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November 4, 2021 9:26 pm
Steve talks to Brian Trainer, from BJU School of Religion, about being done with mission works. Why have we stopped?
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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network noble show where Christianity meets the everyday issues of life in your home, at work, and even in politics. Steve is an ordinary man who believes in an extraordinary God it on a show, there's plenty of grace and lots of three no sacred call Steve now 86 34 true 866-34-TRUTH or checking out online, Steve Noble Joe.com now here's your host noble thought provoking question. Are you myopic are we not as American Christians evangelicals in America were so myopic, meaning were so American focus or so American centric and whether were talking about politics as a race talk about Virginia this week and they were still talking about Donald Trump are still talking about COBIT and lockdowns and vaccines and masking and all that stuff were still talking to a certain extent about January 6. Earlier this year and the trouble at the capital building were still talking about last year's election an hour talking about next year's election. There's so many things were very American centric.
So from a biblical perspective or from from a great commission perspective is the American church jar which is done with foreign missions. That's not really our problem anymore, and his other churches around the world and there's some other church movements around the world are doing well and we been carrying everybody's water when it comes to the great commission. So are we just got out of that business were not going to foreign missions anymore.
I used to be hot to trot for foreign missions.
I've been on for myself of been to Kenya twice. I've been to Thailand. I've even been in northern Iraq. I was on fire for foreign missions, myself, and in went out there took my son with me when he was 15 he went with me when we went to northern Iraq.
But then that, ebbs and flows, and I've talked about formations. I've had people on the show talking about formations but it's not nearly as big on my radar screen as it used to be. Does that make me by definition, perhaps dereliction of duty. In my bad Christian and what are we doing in America when it comes to foreign missions and in were not to talk about it today on theology Thursday in terms of written guilt trip you into this because you guys. You Americans are living your soft, cushy lives here but there's people around the world are dying of starvation and in poverty that have never heard the gospel and the numbers really are quite alarming as we look around the world because you've got to nearly 5000 people groups really lose Jesus what's gospel don't know anything about that listener.
This Christian adherence less than or equal to what 1/10 of 1% are out there that can share the gospel with their neighbors. A court of the world population almost has almost no chance of hearing about Jesus from someone in their own people group over 1600 people groups in the 1040 window that's kind of a longitude latitude thing do not have any scripture in their primary language. Evangelicals MBS Bible believing Christians are only about 8 to 9% of the world population and only one missionary get this. There's one missionary for every 216,000 unreached people in the world and people are coming off the mission field were not talking about as much were not going as much is that a problem or are we can opposed formations here in America theology Thursday with our friends at Bob Jones seminary as well as Bob Jones University Brian Traynor is joining us with this today whose serving as a professor of Bible teaching in many different capacities. At at BJ you and teaching a lot of different things homiletics and in leadership seminar survey admissions.
The Gospels theology of missions and evangelism. But he also speaks from experience.
Brian and his wife a bend over 40 different countries he's lived on the mission field lived in India lived in Trenton China is led over the last 2025 years over 1500 students on the foreign mission field. So this is something that's very passionate abut it is that something that the rest of us should be passionate that's the question will wrestle with today. What we do about O'Brien. Welcome to the show how aria it's great to be here. Steve thing.
It's good that I should speak to someone is willing to admit that there are derelict in the great commission. Well, thank you for acknowledging my honesty and I dereliction I appreciate that encouragement, but we have a lot to talk about in and by the way friends. I reposted this on Facebook but I'll post it again just a great blog post over at BJ you on this particular issue of boldly battling missions headwinds which were talking about because it is suffering foreign missions in America is suffering and that means missions around the world is suffering. So we got a lot to get through today but Brian obviously not you have a particular passion for foreign missions. You teach it, you live it you been there. India and China. How did that happen for you.
How did you become so passionate about formations dying for me it's very personal. Actually, I didn't accept Christ until my freshman year of college I did so just by reading through the New Testament. She had a friend who challenge me to sit down and read through the New Testament and then come back and look at Adam in the eye and say it had no impact on my life and I got to the gospel of Matthew. One time, first time I'd ever read. The totality of the gospel, and it just it just struck me.
