, Jeff. And I will tell you, we've dealt with our woke superintendents over here in our woke districts. I mean, we have really laid down the law. I've been in office. I was voted in about a year ago, a little more than a year ago.

And we came right out of the gates and said, listen, if you're a district that pushes a woke agenda, so you push CRT, you push DEI, these are against state law, state Yeah. You're not going to be an accredited district. You're not going to sit here and create a woke. Factory here in your own school and allow us to continue funding you with state funds, everything else is not going to happen. Number two, we told local administrators: if you're going to continue to break the law and push pornography on kids, things like this, we're going to take your certificate.

So I'm going to tell you, we ran off the biggest superintendent in the state. We had her fired from the biggest district in the state in Tulsa, had her replaced with a lady that's doing a great job over there right now. And so we really have laid down the law of what we're not going to put up with it here in Oklahoma. We run the teachers' unions out of school. We make them disclose their financials.

We make them, we push back on them trying to automatically take money from teachers every month. And so we've really laid down the law in a way that I think it's been very clear.

Now, when we tell you you're not going to do this w woke. gender game, we mean it. And so no, we have had complete compliance here with that. I mean, the Teachers' Union, they try to say that they're not going to no, we should still do it. We follow Joe Biden.

I mean, he's like a king to them.

So they've tried to do that, but we haven't seen a school um district push back on us on that one yet? Ryan Walters is the state superintendent of public instruction in the state of Oklahoma. He joins us on the Patriot Mobile newsmaker line on the Todd Starn show, Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today. Title IX, again, is a piece of legislation. It is a law.

And to the point that you mentioned earlier, this is just another example of the Biden administration saying that just because they say so, they can change something, never mind what the rule of law says or the procedure, as in Congress would need to make the change. This seems to be pretty simple, but also rather arrogant on their part. Yeah, I mean, you know, and this is the thing. You know how you change a law? You change it with another law.

I mean, that's the deal. Title IX, I mean, again, Jeff, I can't remember the last time I had someone. Say, you know, Title IX, there's a major problem with Title IX. I mean, Title IX has been universally accepted. It has protected women's sports, it's protected women where they can feel safe in the bathrooms.

Um you know, just just a lot of clarity and frankly common sense. that these radical left Marxists They want to destroy our society, want to destroy the family, and frankly want to destroy our faith. they decided, hey, and you know it's amazing to me, the radical left, hey, they don't care what the rule of law says. I mean, we've seen that with the way that they riot in the streets, the way that they threaten, the way that they dox, the way that they bully folks. they will do it by any means necessary.

And so, hey, there's been a law that's been widely popular, widely successful, protecting women for decades. Oh, who cares? We'll just rewrite it with a rule. And by the way, threaten the states, Let's be very quick about it. This is a correct.

If you states don't follow this, we'll jerk your federal funding back, number one. Number two, we'll come in and prosecute teachers for using the wrong pronoun. For the kids.

So, this is an absolute threat from the federal government to the state. And there's a reason why we've got that 10th Amendment in the Constitution that says. Powers not given to the federal government are reserved to the states and the people respectfully because The founders knew very well issues like education should not be a control by the federal government. We should have all power returned to the states in education. The President Trump is one hundred percent right, destroy the Department of Education, give power back to the states, and then the states should do what we do here in Oklahoma.

We give the power back to the families. That's really where the power in education should rest. A number of state attorneys general have gotten together in a lawsuit to try to prevent this. As you note, your state, Oklahoma, your office, the only ones where the Education Department filed the action. This new change that's been proposed would go into effect August 1st from a legal standpoint.

I trust the first step is to get an injunction to stop any change from taking place. But you tell me what the legal calendar holds for your litigation. That's exactly right. The first step is you just get an injunction so that you can start school this fall and there's no issue there from federal government trying to put this in place.

So that's your first kind of legal hurdle. And then you go on from there to just try to get the whole thing thrown out. And again, we're attacking them from multiple angles there legally. Um to ensure that again, I I think they've Again, you got kind of the base level, they don't have the authority to do this. Then, secondly, you've got the, well, they don't even have the authority.

By the way, that they broke their own rules to do this.

So they didn't even follow their own process. and the authority they've been given.

So we think we've really got a great case against them here. We think it's a very unique angle we were able to provide to the State Department of Education. Because again, these federal funds flow through our agency.

