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Learn more at AmericanExpress.com slash Amex Business. This is the Rich Eisen Show. Okay, Jay, if you leave the Dallas Cowboys, you can't come back until the 2030 season witness dictated. Are you going to sign it live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles? The Rich Eisen Show with guest host Mike Hill. Earlier on the show, Steelers writer for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Ray Fittipaldo. Coming up, NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero, host of the Jim Jackson Show podcast, Jim Jackson. And now, sitting in for Rich, it's Mike Hill.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our number two at the Rich Eisen Show, Mike Hill. And today, once again, happy to be back with the fellas and feller.
Chris Brockman, TJ, everybody. Shout out to everybody behind the scenes as well, man, that makes this show so special, man. It's such a great environment here. I love it here. I can come back anytime. Anytime you guys want me, I'm here.
Let you know. All right, well, if you keep acting right, you'll keep coming back. Wow. I like that. Acting right.
What's that mean? Acting right, let's come back. You see me coming back, right?
Appreciate it. You know, I realized the last time I was on the show, Rich kind of gave me some information, some inside information about how you guys feel about me behind the scenes. I love that, man. I don't even know where that came from, to be honest. It's wonderful. Yeah, you know where it came from.
You know you love me, TJ. Well, it's like we say about having team meetings and then it leaking, right? Like, Rich had no right to leak out what our team meeting was. Apparently, the team meeting only lasted 30 seconds, but we talked about a lot of things. A lot of things.
Yeah, yeah. We're going to talk about the Joel Embiid situation coming up as well. Hey, and just in case you missed it, big news for the Colorado Buffaloes.
They got top quarterback in the nation, Julian Lewis, who decommitted from USC, has committed to the Colorado Buffaloes. Here's what he had to actually say about playing for Deon next year. Yeah, no, I mean, of course, I'm excited to learn under Coach Shermer and Coach Prime. I was talking about it the other day. I don't think there's a better person to learn how to read defenses and coverages than Coach Prime Deon Sanders.
So, I mean, just trying to kind of grow mentally with my big thing. Yeah, he was on the Pat McAfee show, just made that commitment right there. Of course, he's one of the most talented quarterbacks out there in the nation. So, for Colorado to get him, that says a lot because over the last couple of days, speculation back and forth, if Prime was going to leave.
First of all, there is no way in hell Julian Lewis is committing to the Colorado Buffaloes unless he is pretty much assured that Prime is going to be there. Because you're not going to decommit from one program because of USC obviously having the issues that they're having and not knowing what's going on with Lincoln Riley and all that type of stuff like that. The unshortness there, I just made up a word. I don't know what that means. Unshortness?
Unshortness. You're not sure. And then commit to a Colorado program if you don't know the coach that you're committing to is going to be there. He didn't have to make this decision today. So, there had to have been some kind of assurance from Prime. I don't know what it was that he's going to stick. Now, this changed my mind and I can admit when I'm wrong because I just said an hour ago when I first came on here that I am pretty much sure that Prime is leaving Colorado this year. You were like, bam, he's out. You said it with your chest.
But here's the reason why I said that. Now, Prime has a new show out on the streaming network. I'm not going to mention because we're on the streaming network too. But he called I Got Time Today with Roxy Diaz. And here he had Ice Cube on the show with him.
And he was talking to Ice Cube about his future, which Adore Sanders actually leaving the team going to the NFL. Here's what he had to say. Your son did the doggone thing. Yes. Like your son doing the doggone thing. Your two sons are doing the doggone thing. So tell me this. Yeah. What would you do?
You and my situation? Help him get to the next level. Come on. Any way I can.
I'm going to do that. Yeah. But shouldn't it go past that or? What do you mean past that?
Let him go to the NFL, continue to coach his son. Hey, you know, come on now. Why not? Let's see if it's in the Raider uniform. Yeah, no. Come on, baby. Oh, man, don't get beat acting a fool. You know what I mean?
That would be a dream come true as a fan of the Raiders. Now, obviously, that was something that was taped days ago. But if you're the head coach of a prominent program and there's speculation about your future, you're not joking about that. You're not even I know it's entertainment. I know it's part of the show and you want to get buzz for the show. And obviously, that's the first episode of the show. You got buzz. You even know that Prime has a talk show now.
So that's buzz. But when you know that there are recruits out there like Julian Lewis before he committed that are thinking about your program and you got other coaches, you know how college coaches are. Oh, he ain't going to be there.
You think about going to Colorado? He's not going to go. He's going to the NFL. He's going to follow his son. He only cares about his son. He only cares about Travis, nobody else and all that, you know, doing everything they can to throw, you know, cold water on Colorado in the program and primetime and everything like that.
You're not even playing like that. So at that time, when I heard that yesterday, I'm like, oh, I was kind of vacillating going back. When I heard that, I'm like, he gone. He gone. He's not, he's not staying in Colorado if he's even playing like that. But then the news comes today. So I'm confused as hell.
I don't know what I got to believe. I have got to believe that he's staying in Colorado and coaching these kids because Julian Lewis would not commit to that program. You guys feel the same way? Are you on board with that? I was on board with Dion entertaining the NFL.
If the right situation came around, it seems like the Raiders, you know, are in a really good spot because they're going to have a high draft pick to take a quarterback, which they desperately need. But that would also be one Dunning Antonio Pierce, which, you know, Mark Davis, I don't think really thinks he's already, he's still paying Josh McDaniel's. Yeah. And I don't think he wants to pay. I don't think he wants to pay, you know, three or four years, whatever's left on an Antonio's deal to pay him not to coach there. Right. And then you got to pay Prime.
