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What is Ramadan and Why Should Christians Care

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May 21, 2020 3:13 pm

What is Ramadan and Why Should Christians Care

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May 21, 2020 3:13 pm

What is Ramadan and Why Should Christians Care

Today we are joined by Dr. Ant Greenham Associate Professor of Missions and Islamic Studies at SEBTS.   We are talking about Ramadan what it is and why it is observed.   As we dive deeper we ask the question why should we care about Ramadan and can we learn from it?

 

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Now here's your host at Southeastern Baptist theological seminary so I will introduce our guests and we talked about this subject before, but today going a little bit more specific. When we asked the question what is Ramadan and why should Christians care. This is from a international mission board piece that was founded on line.

They put out a couple years ago just generally what is it about this.

What is Ramadan will get into that and that will unpack some Islamic theology and then we'll talk about the interestingly enough, will land on is anything that we can learn as Christ followers from Ramadan. From what people are doing in Islam and around the world and it's happening right now is matter fact started in April.

Almost conclude, I think May 23, so this is from this article. Imagine not taking in food or drink during daylight hours for 28 days straight envision what it would be like for that practice to be directly linked to your standing in society or your stature with God.

This is the reality of Muslims during the month of Ramadan, a time when every follower of Islam is encouraged in some cases cases required to spend a month exercising many forms of self-restraint seeking to be aware of a law and thinking about how they should best worship him, so there's a lot here to unpack and one of the things that we get to do every once in a while here on the show special theology. Thursdays is learn about other world religions, especially Islam, which is right up there with Christianity in terms of its penetration around the world. Obviously it's been involved in a lot of political things we dealt with the violence of of Islam. The theology of Islam itself. But today dripped drilling down a bit more into Ramadan so our good friend Dr. Anna Greenham is back in the house today associate Prof. of missions and Islamic studies spent time as a diplomat and Jordan himself so originally from South Africa and Dr. Greenham. Great to see you welcome back our show much love to be here. It's great to have you and when did you first start really studying Islam wasn't before you went to Jordan and served as a diplomat because you're in that environment can have to learn about well, it came across very strongly when I was initially over truths. By the time before I was in Jordan and we had a Palestinian friend who lived in because we spent some time with his family. It was quite a devout Muslim, so awareness of the strong short of the and then of course you ended up as the central part of your studies as you live subsidy.

So I focused on this trauma particular missions to Muslims and on my dissertation was and why Palestinian Muslims become believers in Christ.

Yet, which estimates anything that flicked on during Ramadan that will talk about with respect to missions and especially evangelism but help us understand just what Ramadan is anyway one of the first questions I had which you've addressed in your email to me like I thought the last time I noticed Ramadan was in the fall. Yet here we are in the spring, but what is Ramadan just generally in the woods will get into the specific sensitive cleavage. Two things I want to touch on their first three Islam has five does these all basics all stomach behavior which comes off strong.

Go on doing aspect of the strong then the believing aspect of Islam. If you if you follow watch Muslims to focus on that concerned about what you may or may not actually believe in shot the five photos very briefly confession of faith that a baby is no God but Gautama home. It is as the prophet of God in prayer five times a day. Almsgiving flossing during the month of Ramadan with you to discuss things going on program into a hunch once in your life, if you compose be afforded those of the five photos so John is a pattern of Islam really important and essentially it's costing them during the daylight hours were a whole month XP little bit longer than the article you sauntered. It's typically 29 or 30 days and so all work makes a difference. The differences moon cruise Muslims fought a Luna Canada where we fought over so the condo was the way things get interesting because wave at the sun works we have 365 1/4 days on the sun and the euro but a lunar month is August 29 or 30 days depending on when the new moon comes wrong and you and you sauntered if you count all the Luna mom soon as you are you going to be around 354 you'd be at 11 days shorts of all 365 day calendar your so because they don't make any correction for the difference between the Luna Masonic calendar Muslim euros being little bit shorter over time. They tend to actually have a shoulder. So that means if you only counting 354 days your next same season. The next year going to start about 11 days of vessel every did they only do it once a solar year is so they beat be between 12 months and in the potato lunar months right totaling three privileges why when we look at it.

I asked the question why does it move for them. It's perfectly consistent for us that sex is off, but actually over a period of 50. I will go rock on the calendar like a leap year, when you have a federally putting a very old man freaks on poker boasted he's been on the cut end of retires writings that makes perfect sense now that you mention it, you would not normally think like that. So when did Ramadan come into existence for as long as the great Christian men look to the northward to hinge on how Islam started and is been a fair amount of controversy on this tradition, the Scotus said that we can be pretty short about the Islamic story of how I started there was paganism in the Arabian Peninsula and Mohammed Rocha monotheism into the situation. The real situation seems to be a lot more complex than that and so most of the party be upset with me, even suggesting this, but the evidence does suggest that there was a strong Christian/Jewish community in the Arabian Peninsula and possibly be talking about is it Islam originated further to the north of the Arabian Peninsula than associate to be which of course is the area of Mecca got Retin-A to Medina when you mentioned making the pilgrimage to the hodge that's going to make absolutely absolutely so very likely. Islam emerges from a Jewish Christian situation in the Christian situation was probably involving a fair amount of heterodox theology.

People who didn't really put Jesus Christ in the place with the Bible places from having some thought thought you be ready because I've heard in the Bessemer coming up on a break effort in the past that Mohammed's mother might've been heavily influenced by that kind of Christian Judeo-Christian background and then it is a homogeny of everything that goes into his lumber talking about Ramadan today because were in the month of Ramadan for Muslims around the world talking to Dr. Anna Greenham today I theology Thursday. This is Steve Noble. Steve Noblesville will be right back after this Steve Noble to Steve Noblesville does Steve Noblesville.com is website is always find it on any podcast platform out there, as well as our regular and Facebook to were doing Facebook live just about all the time for the radio show we been doing that since actually every first Facebook like guest here in the studio.