So again, when they're trying to force something that's blatantly illegal, Through a state like this, we've already got lawsuits in the past that have been filed against the federal government saying that they cannot coerce you in ways that are illegal or against their own rules and regulations.

So we think we've got a great case against them here.

So we do feel like legally we're in a great position. And again, we will not comply no matter what the federal government's going to say on this one.

So we're going to continue to hold firm on that. But we do think legally we've got a great case moving forward. Um against the bottom instruction. Let me ask you finally, because I don't have children, I don't have grandchildren, so I don't know what's going on in public schools, but it seems to me that if you leave it simply to the four walls of a classroom and assume there, that's the only place learning takes place, if you don't include the parents, the family, the church, if they choose to include that, if you don't include that as part of the education, not only is it shallow in terms of what you actually present, but it's actually dangerous to not include the family, but yet there are some in this woke train who believe the school knows best and parents just better get out of their way. And I want to tell you, I think it's incredibly nefarious.

What they want to do, the reason they don't want parents involved, and look, any good teacher, go ask a good teacher, hey, is it helpful for mom and dad and grandma and grandpa to be more involved in what their kids are learning in school? The answer by any good teacher. Absolutely. We want mom and dad to be involved.

So, why does the teachers' union, why the Biden administration fought so hard to keep parents out?

Well, here's why. Because their agenda is very sister. Their agenda is for cultural Marxism to take hold. Their agenda is, so we all know Marx theory there. He wants to disconnect you from your family, from your society, from your values.

And how do you do that?

Well, mom and dad aren't going to allow that to happen.

So you've got to create that distance between them. You've got to create. Kids' distrust of their parents, so now you can indoctrinate them.

Now you can rewrite kind of the way they see the world around them. And that's their ultimate goal here. And by the way, this is absolutely terrible and sick. that they want to do this to kids. But I even want to go a step further.

Let's go ten thousand foot view. This will cause the destruction of our society. The breakdown of the family view looks since 1962 when the Supreme Court wrongly Took God and prayer out of school. we have seen a cultural decline, a cultural rot. that has taken place in this country.

And the Democrat Party The Teachers' Union have accelerated that by driving parents out of their kids' life in any way possible. And one of their best ways of doing that has been through the school system by allowing the Teachers' Union to come in and indoctrinate kids push their parents out, this will lead to a collapse of society. if we do not get this back on track. We have to keep the families intact. I tell my agency every day, everybody works for me, our number one goal is to make sure that families are intact and supported in their kids' education.

Okay, that is what we want to do. Everything we did, how do we get parents more involved? How do we make sure parents see what's going on? How do we provide more transparency for parents? How do we provide more choices for parents?

We want that protect that family unit, keep it together, keep them involved. We know that's not only best for schools, it's also best for society and our country. Ryan Walters, State Superintendent of Public Instruction in the great state of Oklahoma. Keep up the good work, sir, and thank you for the time today. I appreciate you and love love being on the show.

It's a great show.

So thank you very much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Patriot Mobile Newsmaker Line is how we made connection with Ryan Walters, State Superintendent of Public Instruction in Oklahoma. 901-260-5926 is how you can connect with us and be a part of the conversation, which continues from the Liberty University studio in a moment. Jeff Stein in for Todd.

This is the Todd Starn Show. Welcome back to the Liberty University studio and this Tuesday edition of the Todd Starn Show, Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today. He'll be back behind the mic at the home base in Memphis tomorrow. Again, 901-260-5926 to join the conversation. We have time for your calls now and right after the bottom-of-the-hour break.

Joining us at a quarter till the top of the next hour, U.S. Senator Charles Grassley from Iowa to talk about news of the day and a few items that I think you'll find of interest. We'll talk with Senator Grassley in only about 20 minutes. I stopped watching White House news conferences because there's no news that comes out of them. The press secretary, Corinne Jean Pierre, just simply reads for From pre written answers and doesn't deviate from it.

That's actually one of the things that's scariest about what I'm going to tell you here. She was asked if she would comment. About These criminal trials that are being held against President Trump. Could you comment from the White House podium? about these criminal trials.

Now, That's sort of like putting a ball on a tee for a five year old, isn't it? I mean, she if whoever's at that podium, if they have any competency whatsoever. Can smile and talk about the judicial system, and we just want to let the process work, and the American people can make their judgment. I mean, you know, it's the sort of thing, it's damning with faint praise, right? I mean, she could have done that if she had even a modicum of competency.

at her disposal. But as we know she does not. And so she's reading a prepared answer. Flipping in the binder to find the prepared answer if you're asked to comment on these cases against President Trump. Here's what she says.