That's bad business. Then you got to pay Dion top, you know, top level money. And then you got to draft his son pretty much. You pretty much want to draft his son.
So I don't know, I guess when you really talk it out. And now this, I mean, look, Julian Lewis is a number two ranked player in ESPN, stop 300. He's not going there to play for someone else. You know? Yeah. I mean, because the Colorado program, regardless like Travis Hunter, obviously, you know, should do a Sanders or the star athletes that are Heisman contenders right now.
But that program is prime that program. The reason we're talking about the reason we have so much hype around Colorado last year that people got sick about because of prime and his personality, what he brings to the table, his marketability. And you can tell, like, since he's been there, Colorado's exposures, like the, the, the, the, you guys boxes every other weekend seems like big noon kickoff is we're doing their game this weekend. We're doing the Kansas game this weekend. They're in Kansas city to do the Colorado Kansas game. They were there last weekend.
I believe too. No, they were last year, last weekend too. No. Are we?
No. I think you're at Ohio state, Ohio state, Ohio state, but we're, we're covering the week. We have the Kansas city. We have the Kansas Colorado game this week on Fox, but yeah, we're at Ohio state in Indiana, but yeah, absolutely. So, but we did Colorado a couple of weeks ago. If not last week, we do it all the time. But the reason why people even talking about Colorado, even in the mix now and the big 12, if it wasn't for prime time, even Colorado having the story and the season that they're having, if there was another coach that turned Colorado around from a one win team two years ago to a team that is, you know, what are they eight and two now?
Yep. It's getting some exposure, but it's not getting the exposure that is getting, that it would have gotten. It's getting like, okay, it's a great story. And the big 12, we're talking about how the big 12 might be down a little bit and okay, this is great. So, but it's not getting the hype. Obviously also having two Heisman candidates on your team also gets you a lot of hype too with Travis Hunter and Shandor Sanders and all that type of stuff like that. But Indiana is a great story in college football and Indiana doesn't get as much hype or love as Colorado does. And they don't talk about their star players.
We know about Curtis Rourke. I know because, you know, I cover college football, but it's not getting the hype. Prime time is Colorado football. And so once again, you're not getting a quarterback like Julian Lewis to commit to Colorado unless he knows that Prime is going to be there because Julian Lewis obviously has, you know, dreams I assume to go to the NFL. If Julian Lewis is there at Colorado, obviously the eyeballs will be on them.
There will be, especially coming off this season, say Colorado goes to the college football playoffs. They lose Shandor. They lose Travis.
You keep Prime. More hype is coming next year. Even without Travis, even without Shandor, Prime is still there. The sidelines still packed full of celebrities. Yeah, Warren Sapp is on the coaching staff. Warren Sapp is on the coaching staff. You know, you got Ed Reed coming and helping out. You got T.O.
coming and helping out. You got the sidelines full of rappers. And it's almost like, remember when Prime played for the Falcons back in the day and the sidelines used to be full of entertainers, MC Hammer and all those before the NFL started saying you can't be on the sidelines during the game or whatever. This is what Colorado football is now with all the athletes, Kevin Durant, everybody coming out there. I'm pretty sure LeBron will be out there.
Everybody comes out to watch Colorado football game on small sidelines. Prime is Colorado football and you're not getting a guy like Julian Lewis unless he knows Prime is going to be there. As good as Pat Shurmur is as the offensive coordinator, even if they elevated him to become the head coach, you ain't getting him. He ain't committing this early. He definitely ain't committing that early.
He's not. But once again, Julian Lewis knows that if Prime is there, TV cameras are going to be there. His game is going to get exposure.
Even when the team won four games last year, Colorado still got some exposure. Even if you hate them, going to get some exposure. Even if they're not doing well, exposure because it's almost like Floyd Mayweather in a sense. He's so good at what he does, but there are a lot of people out there that love to hate them and want to see them fail. Yeah, they're tuning in.
It's like the Howard Stern thing kind of back in the day. They're tuning in because they love them. They're tuning in because they hate them. Because they want to see what they want. They want to see what he's going to say and what he's going to do next. There's a contingent of people that want to see Colorado succeed. They want to see them do well. There's a culture issue as well.
There's a culture difference too. Because if you look at like, Colorado has become what Miami kind of was. Miami back in the day. Minus the championships. Miami back in the day. Love to hate them.
Georgetown basketball back in the 80s. True. It's a culture thing where there is a large contingency of black people that watch Colorado football that don't even like football.
Don't even like college football. But they like Dion. But they like Dion. They like Prime. They like the swag that comes along with it. They like the flashiness. They like all that type stuff.
And then there's another side of people of all races and ages that just don't like Prime. They don't like him because he is cocky. Because he is what they call arrogant or whatever. I don't think he's cocky, arrogant. I think he's confident.
I think he backs it up. Well, we also know him. Oh yeah, we know. And we know what's for show and what's the real person. And so we can kind of differentiate that. And we know what he brings to the table when it comes to the kids. That's what I'm saying. Like, he doesn't get enough credit for that when it comes to the kids, how much he actually cares about the kids.