I was several years ago, is none other than n-gram lots and ever since that day we been trying to do Facebook live along the way so we have a during the radio show the bulk of the content. The main focus of the show occurs in between the commercial breaks during the actual content of the children Facebook live. We tend to take advantage of that extra 13, 14, 15 minutes that we have between 4 and 5 PM Eastern. When commercials are running to go a little bit deeper into the subject, or to take a little bit of a side aside trip, usually coming out of that subjects are like that that's what we were just doing on the commercial breaks up you want to know what Dr. and Greenham and I were just talking about for five minutes while Juergen have to go to Facebook to do that. But the great thing about Facebook live is as soon as were done at the end of the show. We always pray together at the end of the show, which doesn't happen on the radio that only happens on Facebook live, then it stays there. So Facebook live essentially becomes a video podcast if you want kind of that more in-depth or some of that sidebar conversation Facebook lives the way to do it.

That does Steve Noble shows all you need to do on Facebook makes it easy theology Thursday with our friends at Southeastern Dr. Greenham is the associate professor missions and Islamic studies.

You'll recognize quickly, doesn't exactly have an American accent or even a southern accent. He's cut a South African accent but also spent time in Israel as well as Jordan and then this is really kind a part of the epicenter of his ministry in dealing with missions and evangelism to the Muslim population.

So today is were in the middle of her coming up towards the end of Ramadan. What a great opportunity and thank you so much for suggesting this is all fascinating but we're talking kind of the history of of Ramadan itself.

We started off at the five pillars prayer Ramadan, which is the fasting portion confession. There is only one God and we talk about all on that alms giving to the poor and the pilgrimage to hodge, but then I asked that question about when Ramadan started what was kind of the impetus I guess that the year that it started isn't quite as important as why do it if she is always pointing out that Islam was certainly sauntered in a context of missions and choose and of course you choose a very focused on fostering particularly young Capote Bay retirement, which we have an ludicrous 16 and other places and so what happens is if you looking at Islam.

It seems that in many ways Islam is trying to do one better than Judaism.

We are patient and the followers of Moses here is another another prophet like Moses the claim.

For example, that the prophets will come off the Moses to be read in Deuteronomy Muslims claimant that is Mohammed which courses simply untenable.

If you are looking at the New Testament know yes Haakon solicit will see you in assaying and will raise you one with Ramadan, but he is a Jewish as context where Jews of fostering and would seem that that is what's became the impetus for Ramadan and what changes not just one day you a whole month, but only for part of the month because I fostering the title dollars so holding a month from before report before they got control off to sunset throughout the month to get somewhere between 29 and 30 days is a rate depending on the cellular monitoring rate is so what one of the kind of the goals of the aspects of what happens during Ramadan and then then it like in this article from the international mission board, they can amazingly well yeah there's some pressure there, but not a whole lot of pressure, but it seems based on something you said off the air that there actually is quite a bit of cultural pressure within Islam to take part in. Oh, believe me, there is great pressure and essentially it's abstinence, abstinence from anything to drink anything to each anything that you would enjoy it like sexual relations with your wife.

Certainly if you're a smoker smoking would be a no-no dream Adina dollars Ramadan or that website is just during the daylight hours during the evening. This is a time for making up huge thing, and why Lori would you go so far as they revelry is like a I'm I've been we say that in our context.

I'm starving. I didn't eat all day then you get home and you go totally 100% of light if we have time to give you a couple of my experiences from Ramadan and Jordan got so feel free. I love to hear the associate here. You and the Hashemite kingdom of children and Muslim majority country will quit over 95% of the people they almost from and they will or false, you will be in serious trouble if you try to each in public during Ramadan is what happened. Once my son was a little bit behind us teenagers often all you had a sports events in the afternoon. He didn't have time to eat lunch, but he took lunch to eat with him in the call that would be no problem except for the fact that it was Ramadan.

How does he eat in the call of who W obviously visible to anybody else to make himself invisible report for lunch on the floorboard bent over double and a talk that so anybody watching us would think it was alone in the car. We went our son was bent over double dating is lunch on our way to the sporting event that he had in the afternoon.

The suit is to illustrate the importance of not being seen eating yes what I know you weren't Muslims. Obviously, but that was what value I you do or not to eat in public and Ramadan and then of course I talk about smoking. If you have a nicotine addiction is going to be pretty tough on you by the end of the day you we were in the embassy and or embassies, have guards assigned to us and I remember very distinctly emerging from the embassy one evening. It was in the winter so Ramadan daylight hours were not shorter than they would be in the summer is a God, you got the cigarette in his mouth is. Got the lotto waiting and as soon as you hear the words allow ball reviewed auto cigarette like set up. You pretty serious when their suffering in the day.

Don't so let's talk about what they're trying to accomplish with the Muslim trying to accomplish this. The theory behind it is a very good one. Essentially you abstain you to exercise some self-discipline. It's a great time to remember that there are a lot of folks who are disadvantaged to a much worse off than you all. I did leave the amount of money you save on the food that you would've eaten and Ramadan can be donated to the poor service and encouragement to good works, or so you have a lot more social activity during the evening hours.