She says she cannot comment on them on these trials because it's related to the twenty twenty four elections. Back the truck up, Chester. What did she just say? I cannot comment. on this because it's related to the 2024 elections.

Well now wait a minute. I thought these criminal trials had nothing to do with the 2024 election. I thought these criminal trials were the logical outgrowth of holding someone accountable for misdeeds and politics had nothing to do with it. I thought this wasn't some sort of orchestrated scheme designed to keep. One of the leading candidates.

presumptive nominee of one of the two major parties away from the campaign trail. I thought that wasn't at all what it was. Or she said the quiet part out loud. as people are pointing out today. And this is the part where I said, It's amazing.

This was the response. They wrote this down so that if you're asked about Various things. Um well, it's uh related to the elections, I can't comment. Oh my goodness. Just absolutely admitted it.

It'd be one thing if she misspoke and then could walk it back But nope, that's what she was reading from the binder. The binder with answers to all questions in the world. Oh my goodness. I guess it's good that they admit it. We all have figured it out, but it's nice of them to jump on board.

We'll be back after this bottom-of-the-hour break. Before the end of the hour, Senator Charles Grassley, Jeff Stein in for Todd on the Todd Starn Show. Welcome back to the Liberty University studio. Final half hour of the Todd Starn Show for this Tuesday. I'm Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd.

We have some time to take your calls at 901-260-5926. That's 901-260-5926-2526. Hurry, though, because we're going to take a break in a few minutes, so we have plenty of time with U.S. Senator Charles Grassley coming up live at a quarter till the hour. This gives me a chance, though, also to say thanks to the great Todd Starnes team, Lydia handling the calls, Dylan on the board and connecting with me, Grace arranging all of the guests and having everything organized.

It is always a privilege to talk to you folks, but it is even more of a privilege to have such a great team helping out. And I'm going to lean into the microphone because this is sort of a secret part. I'm going to tell you a secret. I love doing this because it's a different type of show than the one I do in Iowa. And so it gives me a chance to do different things, and that's always great fun.

But today. The staff at the four radio stations here at my home base, they all got together for a big staff meeting. And because I was here. I didn't have to go. Yeah.

Not that these meetings aren't wonderful experiences. I mean, work meetings? More of those, please. But I didn't have to do that because I was here with you.

Sometimes things just work for a reason. And if the boss is listening 'cause the meeting got out early, I was just kidding. I'd love to come to as many meetings as possible. 901-260-5926. This is something that I find really fascinating, and I am going to ask Senator Grassley about it in about ten minutes.

Stop giving weapons to Israel because he's afraid they will be used in Rapha.

Well This sounds painfully familiar to me. and inconsistent. What, the Biden administration with an inconsistency? I know, right? Yeah.

When the Biden administration Thawed six billion dollars of Iranian assets for humanitarian aid. And the criticism was They're just going to use that money for arms. No, they won't. It's earmarked for humanitarian aid.

Well, yeah, but they'll just take the money they would have used for humanitarian aid and now use it on weapons. No, they would never do that. They're an honest and honorable people, those Iranians, who held fifty seven members of uh the American delegation hostage for four hundred forty four days back in nineteen seventy nine and beyond. No, no, we can trust these people. That was the Biden administration approach.

Don't blame us for giving them those assets because they're not going to use that for military purposes.

Okay, if the Biden administration was willing to believe the Iranians, I'm sure Prime Minister Netanyahu would have said. You don't want us to use these uh weapons? In Rafa Okay, we won't. We promise.

Well, then the Biden administration says, well, wait a minute. Then you're going to use weaponry from some other place in Raffin. You can't do that, you can't shift it around. The Israelis would say, but we promise. We won't.

Why is it that the Biden administration believed Iran? When it said it wasn't going to shift assets around. But they don't believe Israel They don't believe The staunchest ally we have had in the 76 years of existence of the nation. We won't believe them. But we'll believe the Iranians.

Even when the Iranians came out later and said, we're going to use the money however we bloody well want to. It is maddening to me. To see this administration In the name of the United States of America, Backing the terrorists It's bad enough that in essence we're funding both sides of the war. But it is especially egregious. when in the name of the United States you have our President, our Secretary of State, telling Israel how to respond to a terror attack and a slaughter of innocents.