I went back and started reading through Matthew actually a second time he got the Matthew 18 to speaks about the 99 in the fold, the one that was lost in at that point in time that it wasn't an audible voice of God. But it was clear working of the Holy Spirit was in my life that I was the one that was lost in the Holy Spirit and in Christ was the one that was looking for me. So I accepted my Christ my freshman year of college and right after that, had the opportunity of actually going overseas on my first mission trip possibly say it. It changed my life. It expanded my horizons as to what God is doing in the world and that was kind of the foundation that set a fire at that point I've been following Dr. just a series of events that took place numerous mission trips I believe and not just the reading of missionary biographies something I'll probably talk a bit later on as we get put into the class of the show but admiring Judge since biography written by Courtney Anderson to the to the Golden shore.
That book absolutely captured me my junior year of college and I simply stopped and what you know life is short, a life, his ministry and ministry is global and so is start is time to start thinking outside of my own comfort zone.
In my own horizon. At that point that was as really the start of it. More than anything else and then how how long did you live in India and China.
I lived in India for a at that point visas only allow for about six months since I was in and out in six months stents went right after grad school. Interestingly enough, at that point I was single and that ministries here in the states weren't accepting any level of single pastor as an Indian came to my church simply said were looking for theology. Teachers and I went to him and I said I'd love to come in his first question was do you do you have a wife, and I thought oh no, here we go. Yeah that answer no and the doors can be closed and I said no sir I don't and he looked at me said good because where you're going. No woman could handle it and out within weeks I was on a plane and and living in India time of my life. Great time, and then what about China been to China for about 2 1/2 years have taken about 40 to 50 trips in and out of China obviously limitations right now. In particular, on living there, but my perspective of China isn't in just one location destroy the joy of being. If I say this way national in multiple different provinces be involved in pastoral training and connecting students in facilitating educational opportunities that so I've got a lot to pack about to talk about and unpack her to talk about a lot of different factors that are good that it created a situation in America where for missions is pretty much stalled out.
Maybe it's even in a freefall store and unpack. What's going on there. What's happening in the American church that's going to taking us off the foreign mission field a lot of alarming troubling things there in the question we all called to this are just some of the Steve Noble and theology.
Thursday will be right back is still theology Thursday with their friends about Bob Jones University as well. Occasionally we dip into that of a giftedness down there were doing that today Brian trainers with us. He's a professor in the Bob Jones University school of religion, but really a focus not just educationally but from a lifestyle perspective from an experiential perspective and just a burden that the Lords clearly laid on his heart really starting when he got saved in the first place. For foreign missions and so that's kind of what were unpacking today is the is the is the age of foreign missions for the church in America over.
Obviously, I kind of stalled out on that one.
Are we in a freefall removing backwards. I mean, I asked the question, are we done with formations here in the American church because results American centric. We focus on our own issues our own problems, whether it's covert or whatever, but as Christians.
How much attention should we be giving to the foreign mission field what's going on there. Do we have a role to play or do we just hire people to go do it for us. So is a lot to work through today. We appreciate you being here Brian. Brian taken the time with us great.
Thanks. Great speaker. You're very welcome. So obviously this is a big problem so I want to revisit that one question because etiquettes important. We talk about foreign missions. We talk about missionaries and then we talked generally about all of us Christians and in the great commission. So, do we kinda delineate Brian should be virtually can you break down or look in the mirror and say okay which one MI. Most of us. I don't think most of us are called to be foreign missionaries, which should be if were not called before missionary. Does that mean were off the hook when it comes to foreign missions in general.
Does that make sense you know it does. And I think that that the use of the term missionary there's a generic use of it within the evangelical church and again you'll hear pastors in your other say that everyone is a mission right.
I think in communicating that is is a goodhearted way of saying we should all be sharing the gospel. I actually think that the term missionaries is more technical than that is is not found within the New Testament. I'd say she found within the Latin Vulgate add is the translation of the word apostle and it speaks specifically of an individual who is a sent Wanda, meaning that they have a center and that they have a task.
So I would suggest that a missionary is one that a local church sends out with the task of reproducing local churches. So any technical sense, not everyone is a missionary that said to your question. That doesn't take us off the hook at all. I will go as far as saying that this interest in missions is said I we should all either be going. We should be sending or we should be supporting that support can look like financial support.
It can look like prayer support, but we have to be engaged in the mission of the church. I think Christ makes that clear in the New Testament.
And that's the real challenge because back in the day I mention that I've been on several formation trips up in Kenya a couple times up in the tiling of northern Iraq and and generally I would go that would be seven or eight days in country I'd come back come back and then I would kinda check that off.