People will gather in the mosques for social social times and in the homes is a meal they courted. If tau naturally means breakfast when the Foss is broken at the end of the day they would have this meal so it's a time for the community to get together and build community or subatomic fundraising and versus Pepsi the time I can talk about the effect of a covert non-Dell was going to say because there's a lot of aspects of it that all I'm sitting there thinking because were in the Cove. In 19 context of it it it kind of in an amusing way because going all denial of all these different things you can't do this and think about the'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE OTHER STAY-AT-HOME ORDER BUT YEAH NOW THEY'RE ESPECIALLY. I WOULD IMAGINE IS NOT AS MUCH OF A BIG DEAL AND IT MUSLIM BASED COUNTRY. THEY'RE NOT GONNA AND I CAN A SET ISLAM ASIDE IN ORDER FOR MEDICAL SCIENCE BUT IN AMERICA BELIEVE IT OR NOT THEY FELT 1/2 SAUDI ARABIA'S MARKS OR CLOSE WOW THIS IS AMAZING THAT IT IS THAT YOU THAT'S FASTING BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEY WILL HAVE AND I WERE TALKING TO DR. ANCHORING TODAY ON THEOLOGY THURSDAY. THIS IS STEVE NO MORE AFRICANS TO BREAK OR TALK ABOUT RAMADAN JUST LEARNING ABOUT RAMADAN ITSELF AND THEN WHAT CAN WE LEARN ABOUT IT. WHY SHOULD WE CARE ABOUT. HOPEFULLY AT THIS POINT ERNIE PICKING UP ON SOME THINGS GOING.

YOU KNOW WHAT I COULD PROBABLY USE A LITTLE THAT MY ONLY AS A CHRISTIAN FOR THEIR NEXT ATTACK.

WILL BE RIGHT BACK IN THE MAGAZINE THE NO-SHOW THEOLOGY THURSDAY WITH THEIR FRIENDS IN SOUTHINGTON THAT SEMINARY.

OF COURSE I NEITHER MYSELF NOR MY GUEST TODAY, DR. AND GREENWOOD TO PRESENT FOR US AS CHRISTIANS WERE NOT TAKING PART IN RAMADAN. OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS ABOUT RAMADAN THAT I THINK WE CAN DRAW OUT AND APPLY TO OUR OWN LIVES AS CHRIST FOLLOWERS BECAUSE WHAT WILL TALK TO THAT THAT THERE'S A LOT THERE GOING ON THAT I THINK WE CAN DEFTLY COME TO TAKE WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO WHAT HE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND THEN ASK OURSELVES THE SAME QUESTION. WE CAN A DEDICATION TO WE HAVE TO PRAYER AND FASTING TO HELPING THOSE LESS FORTUNATE THAN OURSELVES.

BUT TODAY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND RAMADAN BECAUSE IT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW AROUND THE WORLD AND ISLAM IS A BIG BIG DEAL. WE ARE TALKING WITH DR. GREENHAM EARLIER IN ST. OTHERS SO MUCH PRESSURE TO BE A PART OF ISLAM FOR MUSLIM.

IT'S NOT LIKE I THINK I THINK FOR US, I WOULD.

I WOULD LIKEN IT TO. IT'S NOT LIKE LENT. MOST OF US ARE AWARE OF LENT CATHOLIC CHURCH FOLLOWS LENT MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY THAN THE PROTESTANT CHURCH WE COME TO KNOW IT'S THERE. IF YOU DON'T OBSERVE LENT DON'T GET THE ASH IF YOU DON'T GIVE SOMETHING UP FOR LENT. NOBODY'S REALLY PAYING ATTENTION SO THAT BIG A DEAL WITH SOME PEOPLE. WE LOOK AT THEM. OKAY FINE ABOUT THE CATHOLIC WHATEVER BUT IN ISLAM. RAMADAN IS A HUGE DEAL IF YOU YOU YOU FOUGHT OVER FOSS WITH GREAT SEVERITY.

I WAS SAYING TO THE ELEMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY WHICH WHICH IS STRONG FISHY IN THE EVENINGS WHEN THEY BREAK THE FAST GET TOGETHER AND THIS IS A TIME ACTUALLY OF FUNDRAISING I'M ON A WAITING LIST OF THE COUNCIL OF AMERICAN ISLAMIC RELATIONS THERE. YEAH YES PRETTY STRIDENT ORGANIZATION WHY THEY THEY ROCKED TO ME AS IF I'M A MUSLIM AND THAT'S OKAY.

I LIKE TO BE THERE SO I CAN BE KEPT.

TERESA WAS GOING ON. YES, BUT ONE THING THEY ALL PUSHING PUSHING PUSHING THROUGH THE HOME OF THE RAMADAN IS GIVE ME MONEY GIVE ME MONEY THAT ROTUNDA IS NOT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT FOR MANY MUSLIMS. THEY WILL GIVE MONEY WHEN THEY WITH OTHERS IN COMMUNITY IN THE MOSQUES AND THEY ALL BE THEY'LL BE ENCOURAGED TO GIVE MORE THEY SEE OTHER PEOPLE PUTTING MONEY IN YOUR FOOD INTO THE COFFERS. WELL I SHOULD PROBABLY DO THIS AS WELL, BUT IF YOU NOT THERE, WHICH IS THE CASE OF COBIT 19 THEN INCENTIVE TO BE VERY FREE WITH YOUR WATER IS GOING TO BE DIMINISHED, AND SO FUNDS DROP DRASTICALLY EFFECT IN PARTS OF EUROPE IS EVEN BEING A COUPLE OF CASES WHERE MOSQUES HAVE BEEN APPEALING TO THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS HELP THEM STAY AFLOAT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY, RAMADAN IS OF THE MONTH OF THE NEGATIVE NEGATIVE MAKE MAKE THEIR MONEY, MAKE OR BREAK YOUR BUDGET AND LIVE BLACK FRIDAY YES YEAH I THINK THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. YES, IT IS NOW THE PEOPLE ON. THEY AREN'T GIVING. OF COURSE YOU CAN TALK TO PEOPLE GIVING ONLINE BUT LONELY PEOPLE INITIALLY AND MORE TRADITIONAL SOCIETY, THEY AREN'T ONLINE THEY TRADITIONALLY GIVE WHEN THEY WITH THE COMMUNITY YEAH BUT WITH A COMMUNITY HANG AROUND TONS OF DROPPED SO IT'S BEEN A BIG BLOW FOR THEM IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY AND ALSO FUNDRAISING KNOW WHAT'S WHAT'S BEEN THE RESPONSE, ESPECIALLY IN AND MORE MUSLIM DRIVEN COMMUNITIES IN COUNTRIES LIKE JORDAN AND SAUDI ARABIA WHAT'S BEEN THE RESPONSE TO THEM LITERALLY SHUTTING DOWN THE MAIN MONUMENT THERE IN MECCA AND MOSQUES IN ALL HIS PLEADING. THERE'S BEEN RESISTANCE BUT YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE AUTHORITARIAN SOCIETIES AND SO ESSENTIALLY THE AUTHORITIES TRULY WANT TO DO.