People just saw when he, what happened when he first came in and, you know, the talk of like, I'm bringing my own luggage and it's Louis a lot of time. He didn't basically say, Hey, y'all, y'all can go to the transfer report of you, but if you don't fit in, if you're not here to win, it was a one win team two years ago. People forget about that. Colorado was the worst team in FPS two years ago. It was bad. It wasn't even close, man. They were getting blown out in games for him to even turn around the team and win four games last year to win, go three and one in the beginning.
And then four, one of the, I know they lost seven in the last eight games, whatever. And people like, Oh, this is Terry, this seems to, I'm not going. I knew I'm like, he's building something, a culture.
He even said it last year. It's like, Hey, get me now. Give me now because we're coming. We're coming. I'm bringing the people I'm bringing in.
And even in the transfer port issue, cause it brought people in last year. They didn't work out. Hey man, you're not working out. Hey, that's what you got to do as a CEO. So if things ain't working out, the people aren't aligned with what you want when it happens to be your goals and things like that, if they're not aligned with that, what are you going to keep them around? Right? Why would you keep them around? You got to bring in your people.
You got to, you got, you got to bring in the people that is going to help you get to your goals and align with what you want or whatever. And that's what prime did this past season. And look at the defense, man.
Look at the defense was giving up 34 points a game last year, giving up 22 points a game this year. Or even more importantly, look at the old line that was just getting Shador beat up. And then they went out, got the number one line and then they now look at that line. And I said this myself last year, Mike, it's as bad as it's going to get last year because from now on these kids are going to see the shiny object, right? Everyone's talking about, I want to go there. I want a piece of that. I want to be a part of that.
It's only going to keep getting better. I hope he stays. He can build a powerhouse in just a few years, man.
He's already done that. If they go to the college football playoffs, man, like look, the Hoosiers are a great story this year. If the Hoosiers get past Ohio state, obviously Ohio, Indiana will be the story of college football.
I'll give it to them. But if Colorado, you have to go on four and eight, two years after winning one game, goes to the college football playoffs this year with all the hype that's around them and everything, bruh. Yeah, he's building something.
He's already done it. The college football playoff is a television show. It is. Ain't no bigger draw on TV than coach prime. Ain't no bigger draw on television and football, football period than coach prime. See where he goes. Hope he stays in Colorado. Tom Pelissero, NFL network insider coming up next, talking about Thursday Night Football and what's going on with the M E S S mess, mess, mess.
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Shopify.com slash Westwood one. You got the name ice cube from your brother because girls were calling the house asking for you all the time and that you were too cool for your age. True. They were calling for him.
It's true. They were calling for him and I would pick up, you know, trying to holler at him. You know, it's like, man, he got a big head. You don't want to be with him.
You want to be with me. I'm a little bro bro. And he found out and back in the day they would, you know, if you had an old refrigerator, it would put it on the curb and you know, the junk man to come pick it up. And we had one on the curb down the street that was there for days. It was like, you know what? Slam your ass in that freezer on the end of the block. When they pull you out, you're going to be ice cube, you know, kids dying freezes, right? So, so, uh, when I walked out the house, you know, I didn't want nobody to call me O'Shea no more. I'm like my name ice cube.
And so it just stuck. They started calling the cube and never called me O'Shea since last one, uh, Jerry curl wigs used in straight out of Compton were valued at $15,000 each. I'm supposed to know about a Jerry curl wig. We had the real deal.
Jerry did our curls back in the day. And I've heard about gangs going in and stealing like wigs and extensions out of like nail shops and hair shops. So I don't think they cost 15,000. If they did, somebody got beat because someone was kind of tired. They needed work. Well, I'm just wondering if you were producing the film, you had to, you had to, okay, whether the wigs were passable or not. Yeah, I did. I did. I was really, uh, pretty anal about that because some Jerry curl wigs can look comical and it's, this was now no comedy, you know? So we had to make sure they look right.
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Call click Grainger.com or just stop by on the TV side. They were showing clips from an old ice cube interview, talking about the Jerry curls, whatever. I mean, he had the classic Jerry curls back in the day. Oh yeah.
NWA ready for the world. Jerry curls, you know, also had a classic Jerry curl. Yeah. He always says it, it looks wet, but it was dry.
Look wet, but it was dry, but it was dry. Prime had a great Jerry curl. I don't know what that means. Brockman has never had an activator in his life.
Never had to worry about like glycerin, activator in like 25 years. Yeah. Well, and you know, and black folks homes, a lot of pillowcases were messed up couches and furniture, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip.
Could never come with no crime. All you gotta do is follow the drip on the time. Pelicero had a Jerry curl. He's got good hair though. Tom's hair.
Yeah. Look at that hair right there. It looks wet, but it's really dry.
That's kinda, that's kinda my whole look here, Mike. Like eight hours ago, the secret secret, put a little coconut oil in there all day. Always looks like you're fresh. Tom's got a new mantra now for his hair. It was a new mantra. What's the mantra for the hair, bro.
It looks wet, wet, really dry. Yeah. And only for the hair. Yeah.
To the fellows in the studio. I never noticed how white his teeth were too, man. You get zoomed, Tommy P. Look at that. Look at that man. His gums are good too.
He's got a good dental plan, right? I think it's the filter. I think I'm on a filter on zoom.
I don't know, but yeah, they are looking, they're looking a little whiter than normal today. That helps right there, man. I don't know if you're mad or not, man.
That's what he's trying to get that. Let's talk some football. Let's talk about prime for off the bat. We was just talking about possibility of leaving Colorado, but now they got Julian Lewis here.
