Amy Grant: Apostate?

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Maybe some mild controversy out there in the Christian world. And so earlier today, I've been recovering from our open house last night at Casa del Noble. We had an open house for our homeschool students, of which we have many. So that's the noble you side of my life. If you listen to the show regularly or watch regularly on Facebook Live or Rumble, then you've heard me mention that I've been teaching for this is my 11th year.

But last year was first year. We actually said, hey, you know, on a whim, really, at the last minute, which didn't thrill Mrs. Noble. It was, hey, let's have an open house for our students and invite their parents or families and we'll just throw the house open and we'll get some food. Of course, having Chick-fil-A at a home with a homeschool open house here in North Carolina is a big deal. Did Facebook just cut out again? Golly, that's annoying. And so you're like, hey, we'll just pick up a couple of trays of nuggets from Chick-fil-A and some other stuff.

And man, can those high school age homeschoolers eat. And so we had I don't know that. I think we had 70 or 80 through last year. This year, we did it again last night and we had 100 and started with 156 RSVPs.

We had some weather and, you know, that people get ill, things come up. And so that was whittled down to about 132. And then last night, I think we I would guess we had at least 100 came through in a couple hours. It was officially 630 to 830. And we tried to split it up a little bit based on where my classes are held here in town.

Plus, I have online students. So it was crazy. And once again, there go the Chick-fil-A nuggets. So that was kind of funny. And but it was a great time and it's such a blessing. It was so encouraging to have so many students and their families want to come to their teacher's Christmas open house. And a lot of them probably more interested in meeting Mrs. Noble than seeing me again. But that was a blast and a ton of people. But a pretty late night, long day.

And so very tired. So today, I'm you know, some days what I want to talk about on the air is a little more obvious than others. And sometimes I want to dive into the news of the day and sometimes I don't. Theology Thursday always kind of takes care of itself with our friends at BJU Seminary.

But I was on Twitter earlier today because it's interesting to see what's happening there. And I saw this story, Amy Grant to host nieces same sex wedding believes Jesus wants us to love God and love each other. Of course, that's true.

And so what do you do with that? So my question today for you is, how do you feel about Amy Grant, who is a professing Christian? I have no reason to believe that she's not. And but, you know, she was controversial years ago because she was a little more poppy than some people in the Christian world wanted to see. And so she was doing crossover song like Baby Baby and some of those videos.

She's a she's doing a video with a man that's not her husband. Then, of course, she went through kind of an ugly divorce with Gary Chapman, her first husband, and then married Vince Gill, the famous country western singer. And they've been married ever since.

And I remember one of the things that were controversial about that was controversial about that. It's her saying that, you know, when they first met each other, they fell in love while she was married. I think Vince Gill was married at the same time. And then she made some comment in the print about out there in the press about, you know, when they when they first met, she just knew that something about almost like God had destined them to be together, something like that. Soulmate, whatever. She was kind of mixing in some Christian type wording with the fact that she fell in love with Vince Gill, leaves her husband.

He left his wife. And there you go. So she has dealt with a little controversy in the past.

And then this one today, Amy Grant, a host, nieces, same sex wedding, believes Jesus wants us to love God and love each other. I'm going to read this article and take you through this. Not a whole lot to it. It won't take a lot.

So the question is, you know, I just generally what do you do with this? There's no way this person is a Christian or this is just a Christian who's playing a little bit more in the world than perhaps in the body of Christ. And is she flat out wrong?

Is this a sin for her to open her home? In this case, their farm, their ranch, whatever it is, her and Vince Gill. Vince Gill is not the one that's played the Christian world, but Amy Grant certainly has. She's doing a Christmas tour right now. She was in a nasty bike accident back in July, but she's out on tour right now with Michael W. Smith and Michael Tate. And so, you know, but she's out. She's been a member of the Christian music community and one of the just pioneers of modern Christian music, contemporary Christian music.

And so what do you think about that? She's hosting a same sex wedding. It's her niece, same sex wedding at her house. OK. And so this was in a Washington Post story because she was being inducted. She was just inducted into got the Kennedy Center honors, you know, and her and Bono and somebody else. And so that was kind of the big part of the article.

