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I am the heel that you love to hate, O'Shea Jackson Jr. Hey, yo, it's the TOO JIGG2JG, TJ Jefferson. And we are here to bring you part two of the Mark Henry interview. But before we get into that, yeah, man. There's some things that we need to discuss, TJ.
Yeah, brother. Sports Illustrated came out with the list. You know me, I love a good list. Yeah. I love a bad list.
Lists are great, but Sports Illustrated came out with their top 20. Greatest WWE wrestlers of all time list. And of course, anytime you do something like this, you're going to cause a ruckus online. And that's exactly what this list did. As you can see on the screen there, we have coming in number 20, Becky Lynch, all the way down to number one, Stone Cold Steve Austin.
A lot of people have taken umbrage with this list, though. Shea, your thoughts. You know, I I look at this list and I really want to hate it. You know, there's like, there's something in me that's like...
Something's off about this. But I I mean When you look at body of work, When you look at what they've brought in as far as growth of the business and yada yada yada and the moments that a lot of them had. It's hard to kind of pick. Where you think somebody should be hired? Number one, right now, I'm gonna tell you right now, I don't give a damn.
Hulk Hogan, you might as well not be on my list. But you better take your personal feelings out of it and go. I'm just saying, for O'Shea Jackson Jr., anybody who knows me knows how I feel. And Terry. You just don't do it for me.
Um, but I would think, um There's a part of me that doesn't, and I understand that it's a, it's a. Weird time. But it's hard for me not to see Brock on there. A Greek Brock Lesnar, dude. That's a bad dude.
He's one of, in my opinion, he's put himself on one of. I mean, obviously, I don't even need to defend Brock Lesnar as one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. When Brock decides that he wants to sell for you, he will sell for you. When Brock decides that I don't need to sell for this guy. He won't.
But the fact of the matter is, you look at the body of work and the career. He's the final boss before The Rock was the final boss.
Well, actually, The Rock was before him, but you know what I'm saying. The Rock wasn't the final. The Rock wasn't the final boss technically yet, at the point where it seemed like Brock was the final boss. That's what I'm getting at. Yeah, look, the 20 names on this list, I'm fine.
Like, you can move one here and move one there, blah, blah, yada, yada. But the most glaring omission to me when you see 20 greatest WWE wrestlers of all time is the man who many people would put at number one on their list, the nature boy Ric Flair.
Now, I can understand if you go. He achieved most of his success outside of WWE. But that's kind of crazy to me when you consider he's a two-time world heavyweight champion, former Intercontinental champion, former tag team champion, and a member of one of the the best factions evolution that we've seen in this business.
So You say that, and then I go, okay, well, what about Chris Jericho? He started off in WCW. Absolutely. But I will say, despite the fact that I was down with Chris Jericho in WCW. He got his Biggest push.
He became the biggest star while he was in WWE.
So I can understand. But Any list like this that leaves Ric Flair off is a list that personally I just can't co-sign. I can't put. My signature, I can't sign off. I can't, you know, dictate it, not read.
I can't let that go through without pointing out the fact that. A list without Ric Flair is just not a list. Yeah, and it's. It's very lists are always touchy. They're always touchy.
And it's subjective. Yes, exactly. That's what we have to understand. That's why I think we weren't as mad as a lot of people were because it is subjective. It's how you enjoy your wrestling.
You have to understand that. I remember when Apple just recently did the 100 greatest albums of all time. People went ballistic. Absolutely. You know, they went nuts.
So lists are always good for that. We have to understand that these are somebody else's interpretations. But Ric Flair and Brock Lesnar not being there is crazy. But at the same time, I'm like. Who do I feel comfortable with?
Taking off. Taking off. Yeah, that's the problem. To put two people, taking two people off that list. I'm not.
I'm not taking. Becky off that simply because Was she dead? When the man was, you know, at the height of its hype, it was crazy. Yeah. I had never seen nothing like that.
And it was so genuine. It was so authentic. And Everybody was a a Just Hell yeah. Like, when you see Becky, when you heard the music, when she took on the moniker, she was so over. It was like.
She was the female stone cold. Like, it was so crazy around. The wrestling world, she, you know, you're not taking her off. Like I said, I got my things about Hulk Hogan. Never liked Chris Jericho, but that's because he's good at his job.
He pissed me off as a kid. Dude, you know, he's a really nice guy, but like, there's nobody that I feel comfortable. Taking off, I mean, the fact that they even did a top 20 lets you know that there were some arguments in the office because it shouldn't, you know, 10 wasn't enough, yeah, 10 is not enough. And, like, man, it's just crazy not to see Rick and Brock. Yeah, Rick on there.
So, you know, I kind of just threw down the other day just a list of names. That basically, I gave a list of 20 to go against this list. Maybe we have our own war games or you know something, but 20 wrestlers who, and like, you know, no one in the back knows this shit. I just jotted down 20 names that didn't make this list that feel. If you take the WWE out, you would have to say.