He's going to stay there. Is there actually a market? Are there teams out there that's like, Hey, you know what? We entertain prime coming here. We heard about the Cowboys and Raiders, but is there a big market out there for teams needing to head the coach that would be interested in prime?
Well, here's what I'd say, Mikey on the, on average, right? We've got seven to eight head coaching openings in the NFL, which is a pretty good number. And there are not seven or eight dialed up candidates who I'm like, absolutely that guy I think is going to get a job this year. So that does create some variance in terms of what the candidate pools are. Every team is going to have different criteria for what they're looking to hire in the process. Some are going to want experience, some like the, you know, the up and comers, some like offense, defense, some don't care.
They just want a leader of men. All of which is to say, well, we know as the Dion, you know, coach prime has won at the two stops that he's been, he won, you know, in his initial stop. And now obviously at Colorado, he's managed to do the same thing amidst all the attention, much of which he brings on himself, but all the additional scrutiny that he's got. So from that perspective and the fact that his name does still carry clout in the NFL, I think that if he were truly open to it, or depending on the extent to which he pushes the idea of, you know, only steering his son to a certain team, there would be teams potentially interested in at least having a conversation with Dion about a job.
Now, my personal opinion on this is Dion Sanders is perfectly made for 2024 in college football. You know, he's there to make money. The players, they're there to make money. Let's all make money together. We're going to compete. We're going to have fun. I'm going to get you prepared for the NFL.
I'm one of the greatest to ever do it. You can recruit, you know, the NFL is a little bit different. There's a salary cap, there's a draft, there's tens of millions of dollars, and you're dealing with, you know, adult men whose motivations might be a little bit different. Again, I think that one of the undersold things about Dion Sanders is the staff that he put together at Colorado. He's got a really strong staff with a lot of NFL names. I know you guys were just talking about what they're doing defensively. Rob Livingston, who used to be the Bengals coach in the secondary, is now the defensive coordinator at Colorado, and they've been one of the best in the country this season.
So, all those aspects are there. If I'm Dion, I'm thinking, I might be the only guy who knows how to work the system, how to win in college football over the long haul. I know he said recently he's got the kickstand down, but if he ever decides to put that thing back up, do I think that the NFL at least would have some interest in him?
Absolutely, because he's something different that we really haven't seen before. All right, we'll see what happens with Pran. I mean, if he goes somewhere, if he's allowed to actually, you know, get his son there as well, because a lot of people saying that the reason he would go to the NFL so he could draft Shidoor Sanders, and that doesn't quite work that way sometimes, you know, like if you're... You're getting hired in January. If you find out at the end of April, hey, he got drafted one spot above you, it's like, you can't back out.
Exactly, that's what I'm saying, it doesn't quite work out that way. It's a lot harder unless you were going to the team that's got the number one pick, because listen, back in the summer when you get all the early grades from teams, there's like a half dozen guys at that point who were like, first rounders or borderline first, second round, and not a lot of other guys who have managed to keep that type of reputation within the league right now. Shidoor Sanders, you know, at this point, I had a lot of questions just about the entire experience with him.
He's obviously a dynamic player, but he's played the best of all these guys. I don't know exactly where he's going to go. It's really early, it's November, he just accepted his invite to the East-West Shrine game where I know they want everybody who goes to those games to play now. It might be one snap for Shidoor in that game, but, you know, if I'm guessing right now, he certainly has a chance to be the number one overall pick, which would leave Deion exactly one place that he could go if that team's even looking for a quarterback.
All right, we'll see what happens there. Hey, the Jets need a head coach. Jets need a general manager. Jets may need a quarterback next year. What's the future look like? If you had a crystal ball right now, what's the future look like for the Jets? There's a lot of unknown. I think that's the best way to say it, Mike, and as much as Aaron Rogers may have contemplated the different directions this thing could go, you know, whether he's in the darkness or, you know, doing some of his plant medicine or whatever and thinking about all these things, the journey didn't look like this in his mind.
I guarantee you that. There was no way he was fathoming being three and eight at the bye. The head coach and GM have been fired and we're all talking about whether or not he's going to retire after the season. Here's the hard reality for Aaron Rogers. He turns 41 next month and right now, not only is he not prime Aaron Rogers who won four NFL MVPs, he's not even a good NFL quarterback at this point. He has struggled.
There are things happening right now and whether it is physical, whether it is mental, whether it's the emotional toll of just this snowball rolling the wrong way, you know, the wrong direction down the hill, Aaron Rogers doesn't look right and it's a hard thing for the Jets or anybody else to figure out exactly why that is. They do have him under contract for next season. They also can cut him and basically be out from under the contract immediately. For a long time, Mike, if you go back through time, Hall of Fame quarterbacks, they generally walked away and there's a long line of this at 37 or 38 years old.
Almost everybody walked at that age. There were guys like Warren Moon who played longer, obviously George Blanda, but he was mostly a kicker toward the end. Then Brett Favre played till 40, but Brett Favre's age 40 season was not good.
He got the most durable quarterback in NFL history, got knocked out of three games with the Vikings after deciding to come back after that magical 2009 season right up until he threw the interception. That's the guy that Aaron Rogers grew up watching and his career in so many ways, including going to the Jets at the end, has mirrored Brett Favre's career. I don't know what Aaron Rogers' intentions are.