YOU BETTER DO IT FOR US YOU IN TROUBLE AS A QUICK ASIDE TO REJECT TO BE INFORMAL PUSHBACK FROM THE ORTHODOX JEWISH COMMUNITY WITH ALL YOUR RESTRICTIONS. YEAH, I GET JCA WHICH IS JEWISH TELEGRAPH AGENCY NEWS EVERY DAY, AND IT'S INTERESTING TO READ.

TIME AND AGAIN IS SYNAGOGUE DOING SOMETHING WITH SOCIAL DISTANCING. IN THEORY BUT IN PRACTICE THAT'S COST OF THE WINDS AND A GOOD VERY." YEAH, WELL THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT CONTEXT OF THAT AUTHORITARIANISM FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN AMERICA, MYSELF INCLUDED, IS BEEN A CONCERN IS ON THE COVE IN 19 DEVELOPMENTS.

HERE IS THE GOVERNMENT AND I THINK GENERALLY WERE WILLING TO GO ALONG AND LET'S CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER AND LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER AND SEE WHAT THIS THING IS. BUT AFTER A WHILE THERE'S A LINE IN THE SAND AND PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BALANCE.

THE SAFETY OF LIBERTY COMES IN THAT CONVERSATION DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A MUSLIM CONTACT. ONE THING SURPRISED ME AS OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA WAS FAIRLY QUICK TO OPEN AND THEM THE MOSQUES AND GIORGIO DECIDED IT WAS TOO EARLY TO OPEN, BUT I ACTUALLY TOLD THE PEOPLE STAY AWAY EVEN IN THE MONTH OF RAMADAN WERE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH ASPECT SO THERE IT SO THEY'RE DOING THE FASTING EVERY DAY IN THE EVENING WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN. THEY DO IF TIRE WITCHES IS VERY COMMUNAL, WHICH AT THE WE CAN ALL TAKE A LESSON FROM THAT OF OTHER TRYING TO DRAW IS IS THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL OF RAMADAN, JUST TRY TO GET CLOSER TO GOD. ABSOLUTELY SOBER ONE TO QUESTION THE QUESTION IS OFTEN SAID WHAT CAN I DO TO GET RID OF MY SIN AND FOSTERING IS THE BEST WAY OF DEALING WITH.

SO IF YOU FOSS THEN OVERSEES YOU COMMITTED WILL BE HOPEFULLY WIPED AWAY EXECUTIVE WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'LL CALL IT THE SALVIFIC YELLOW URINE IS A VERY IMPORTANT WHICH IS WHICH IS THIS IS THE DANGER ISLAM AND THIS IS WHY FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO MARKET THEMSELVES BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY GUARANTEED ROAD TO PARADISE REGARDING YOURSELF, RATHER THAN THAT, WHAT'S THE DEAL YOU YOU YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT CAUSED HIM TO DO BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW GOD. GOD IS UNKNOWABLE AND SO, ALTHOUGH THEY'VE USED THESE INDICATIONS YOU DONE WHICH YOU CAN'T TELL GOD WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, A SPOT OF ORDER WAVE IS TO KEEP THE FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM.

YOU MAY GO THE WRONG WAY. SO DO YOUR BEST. MOST PEOPLE JUST DO THEIR BEST IN EVEN ATTACKED YET BUT SOME IS USAGE SUGGESTED TO GO SO FAR AS TO OXIDIZE COUNTRY HEART WHILE I'M IN. I MET SOME YOUNG IS MUSLIM GUYS.

WHEN I WAS DOING SO, A COUPLE OF TRIPS MISSION TRIP A MISSION TRIP TO NORTHERN IRAQ AND IN TALKING TO THEM AND JUST ASKING SO IT'S KINDA LIKE EVANGELISM EXPLOSION. IF YOU DIED TODAY. WE THINK YOU GO IN A COUPLE OF THESE YOUNG GUYS WERE ALL I DEFTLY GO TO HELL. OH REALLY WHY I DID A TERRIBLE MUSLIM ONLY ME BUT ALAS I DON'T FAST AND THEY'RE GOING TO MECCA TO SO STILL ULTIMATELY WHY BOTHER WITH PINOTS, WESTERN THERE YOU COULD GET WAYS THAT YES, I WOULD'VE GOES IN A GOOD MOOD RIGHT OUT OF ORDER THAT IT MIGHT BE OKAY. YOU MIGHT BE ALL RIGHT. WHO KNOWS, THIS IS DIANA GUIDED US RELUCTANTLY BUT I WITH GOD IS UNKNOWABLE. HE'S UNKNOWABLE. THIS SO DO YOU FIND A LITTLE OFF TRACK.

YOUR BUTT WILL COME BACK TO DO YOU FIND THAT FROM YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT MOST MUSLIMS WORLDWIDE KINDA HOPELESS OR GIVE UP ON IT OR IS THERE SO MUCH SOCIETAL PRESSURE. THEY JUST CONTINUED TO PLAY THE GAME. IF I CAN USE IT EMOTIONAL. BUSH WAS A NOTICE DO WHAT THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THEY BEEN BROUGHT UP IN A QUEST TO UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT COMMUNITY IS FOR THE MUSLIM AND WHAT DO I DO WANT TO TALK A BIT ABOUT CHRIS ARE PURCHASE CHRISTIANS TOWARDS MUSLIM THAN THIS SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE FRONT AND SENT IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNITY AND SO FOSTERING IS A COMMUNAL THING THAT'S WAS JUST INDICATING RODEO THAT TO EAT IN PUBLIC DURING RAMADAN WILL BE A BIG NONE OF HIS HUGE COMMUNAL PRESSURE NOT TO DO THAT.