These are 20 of the greatest of all time.
So we have Ric Flair going back, you know, because I like to consider myself a historian somewhat. Lou Fez, one of the greatest NWA champions of all time. Gorgeous George. He was the first, I think, really big TV sensation that came. You know, first TV star in the world of wrestling was Gorgeous George.
Then, of course, you've got Harley Race, eight-time NWA champion, one of the toughest men. Live, as every wrestler would tell you back in those days, Bob Backlund. That's your guy. You know that Bob Backlund's my guy. Look, he was really devoid of charisma.
I can admit that. He wasn't great on the mic. But in terms of what wrestling was there, matte-based, believable. You want a guy who could stretch somebody. You want a guy who, if a work turned into a shoot, they could handle themselves.
Bob Backlund, despite the fact everyone said he looked like Halley Duty, would. roll you up and twist you like a blunt. Yeah. People knew that as well. They didn't test Bob Backlund.
You don't get to be WWF champion for six years without being special, without. filling the house without selling out Madison Square Garden. He did that. He deserves to be on there. Then you got the Terry Funk.
Another guy, Dusty Rhodes, Buddy Rogers, Antonio and Noki. We mentioned his name last week. Real G's moving silence like Vern Gagne. You know, Dory Funk Jr., Nick Bockwinkle. If you want to talk, Japanese wrestlers, Masawa, he was one of the greatest.
Like I said, along with Anoki, Jack Briscoe. Ricky Steamboat, Kirk Hennings, Sting. You know, Brian Danielson. Another guy who's one of my favorite danceling in the great Muda. I mean, my goodness, Eddie Guerrero is not on this list, man.
Like, come on, Rey Mysterio, Jushin Lager, Hashimoto. Okada, Omega, like Tanahashi, Nakamura, Terry Gordy. Rick Martel, there's just so many people who can make a list.
So I understand. I'm not really going to get on the list too bad because. I understand it's almost an impossibility to lower that list down. I just wanted to give a shout out to some wrestlers who I feel a lot of people would say should be on that list, and some of those guys. And I didn't even mention the women.
My favorite wrestler. Male or female. Can you take, do you know who it is? You're a faith of all time? No, no.
Just Oscar. To me, Asuka's the goat. Asuka to me is the best, the greatest women's wrestler I've ever seen. She's my favorite. I'd love to see her on this list.
Uh, you know, Charlotte Flair recently should be on this list. Wendy Richter. Who, you know, when I was a wee wee little baby watching wrestling, she beat the great Mula. She was like the first woman wrestler I ever really knew was Rundy Richter. And there's so many more, Bull Nakano.
I mean Lavani Kai, like I can't the fabulous Moolah, you know. May Young, there's so many women that could deserve a young list. Mark Henry is about to beat your ass if you say May Young. I just said she deserves to be on the list. That's all I'm saying.
Just waiting, bro. But yeah, so it's interesting. I, you know, I'm hoping in the comment section of all our socials, you guys let us know who do you think? Should be on this list. Who'd they get right?
Who'd they get wrong? Who'd I get right? Who'd I get wrong? Let us know. Holler at us.
Side note: because you brought up Asuka. The greatest. I want to make a public announcement.
Okay. WWE. I will never. Ever. Ever.
Forgive you. For making Asuka. And Shinsuke. lose at the same WrestleMania. I'll never get over it.
I know why. Why would you bring it up right now? I'll never get over it. You see me? I'm starting to shake up, bro.
I was so hot. I'm starting to shake up because you know who my second favorite wrestler is? Nakamura. Shinsuke Nakamura. And I'm telling you, born February 24th.
That's my birthday. He is someone who, when I start getting it heavily in the wrestle kingdom, I think the first Wrestle Kingdom I watched was 2010, so it might have been Wrestle Kingdom 7. And ever since then, every year, since then, last 14 years, I'm up at 3:30 in the morning. Watch him wrestle kingdom. Kenny Omega once lost.
The IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. I didn't feel his shoulders were pinned. I put a tweet out. He responded to me at 4 a.m. in the morning.
That's why Kenny Omega is a guy I really like, you know? But yeah. Nakamura, I feel like he should have gotten that title off of AJ. And when it comes to Asuka and Charlotte at WrestleMania, my buddy John Pier Marina used to be a writer for WWE back in the day. And, you know, hopefully I will have John on because he can tell you a lot of the stories behind the scenes stuff, what he goes into creating characters, how matches are made, and so and so.
But we were watching together, and you know, Asuka was on the undefeated streak. Yeah. And I was torn. I'm like, I kind of feel like maybe she'll lose because I don't want the fans to turn on her because you know how fickle fans are. She never loses.