But then in the article, it says this. In recent years, she has voiced support for the LGBTQ community where she has had a large fan base for decades. Now she talks about her and Gill's plans to host her niece's wedding at their farm, which is her family's first bride and bride nuptials, quote unquote. Grant recalls her reaction when she learned her niece had come out. What a gift to our whole family to just widen the experience of our whole family.

I don't know that I would call that a gift if you are coming from. I'll probably add that in there. Welcome back at Steve Noble, The Steve Noble Show. So Amy Grant, the famous Christian singer, songwriter, performer has been a huge monster success for what, like 30, 40 years, I guess. The she's going to host her niece's same sex wedding. So her niece is, quote unquote, marrying another woman, first bride and bride nuptials at their family farm. Grant recalls her reaction when she learned her niece had come out.

What a gift to our whole family to just widen the experience of our whole family. Honestly, from a faith perspective, Grant said, I do always say, Jesus, you just narrowed it down to two things. Love God and love each other.

Grant told the outlet, I mean, hey, that's pretty simple. That's a massive oversimplification of scripture in general. You could say that love God and love each other. Love the Lord God with our hearts, soul, mind and strength.

And the second is like it. Love your neighbor as yourself. OK, great.

But there's a whole lot more going on there. If you love God, then fill in the blank. You'll do this.

You won't do that. OK, so so that's why I say to Amy, yeah, yeah. Love your love. Love God. Sure. Is that part pretty simple?

Sure, that that's pretty simple. Love God and love each other. But what does it mean to love God?

And if you love God, how does that translate into your life in this case? Will you then host your niece's gay wedding in order to be loving? Now, I want I want to preface this by saying that and feel free. I mean, I'd expand this as well, too. Would you go to your son or daughter's gay wedding?

Would you go to a family member's gay wedding or a friend's gay wedding? And that might change, too. And again, if you call in here and our number, as always, it's 866-348-7884. And we'd love to hear your opinion. And I'm not here to debate you every once in a while. I'll ask a clarifying question and every once in a while I'll get a caller that's calling in here to kind of go after it. But I don't do calls every day.

So that doesn't happen all that often. But if you if you have an opinion, you're like Steve probably won't agree with me or Steve might jump on me because I'm taking a different position than him because I know he's like, you know, this uber conservative Christian. And I'm sure he's saying, no, Amy shouldn't be hosting a gay wedding.

And he wouldn't go to a gay wedding, even if his son or his daughters and all that kind of stuff. Don't don't let that get in the way of you calling because I'm not going to get into that with you. One of the things that I have to try to and sometimes it's harder than others to maintain on the air is my witness. And I'm not here to be Sean Hannity. I'm not here to be Mr. Opposition.

Let's get into it down and have a cage match here on the air. That's not what I do. I'm asking the question because I'm sincerely interested in how people that call themselves Christians deal with this issue. And the Old Testament says, come let us reason one to another and chew through these things. I'm not going to break fellowship with anybody over this question. I think it's an interesting question. I think it's an important question as 30 percent of our younger generation now identifies with the LGBTQ community. And so this is a huge issue.

It's going to get bigger. So how do you deal with that? Is Amy just flat out an apostate? She's totally in sin.

This is totally wrong. Or maybe you're like, well, it is her niece. And man, if you want to maintain that relationship for the sake of being a witness for the gospel and hopefully, you know, you have more opportunities to lead them to Christ instead of shutting the door. Well, then, you know, OK, fine. I'm not going to die on the hill. And you might think that or you're just like, yeah, that's a sin. No, I can't do it.

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Truth. Why can't I find the pointer here, Josh? Can you help me out with that? Let me jump on the phone lines here first. Let me go to Josh calling in from North Carolina. Josh, I appreciate you calling. Merry Christmas. Go right ahead.

Merry Christmas. I just wanted a thought here, because I come from this from a similar perspective. We are a conservative Christian family, but I do have a daughter that has been in the gay community for a couple of years. So we've had to try to navigate this very experience as far as loving people, but standing on truth. Yes.