I'm not sure anybody will fully know what his intentions are until he decides to reveal them to the world, but I think that it would be really hard right now, based on what's on tape, to find many, if any, teams going, you know what, if Aaron Rogers does become available, I'd want that guy as my starting quarterback at age 41, 42 in 2025. Wow. Yeah. We were just discussing that, that Brett Favre's not... I mean, Aaron Rogers is not that guy anymore. Maybe he's the last piece of the puzzle on a great team somewhere, but not the guy that's going to get you over the hump.
I mean, not everybody has... But is he even the last piece? That's the thing. We're not talking about, is he still a top five, top 10 quarterback? I think there's a real question of, is he one of the 32 best quarterbacks right now? I mean, statistically, you look at it and you just watch the games. He's missing throws. Again, is it in there somewhere? Maybe, but it's not coming out and it's confounding to the people in the building.
It's confounding to those of us. Listen, I covered Aaron in his early days. He's still the greatest practice player I've ever seen. He's been freaky in terms of the things that he could do, flicking the ball on the run and all that.
Well, some of that got taken away in terms of just getting older, coming off the Achilles. He's not able to extend those plays. When he's done it this season, he's gotten absolutely drilled into the turf.
And when he's playing from within the pocket, he's just flat missing throws that we didn't see before. Again, is that physically he's worn down? Is there some type of a mental block from the fact that missing the entire 2023 season and then coming back and maybe not totally trusting your body?
I don't know. I think that Aaron Rodgers is very much in his head. I don't think anybody else is in his head right now. He's going to have decisions to make, but the bigger decisions is for the Jets and the rest of the NFL. Do you want to bring in 41-year-old Aaron Rodgers in 2025 or does he take that out of the equation and say, you know what, no matter what I've said in the past, I feel it.
I wanted to give it one more run. It didn't work out and I'm going to disappear to the darkness. I think you make a really good point, both from a physical and mental standpoint, if somebody has had two achilles injuries, obviously in their play in the NFL as a quarterback or whatnot, but both mentally and physically, it's hard to come back after just one year, especially to play on that level. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe his best days are definitely behind him, but I think he's still a serviceable quarterback in a national football league with the right team in the right situation. The Jets obviously not the right situation. They got to buy this week, six weeks to go. They're still mathematically alive.
If they win six in a row, you get to nine and eight, you at least have a chance. Stop, Tom. No, stop.
I'm not even listening for you today. Can he find it? Can he find something? Let's see. If it looks exactly the same when they come back, Mike, in week 13, I just don't know that it's there. Again, the Aaron Rodgers experience is something that the Jets were going along with right up until the point at which he wasn't able to play at the same level anymore. Is another team going to want to go down that road?
There may be a situation out there. If he wants to play, he's a Hall of Famer. He's got four NFL MVPs. I just don't know really what you're getting at this point or what type of team is going, you know what?
We want to bring all that onto our roster. Well, maybe Woody Johnson should coach the team too because he wanted to bench him after four games, according to the reports out there. Who knows?
Yeah, that's a whole other thing. Listen, Woody is the owner of the team. He's allowed to ask questions. There's a lot of times in meetings where he's asking hard questions of people or challenging people's perceptions here, but this was not an out of the ordinary type of a thing. Woody has a lot of meetings.
The fact that he's having a meeting with his coordinators the day after a loss, that's unusual. These are all questions as they're searching for a GM and a head coach that people are going to have about just the environment in the building. Woody quite possibly will not be in the building much come 2025 if he rejoins the incoming presidential administration because he was the ambassador of the UK back in Trump's first stint as the president. There's a lot of moving parts for the Jets at every level right now. His brother, Christopher Johnson, when he was running the team, did, by all accounts, a really good job. He's a very different personality than Woody Johnson, but we have to see how some of those things play out. If they're beginning a GM search right now and then a head coaching search, one of the first questions is, what's happening with Aaron? Again, a lot of things can happen. We've seen stranger things in this league, but it's hard to imagine that plan A right now is, yeah, we're going to run it back again.
All right, enough of the MESS. Let's talk about some other quarterback situations quickly running through. Giants make the switch from Daniel Jones. They go to Tommy DeVito.
Why not Locke? Can you just say that they're trying to tank? Can you just tell me that as a Giants fan that this team is just trying to say?
I truly don't think that that's what it is. I think that, listen, they had to do something. Daniel Jones, since the start of 2023, was 3-13 as the starting quarterback. We can talk about the injury guarantee and $23 million.
All that's a function of sending them to the bench and demoting them all the way to third, maybe fourth string, depending how they end up scoring things out this week, with Tim Boyle now joining the practice squad here. But the reality is they weren't good enough. When they say it's a football decision, it was. They've stunk with Daniel Jones as their starting quarterback. And they've been trying to draw everything out of him here.
So, but then they had to make a move. With Drew Locke, he has played some good football. I mean, he started off hot way back his rookie year in Denver. He's had a few opportunities. He played well when he took over for Geno last year briefly with the Seahawks. But he hasn't had a lot of reps in the system. He got hurt early on in training camp, maybe it was the preseason opener, and then missed a lot of reps.
So he just hasn't had a lot of time on task in the system. Tommy DeVito, they signed him for a $10,000 bonus back in April of 2023. He's earned every opportunity that he's gotten.
And when he got to play, they were 3-3 with him as the starting quarterback. I also really do believe, and again, these are football decisions, but who's gonna buy you more time at MetLife Stadium before the fans get down your throats? Drew Locke or Tommy DeVito? With Tommy Cutlets in there, you know the building wants them to succeed for so many different reasons.
They think, hey, we can win. This is our guy. He's from in our backyard.