The arrogance of these people. And doubling down because they're sure they're right about things. When Joe Biden hasn't been right about a foreign policy issue, Perhaps ever, but certainly the last Two and a half decades. It's an embarrassment. But I could handle an embarrassment.

What I can't handle is abandonment. of allies and people who trusted us. And that's what's happening. We would rather, as a nation, believe the Iranians as opposed to the Israelis. That's how bad things have gotten.

We'll take the break now so we can maximize our time with Senator Grassley coming up in about four minutes. I'm Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd. Thanks so much for being along on this edition of the Todd Starn Show. Welcome back to the Liberty University studio and the Todd Starn Show Coast to Coast. Hello, I'm Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd today.

Final segment of this Tuesday program. Todd will be back with you on Newsmax 2 and the Starn Show today at 5 o'clock Eastern, 4 o'clock Central, and of course, behind this microphone from home base in Memphis tomorrow. Joining us now on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line is the senior senator from the state of Iowa, the Honorable Charles Grassley, Senator Grassley. Jeff Stein here for Todd. How are you, sir?

Very good. I'm kind of surprised. Usually, only when I talk to you, I'm talking to Iowans.

Now, I'm talking to people all over the United States, right? You are coast to coast, sir, and it's what you deserve after serving in Congress this long. Tell us about and again, I make reference of your long career in public service because you've seen a lot of things come and grow. You served in the Senate with now President Biden. This routine of we're going to be conditional in weapons to help Israel fight terrorists.

What's your reaction to that? I don't think much of it, but what's the Senator's reaction? Completely contrary to what he has said most of his political career. being supportive of Israel, and particularly on October the 7th, and for a long time afterwards, many, many weeks afterwards. saying we're going to back uh Israel to the hilt.

We got to get rid of Hamas. And that's what Israel is trying to do Yeah. These terrorists that invaded Israel. and we ought to be giving Israel all the help we can because Hamas is a terrorist organization so called by our United States government. And we shouldn't be in any way helping terrorists And by not giving them the tools to win this war President Biden violating a relationship that of several decades With the Israel And he also is uh Not carrying out his promises that he made way back in October, November, December of helping.

Uh Israel. And it's uh It's just a sad commentary that he would take those change of heart Uh for uh terrorists that in indirectly is helping a terrorist organization.

Well, and it's even more egregious to me in that the White House. Called upon Congress to pass these bills to provide, and there was aid to Ukraine and other things. It was all packaged together by the time it came to you folks in the Senate, but they insisted on how this was necessary, did they not? And to then put the brakes on that seems to be flat-out lying to members of the U.S. Senate.

and a violation of the anti-impoundment laws of nineteen seventy four. You know, Nixon, when he was President, Congress would appropriate money and he'd decide not to spend it. Also Congress passed the Anti-Empowerment Act. And uh the President has to speak. Spend the money.

the way Congress indicated and in the amount Congress indicated, and he's violating that law. It seems that this president is doing a lot of things like that. I'm thinking about student loan bailouts, et cetera. This is. Usurping the authority of the Congress with the power of the purse, is it not all of these things we've been discussing?

the same way that Nixon was trying to do it when he was President. And the reason Congress responded and said, we have power of the purse. We tell you to spend money. You don't have the authority to decide what money you're going to spend and not spend. And that's why the Anti Empoundment Act was passed in nineteen seventy four.

In casting the vote you have in favor of some of these bills that would fund things like Ukraine, Israel, et cetera, you've drawn some parallels in history to suggest why it was important for you as a senator to back supporting Ukraine to this level at this point. Remind us of some of the reasons, because, of course, you've seen the things where people say, why are we spending so much darn money? Why are these Republicans voting for some of these bills? You've been very clear about. your rationalizations for the votes, and I'd like you to share those if you would.

Yeah. Uh Ukraine left the Soviet Union. Uh nineteen ninety one They left with the nuclear Uh that they had because they were part of the Russian Empire. Uh Russia, the United States and England that it'd be better if Ukraine gave up its uh nuclear weapons. Ukraine was willing to do that.

In turn, The three countries. signed the Bud Pass Agreement in nineteen ninety three guaranteeing the sovereignty Of uh Ukraine.

Well, Russia violated that sovereignty. And if we're part of an agreement to protect the sovereignty of the country. and we don't help protect it as our money is helping protect it. then we're not we're going to lose credibility.