So so what do you think about what Amy's doing? I appreciate you sharing. One of the difficulties in our community is our culture is that we really grossly mystify love. And loving someone is not just coddling them and applauding everything they do. Love is absolutely includes doing what's best for them.

And obviously, we would believe that the gospel faith in Christ was best for them and repenting of sin. So, you know, that has to be part of the equation if we're really going to love him. And that's that's the difficult part is to hold that line. And at the same time, you know, be the place that we can. But, you know, for us, just in no way could include support of what they're doing.

Yeah. And there's a fine line there. And any of us as parents, Josh, you need to know this better than most, that it really sometimes is a battle to maintain a relationship so that you can maintain a back and forth conversation in the hopes of being able to maintain some level of Christian influence. But we also have to remember that we're not the Holy Spirit and I ultimately can't change somebody's heart. And so we wrestle with that.

And that's not an easy thing. I think more and more parents are dealing with that. Josh, I mean, when I ask in my home school classes that I teach. Hey, do you know anybody that's a member of the LGBTQ community? They're gay, they're bisexual, they're transgendered. Somebody, you know, personally, somebody associated with your family.

I'll get 50 percent of my students easily in every single class are there. I mean, this is all over the place. So I appreciate you calling and sharing and we all have to work on how we handle this topic. But yeah, I agree. As parents, sometimes the loving thing is to say no. And just out of love, you don't let your kid do whatever they want to and you don't agree with them all the time.

That is a loving thing to do. So that's a great point. Yeah. And how do we love God if we're not going to stand for what God is for and what God is against?

And so that's the first part of that is, you know, we we love God by standing for the gospel, standing for the truth. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a difficult road.

But, you know, we it's been rough, but we've been able to maintain a relationship with our daughter. Yeah. Praise the Lord. And hope and pray that, you know, that is redeemed. That's right.

Exactly right. Her story is not over yet. Josh, thank you so much for calling in. I hope you guys have a Merry Christmas. Thanks, you too. All right.

Thanks so much. Let's jump over to Michelle calling in from South Carolina. Michelle, thanks for calling. Go right ahead.

Hi. I was listening and I just wanted to say that that I do not believe in the same sex marriage, but I do not stand in judgment of those that do. Our job as Christians is to spread God's love and show love. And I think if we're judging others, that that just makes us look bad. Who wants to be around Christians that are judging others? So I think we're only responsible for ourselves.

And I have two children of my own, my 29 year old and a 24 year old. And if they came to me and told me that they were in a relationship with a same sex person, I'm certainly not going to tell them that I just own them. Yeah.

I would pray very hard to tell them that I feel in my heart that this is not what God would choose for you. Right. But you are your own person. You know, I raised you in church. You make your own choices.

And I'm not going to judge what you do. Got it. Thanks, Michelle. I appreciate that. Hope you have a Merry Christmas. I'll have some comments on that when we come back. We'll keep going.

Welcome back. It's Steve Noble, The Steve Noble Show. Be really careful. We're talking about Amy Grant. She's decided she and her husband, Vince Gill, have decided to host her niece's same sex wedding. It appears that Amy Grant's been bathing that decision and just trying to be loving. And she's actually said, you know, hey, God made this pretty easy. Love him, love others. That's pretty simple.

Yeah, true. But when when you say you love God, if I say I love you, then you're going to judge. If I say I love my son, Hayden, then you're going to judge whether I actually love him or not by what I do.

I can say I'd say it one thing, but then doing is another. So you say, because Jesus said, many will say, Lord, Lord, yada, yada, yada, to which he'll say, depart from me. I never knew you. So I can say I love you. But if I beat the tar out of you, do I? Of course not. If I say I love you, but I abuse you verbally, mentally, emotionally, physically. Do I love you?

No. Well, I told you I love you. I don't care what you said. I'm going to judge you by what you do.

Oh, there's that word again. Judge. You judge actions. That's what a Christian is allowed to do. You cannot judge somebody's motivation. I can't judge your salvation. If somebody says there's no way Amy grants a Christian.

Well, you can't judge that because you don't know her heart. Only God does that. So now you've taken his seat in the courtroom and you can't do that. You can, however, say divorce and just about every case is sinful. That's sinful. Having an abortion is sinful.