Good Italian boy from the neighborhood. He can get this thing done. Drew Locke's a really talented guy. If Drew Locke threw an incompletion on third down on the first series, he's getting booed. They're all getting booed.
Tommy DeVito probably gets booed too, but probably he has a little bit more time here. It adds a different storyline. It adds a different juice. They're betting on all that, trying to find a spark. And they're another team that's just trying to stay semi-relevant, keep players engaged, because they do have a lot of young talent on that team. They got to find ways to get the ball to the likes of Malik Nabors. All right, see if he gets the ball to Malik Nabors then. Let's see what happens there. Hey, hey, hey.
Quickly, some quarterback injuries. We'll accept that impression. I'm sorry, Tom. We'll let him fly.
The black Italian, yay. I want some spaghetti. I'm going to put some lorries in my spaghetti. No, no, no. Don't do that. Okay. I'm sorry. Because if he comes back with something, then you know where he's from.
Come go off the rails. I don't let Tommy P, though. I think Tommy P got a little something. I told him he can come to the cookout.
That's my man right there. Tom already knows he's good. Tom P. Okay. Quickly, quarterback injuries. Give me an update on Brock Purdy and Jalen Hertz. Brock Purdy, from everything I've been told, should be fine for this game on Sunday against the Packers. He's got a sore shoulder. I know he dove. I'm not sure if that's the play, but he dove for the pylon in a game last week. Might have landed on it a little bit, but it's not anything that's a major injury. They want to ease off him in terms of the repster of the week. Didn't throw a whole lot in practice yesterday. I fully anticipate barring some type of a setback or surprise, which sometimes can happen with throwing shoulders. I believe he'll be in the lineup against the Packers. With Jalen Hertz, this is kind of a unique thing because he had a rest day before their last game, and then Nick Sirianni said in the press conference, oh, it's the ankle, but the ankle wasn't on the injury reports.
Then it was, no, no, no. It's rest. Now they've kind of found the in-between, which is, well, he is resting the ankle. Jalen Hertz said that this is all part of the plan and the program that they've got him on to continue to build strength and be ready for the long haul here. Whatever it is, he's been playing on it.
He's going to continue to play on it. That Eagles offense that people were poking so many holes in early in the season and based on how it functioned down the stretch, they're tough, man. I was at that game in Cincinnati where it was tied late in the third quarter, and then they kind of poured it on. That's where you saw with A.J. Brown and Devante Smith back, they got the explosive passing game going again. They got a guy in Kellen Moore's, the OC, who's long been known as a pass game guy. All of a sudden, he's on the team that leads the NFL in rushing and rushing attempts. They've found a really cool balance.
They've got a really talented roster there. Obviously, he's managing something. Again, another guy who it's been reiterated to me over and over, he's fine.
It's not a big deal, so fully anticipate that he's out there. Man, this is how quickly people turn things around the NFL. Six weeks ago, people have given up on the Eagles. They were going through all the injuries with Brown and whatnot.
And, oh man, Sirianni's in trouble. And now we're the top five teams in the NFL, man. Just stick with your team sometimes.
Just stick with it. Tommy P. That's the Eagles, man. That's the Eagles. Tommy P, a great NFL insider and also a man with great hair who should be in the head and shoulder commercials with Patrick Mahones and Troy Palamalu. Let's make it happen.
We co-signed that. I'll pop up on Patrick's other shoulder. Palamalu's over here. We'll get me over here for Patrick. I like it.
Did you just give me blue steel with your look? You just can't kind of get that done. Okay. Okay. All right.
I like it. Okay. Tommy P, always good seeing you, my brother. All right, Tommy. Thanks, Mike. See you, buddy. Tommy.
Tommy Palacero right there. All right. You know, the Jets, such a mess, man. Let me tell you something right now. I'm going to give Aaron Rodgers. I'm going to apologize to Aaron Rodgers. What?
For what? I'm going to apologize to Aaron Rodgers because a lot of people out there, and I think a lot of people should apologize to Aaron Rodgers. Not the quarterback he used to be. Obviously, he made a lot of mistakes.
He's still not the most likable person in the world, but everybody was blaming him for having the head coach fired. Right? Everybody was saying that he was the one that Robert Salah got fired because of Aaron Rodgers, right? Yes. Right?
Are you on board? Yes. Did Aaron Rodgers have enough power to get Robert Salah fired? If you're hearing Woody Johnson after week four.
When Rodgers is playing pretty decently. Okay. But this is week four. No, I know. Woody Johnson at that time wants to bitch him. I know. Meaning that, hey, I don't necessarily want to see this man on the field. He's not my quarterback of the future.
Right? So how is it going to go from week four, if Woody Johnson said that about benching Aaron Rodgers, that Aaron Rodgers has enough power to go to Woody Johnson and say, hey, I need you to get rid of Robert Salah. Think about it. Am I on to something? Am I on to something? I'm smelling what you're cooking. He doesn't have enough power to go to Woody Johnson and basically like, and Aaron Rodgers, if we found out in the press weeks later, Aaron Rodgers found out beforehand, unless Aaron Rodgers did like some kind of Jedi mind trick and said, hey, you know, it ain't me.
And Woody, it ain't me. It's Robert Salah that's holding me back. That's the only way that he would have that much power to have Robert Salah fired. And the GM and Douglas, he doesn't have that power. Like he, he hasn't played well. Right. So how does it, so for everybody out there that blamed Aaron Rodgers because of the body language that he gave when he pushed Salah off and all that type of stuff like that, and the team was struggling or whatever, that believed that Aaron Rodgers had Robert Salah fired, apologize to Aaron Rodgers.