Hey, I mean I'm better than most Christians in America because they've never gone, but at least I went right and I check it off but it wasn't like it was a consistent thing was, like this up-and-down up-and-down want to go and I come back and I get my little retina to care my life and which is necessarily wrong, but then all of a sudden someone get on my radar screen okay now many go back with this challenge I think is do we. Is there anything were doing consistently to impact the spread of the gospel in making disciples throughout the entire world either. Like you said Brian, either through prayer, through sending or supporting him one way or another.
I think for most of us the answer to that is I'm not really touching the foreign mission field at all and that to me that's my concern.
My concern is not necessarily that everyone goes is the reality that not a lot of people are thinking about it anymore and the fact that they're not thinking about it and you mentioned this evening in your intro. I think this is especially true in the last 18 months, covert hits, basically everyone shuts down.
A lot of missionaries are coming off the field back to the United States and anytime you have events like this. It would just become very ethnocentric. At that point everything becomes focus on ourselves.
This last week we celebrated Reformation Sunday and from a church history perspective. The reformers actually were very poor when it came to missions and the reason why is they were all focus on their own battle that they were fighting for the survival of the church with justification by faith. So they weren't thinking externally. I think that's a danger that we all fall in. I win the battle around us gets hot. We have a tendency to put blinders on. Yes aware of base and some of our conversation today will welcome back its theology Thursday with our friends at Bob Jones University and Bob Jones seminary and Brian trainers with us. He's a professor at the Bob Jones University school of religion were kinda basing this off of a blog post that just went up earlier today on the on the seminary viewpoints. I got the links to that up on Facebook live boldly battling mission headwinds because there definitely there and one of the issues that we've alluded this several times. We just have a lot fewer workers is a lot fewer people going on the foreign mission field, or even interested is and that the reality absolutely that's been seeing over the last 20 years, where 20 years ago became stagnant and now there's actually been a consistent decline. As far as numbers are concerned and reasons are complex and at the same time it some level, relatively simple to understand.
Now this is going to sound a little country and but has the fact that because I think over the last 50 or 75 years is kind of been an explosion in an short-term mission trips so were to take 20 people think. I knew mentioned earlier taken over 1500 students on short-term missionary trips is that part of the problem in an interesting way that were gonna hey what we've done some of that stuff but were not thinking about long term commitments yeah and yeah I short-term trips are both a blessing and a bane there a blessing and that they expose individuals to what God's doing of the world and to get them outside of their own comfort zone so all those things I think can be very helpful. And certainly they can be an encouragement to missionaries that are on the field. The pain side of it is is they can can become Christian tourism you go you take pictures, and one thing I hate about short-term trips as and on any team that I lead no one's ever allowed to take a selfie because individuals gone swimming were impressed.
They take selfies with all the nationals and with all the sites they go home and will box you that I love that and that's for adults is not just for a bunch of 13 so that that's a really powerful point. Speaking of younger people obviously there is a movement Jens the millennial's, particularly are all about humanitarian causes and from a Christian simply he-man. There's all kinds of humanitarian causes.
We need to be involved in. We can do all that kind of stuff but we leave the gospel behind is that one of the issues as well, yeah, and the Bible is very clear we should do good to all, so digging wells in Africa. After they have water. Good thing helping them with trade coffee I I understand those opportunities but also appreciate that's not the great commission and at times those good things can actually steal from biblically better things and biblically write things in their ceiling energy of their ceiling focus there stealing money if I can phrase that wider and to me it's not an either or it can be a both and but there should be a priority. I think from a biblical perspective from for New Testament church planting and for the reproduction of the gospel in foreign cultures do you think there's and I run into this myself.
I think there's an increasing number or an increasing percentage of evangelicals even better, afraid to to really boldly deal with the gospel, because it brings you into the exclusive claims of Jesus Christ and right now in this world, especially in the American context and that is not popular at all's I think a lot of people are just afraid of saying they hate Jesus is the only way will boy that's gonna box me into a corner and believe it or not that's actually one of the reasons why think short terms of trips are valuable because what happens is we get over into a country like China or India are Turkey and you actually see national Christians living out their faith. They don't have that same fear and yet their persecution is real and all of a sudden were actually work were put to shame, and I think appropriately so well II don't want to get unfriended that could be the end of the existence of the social media will talk to Brian trainers is a professor at Bob Jones University school of religion, or admissions has its day come and gone for us Americans will be right back back at Steve Noble to Steve Noble show it is theology Thursday with her friends at Bob Jones seminary Bob Jones University talking to Brian Traynor today is a professor there in the Bob Jones University school of religion, just a reminder like when I've mentioned the blog post from the day and on the blog post is a blog post that goes on the viewpoint blog at that at the Bee Gees seminary to the blog post that accompanies us every Thursday. So this Thursday as we talk about boldly battling missions headwinds last Thursday we talked about King James version only-ism which got a lot of interesting responses I heard from a lot of people in that one before that we were talking about addiction that we are talking about Biblical manhood and biblical womanhood.