Hey, I had an abortion when I was young. Was that a sin? Yes, that was a sin. Quit judging me. I'm judging your action. I'm judging your decision based on the word of God. I'm not judging your heart and I'm not judging your salvation.

I'm judging your activity. And in the same passage of scripture, in the same chapter where Jesus says, judge not lest you be judge, which is the type of sinful judgmentalism I was just talking about. He also says, judge righteously and then proceeds to do that himself in all of his apostles that write books for the rest of the New Testament.

Do the same thing. You read Paul's books. The guy's judging everybody all the time, everywhere. That's why he's writing letters to these fallen churches where all kinds of screwy stuff is going on. And he's judging their activity. And you're allowed to do that.

That's part of being salt and light in this world. But how do you judge? Amy Grant's decision here with Vince Gill to host a same sex wedding at their farm.

Thumbs up, thumbs down, somewhere in the middle. 866-348-7884 is the number. 866-348-7884 or 866-34 truth. Let's go to David calling in right here in North Carolina. David, thanks for calling. Go right ahead.

Thank you, sir. The only instruction manual we have as a Christian is the word of God. And in the book of Romans, it plainly states that those things are sin. Homosexuality is sin. It's ungodly. It's filthy.

It's perverted. So what do we do? Do we think that God is going to change his mind and send somebody down and say, Oh, whoops, I want to put an addendum to this thing.

We want to change this out. No, God's an old-fashioned God. He said it one time and he meant it.

He's not going to change his mind. Do we have to be mean? Do we have to act hateful? No, we don't. But do we have to agree with it?

Well, no, we don't. What we have to do as a Christian is agree that God is Almighty, all-powerful, all-knowing, and he's the one that told us we're not supposed to do these things. And not only are we not supposed to do them, we're not supposed to be around those that do, except for the fact that maybe witnessing to say, look, you know, we hate to tell you this, but you know, you and I go to hell if you don't get saved and your actions show that you're not a Christian.

I mean, what other choice do we really have? Yeah, and that's that's the rub where some people will say, oh, you're being judgmental or which is they don't understand what sinful judgmentalism versus righteous judgmentalism is. And then they use love as a blanket to kind of cover over everything, which is what Amy Grant is saying. I say, well, as long as my motivation is love, I'm trying to show him the love of God, then it's OK. And then God doesn't operate that way. God chastises those he loves. He doesn't just pet them all the time like they're his little doggy pet and he takes care of them all the time. Sometimes God's going to spiritually spank you to help you, and he's doing that out of love.

But sometimes that's what is required is discipline. David, I appreciate your call. And thanks so much, man. Have a Merry Christmas. You do. Thank you.

You're welcome. Eight, six, six, three, four, eight, seven, eight, eight, four. How do you process through here when Amy Grant and her husband, Vince Gill? I'm not going to hold Vince Gill up to this because he's never put himself out there as some Christian representative in the music world.

I really don't know that much about the guy. And then, well, Stevie sings a lot of hymns. Oh, so what if if thou shalt sing hymns, thou shalt be saved.

No, that's not how it works. But Amy Grant, who's always, as far as I've known about her, has been a professing Christian. Is she out of line here? Is this a sin that she's hosting her niece's same sex wedding on their farm? Eight, six, six, three, four, eight, seven, eight, eight, four. Just trying to learn from one another, chew through this here and and kind of work through these difficult situations. This is becoming increasingly more normal in our culture, especially for our children and grandchildren. So it's good that we walk through this and talk through it. Eight, six, six, three, four, eight, seven, eight, eight, four or eight, six, six, thirty four.

True. Paul, sorry to keep you on hold for so long. Thanks for calling. Go right ahead. Hello? Hey, Paul, you're on.

Thanks for holding. Yes. Well, I think you have to go back to principles. And that's where we've missed out a lot of times is we don't have principles anymore. And the fact that, you know, if you notice, God always puts himself first. So our first obligation is to love God. And if we love God, then we want to please him. And it's obviously from all the stuff that's in the New Testament, plus the Old Testament, that he's not for homosexuality. And one of the principles that I've always kept and tried to use is to guide me along the way is blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. And sometimes we approve just by our silence. Sure.