If that's the only thing you ever apologize to Aaron Rodgers about, apologize because he did not have the power apparently to be able to do something like that. Just thought about that. Sometimes I'm brilliant. Sometimes just thinking like, this is my mind goes, man, especially, you know, we're in LA, we can do certain things.
I'm just like sitting back, you know, doing certain things and I'm like, huh? Yeah, that makes sense to me. And y'all know what I'm talking about. TJ, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense. And then you wake up next thing. I'm like, what was I talking about?
Cause you forgot, you know, it's one of the side effects. That's why I don't have a job. You have got to be smoking something over there. Yeah. Once again, it's legal. It's legal. What are we talking about next?
What I'm trying to look at the rundown. We're going to take some more phone calls. Let's do it. Call us people.
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Oh, with a lead foot. Yeah. Pretty much. Okay. Um, I got four aspects of Cincinnati and I want to know if you're already ready to figure out about this city.
Just I'm just picking that city out of the blue. Yeah. Okay. True or false Cincinnati. True or false with Joe burr, everybody. Uh, true or false.
It's the birthplace of Academy award-winning director, Steven Spielberg. False. Is that true or false?
I have no idea. It is true. All right. That's number one.
Uh, Play-Doh was invented in Cincinnati. True or false. I'm going to go out on a limb and say, all of these that you're saying are true. Okay. It is true. Now just hold on a second.
Just because you can read a defense doesn't mean that you can read me right now. Okay. This pre snap Cincinnati is the side of the United States biggest celebration of Octoberfest. That's true. Okay. You see, you do that right then and there about the parties. Yeah.
Have you been to an Octoberfest? Okay. Or you have to talk about it with your team first.
We'll have to talk about it with your team. Uh, and the number one radio station in Cincinnati is WKRP. That one.
I have no idea before his time. It's false. There's a famous TV show called WKRP in Cincinnati. That is way before your time.
Have you never heard of it at all? Gosh, darn it. I'm older than most college college football players, but I'm not that old. I mean, we've heard you're older than Lamar Jackson. Uh, yeah.
He was in my recruiting class. Yeah. Okay.
A couple, couple months, I think. And if you had one choice of a meal, would you pick crawfish or spaghetti with chili? Oh, crawfish. Really?
I don't like, I don't like, I don't like all the, uh, Cincinnati cuisine as far as all that stuff. Not yet. Great. Great.
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Again, create an account redeem code, spell out rich, R I C H for $20 off download game time today. Fellas. What time is it? It's time to take a phone call. Um, Mike and Richard has been holding on for a while. Mike, what you got, bro? What's up Mike? Mike, you there?
Mike, talk to me. Okay. Hold on. Hold on.
He's got a cricket. Is that Michael? Michelle?
Yeah, that's me. What's up, Mike? Wow. Super. Listen, you guys have a great show. I love the team.
Uh, Chris and TJ and you're doing a great job, Mike. I'm calling about steelopathy. Um, a term that I had to coin because as a lifelong Steeler fan, um, I started watching 69 actually as a kid and, uh, the steelopathy, which I'm coining is the neurotic repetition compulsion.
And that's when you stubbornly repeat the same pattern, even though it's not working. Um, Mike Tomlin's a great coach. I'm going to say he's great, but not as great as he could be. Um, because he overplays his strengths and ignores his weaknesses and just doesn't improve. Here's some examples of why he's not Belichick. He had objectively poor pick of Canada for offensive coordinator and then stuck with him too long. Um, same with Kenny Pickett, objectively poor pick stuck with him too long. And Trubisky almost the same thing.
Um, I watched the preseason and Mitch, uh, excuse me, uh, Rudolph, I'll play them both, but he was QB three and wasn't brought in until their season was gone unless he saved it. And he did. Um, so the other things running on first down, my best estimate is 85% of the time they did it against the best run defense in the league, um, against Baltimore, the, um, the yards putters well below what it is when they do anything else, if they better we ever do anything else.
So he, and he and he keeps doing that. Now that was pre Tomlin. That was Steelers for going way back. Um, the, uh, the running yards per carry is better when they run on other downs and first after they pass on first as best I can figure. It's hard to get all that, but, um, the defense is stressed because of that, which means they aren't at their best game because they're tired. Um, so I just think they give away too many points, make games way closer than it should be.
Haven't said all that. Aren't you happy with the season that you're having right now? And what, in your opinion, would be a successful season before we let you go?
What's a successful season this year? Yep. When, when the offense is a little more creative, um, they don't predictably it's so predictable. I mean, I watched Tony Romo make fun of them and it's true. Okay.
Well, this is where you do this and it would work great. Exploit their weakness, but this is Pittsburgh. So they're going to run it up the middle and it's working out. Success would be, they quit doing that. Okay. I think they're a better team.
They got a great record, but, um, they, they should have been better and the close games shouldn't have been so close. Okay. All right. Well, we'll see what happens the rest of the way. Mike, appreciate the phone call, man. Good luck the rest of the way, man. You ain't taking it.
Okay, man. Yep. See, Mike, it's a long time steward fan right there.
That's 69. I mean, like he's been there. He's seen it all. He's seen the steel curtain. I mean, like he actually saw and remembers the steel curtain.