SO YOU WILL DO THESE THINGS BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY AROUND YOU IS DOING THAT, BUT THE EV IDEA WELL IF I DIDN'T WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHO KNOWS.

AND SO AND CHARLA IS IN THE WILL OF GOD. ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT THAT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY RIGHT IS SO LOUD ABSOLUTE IS THE WILL OF GOD. THIS IS KIND OF YOU THROWING YOUR HANDS THIS YEAR'S AND YOU KNOW THIS IS AN ELEMENT MEETING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING A CHRISTIAN OR CAN LEARN ABOUT AND CHARLA. TYPICALLY, IT TENDS TO BE A COPOUT AT THE SAME TIME WE NEED TO SIT BACK AND REALIZE ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS BECAUSE OF GOD'S WILL. HOW MANY OF US WERE EXPECTING TO DO, OR SOCIAL THINGS IN THE MONTHS OF MARCH APRIL MAY THIS YEAR. YEAH, HOW MANY OF US HAD GOD WILLING, WHEN WE SAID THAT KAYLEE GOD WAS NOT WILLING WITH ALL RESPECT, THAT'S RIGHT.

AND I CAN WAKE UP COOL RESPECT. I YELLED LIVING FOR US QUESTIONS THESE TO BE SIGNAL OFTEN. IT IS BIBLICAL NOW ABSOLUTELY I DIED. I DON'T KNOW WHEN I EXPERIENCE THAT MYSELF SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

I THINK I MIGHT'VE BEEN TEACHING TO THE BOOK OF JAMES. THIS IS LA WILL WILL WILL GO TO THIS PLACE AND THAT PLACE WILL MAKE A FEW BUCKS. JAMES WAS KNOWN IN GOD WILLING THIS BECAUSE YOU JUST AS YOU ARE NOT GUARANTEED TOMORROW. NOBODY KNOWS HOW MANY DAYS ARE TO LIVE, YOU DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT STUFF. SO THERE SHOULD BE THAT ASCENDANCY INTELLECTUAL, EMOTIONAL, THEOLOGICAL, AND OTHERWISE TO THE WILL OF GOD IN AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE AS ESPECIALLY AS WESTERN CHRISTIANS JUST DON'T THINK LIKE THAT. YOU ALWAYS ASSUME TOMORROW. SO WHAT WAS FROM OSIRIS. WHAT THEY MEAN BY A SHOT OF GIVING GREAT OR IN RESPECT TO GOD AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT REALLY EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON HIM. WE CAN LEARN FROM IT. YES, UNFORTUNATELY, IN PRACTICE IT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, TENDS TO BE A COPOUT YOU WHATEVER. IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING YOU SAY, GOD WILLING. ANOTHER WITHOUT THIS GOD SPECIFICALLY INTERVENES NOTHING TO HAPPEN, THEN SAY THAT YEAH YOU SEE IMPLICATION JUST YET IS WHAT YOU SAY AND THERE'S WHAT IT'S MEANT THAT'S THE WAY IF YOU BEING HARASSED BY SOMEBODY IN THE MARKET IN THE MIDDLE EAST. ONE OF THE GREAT WAYS TO AVOID BUYING SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY. AS YOU SAY BOOK AND CHARLA MOM COULD WHICH MEANS TOMORROW, GOD WILLING.

MAYBE NOT IN THE HANDS OF GOD RIGHT YOU LOOK AT PAGE ALL US COLLEGE OTHERS HAVE TO SAY AND CHARLA THE PRESSURES OFF WALK-ON THAT'S HILARIOUS TO THINK WHEN THAT COMES FROM SOMEBODY THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT A MUSLIM TODAY IS GONNA SMILE AT YOU ARE WHAT HOW THEY REACTED WELL YOU APPROACH GOD'S NAME INTO IT SO THEY THEY HAVE TO RESPOND IN KIND LIKE TO KEEP INCREASING USE SALAAM WOODLAKE THEY HAVE TO SAY, WHAT A COMMOTION ON PEACE BE UPON YOU AS A RESPONSE TALK TO THE TRADITIONAL SHOT OF MOUNT SINAI IN EGYPT BACK IN THE 1990S AND THE TAXI DRIVER DIDN'T WANT US TO DO THIS, BUT UNTIL THEN WE WERE GOING TO THE REAL GONE FIVE HOURS DOING THAT SPOT HE WAS HOPPING MAD WHEN WE CAME BACK TO FISHING US INTO A MORE SOCIAL NOVEL AMERICAN COULD ONLY SAY WHY LILY, SO THAT IT HAD. I SAY YEAH USUALLY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU AND I PROBABLY FRUSTRATED AND EVEN MORE TALKING TO DR. ANSWERING ABOUT RAMADAN. WE COME BACK IN THE FINAL SEGMENT.