Yeah. And then you're giving the impression if you're supposed to be a witness or an ambassador, which we're actually called ambassadors for Christ, if you're supposed to be an ambassador, then an ambassador is always 24-7 representing his sovereign. If you're an ambassador to Italy, you are a direct representative of the president of the United States and the United States in general. And your job as the ambassador to Italy is 24-7. You represent the president directly.

So if you're out getting crazy on the weekends, that's a problem. So what you choose to do, what you choose to attend, you're representing the Lord in this. And if you say the Lord would not be pleased with this, well, then you shouldn't be either and you shouldn't be taking part in it. I totally agree with that.

That's a great point. Paul, thanks so much for calling in. And I hope you have a Merry Christmas. 866-348-7884 or 866-34-TRUTH. Amy Grant hosting her niece's same sex wedding. What are your thoughts on that? Let's go to, is it Mays calling in from North Carolina? Thanks so much for calling. Hi.

Hi there. I hope I'm not judging the motivation of the heart, but I'm going to come at this from an angle that I sort of understand being in show business. I'm wondering if the concern really isn't about showing that she's loving and affirming more than just trying to protect her career.

Yeah, how would she look? Because she kind of lives in that Hollywood world. She does have a she's she's been very friendly with some interviews and stuff towards the LGBTQ community. And the things that I've read in the press is that she has a pretty good relationship with them. Is that what you mean?

She's just trying to think a little more worldly. Yes, I think all of us in the business are are faced pretty intensely with us on a daily basis. Especially in the last several years.

If we choose to say that if we stand with the conviction, as Jesus said, if you love me, you will obey my commandment is, you know, we have to choose loving God, fear of God over fear of man. I think many of our careers, I'm actually looking at probably in the next few years, having to figure out something else to do. Yeah, because the pressure and the hotbed of that, especially in the arts world, whether it's theater, music, dance, you know, even opera.

The fear that I see and that I hear is if I say anything against that, they're going to attack me. And my career is. Yeah. So it really is one of those choices that I think many of us and I'm not saying it's not it's not just show business, it's everything. But when you're famous and when you are right there in it. What's more important? And I think, frankly, as somebody in this business, I look at her and I think.

Fear of man. Yeah, she's choosing she's choosing the worldly. Applause and affirmation versus what her Heavenly Father. Well done.

Good and faithful servant. Yeah. Yeah, and it's certainly yeah, no, it certainly appears that way. And again, that's one like, do I know for sure that's what she's doing? No, but the evidence sure seems to point in that direction. And given the totality of what you're saying, what you've experienced. And I think most of us understand that any Christ follower in the world of entertainment at any level is going to face a lot of pressure because the LGBTQ pressure is higher there than it is in the rest of the culture. And then, yeah, you're right. You either got to choose fear of God or fear of man.

It looks like she's gone with the latter on that one. Thanks so much for calling in. It's great to have your perspective. Have a Merry Christmas. Thank you. Thanks a lot. This is Steve Noble on The Steve Noble Show.

We'll be right back. It's Steve Noble, The Steve Noble Show talking about Amy Grant's decision. She's hosting her niece's same sex wedding. Her niece is obviously a lesbian marrying, quote unquote, marrying her girlfriend or whatever. And so Amy Grant's hosting that at her awesome farm. I'm sure it's awesome, beautiful. She's made tons of money.

Her husband, her second husband, Vince Gill, has made tons of money. An interesting question from somebody on Facebook was, I wonder if she's hosting it because other family members won't. I mean, do you have to have your wedding at a two multimillionaires incredible spread there in Tennessee? Like, what's that all about?

Go have it. Justice the peace. Go to an uber liberal church. Go to a nondenominational church. Go to a Unitarian Universalist church. Go to go to. You don't have to have it at a church.

Don't have a church at all. Just go have it at some. But you're going to have it at your uber famous, uber successful, contemporary Christian artist dove award winning Grammy award winning Christian contemporary artist house.