So that's one reason. Another reason is what Putin is up to as President of Russia. Uh he in two thousand five He gave a speech. saying that the breakup of the Soviet Union Was a politic uh political geopolitical disaster of the twentieth century, the greatest one. And he's going to set out now through previous speeches plus his actions of reestablishing the Russian Empire.

That obviously includes Ukraine. but he's also talking about there's Russian peop speaking people in Latvia that I need to protect. There's Russian people speaking in Boldovia that I need to protect. He's already had some intervention in Georgia, as an example. And uh he's about establishing that Russian Empire.

Well, if he does it in Ukraine, Then does he go into Poland like Poland was part of Russia under the Tsarist Empire? Tsars Russia. Where does it once that kicks in, then it starts involving the United States. and natal. because all thirty one countries are committed to uh pledging There's support for anybody That's invaded.

And not only would it cost ten times more money Told Defend Poland, if he went in there, or Latvia. or any of those countries. we'd not only be spending more American money, but we would be spending American blood as well.

So stopping Putin in Ukraine is very important to protect American and keep our obligations under the Natal Treaty. We've got about four minutes left with Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa. He joins us on the Patriot mobile newsmaker line, Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd on the Todd Starn Show. I want to shift gear, Senator, on a topic that. I don't think gets enough attention nationally, and here's our chance to fix that.

the regular farm bill. And there may be people listening saying, well, who cares? But the fact of the matter is, if you eat, you ought to care about the farm bill, especially since the percentage of money that goes To places other than the farm is so big. What's the problem with getting a farm bill passed?

Well, first of all, everybody listening ought to appreciate the two percent Of the American people in this country that are farmers, feeding the other 98%. They need to be praised every day. and the safety net program that we call the farm bell. is eighty five percent food stamps, only fifteen percent for agriculture, and only a very small percentage of that fifteen percent might end up in a family farmer's Uh Pocket. And uh and it's uh safety net is to protect the farmers against things beyond their control.

uh war in Ukraine. uh natural disasters presidential embargoes. Uh Locks and dams on the Mississippi River. Uh not working. et cetera, et cetera.

That's what the safety neck's all about.

So we pass a farm bill every five years. The last one was in twenty eighteen.

So, a run out in 2023 should have been passed in 2023. It didn't get passed.

So we extended it for a sixth year, or probably be extended for a seventh year, because I don't think we're going to get a five year farm bill through this year. And the reason we aren't going to get it through is The Democrats want to spend more money on food stamps and not put more farm in the farm. Bill, the way it should be. Fifteen percent is not enough. And then and the purpose of that is for the safety net programs that protect farmers.

The 2018 Farm Bill doesn't reflect the inflation in interest rates, diesel fuel. Seed, chemicals, fertilizer that farmers are paying a lot more for. And the safety net program needs to has some holes in it and it needs to be patched. And that's what's keeping a five year farm bill from being negotiated because the Democrats want to spend more money on food stamps instead of helping the family farmer. And again, it's a matter that nobody could expect the prices given the Biden inflation to be the same after a six year period, certainly not in these things like fertilizer, where Ukraine was involved and they were a big supplier of fertilizer, and I've only got about another minute.

Yes. Well, I think the inflation you're talking about, that's Biden inflation, is reflective in the fact that it not only affects farmers' input, and that's why we ought to change the farm bill to reflect that, but it's also for a four family of four in Iowa, about seventy six hundred dollars at additional income.

So Biden is saying inflation is down to about three percent. We're making real progress on it. You can get inflation down to zero, but you still got this seventy six hundred dollars that people are going to be paying for their goods and services the rest of their life. It's burnt into it.

So you can get inflation down to zero, but you still got Biden inflation that's going to be reflected for decades into the future. because otherwise, you'd have to have negative inflation to get us back before Biden took office, and that's never happened. U. S. Senator Charles Grassley from the great state of Iowa, my neighbor down the road, thanks so much for taking the time, sir.

I appreciate it. We'll talk again soon. God bless you. Goodbye. Senator Grassley joined us on the Patriot Mobile newsmaker line.

Tony in North Carolina, sorry, didn't have time for you. Please call Todd tomorrow. And that's a way of reminding you that Mr. Starnes is back tomorrow behind the microphone. Today on Newsmax 2 at 5 Eastern, tomorrow back here.

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