We also have a pastoral resources available there. So we gone down a lot of different roads will continue to do that every Thursday. The easiest way for you to see all that is our friends at Bee Gees seminary's actually set up a webpage to make it easier since seminary.BG you.edu that's the seminary address beat seminary.BJ you.edu E EDU\radio okay that's it in your lender to find all these blog posts are also unifying pastors for you that are listening.
You can find pastoral resources thereof also get a link on Facebook live today to the all in daily community, which is a pastoral community for pastors only on Facebook and there's all kinds of resources there to help you in your job as a pastor, and resources to use with your congregation as well. So that's why we do this to glorify God to talk to each other and in the radio audience Facebook live to use this kind of wisdom and talent that they have at the seminary and in the University as well to bless all of us because the vast majority of us, the overwhelming majority of us are not in seminary and were not even in university classes anymore. So when we can bring professors of Brian's caliber in here every Thursday. To me that's a no-brainer.
That's why have done theology Thursday for years is to tap into that because otherwise it's just reserve for the students that are there, but I think all of us need that kind of training but there's a lot of resources for pastors and churches as well. So go to that website. It's super easy to get to seminary.BJ you.edu\radio and again Brian, thanks for being with us today. It's just great topic great. Thanks Dave welcome. One of things you mentioned earlier like China others. A lot of countries especially that the unreached peoples are in very difficult countries because their close countries. So when we think about close countries, especially countries in the Middle East. We just have to at this point because of the political realities on the ground. Should we just going to say yeah will we can't really go there anymore. It is funny but admits geologists have kinda changed the lingo from restricted access countries enclosed access countries to creative access countries highlighted. I guess that concept of key on sounds a whole lot better than then ran it. I think might my answer to that is one we can't just say no because that is where the bulk of the unreached people groups are eyeing 55% of the front tier people groups are Islamic and 45% of them are Hindu so that's where the gospel needs to get you to get their work and I have to use creative meetings, which means that the way that we train young people or future missionaries has to be different. So many missionaries are so many countries now.
If you have missions on your diploma you're knocking to make it into the country.
You'll never get a visa. So thinking in terms of businesses missions thinking in terms of training other nationalities and Filipinos think Indians and in the Chinese they can go anywhere in the world/setting up training institutions in the Philippines and then allowing them to go into the Middle East and allowing them to go into some of these countries that we don't have easy access to. I think there's lots of creative ways that that we can fulfill the great commission in areas that Americans don't naturally have access right now. Yes I'm talking about that, what about the role of social media. The digital realm. The Internet, because we can communicate with people all around the world. We don't have to show up there to get to them.
Brian, we can just reach them on the Internet is that is that been a problem in terms of foreign missions, feet on the ground. It has a significant technology is a great tool. So I think getting the gospel and all of those social media platforms is is incredibly of valid way of getting the gospel and but at the same time we have to remember that the great commission ultimately has to be incarnated.
It has to be fleshed out with real people and so getting people on the ground is still a vital need of just purely from an economics perspective. I hear people saying this I and you should hear other countries saying Americans don't censure people anymore. They're too expensive or too clumsy, just send us a check. Yeah. And for what it cost to to support one American missionary and we can support 20 nationals and my response to that is economically that makes sense and I think that there's some balance that could be hasher sure. Ultimately, the great commission is go make disciples and so were not off the hook just by sending a check, you and I think everybody needs to put this in her current context I think we've all learned the lessons of masking and zoom and not being in person, you cannot replicate in the zoom like this, you and I sitting in a room doing a radio show together would be very different than us doing it on zoom. There's just a contact in a personal mess in a sharing the same physical space that cannot be replicated well care for use of virtual reality are what you're using.