Is that that to me? The more I think about it, I'm like, well, that's a bit of a statement. So what's the deal there?

What's going on there? So this is from an article that just came out a couple days ago, about a week ago. Grant's influential platform has given her the opportunity to speak out for the LGBTQ community.

That's a loaded statement. So I'm not going to just believe that, you know, that it's the media, OK, even though it's a Christian website. In 2013, Grant did her first LGBTQ plus press interview with Pride Source Dotcom for the promotion of her How Mercy Looks From Here album.

Interesting combination of facts there, isn't it? In that interview, Grant answered questions about her faith and the LGBT community. She shared, quote, I know that the religious community has not been very welcoming, but I just want to stress that the journey of faith brings us into community. But it's really about one relationship.

The journey of faith is just being willing and open to have a relationship with God. And everybody is welcome. Everybody. OK, that that's a statement. That's a typical statement from somebody in the limelight. This happened to Lauren Daigle. A lot of you who like contemporary Christian music know who Lauren Daigle is.

I think she was on Ellen DeGeneres show or she was on some panel or something and gave this really squishy answer about the gay issue, about homosexuality. You know, well, you know, I know it's not God's best. And, you know, if you're asked a question. So you're a Christian. Yes. Do you then subscribe to the teaching of the Bible?

Yes, I do. Then do you agree that homosexuality is an abomination? It's a it's a sin. It's a sinful lifestyle. And homosexuals are an abomination and should be stoned to death.

I say, well, first of all, let me give you just a quick little theological lesson here. The stoning homosexuals to death only occurred in the Old Testament. That was only for God's chosen people, the Israelites whose job was to represent God specifically, which is why there's so many laws there, so many rules, because if you're going to represent a perfectly holy, just moral God, then no hanky panky funny business is going to be allowed. And the more egregious the sin, the more significant the punishment. And so that was just for the Israelite people, God's chosen people at that time.

OK, that is not a general moral application rule in terms of the death penalty that we live by anymore. That was just for God's people, just within the Israelite community at that time. OK, so setting that aside, is homosexuality a sin?

Yes. Any sexual activity outside a man on a woman who are married is a sin, whether it's homosexuality, adultery, all kinds of other, any fornication, which is just sex outside of marriage, that sexual sin. If I'm married and I am and I lust after anybody other than my wife, that is a sin. That is the emotional, mental sin of adultery. It's not the physical sin of adultery, but it's the other sin of adultery. And so all those things are in there. And yes, homosexuality is in there. And I know that some of the strong language about homosexuality and abomination and the only sin in the Bible described as unnatural bugs some people. I understand that.

But but God has spoken and he's spoken clearly in his position is my position. Well, you're a scumbag. You're a dirtbag. We hate you. We're never going to come to your concert again. I'm never going to listen to your radio show again. I'm going to shun you. You're a disgusting person. OK, well, I'm sorry you feel that way. I'll pray for you. And you can treat me like garbage all you want. I'm not going to return the favor. And the Lord has told me to pray for those who persecute me and to you. You slap me across the right side of my face.

I'm going to turn my left side also. And that's it. And if you're trying to walk through this life and be an ambassador for Christ and remain popular, good luck with that.

You can't. Jesus said in this world, you will have trouble. They hated me. They're going to hate you, too. They killed him. They would like to kill you, too.

Why? Because he spoke in no uncertain terms the truth. And especially the religious leaders of the day and some who he was not. We talked about this yesterday on Theology Thursday. Jesus was not the Messiah they wanted.

They were looking for the Thor slash Iron Man slash Captain America. David King David 2.0 to come in and destroy Rome and kick some rear end and take over and establish Israel and Jerusalem as the Gilded Age of Judaism. But they misread the Old Testament. And he came as a suffering servant to conquer death by his sacrifice. One day he will completely take over operations here on Earth, but not yet. And so a lot of people just don't like that.