WHAT WE LEARN AND APPLY FROM WHAT THE RESIDENT WITH THE IPA MICHELLE THEOLOGY THURSDAY AS IT IS THEIR FRIENDS OUT HERE AT SOUTHEASTERN BAPTIST THEOLOGICAL MADE BY THE WAY, GO AHEAD AND SAY THANK YOU STEVE THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT STEEPING SO MUCH. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING BEFORE THAT WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT COPING 90 NOT IT'S WITS TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE SOMETHING IS HAPPENED THAT REALLY NEVER HAPPENED. APPARENTLY, IN THE HISTORY OF ISLAM, OR EVEN AN MECCA SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE COBIT 19 SITUATION IN MOSQUES AROUND THE WORLD VERY VERY HIGHLY UNUSUAL SO VERY STRANGE TIME. BASED ON THAT, BUT WERE NOT DOING THE SHOW COBIT 19 BUT IF YOU MISS THE TALK OF A 19 JUST COME BACK IN 24 HOURS BECAUSE I CAN ASSURE YOU THE LEASE OF TALK ABOUT THAT TOMORROW SOME POLITICAL THINGS GOING ON SOME FASCINATING THINGS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD. SO THERE'S SO MUCH TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT AND WE WILL, BUT NONE OF THAT'S OUT OF FEAR AND NOW THAT'S OUT OF CONCERN ULTIMATELY FOR THE FUTURE. WE DON'T GRIEVE OVER ANY OF THIS STUFF IS THOSE WHO HAVE NO HOPE TO GET A REMEMBER THAT IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE GETTING. IF YOU'RE SEVERE LOSING SLEEP OVER THIS. IF THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTERNATION AT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ANGER AT THIS ANGST. IF THERE'S FEAR AND WORRY AND CONCERN, I WOULD.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TURN THAT TURN INTO THE LORD HERE, ESPECIALLY AS WE TALK ABOUT RAMADAN BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT FOR A MUSLIM IS TO GET CLOSER TO GOD IN THE MIDST OF THIS THAT'S DEFTLY ONE PART OF OUR LIVES THAT WE SHOULD NOT BECOME A SHELTERING THIS WE NEED TO BE DIGGING AN EVEN DEEPER AND IT SHOULD BE A GOOD TEST OF YOUR FAITH WHERE YOU PUTTING YOUR FAITH.

WHERE IS YOUR HOPE WHERE YOU LOOKING FOR WHAT WHERE YOU LOOKING TO IN TIMES OF TROUBLE.

SO IF YOU REALLY BENT ON ALL THIS AND HAVE TO PUSH AWAY FROM IT MYSELF. THAT SHOULD CAUSE US TO GO BACK TO OUR ROCK BACK TO YOUR FOUNDATION GO BACK TO CHRIST BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE GREAT WITNESS THAT WE HAVE IN THE MIDST OF THIS TROUBLE, WHICH IS SERIOUS AND WE CARE ABOUT EVERYONE, WHETHER IT'S COPING RELATED OR UNEMPLOYMENT RELATED OR WHATEVER WE STILL GOTTA HAVE TO'S LIVE AS PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES ARE BUILT ON THE ROCK SO THERE SHOULD BE A KIND OF A STRANGE ALOOFNESS TO US WHEREAS WERE BROKEN ABOUT THE HERE AND NOW WE LONG FOR THAT. THERE AND THEN WE OPERATE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO WORLDS. SO LET'S JUST REMEMBER THAT AS WE RETURN TO THAT TOMORROW. BUT TODAY TALKING TO DR. ANCHORING A MINUTE AND IT SEEMS I DR. GREENHAM THAT'S A WHOLE LOT THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LEARN HERE, AS CHRISTIANS, AS FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST FROM RAMADAN YOU CANNOT TAKE OCCASIONAL DIFFERENTLY, YOU JERK ABOUT OF HOW CHRISTIANS HAVE RESPONDED TO RAMADAN AND IS BEING MOVED OVER MANY YEARS NOT TO PRAY INTENSELY FOR THE MUSLIM WORLD, OR THE END TIME. A RAMADAN PUTTING ON 30 DAYS PLAYABLE COULD SUPPORT OUT TO BE A SPECIFIC PRAYER FOCUS FOR MUSLIMS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD AND FOR CHRISTIAN MINISTRY TO MUSLIMS IN THOSE PARTS OF THE WORLD, OFTEN FOR BELIEVERS FROM A MUSLIM BACKGROUND IN SERVICE OF BEEN GOING ON FOR FOR A LONG TIME AND IS CERTAIN IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. ONE OF THE INTERESTING ASPECTS OF THIS IS THE 27TH DAY OF RAMADAN IS CALLED THE NOTCH OF POWER THEY GOT A CARD OF 1/4 TURN IN ARABIC AND OFTEN THIS IS SEEN BY WISDOM IS A VERY SPECIAL NOT WHEN THE HEAVENS OPENED AND PRAYERS OFFERED ON THAT DAY WILL BE FAR MORE EFFICACIOUS THAN PRAYERS OFFERED ANY OTHER TIME, AND SO CHRISTIANS OFTEN ENCOURAGED TO PRAY ESPECIALLY FOR FOR MUSLIMS ON THAT DAY COURSE DEPENDING ON THE MOON.

YOU CAN'T BE EXACTLY SURE WHEN LAYLA TOLD CARTER IS AND DIFFERENT GROUPS WILL OFTEN STRETCH DIFFERENT DAYS OFF IN THE LOST 10 DAYS ALTOGETHER. RAMADAN WILL BE SEEN AS IS MORE SPECIAL. I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE PRAY FOR MUSLIMS WHENEVER YOU THINK OF IT, DON'T JUST LIMITED TO RAMADAN, BUT PRAY FOR MOST WOMEN SPEAK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO IT'S AN OPEN FRIEND MUSLIMS TO TO MINISTER TO THEM.

BUT THIS IS BEING A STRONG FOCUS OF CHRISTIANITY UNDER THE POWERFUL PLAY THROUGH THE ENTIRE MONTH OF RAMADAN STARTED WHICH STARTED EIGHT OF THE EVENING IS THURSDAY EVENING APRIL 23 WHEN IT STARTED.