But then she lost to Charlotte, and I still to this day have not gotten over it. Yeah, it upsets me. The Shinsuke and AJ Styles. Yes. The little blow thing happened.
Yeah, like. And I understand that there is. I'd like to say that. Get him a manager. Very easy.
Get him a manager, man. Like Shinsuke, the most charismatic wrestler, maybe I've ever seen is Shinsuke Nakamura. And if you're only basing it on what you've seen recently, and we haven't even seen him, like, I'm going to put Shinsuke on the side of a milk carton. Where's my guy at? Yeah.
I miss him. First of all, when you concaptivate the audience with your theme song and you have them singing along, right then and there, that's a recipe for success. He had that. Charismatic. The moves just...
You know, he was like if you took Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury and put them together with uh you know bruce lee That's what Shinsuke Nakamura was in I'm still holding out hope that one day he'll get one of those world titles. It doesn't look like it's going to happen, which is really upsetting to me as a Nakamura fan. But we'll see. We'll see. I'll I'll uh We still trying to get guests around here, but I'll tell you where he went.
I'll tell you where he went. Anyway, get ready for that. Part two of the Mark Henry interview. World's strongest man. World's strongest man, a great guy, great storyteller.
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Now Mark, we gonna Take it back a little bit because obviously we know about your amazing feats of strength.
Now, growing up, were you always this Hercules? Talk to us about growing up a little bit. You know, what that life was like, and were you always this beast that we know and love? What was happening in Sillsbury? You know, I always was.
From a little bitty kid, I got childhood pictures. And I'll send y'all one when we get off the show. When we get off, y'all can post it if you want to. Like all my childhood photos mainly of me flexing, posing. Like I was the incredible hulk or Um You know, at 10 years old, I was 220 pounds.
So I was big, like you see, other kids my age. And you would think that. You know, at 10 years old, it was a 14-year-old playing with them. You know, and you know, I look 14 to 15.
So I got in a lot of trouble because, you know, being a big kid. The the kids used to pick on me. And And I said that he likes you said you watched the documentary. I said in the document, if it was big and it was black. That's what they used to call me.
I was Fat Albert. I was Hey Kool-Aid, Mr. McGilla Gorilla. Bing. Hulk, anything that was big.
I mean, I know the Hulk was green. But they kids, they stupid. But like, I got tired of that, man. It just weighed on me. And I got in a lot of trouble trying to smash everybody that.
disrespect the men. you know, almost ended up in jail. Mm. Mm. So Mark, I First of all, that's always crazy to me when kids pick on a big kid.
Like, don't you see this size difference? Yeah. Do you understand what could happen if this kid decides to retaliate? Better career choices. Right?
So it just never gets. You're right. Kids are dumb sometimes. The market don't make no sense. And the parents, they would get mad at me.
You know, of course. Justifyly so if I had A kid doing the stuff that I was doing.
Now trying to do that to my kid, I would be mad too. But like it was it was me retaliating. And Um I've always been kind of sharp. Like, you know, I felt like I knew more than the average little kid. I was exposed to.
A lot too early. Um Um Um Basically, we'll just, you know. Do what I wanted to do and dare anybody to say anything like Um That that's not a good a good thing because you know those people usually end up Uh did it in jail. Um My mom told me that, you know, somebody was going to kill me. Because people is going to get tired of fighting you.
And one day somebody's gonna shoot you. And that was just like, you know, when I went to, when I went to Juvie, I was a good kid till I went to jail. You know, once I got in there and I started meeting people that. Had assaulted people, and this was a boy that. Made a dude drink, made a kid drink Drano.
Like it was all cute. Man, like I was with some real killers. And I ain't want to be that.
So it sounds to me, Mark, like you weren't a bully necessarily. Like you said, this was retaliation for people. I just retaliated. And, you know. The Old Testament is the Old Testament.
We live in the new. You know, you can't do that. There's no eye for eye. You know, and it took for me to be. 14 before I realized that.
So, Mark, tell us where did this weightlifting journey start? Do you remember the first time you picked up a weight and it felt good? Nineteen seventy-six, I saw the Olympics. the first time and I wanted to be The gad that I saw. But Celia, you're next year.
And I begged my mother for weights and she wouldn't buy them. Because I was a little kid asking for something. I didn't know what I was asking for. And then my brother was an outstanding football player. He was one of the top 22 players.
You know, they got the. rankings now, five stars and all of that. He was on the All-America Super 20 gold, Super 22. What position?
So, like the top 11 defensive players in the country, yeah, and the top 11. Offensive players in the country. They used to put him in USA Today. I remember that. And he was in that.
He was on that wreck-and-crew defense. at Texas A ⁇ M. The nose guard, Pat Henry, he was a mean, bad son of a gun. And uh He was like Deepo. And My mom bought weights for him.