I mean, like up close and personally, like that's, that's why I gave him some love. I gave him some time because like, you know, they had a lot to get off his chest. All that success that this franchise has had, they still have expectations, which goes along to my point. If you're in Pittsburgh, you don't appreciate what you do, but on the outside looking in like, man, there are plenty of teams. I was like, okay, well, it's a good organization.
They're always there. Like, you know, they're going to have a good regular season. At least how many of us have had teams that we've had like, Oh, I don't even want to watch the rest of the season. Like after week four, like, Oh, I have no hope. The season's over. Right. I've been a giants fan for a long time. That's been my way outside of two years ago, the way for the last five or six years that like after week five, like I don't even want to watch the rest of the season.
Right. You're hoping for, you're hoping for losses. I'm hoping for losses.
You want a better draft pick. But with the Steelers, you know, Hey, we're at least going to be competitive during the regular season. More than likely we're going to make the playoffs. We get into the playoffs. Anything happens. You got hope.
At least you got hope. And that's all you can ask for sometimes because only one team's going to win the entire thing. The only one team is going to win the entire thing. You're going to have some, sometimes you're going to have a dynasty that few franchises have dynasties. Like the Steelers did in the seventies, like Kansas city has right now, like the Patriots had in the early two thousands, 2010, few, few, few Dallas Cowboys, few teams have dynasties that you can rely on.
Like we expect to get it to get to the super bowl every year, man, consistency matters when it comes to a fan base and giving your team hope up until the final weeks of the season. Sometimes I think a lot of people would take that, but once you get spoiled, man, you know, you just want it all bottom line, but y'all got plans this weekend. Anybody got plans? Any, any good plans? Hmm. CJ, you got any plans?
No, man. Last weekend was, was a sports filled weekend with fights and boxing matches. And speaking of that, did you see, um, um, the, the, the promoter for Jake Paul, the co-promoter addressing that the fight was rigged? Well, there's been a lot of, uh, you know, conspiracy people on the reels and the talks of, uh, you know, pointing out that Mike had some opportunities to really flatten them and then, uh, mysteriously didn't throw a punch. All I'm saying is as great as he looked in training, we didn't see that Mike Tyson from training in the ring that night.
Sure. Now I don't know what the contract says. We may never find out what the contract says, but it was like, if he knocks him out in a certain amount of time, he's not going to get paid as much or whatever. Mike was in there for a payday at the end of the day. I knew Mike was in there for a payday when he had that interview with that little girl who was 14 years old.
Yeah. And he talked about a legacy and we're just dust and all that. Mike, Mike, Mike trying to get paid. Mike don't give a damn about this fight. He got supported.
He got 20 million, $20 million. And so if there was stipulations in the contract that stated that if he knocked them out early on, that he wasn't going to get paid as much or whatever, cause he did pull a punch. I saw one where he had him, Jake was wide open and he actually stopped. He pulled his punch. He could have knocked them out right there.
And anyway, he caught me. I got caught up in it, you know, thinking that, okay, we're going to see the old Mike Tyson. And what we got was an old Mike Tyson.
We got an old Mike Tyson. I mean, the only thing slower than Mike Tyson in the ring that night was the Netflix feed pretty much. A lot of buffering. The stream. That was the only thing slower.
A lot of buffering. Mike got a better chance of winning. Mike got a better chance of winning the spelling bee than the boxing match these days. I'm telling you this about it. I don't care. I ain't scared of Mike no more. I'm not afraid of you, Mike Tyson. I don't care. I'll challenge you in the ring anytime, buddy. I'm not afraid.
After what I saw again, Jake Paul, right? Yeah. But see, you have a contract that stipulates he can't knock your block off. Exactly.
Exactly. You're not paying Mike 20 million to stand there. Because in the street fight, it's a whole different story, Mike.
I ain't scared of you, Mike Tyson. Did you hear he chimed in on TJ and the Cowboys? He chimed in what?
On TJ and the Cowboys. Okay. Mike said, big boy, come on. Sign the contract. Sign the contract.
Sign the contract, TJ. I just want Mike to know that it's Mike Hill. Who's the one who's talking outside of my neck.
The other brother on the show. I can't believe y'all after what you saw, you afraid of Mike. Again, again, you won't have a contract stipulating that he can't pull a punch when he rolls up on you in the mean streets of El Segundo. I care about you. I don't want you to do this. I don't want you to go out like that. Mike Tyson, I'm not afraid of you anymore, man. Wow. Your legacy. I'm not jumping in. Everything that you've built up, man.
I know you're 60 years old now, Mike. You know, you go to the bar and one of your buddies is like talking smack. Like, come on, man. I don't want to fight tonight. You're on your own.
Brockman, you know, O'Shea and I, we have on our wrestling podcast, like what four wrestlers would you want to help you fight out of a bar? I'm not helping you in this one though. So I'm going to take that question out because you brought this upon yourself. I ain't scared, bro.
Don't let the light skin fool you, bro. Mike, whenever, whenever I'll pee my pants. I wouldn't even just pee my pants. Hey, it's Rich Eisen here. Join me in my compadre, Chris Brockman, every Monday on the overreaction Monday podcast, which Jamis has taken the browns to the playoffs. Dude, why can't they win seven, eight games to finish the year? Why not? I'm not saying that's no, why not? But this is a definitive statement. That's clearly an overreaction and it's perfect fodder for a show like this one. I appreciate you coming out of the gate hot. Come react or overreact with us overreaction Monday, wherever you listen, it's game over, over, man.