YES, IT CONCLUDES ON SUNDAY, 24 MAY WHICH IS COMING UP AND THAT SUCH AN INTERESTING POINT IN THE INTERNATIONAL MESSAGE YOU MAY YOU SEE THE MOON RIGHT IS EVERYTHING THE MILK SO YOU DON'T SEE THE MOON COULD BE DELAYED ONE DAY WHILE OKAY RIGHT SIDE OF FASTENING CELLS IN THIS INTERNATIONAL MISSION BOARD. I WANT TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN LEARNING ABOUT MUSLIMS COMING TO CHRIST PARTICULAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST IN THE LAST 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM THIS PIECE.

IT SAYS THE MONTH OF RAMADAN IS A TIME WHEN MUSLIMS ARE VERY AWARE OF DREAMS AND VISIONS THEY WENT ON TO SAY IN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE DREAMS AND VISIONS IN WHICH JESUS APPEARS IN FACT YOU WILL MEET FEW MUSLIM BACKGROUND BELIEVERS WHO HAVE COME TO CHRIST WITHOUT AN EXPERIENCE OF THAT NATURE WAS A BIT OF A GENERALIZED STATEMENT IS HOOTERS SET FOR US IN THE WESTERN CHURCH IN WESTERN CULTURE THAT WHOLE NOTION OF BEING VISITED BY JESUS IN DREAMS AND VISIONS IS VERY FOREIGN AND I THINK OFTENTIMES WE WOULD WRITE IT OFF BUT IT WOULD APPEAR AS I DID KNOW ABOUT THE 27TH NIGHT THAT SPECIAL NIGHT OF RAMADAN THAT HATE ACTUALLY DOES HAPPEN AND MY RESEARCH ON THE PALESTINIAN MUSLIMS CAME TO FAITH IN CHRIST. THE ELEMENT OF THE MIRACULOUS, SUPERNATURAL WAS REALLY IMPORTANT.

OFTEN THIS INVOLVES A DREAM, BUT NOT ALWAYS. I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE QUITE HIS BLANKETS IN THE WAY THAT YOU GOT IT OUT.

IT IS OFTEN THAT WAY. BUT NOT ONLY, AND WITNESS FROM A BELIEVE IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT. I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE ROUTE TO SOME DUES PRAY THE MOTION TO HAVE DREAMS OF, THAT SHE WILL GO TO TO YOU TO DESIGN WAS ABOUT. I KNOW REAL FLESH AND BLOOD LIVING LIFE AND SHARING CHRIST WITH MOST OF HIS VERY VERY IMPORTANT IN THE THING I REMEMBER THERE AND I WAS SHOCKED BY THIS. WHEN I SPENT TIME IN NORTHERN IRAQ IS THAT THAT YOU MENTION IT SEVERAL TIMES EARLIER.

THE COMMUNITY HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT WE WOULD JUST DO PRAYER WALKING THROUGH THE STREETS AND WE WOULD END UP IN PEOPLE'S HOMES FOR HOURS IS BECAUSE THAT THAT COMMUNAL ASPECT AND HONOR IN THEIR SHAME HONOR CULTURE WERE NOT WAS SO POWERFUL PEOPLE ARE SO HOSPITABLE, IT IS RAMADAN OR DAVE IS THAT A GOOD TIME TO JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A MUSLIM AND JUST MAYBE ASK HIM ABOUT IT.

OH, ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW IN A FEW DAYS. IF SO, YOU MAY TO BE QUITE A BIT OF NEGLECT OF WHAT'S WHAT'S COMING UP RIGHT OF RAMADAN'S ID AL-FITR. THAT'S OF THE VEGETABLE OF RACHEL DENIGRATION TYPICALLY OR LOST FOUR DAYS STRAIGHT IN THE MUSLIM WORLD, BUT ALWAYS IN JORDAN EYES TO DECIDE HOW MANY PUBLIC HOLIDAYS ACTUALLY SIT ASIDE. LEAD OTHERS AT THE TIME OF OUR VISITING FROM BETWEEN FAMILIES AND WE WILL BE MOVED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. IT WAS A MUSLIM FAMILY LIVING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US AND WE CAME RIGHT AT THAT TIME WE MADE A POINT OF BUYING SOME GOODIES FOR THE KIDS FOR GOING OVER AND GIVING THAT TO THEM. THEY WERE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT LADY INSISTED ON GIVING US SOME FOOD FROM ALL THE COPIOUS AMOUNTS SHE WAS COOKING BACK HOME WITH US. YEAH.

SO YES, THEY WOULD THEY WOULD THEY WOULD LOVE SOME KIND OF LIKE SOWING AND REAPING, AND THAT DIDN'T HELP THAT YOU HAVE YOUR LESSON, YOU GOT IT LAST. I WOULD LOVE SOME, BUT I WOULD LOVE THAT COTTAGE IS SO WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ARE KIND OF THE TOP THINGS THAT WE COULD LEARN AND TRY TO INCORPORATE ITS CHRISTIANS FROM WHAT MUSLIMS ARE DOING WITH THE WAY MY COMMENT IS NEGATIVE BECAUSE THE WITH THE THING WITH RAMADAN IS JUST SO LEGALISTIC AND BE CAREFUL OF BEING LEGALISTIC WAS A CHRISTIAN DOESN'T THINK THAT IF YOU DO THIS THAT AND THE OTHER THE CAUSE CAN BE MORE PLEASED WITH YOU. EVEN IF YOU DONE SO WAS A REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT PRAYER REQUESTS AUDIT OF FOSTER PRAY SO GOD CAN USE YOU MUCH. I'M SUFFERING NOW YOU GOT ONTO THIS PRAYER NO WAY TO PUT THAT'S PAGAN IS NOT CHRISTIAN AND KNOW GOD ON THIS IS BECAUSE HE'S GRACIOUS NOT BECAUSE WE DESERVE IT AFTER A WHOLE BUNCH OF BROWNIE POINTS ARE FULL GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU IN THIS AND SHE RECRUITED WHAT HIS SON DID ON THE CROSS. NEVER FORGET THAT IMPORTANT YEAH I'VE TOLD SOMEBODY RECENTLY THAT GOD LISTENS TO YOUR PRAYERS BECAUSE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HIMSELF. HE ASKED ABSOLUTE. BECAUSE OF WHAT IT WAS ACCOMPLISHED.