But like every day, bro. Like I would go out and live them waves. And I would watch it, there was a TV show. They used to come on called body shaping with. Corey and Jeff East.
Yes. Yes. LESPN. on ESPN and I would go and copy it. And every day I would go outside.
I met Corey Everson, by the way. And I told her, I said, hey. You know that I learned how to live by watching you. And she was like, what? And I said, yeah, I used to watch body shaping.
And I used to copy all y'all shows. She just hugged me and cried, bro. She just could not believe that she had influence on me. And if you don't know, Corey Aberson, beautiful bodybuilder, weightlifter back in what, the late 80s, early 90s, Mark, like I said, I. Also, I was a good.
Red-blooded American boy. You see what I led that off with? Beautiful woman. She was not hard to look at.
So, would you say the weightlifting you said you went to Juvie? Would you say that kind of saved your life or changed your life or turned it around? Oh, it saved me. It definitely saved me. Because I was on my way to hell in a handbasket, bro, with my granny.
Used to say Um I like lifting and football. Like they wouldn't even let me play for sports. Because, you know, every experience people had with me. was me putting holding a kid hand down and with a magnifying glass. and putting a boy face in a mud puddle trying to drown him and Like Body slamming a kid off of merry-go-round.
Like stupid stuff. Like, You had one time. Like I was on zero tolerance. I wasn't on. Hey man, don't pick on me again.
No. You picked on me and you got rocked. And Uh it just sucked. You know, like, um. I had people go to bat for me.
that I didn't even know. And the dude that was the main one. Um Um Mm-hmm. Billy Brisker. He told me that his cousin played quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Bubby Brister. Bubby Brister. And um He said, man, I just want to, I just got out of college. I'm doing this student teaching thing. He said, man, I got people that I played with in college.
that I don't think. Could be you. He said, you need to get your shit together. He said, man, you could be famous. And he was right.
And if it wasn't for him, man, I wouldn't be nobody. I'll be dead in jail. That's amazing.
Now, Shay, can I tell me? Mark, referencing back to the bio, speaking to people. who kinda gave you that push. Craig McGallion, the strength coach at Silsby. Yep.
He told you you could be special. They both were at University of Houston. And Craig was from my hometown. And I think he's a magallion.
So the McGallion family, his dad. was the athletic director in Sillsby. And um The A D. And So he came and basically went to work for his dad and brought the other guy with him. and from college and they were doing their student teaching.
So they could become coaches. And Frigg was the one that was like. Yo, man, um Have you ever lifted free weights? And I was like, You know, no, like, what's free weights? And he was like, We got to get you some freeways.
because I did machines and stuff and I used to lift the concrete weights. You know, like you go in the hood.
Some home. We would get like uh rims. and put concrete on them. and make our own ways. you know, like stuff like that.
It was very rudimentary. And um He was like, we got to get some freeways. And he. went to Mr. McGallion and they They started a powerlifting team.
And we won state. The first year we had a team, we won state. Mm-hmm. Because we work all year long. We never took no time off.
Like we were in the country. It wasn't nothing else to do, but either work on the farm or ranch. Or Do fences. They had a plant in my town that used to make Um Palettes. The pallets that they put stuff on for the ship.
Yeah, it was that's what it was called, wooden pallets. You know, people used to say, man. that's all you're going to end up doing is working out there at wooden palace And I was like, not me. Like, I'm doing something. They were like, yeah, you.
You're gonna go to jail then because all you keep doing is smashing people like, and I, and Craig, and if it were like Craig and And Billy, man, they... They opened the door to get me to play sports. Because man, I was on the Well, I was on a war pad. I'm still trying to wonder Who would look at Mark Henry, size him up, and go, Yeah, I'm going to do it. Listen, sometimes you.
You know what? The thing about it is. I never started nothing. If the people that you saw in that documentary in my town, You can go to my town right now and say, hey, will Mark here in Adelaide? And they'll be like, no.
Like marketing never started. but he finished it mark was mark was a finisher Right. That's like having a clean conscience. And I didn't, it could have been you. If somebody was bullying you.
And I walked up and heard that shit. I'm like, why are you picking on him? It was on, huh? Right. You picking on him because he's smaller than you?
Well do it to me. That's who I was. And I'm still that way. I just can't put my hands on nobody. I'll find a way to ruin your wife.
If I feel like you're being wrong to somebody. That's what's up. Absolutely. Now, when it comes to your weightlifting, I need to know. I need to know some numbers, man.
I need to know what are some of your best. What was your personal records? I squatted a thousand six. How old were you at this point, Mark? The most that I ever did in competition.
was 991. Um I bench press 601. Yeah. I did lift at 903 in competitions. But in training, I did 925.
Which My coach said that nobody's ever done over nine to 10. And I went, you know, to the record books. And nobody had never did 900. Wow. And free deadlift.