OK, I know that. I know that the world, the more I speak openly to others or just out loud about the things of God, the more blowback you're going to get. If you never get any blowback, I'm going to be careful with what I'm about to say, especially as we're all going to be with family and friends and stuff over the next week or so for Christmas. If you never get any pushback from the world and when I say the world people, you know, neighbors, co-workers, social media. If you never get any pushback for the fact that you're following Christ, you're a disciple, you're following Christ. If you never get any pushback, then in my way of thinking, I think that odds are you're not doing it right, so to speak. That means you never voice or live out anything that's contradictory to the world.

You never say something, represent something that the world looks at you and and says, are you what are you telling me that I'm are you judging me? That's a problem. Well, Steve, we're supposed to love people, right? Yeah, love people. Hey, do you love your kids? Yeah. Do you let them do whatever they want?

No. If you did, would you be loving or unloving? Well, in some cases, that would be very unloving.

Exactly. Now, I'm not going to run around in the mall and tell people to repent. But if I'm in a conversation with an individual or somebody asks me in a group setting or you're like Amy Grant in your in, you have a huge platform. But Amy Grant obviously has some favor with the LGBT community and to the caller earlier is in the entertainment industry. Man, that's enormous pressure.

And do you fear God or do you fear man? Who are you trying to please? Well, if I if I don't host my niece's gay wedding, that's going to get out to her friends. And of course, that's going to hit social media. And then they're going to say, you know, I'm homophobic and I hate homosexuals.

And then that's going to blow back on me. And, you know, I'm not I don't really want to do that. Well, that's cowardly. And you're choosing to be pleasing to the world rather than pleasing to the Lord. Should Amy Grant as an as a public Christian host a same sex wedding? No, that's tacit approval. You're it's it's basically an endorsement.

It is a enabling of what is clearly a sin in violation of God's word. So why would you? Hey, come on in. Sure. I'll take care of that for you. Come on.

It'll be awesome. And love. Put a bunch of hearts out over the entrance to your farm and everything's good because God is God of love. And since God is God of love, then as long as you two love each other, it's fine. Which is how some people in the gay community that claim to be Christians as well as. You know, open about their homosexuality.

Hey, I'm in a loving relationship, a monogamous relationship. God is the God of love. Some people twist the scriptures and say, well, when the Bible talks about homosexuality, it's really talking about effeminate men and men that and people that are living promiscuous sexual lifestyles.

And they twist and play games with it. The clear teaching of scripture is the clear teaching of scripture. I know it's not popular in 2022. It wasn't it wasn't popular in 22. It wasn't popular in 122, 222, 322, 422 or any 22 between Jesus's arrival on this planet and today.

That's not a shock. Now, you shouldn't I don't run around and use the Bible as a as a bludgeoning tool, as a blunt object. But if I'm asked or I'm in a situation where it comes up and a subject comes up, you have to if you're an ambassador, you have to side with the Lord. Love the Lord, your God with our hearts, soul, mind and strength. That's first.

And the second is like it. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love your neighbor as yourself.

So if you're if you're making really terrible decisions, harming yourself, harming other people, would you want a loving friend to confront you? I would. So that's the deal. So, Amy, I'm like, it sure looks like you're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.

What a gift to our whole family to just widen the experience of our whole family, Grant said when she heard that her niece had come out. Honestly, from a faith perspective, I do. I say, Jesus, you just narrowed it down to two things. Love God and love each other. I mean, hey, that's pretty simple.

It is, Amy, and it isn't. If you love God. Then that's going to mean you try to live a certain kind of life. And that means you can't always pursue popularity.

You can't always pursue success. And I would say to Amy, hey, is that couldn't you make a case that God's already provided for you? And so if you say no to your niece's same sex wedding, do you really think you think your life's going to fall apart? You might lose some portion of your audience, but you're already set. You could stop performing, go live in a cave for the rest of your life.

You're never going to run out of money. What are you afraid of? So either she's afraid of the world or she just doesn't understand what it means to love and follow God.

I don't know. I don't know the woman, but I can judge her decision. And her decision is wrong. She's enabling.

She's providing an opportunity for she's sowing into the works of darkness. And you can't do that. You're not supposed to. Anyway, I hope you have a great weekend. Christmas is one week from Sunday. Can you believe it? God willing, I'll talk to you again real soon. And like my dad always used to say, ever forward.