You cannot replicate it. We all know that now, because the guy ask is this week in my classes. Brian, the ones that I teach here for high school homeschoolers to be something really specific that you think before this year's were coming up on Thanksgiving and a bunch of them said meeting in person because you cannot replicate that on zoom digital social media. You cannot do that. That's a problem for a lot of young people so we have to be face-to-face. You have to be on the ground with people in order to disciple people probably think it's a big deal. You mention economics. We don't get much we don't get much in general. So I would imagine that's probably hurting the foreign missions effort across the board and I saw, I can't validate this but I saw the number the other day that Americans spent more money on Halloween costumes for their pets. They actually give the missions in a given year, as though I can't validate that with empirical data wouldn't surprise me at all if that's not the case.
And so, again, part of it is a crisis mentality that we have during the covert part of it is a transition of leadership within Washington that provokes hesitation within our parts.
Part of it just quite honestly is just a simple materialism where we just need to have that next thing that our neighbors have and the process of all that just cuts off what God is doing in the world.
From a financial perspective, things we talk about is American evangelical talking to Brian trainer and theology. Thursday he's a professor of Bible studies at the school of religion of Bob Jones University is the fact that okay hey you know it. Nobody similar missionaries nobody's given more money nobody puts more money into the foreign mission field in America and now we look around and and and much of the church growth in the world. I'm talking the universal church is outside the confines of our country so is it is it we were thinking Brian that perhaps the baton is been passed. His other church movements around the world. It's like the evangelical church in America's own that's capable of this yet and I hear that phrase thus pass the baton and are very hesitant about that because that suggest again that our role is over so I don't like that that that this figure of speech, pass the baton but I clearly like the idea of partnering with other nationals. Is there some discussion right now Stephen which country sends out the most missionaries whether see United States or whether it's Korea I simply say that Korea, Brazil, Peru, Germany, Kenya. Other countries are catching up with us and I think that's a good thing I love to see international partnerships form from a global sure active at the same time. I still think that as the wealthiest country in the world. We certainly have a responsibility to be in this area yell at a great point.
So is as we look towards what we do about this some kind of the momentum is a come out of this busy identifying the problem, what's what's behind it and the in the blog posted a boldly battling missions headwinds that whole idea of a head one thinks of sailing, and so you can have a headline that can actually be turned into an advantage. So I will unpack this for the rest of the show, but as we move into this would have to be intentional, doesn't we know we've got a problem, but we have to intentionally address it in order to make some progress.
Yeah, and that's where I think I'd love to see pastors all speak to them first and foremost because I am want you pastors have have to take the lead on this and we have to get out in front of the congregations and remind people of great commission living from a personal perspective, assuring the gospel with your neighbor, even to the extent of reaching multiethnic groups within our own community. Again within our church within our community. I we have a lot of Hispanics. We have a lot of Chinese. We have a lot of Indians asked a lot of French and Germans and the question is how are we going to reach them. To begin with and then I think we need to become very selective about this proactively going to young people in particular and saying would you consider missions. I think we been far too passive and challenging the next generation as a relates to foreign missions because that's what drove me to the mission field in the first place is a study I did that was I think experience in God by black could be and he knows can hate look where God is at work and when you notice that your invitation to go with it. I issues with the other other parts that study, but that one really was kind of softened up the soil and then I was at a church at the time that was really active in foreign missions, but that was the pastor calling us all to engage at least to go on a short-term formation which really changed everything for me and by the way, we've got some pastoral resources that's gonna be at the website as well. Seminary.PG you.edu\radio to help you in your church or pastors and most of us are pastors that are watching or listening today but share this information with your pastors especially like the all in daily page on Facebook that specifically for pastors with all kinds of resources.
Pastors can be a very difficult job were shrinking. The pastorate is shrinking. We've got more pastors over 60 than we do over you under 40, which is why the seminarian by Bob Dylan seminaries doing the 500 x 5 x 5 to crank out more more more pastors of the next generation. But it's got to start the pulpit but what about the rest of us will get into that when we come back. Theology Thursday. Brian trainer is what this is Steve Noble will be right back and looking back at Steve Noble to Steve Noble, show theology Thursday with her friends at Bob Jones University, the Bob Jones seminary Bob Jones University is who Brian trainer is teaching at now professor in the BJ's school of religion were talk about foreign missions today are we done with that in America is that that we can opposed foreign missions in the American church and were really struggling with that. It's deftly stalled out is in a freefall yeah to a certain extent. It is, and we been talking about how do we get there an hour talking about moving forward and really looking at something that that is on the blog post today, which I've shared the links for on the Facebook live page and I shared it on my regular pages well so you can check that out and get over the blog and read it for yourself or a lot of this information that were sharing today's coming straight from the blog post which is really really helpful and thought-provoking but talking about this windward vision for the seminary. In particular, but for all of us as Christians and so as we can look at this you mentioned.