Like we're off the bar, off the floor with a real bar.
Now you go to the Arnold Classic. And they created this thing called the elephant bar.
Okay. And the L bar is longer. It's got more bend in it. The weight don't come off the floor that high. And You can bounce it and do a bunch of stuff that you can't do with a traditional.
straight bar. It's like There's a lot of science in lifting. One of the things is bending still with your hands. Like if you been cold roll or hot roll. Those are the two things that they put in.
uh skyscrapers and buildings Not rebar. Rebar, you can put that in concrete. They build regular houses and stuff like that. But like what I used to be in was the stuff that they built skyscrapers with. And Anything over 40 inches or under 40 inches was damn near impossible.
Um You know, I was bending stuff at 37 inches. and like three inches shorter. The like every every inch. that that you That you add gives you more distance because it'll bend further.
Okay. You know, with me. I would get shorter stuff because I didn't want nobody to Folk room. What I did. And I would hand my bar to people and let them walk around the crowd.
Pass it along. People would put it on the ground, put their foot in the middle. That's what I mean, fulcrum. where you make a point in the middle of two points. and you try to bend something you still couldn't bend 37 inch co-roll.
Can't do it. Like the guys that are the strongest men in the world today. Couldn't do it. If they could. they would be Mark Hennon.
Oh my god, what a bar. What a bar. I mean, Dr. Mike. Mark, how old were you when you started?
Of course. Yeah. And you saw how Arnold Schwarzenegger, like his character. He traveled the world with the thirst for steel. Mm.
Money didn't matter no more. He wanted accomplishment. He wanted men to battle. Before him was more. valuable than money.
I did that. I went to England and left the Denny Stones. I lifted the Africa stone. I lifted the Thomas Inch. Formerly known as the unliftable dumbbell over my head.
which nobody, when I said I was gonna do it. Everybody laughed at me. They like that shit been around. Since 1902, Mark, nobody's lifted above their waist. I said, I'll lift it over my head next year.
And I did. In a year. Y'all gotta stop. in one year. Like I lift a circus bell.
It's a 200 pound dumbbell. To my shoulder. and push press it over here. A lot of people have done it now since then. But during that time, Nobody had been able to do it.
I gave them the example and the technique. Of how to lift it. Tell them why it is special because 200 pounds is that heavy. Tell them why it's special. My wife came out here to tell me to put some gravy on it and to tell you why that lifting the circus bell and the inch bell.
were difficult because the handles or not Like you go to a gym. You know, you lift a one and a and a and seven eighths. Bar. Like The bars that I was lifting were like. open your hand like this.
They feel like two and a half to three inches. in diameter. You couldn't grip them. And And they were fixed. to the end of the bars.
So they didn't rotate. And Anything that rotates. you take away centrifugal force. And some of this, you're going to have to go to a kinesiology. or a sports science book, but.
Once an object is in motion, it stays in motion. That's science. The inch, I would have to lift it, grip it, and pull it, and then let it go. and then move my body. To absorb the energy and then to be able to lift it.
Nobody else on earth can do that, but me. I'm the only person to ever do that. And you know, so it's like when you start. uh breaking all of that down like it's Um is a lot of it is basic geometry. But a lot of it is also being able to know the information.
the process but also have the physical tools to be able to accomplish it. And there's, I'm the only person ever been born that. that was blessed with all those abilities at once. You know, it's funny, people want to call weightlifters meatheads all the time.
Well, I was about to say. Right here shows you that easily he's telling me these mechanics, right? And it's some stuff I'm never going to be able to do. I mean, I've heard him fuck on 1006. I'm still stuck on squad in the thousand six.
The 900 that like. Hey, you didn't ask me what I thought was the biggest flex. Of all time in lifting.
Well, Mark Henry, let me ask you: what is the biggest flex of all time? The biggest flex of all time. is I did a front squat. Weighed 832 pounds. Mm.
A front squad, not a back squad. In the front. As to cheats. As the calves all the way back up. 830.
I dare you to go try it. I'm not. I'm cool. I'm not going to make my legs blow out my back. I'm going to decline that mark.
I'm going to say no. This is going to cause a lot of injuries.
So please don't try this at home. World's strongest man guy today that's going to go try it. Yeah. So like I said earlier, uh uh on an earlier episode, please don't try this at home. What?
Don't try this at home.
So so Mark, how old were you when you started were you sixteen, seventeen when those you started really lifting and setting those records in high school? When I started doing stuff that was really impressive. Um I was 15. And that's when like Sports Illustrated and USA Today and People Magazine and all of these you know the elite magazines started Come in and wanting to see me. There's like, this ain't true.
Ain't no way that a 15-year-old kid. You know, lifted, you know, 800 pounds. And people will be like, no, no. I saw it with my own eyes. And then it started to spread.