THE GRACE OF THAT POWER TO KEEP MUTTERING TO MYSELF, WHAT OWES YOU NOTHING GIVES ME SO MUCH AS A THRONE OF GRACE, SO BEAUTIFUL AND SO THIS IS A BIG THING.

I WOULDN'T WANT HIM ASIDE, NEVER, NEVER DRIFT AWAY FROM GRACE AND AVOID LEGALISM DON'T TAKE AWAY FROM GRACE X-RAY BUT BUT BUT THE FACT THAT WHAT ABOUT HIS FASTING AND GENEROUS BUT BUT FOSTERING IS A GREAT BISHOP AND MOUTH OF MY. I UNDERSTAND THE NEW TESTAMENT AND SOME MAY DISAGREE WITH ME. I DON'T BELIEVE IT CONDEMNS ALL KAMAN'S FROSTING SO I THINK IF YOU FIND FORCING HELPFUL ALL MEANS DO THAT IF YOU FIND IT UNHELPFUL, DON'T DO IT. I DON'T GET POTENTIAL CLINICAL TRIP OVER IT EITHER AGAIN AND GUESS THE FREEDOM WE HAVE IN CHRIST. GRACE AGAIN, EXACTLY, IS BEAUTIFUL AND THEN JUST WHAT ABOUT PRAYER LIFE IN GENERAL. DOES THAT MEAN I UNDERSTAND THE THEOLOGY AND HELP HELP BROKEN AND INEFFECTIVE IT IS THAT META-MUSLIMS CALLED TO PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE DISCIPLINE OF THOSE THAT ABSOLUTELY WAS LEAVING THE FLIP SIDE OF WHAT WE SAY WE CAN PRAY ANYTIME YOU KNOW SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE PREYING ON HOW MUCH LONGER IS A SHOW GOING ON.

THANKFULLY WE WE CAN PRAY. I WAS OUT THERE PRAYING IS LORD GIVE STEVE AND AUNT ANOTHER HOUR IN THE AIR YOU GET OSPREY TO PRAY, BUT WE CAN PRAY ANY TIME, BUT THE FLIPSIDE OF THAT, HE CAN FOOL YOURSELF INTO THINKING WHAT I PRAY OVER TIME THAT I STAYED NOT TO CALL BALANCE, YOU WILL ACTUALLY DELIBERATELY SITTING ON ROUTE TO READ AND TO PRAY AND SO IT'S A BIG RIGMAROLE WHAT MUSLIMS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WASHING AND FACING THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND STOPPING WHAT THEY DOING THE SAME TIME.

BUT DISCIPLINE IS ADMIRABLE. ALL VERY MUCH. SO AND WHICH WE COULD CERTAINLY LEARN FROM THE BEGINNING DISTANCE SLIP INTO LEGALISM RIGHT AS YOU DO THAT IF I IF YOU PLAY ABOUT SIGNIFICANT IF THEN GAMES WITH GOD AND ASK IF I DO THIS IF I DO THAT IF THE I DO THE OTHER THING THEN GOD WILL GIVE ME THIS AND HE'LL DO THAT HELP SOLVE THIS AND HELP ME OF THAT YET TO BE REALLY CAREFUL BROTHER.

HE'S GIVEN ME SO MUCH AND IGNORED WHICH WILL BE TO DO. YEAH, AND HOW YOU ALWAYS EXCITING THINGS KNOW PLEASE MISSIVE I THINK YOUR MINUTE BUT KEEP DIRECTING ME I NEEDED. THAT'S RIGHT, IT'S REAL GENERAL QUESTION BECAUSE I ONLY GOT ABOUT A MINUTE AND 1/2 LEFT. WE HAVEN'T REALLY DEALT WITH RECENTLY THERE HASN'T BEEN A WHOLE BIG ISSUE OF TERRORISM WORLDWIDE. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT'S PUSHING THE AMERICAN CONTEXT. IT'S STILL OUT THERE. OBVIOUSLY, ISIS CORTICAL DEFEATED THAT THERE'S BEEN AT THE VIOLENCE OF ISLAM, OF FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM IS NOT ON THE FRONT PAGE NOW CITY THINK THAT WE EVER LEAVE FROM UP FROM A EVANGELISTIC MISSION PERSPECTIVE. IS IT KINDA OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND. DO YOU THINK THAT WE HAVE LESS FOCUS ON ISLAM NOW BECAUSE THINGS ARE BLOWING UP TO BE REALLY FRANK I'M AFRAID HE ALSO PROBABLY YEARS AND REALLY FOCUS. WE SHOULD HAVE IS ON 1.7 1.8 MILLION PEOPLE IN NEED JESUS TO SEE JESUS AND AND HE LOVES HIM THIS MUCH AS YOU LOVE ME AS AN ON AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE HOUSE TO GET HIS OTHER SPLASHY OUTSOURCER TEAM YESTERDAY YOUR PEOPLE AND I WORKED WITH A HIGH SENSE OF MORAL FAMILY TOO OFTEN RISK THEIR LIVES. THEY NEED TO KNOW THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD, WHO TAUGHT HER. THEN DR. AND GREENHAM ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR MISSIONS AND ISLAMIC STUDIES THINK MUCH HELP YOU. THIS IS THE NOTE ON THE STEVE MILLER SHOW THEOLOGY THURSDAY LIKE WE TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE REFERENCE SOUTHEAST AND I'LL BE BACK TOMORROW. CHECK IT OUT IF YOU STEAL THE SHOW.COM I JUST GET YOUR PODCAST LIKE


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