It starts in the pulpit with the pastor really helping us understand great commission you mentioned this earlier, a missionary supporting sending going but we all have a role to play and then whirling to learn that I think from the pulpit early. I think it has to be modeled in the pulpit will having missionary speakers and it used to be every church at a missions conference and right here. I don't see that happening anymore and Sundays become very territorial for pastors and and I understand part of the reason why. At the same time. I think churches would Ashley be helped by catching a global vision know what's happening know absolutely well on that front, the second point in this plan is a renewed inspiration to even advance the gospel. I don't know. This is one of the challenges I'm kind of a recovering culture warrior. So one of the challenges I think here in America we talk about we save America we don't often think about seeing American save Jennifer, not thinking much about singer neighbor say then I think were thinking much about seeing anybody save around the world. So don't we need kind of a renewed inspiration to advance the gospel and may not cut right now we come to get the hunker down survived mentality. I think you and I think one of the things and I'll go find her from the pastor from the pulpit into the family. I would love to see parents re-ignite with their students and reengage with with their students with with her children on the start reading missionary biographies Lester having missionaries in our home will start praying for them on a regular basis.
Those types of things will make a deep impact on a child from elementary school all the way through. I think one of the things we'd realized through that process is that America has actually had difficulties in the past those difficult days.
Did not slow down the advance of the gospel as she spurred the advance of the gospel and so it keeps our vision where it ought to keep it and so making missionaries, he rose again, both historic ones, and even current ones I think will help inspire that vision for the gospel. My worst 17 year home school family, our youngest of four is a is a junior. So were almost done with that season, but when our kids were a lot smaller. We have a whole shelf full of of it, easy to read missionary biographies and so they heard all the stories and they were really young, but I think most of us don't know much about that. So I was going to ask you Brian were talking to Brian trainer from Bob Jones University school religion if if if you would suggest to us like three or four missionaries that would be a good start to really come to light a fire under us, or hopefully inspire us of what missionary biographies should we look into yeah I'll mention three or four and at the same time. I'll make sure that they get on the blog site. Great XLT don't catch them there available.
Perfect ivory mentioned admiring Dotson, who is considered kind of the first American missionary went out to the country of Burma in 1812. There's a biography by Courtney Anderson is the author and is called to the Golden shore. Wonderful, wonderful biography, quick read looks a little thick, but you would get through quickly. Second, Amy Carmichael's biography or that of the biography of Amy Mark Carmichael entitled the chance to die that she, written by Elizabeth Elliott MLN ship yet. Jim Elliott gave his life and Ecuador, but Elizabeth was a phenomenal author and her story of Amy Carmichael will just grab your heart when I got engaged to my wife. I was just coming back from India didn't have enough money to buy a diamond ring so I gave her a dozen roses and that biography I thought is about as romantic as I got together on the mission event anything on the life of Hudson Taylor Hudson Taylor. If there is the simplest book is called Hudson Taylor spiritual secrets and again short little book, Hudson Taylor was an English man who served in China really opened the door for the inland of China, a well worth reading, and I could have probably three or four others that without any hesitation, but all put on the blog site for listeners so that's that's that's the inspiring part. We know we we talk about hate talk about the Avengers movie. Let's talk about Capt. America is all kinds of movies that we see in popular culture that inspire us to get emotional about it, but these are stories because I remember just sitting there listening when my wife was reading 70 stories and pick them up myself. And then when I was in taking classes for my Masters degree at Southeastern Baptist seminary just like the this is like a meet. These are amazing stories. These are incredibly sacrificial people, brave people and it's amazing to see what God did, so I think we need some of that we need some some inspiration, but then we need to make a commitment to it. Only it's one thing to be inspire, but we gotta kinda take a step in.