And by that point, Dr. Terry Todd and Dr. Jan Todd. At the University of Texas, who housed the largest physical culture library in the world. They came to my town.
Because Tieri said. From a reliable source. I heard that Somebody saw a 16-year-old. Uh squat. uh 800 pounds and did live 800 pounds.
And Terry said, I got to see it with my own eyes. Because I know that they're pumping him full of drugs and I'm going to go expose their ass, and they're going to go to jail.
So Terry was coming to try to save me. And he came down there and was like, What in the Sam is that? And so, Mark, Terry was a pioneer in the powerlifting world, and his wife was. Yes, he was. You haven't Google Dr.
Terry Todd. And Jin was the strongest woman? Strength coach. There was never such thing as a strength coach before him. And he lobbied in every university.
To have somebody to do specific sports. Strid. Exercises for every sport. And whether it's golf, marbles, tiddlywings, whatever you play. Like you needed to have somebody that specialized in how to make your sports performance.
better so you didn't injure yourself. and you can get more you can maximize uh your abilities and do more uh weight and Um you know, increase your power output, allow you to jump higher. Um You there's a lot of non-lifting things. that you can go to Guinness and you can see Mark Henry. Mm-hmm.
I had a 10-foot standing broad jump at 400 pounds. That's insane. I had a 34-inch vertical. Like you can go online and look up You know, Mark Henry dumps the basketball. I've seen it in 1996, 93.
96? I mean, I dumped all through, you know, since middle school. But you had the Foot Locker Slam Fest, I remember. The Foot Locker Slam Fest was the heaviest that I ever was. That's when I was like 391.
I was almost 400 pounds. 1994, that was. And I was able to dunk. And People, I didn't know that that was a record. I didn't know that I was the heaviest person ever dunking basketball.
I thought every athlete could dump. You know, that's that's ignorance of youth. You know, I just didn't know better. We, you know, I love this movie called The Matrix. Yeah.
Because the matrix is basically is based off that book. Third eye blind. And Neo was supposed to be Jesus. Yeah. He was unplugged.
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They introduced me to Emilian Yankov and Angel Spazov. I say the great Angel Spazov because. Both of them were Olympic coaches. And Angel coached probably more Olympians than... Anybody in the history of the world.
whether it was uh weightlifting Tennis, soccer. uh women's basketballs Rowing Yeah, he was he was the head. of strength in sports in Bulgaria. And then he came to the University of Texas. And he was the strength coach for all women's sports.
Okay. and years and they won multiple championships. And so many different sports. And that was a lot of that was because they had great talent. but they also had a great trainer.
They had a guy that made them better. and you can go through the women's sports. at the University of Texas and asked some of these women. And they'll tell you, man, Angel got us right. I mean, besides your your your strength, I know your other superpower.
You be trying to hide it, but I know your other superpower, man. You said Back in the day, you said that you had a dream That you and Taker were at Mania, and it was wood on the ceiling. Yeah. So you have the ability to see the future, which explains this eye for talent that you got. Yeah, man.
You see the future in a lot of people that don't see it in themselves.
So, yeah, I know about your power.
Well, if you're paying attention, we're all starting to learn what his power is. My wife. My wife will tell you. J Yeah. I have dreams.
And I will say, did this happen? Because I just dreamed this And then it will be like. Six months, a year. and it'll it'll happen Yeah. And My grandmother had it.
She was clairvoyant. She could, bro, she saved my life. She told my uncle that I was drowning. And to go get us. And he was like, where are they at?
I don't know what. And she said, they're out at the blue hole. There used to be a big swimming place. where I grew up. And I'm I jumped in the water and got my foot caught on a rope that was holding.
A platform. And inhaled a bunch of water and I broke. I haven't found it. It was, I went up like three or four times trying to. Trying to get a breath.
And I finally surrendered and was like.
Well, f ⁇ it, this is it. And I feel an arm grab me. And this is my uncle Andrew. If he had drove Five minutes less, one minute less. I would have died.
She she was a seer. And like she gave that to me, and it's scary sometimes. Like when I when I saw Bianca Bel Air. or Braun Strowman or Baron Corbin. R.
J. Cargill Um Apollo Crews, Rich Swan, like You it is it's about 10 of them. They had no idea who they were. Mm. And no quote.
And for people who don't know what you're talking about, Mark, these are people that you saw. and identified them as people who would make great sports entertainers and Everybody knows every name that he just said. Yeah. Samantha Irvin. Samantha, yes.
Yeah. You know, I saw her on The Voice, American Idol, one of them shows. And I said, man, that girl is talented. And I reached out to her and I told her, I said, hey. You ever thought about pro wrestling?
You can use all your talents in wrestling. Like what you holding back for it look like you holding back And she said, what? Is this like the real Mark Henry? Because Yeah. There's about 30 of these Mark Henry's on him.
I said, um You tell your dad to call me. Because I don't like talking to girls on social media because. The obvious reason. Yeah, yeah, we get that. Yeah.
Like, there's so much scamming and all of that stuff. But also like when it come to my work. Like there ain't no room for that. You know, and Uh Each one of them girls And the guys will tell you. They get two speeches.
The first speech is. Don't disappoint me. You represent me now. You the first one there, you the last one to leave. If they tell you to do something, then obviously they know more than you do.
So do it. And secondly. You don't sleep with another wrestler. You don't date them. you know flirt with them You don't hang out with them unless it's work.
Um I remember the day that Uh Bianca Bel Air called me and said, I was about to say, she broke. I was about to say there's a lot of rule breaking going on. She said. It was it was hilarious. She said, um I really like this guy down here.
And I want you to meet him. But I told them what you said. And he really respects you. And he he don't. He won't go out with me.
Montez Four.
So Montez, I said, well, tell him to call me. And she gave him my number, and I got a call from Montez. And Montez said, hey, Mr. Henry, I never met you before. But like, I'm a friend of Bianca's and my first name, man, let me stop you, man.
I said, man, I know she hot, man. I said, but like, we don't do that in our business. I said, not us. Mm. I said The rules are different.
I was like. You can derail her career or she can derail yours. And he said, man. He said, I've been married before.
So I I know what love is. And he said, I realize now that I never was in love before because. Like meeting her Mm-hmm. It was love at first sight, man. This bell's ringing.
And I want to marry her. And I said, have you talked to her dad? He said, no, I want to talk to you first. Wow. He said because Bianca said.
that I can't talk to you. without you talking to Mark Henry first. Wow. And I said, hey man, you got my blessing. Call her dad.
Because if y'all get married. then that's something different. Yeah, if you're just kicking it, that's all that's wrong. He said, Man, like, I appreciate it. He said, I'll call you and let you know what he said.
And, bro, a year later, they got married. How about that? And Marks. She's obviously that's the only way that I'm going to be comfortable. And Ricochet.
Ricochet call me. Same thing. Same things, amen. Um Is it okay if I come see you? And I said Yeah.
Because I was at the arena. Um at a um at a show. And he walked up on me and we sat in the bleachers. And he said, hey, man.
So may have a Said that um You know, you have a policy about. you know, the girls not dating wrestlers. He said, Is it something that I did? I said, It ain't you. I said it's the fact that you're a wrestler.
Right. They are too close. Your work could affect hers. and her work can affect yours. What if she gotta kiss somebody?
You gonna be good with that? Are you going to derail her career? And he said, well, I mean, I guess I'm going to have to. Cross that bridge. I said, then you ain't ready.
Mm-hmm. I said, I think that y'all got to understand that this business is going to come before y'all. And y'all going to hurt each other's career. And he said, well, I never even thought about it. And I said.
Are y'all hanging out? Do you like her? Or do you love her? And he said. I love her, but I don't know if she loved me.
I never asked her. I said, that seemed like some shit you would ask her before you make this call. You know, you're trying to hook up and sh. I'm not trying to hear that shit. It's got to be real.
It's got to be serious. And You know, Braun Strowdman, same thing. You know, I don't put people business out in the street that Ain't out there, but You know. I think we all know who he was, Dayton. I don't know if they're still together.
I won't say it either. But there was a wrestler he was with. I'm not sure if there's anything. BUT Well, Mark, Mark, let me know. The people that went public with it, that's who I talk about.
Yeah, it makes sense.
Now Mark, she's when they they go public with it, not me. Right. She's one of the biggest stars in the business right now. What did you see in Bianca Belair that let you knew? let you know that What she's doing now is what she should be doing.
Her personality. Like Um She was in a CrossFit competition. Um Um The point is the win, right? Here. She's doing an event.
And then she turns a backflip. And then she does a cartwheel to the next event. And then she does that event. And then she does another cartwheel. To the next event.
Entertaining. I said, hey. Yeah. To myself, I'm like, will you stop doing that? Like you burning off energy.
You're gonna lose. She didn't lose. When you can showboat. And have fun. And you can still win?
Yeah. Special. And everybody else is breathing heavy and huffing and puffing and about to pass out. I knew what kind of shape, I knew what kind of work she did. She overworked.
She, she, man, it was. She was impressive. And she had a damn. Uh Mickey Mouse Boom. I saw that picture.
I saw that with a fluff with a fluffy tutu on. That She made because she just wanted to have flair. She wanted to be different. That's our excellent. That's a nice crock spin.
I watched CrossFit probably 50 times. I ain't seen not one person since her. That look like that. that do what she did. They got my attention.
There's a guy that They call him the fittest man in the world. I've heard about him, yeah. He also But I heard him talk at the Arnold Classic. Not a reference. Mm.