And that is where it the simple clichés we gotta put our money where our mouth is and that involves obviously from a budgetary perspective that involves churches prioritizing missions again and re-again engaging at that point but I'll even go a little bit beyond that I'm one of the back to the family just for a moment I I'll say this, and it weathers. Believe it or not I can tell you experientially is the truth. When I interact with college students and I say would you consider going overseas. The number one answer I hear is my mom and dad told me I can't do that. My mom and dad have told me that is too dangerous overseas that they want their grandchildren close that we we need to have security and safety and so part of commitment is is is prayer is money, but it's also releasing our children and our grandchildren and simply sing God you gave them to us. They're not ours and working to get them back to you and that might mean a they're going to go give their lives overseas and I can't think of anything that would be more painful and at the same time, anything that would be more eternally rewarding than that because I've seen them aware of many families who there.
There sons and daughters and even when they got married took off and went to the foreign mission field and in their having families and the reason their kids and their kids in other 6000 7000 miles away. I mean it's a huge sacrifice and it's a very difficult subject, but oftentimes that when I talk to parents about this, or even students say you know what what you do in your when you're 12 greater your 11th grade or 10th grade or high school students. As you know what I really feel the Lord's calling me to work with children.
I think I want to teach clarinet the fourth-graders and you know what happens is in the going that's like $28,000 you are knocking to make a dozen of money that's a nice thing to do but maybe you should build a career first and then stuff like that you should do one on the side. I think that's a lot of Americanism that's crept into our understanding of mission and so we put material success ahead of spiritual success, but I love that idea that hate.
Let they're not ours anyway and we should be prodding that and that then I think all market with the two oldest ones both went on some mission trips to Canada with their church. I mentioned our oldest son who went with me to Iraq and our daughter spent 30 days in India on a mission trip in and that that that's monumentally impactful. I mean, I don't know that I can quantify that she'll tell those stories to her children into her grandchildren, of what God did in those short 30 days and to me that that's a priceless experience as it releasing our children releasing our our our our finances releasing our energies toward what God is doing in the world today to me is a priority. I want to go back to something and and I can want to finish this with this, but we talking about enabling people on the ground where they live, enabling the natives people that lived there, the indigenous people versus us going ourselves and considering the loss here in America and the lost around the world. Specially the unreached people groups as we finish up just with a couple of minutes help us keep Brian, land the plane and and some questions. Maybe we need to give ourselves a look in the mirror and ask about our role in all this.
I just want to make sure were propelling people forward as we finish up. Yet even as we think about missions were not talking about going even necessarily the one place in living our whole lives there. The ultimate task of missions is to equip the national so that they can do the work of the ministry so that they can leave their own churches and so that they can support themselves. One of the worst things we do emissions and we done it historically is colonialization where we go in and kinda take control the situation where to go and as humble servants sharing the message of the gospel, helping them to understand God's word and then quite honestly get out of the way. Let the Holy Spirit do the work with the word of God and was so exciting is to see those national churches then take root and start reproducing and to have the joy of Ashley seeing if I can phrase it this way, spiritual grandchildren and great-grandchildren, vast, vast multiply up of the ministry of multiplication and thus far better than just addition yeah such a great point once again reference my home school students. Again, I've asked this question, yet this year, but I'll get to it.
I've asked in the past is that if you get asked Jesus one question, what would it be any get a bunch of interesting questions that come out of these high school students and then eventually one of them will say will Mr. Noble, what would you ask in this still is the system I answered my answer for six or seven years at AIG, every Lord I want to know which one of the disciples. I can trace my salvation all the way back to Senegal in 2000 years of exactly what you just said. Brian yeah so Paul is planting churches which plant churches which creates it disciples which creates more churches with screeches and and that's worldwide movement and every single one of us that the believer today can trace ourselves back to that somewhere in there is a Peter Paul who is and that's just amazing to me and that's something that we all have a chance to be part of that story moving forward or is that that to aggressive doesn't get better than that. Yeah, that's a pretty cool thing and that's why were all called to be a part of this Brian trainer professor at the Bob Jones University school of religion hold onto second rank of her and pray with everybody on Facebook live in you to live in the dumper. Thank you so much for being with us today has been a great honor and pleasure of my joy so much. You're very welcome. Okay friends again to go get the blog post I put it up on my Facebook page I put all the links there that that's a little easier. Okay so just go to the Steve Noble page on Facebook you can look at the Facebook live today share this so that other people can be involved in this conversation. Plus, you can get the link to the VJ seminary bludgeon seminary radio page that has the viewpoint blog resources for pastors. All that's there just of the Steve Noble page. This is the noble unseasonable show theology Thursday, God willing will talk again real soon.
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