He can't captivate. He can't look he can't. He can't, did you ever see the greatest scene in a movie history? I'm going to see what you think the greatest scene is. The greatest scene.
I think the greatest scene in movie history is when I smashed up the office and straight out of Compton, Mark.
So I don't know if you. Oh, man, that was good. That was good. That was second to me. I mean, it was good.
Second of all time to pretty damn good. That's pretty special. But there's a movie called Heat. Oh, of course. And then you got Robert De Niro and Al Pegina.
Sitting at a diner. A diner scene, yep. And they're talking back and forth. And I stopped breathing, bro. When they was talking to each other like, hey.
This is a Curtis. It's not going to happen no more. Yeah. Like that scene. Was the realest Most complicated.
emotional transference of power. That I ever saw. It was like watching. Two boxers Fight. in a phone booth.
Mm. I'm this close to you. Like we right in front of each other. I could touch you. But I can't hit you.
And they just verbally. Beat the hell out of each other. And it left me going, I want to do that one day. Yeah. I want to be able to make people go, holy shit.
Yeah. You were great and straight out of confidence. Thank you, man. It was the light. Like you was really, really good.
But I thought you was good in the Mandalorian. It's hold on, 'cause you did this to me in Philadelphia too. I'm in Obi Wan Kenobi, man. I'm in Obi-Wan. Yeah.
That's called getting hit in the head a lot. And Obi-Wan. Like you in the caves and the catacombs. Like You were believable. when there were other seasoned actors that weren't.
I ain't calling no name, right? I'm just saying. I appreciate that, man. You look like the world was finna end. Oh, yeah.
Oh yeah. And there was other people that didn't match your energy. Yeah, that's a cosign, right there. I appreciate it. Take that with you.
Yeah. And Mark, if we're just going to drop IMDB pages, you can find your boy TJ in a beach football scene for this movie called Just Married with the late Britney Murphy and Ashton Kutcher. If you go back and watch that, you can see me playing football on the beach. But you know, I ain't trying to make this about me, Mark. Just married.
Directed by Sean Levy, who just directed Wolverine and Deadpool, who hasn't put me in another movie again yet, but I'm hoping he sees this. Hey, man, go swing it, man. Yeah, we'll get that clip out.
Now, speaking of scenes, I want to set a scene for you. And speaking of swinging, yeah, right. I want to set a scene for you right now. I can't wait for this. This is a question that we ask every single one of our guests that have come on, all Three, but we do, we are going to ask everybody on here.
Now, we've been anticipating this one. Yeah, I've been waiting for this one because you got a bigger pool to pick from. The scene is you in a. Can I interrupt you real quick? You usually say 50.
I know. That's up at the 75 from Mark Henry. No, you know what? I know because I think I know where Mark Henry's answer: 100. 100 men.
Okay. All right.
So you're in a bar, all right? A huge bar with over 100 people in it, okay? Is you And four Other wrestlers. B plus four. You got to fight yourself.
B plus four. Y'all got to fight your way out and get to the car. Who are the four people you're taking with you?
Now, we don't do all time, it's somebody people you've worked with, people that you know.
So no nobody before you. But who you taking with you? Guess 100. It's 100. We doubled the bars.
Yeah, we doubled it for you because I think he could take 50. The 50 is fine with you. I'm definitely gonna take Uh, Kurt Angle makes sense. Kurt, and I'm gonna take Brock Lesnar.
Okay, now we're talking. You could probably stop there, Kurt, and Brock and Mark Henry. I'm going to take Sheldon Benjamin. Yeah, okay. And Sean O'Hare.
Sean O'Hare.
Okay. So I'm going to tell you the story about the late Sean O'Hare.
Okay. The guy who I thought was going to be a big deal in the wrestling world. He would have been if he wouldn't have had issues up here. We at this club in Louisville, Kentucky called Phoenix Hill. He's dead now, so they ain't like they can go and find him.
This guy Sean used to have Black fingernails. Tattoos up his neck. He used to wear the the the um The jit black Hair. And you used to Do the eye black. Sundays.
as like makeup Like a horror movie. He was a weird bird. Mm-hmm. But that was a dangerous, dangerous dude. Yeah.
And I I this this Louisville dude Came up and was like, hey man. Why are you wearing makeup on your face, boy? And I said, Mm-hmm. You might want to leave him alone. You know, like being joked.
And Sean looks at me and he goes. You know, I wear makeup not because I'm ugly, I wear it because. I feel like it empowers me. And I'm looking at him and I'm like. Oh, that was not what I was expecting.
It doesn't And he said, well, it makes you look queer. No And you got your fingernails painted. He was like, hell, should I ask you for your phone number? And Sean stood up and I said, Sean, don't do it. Don't do it.
And before I could say don't do it three times. He kicked this dude. and locked him up like. Like two attack of the lower. I mean, he seized him, knocked him unconscious.
His homeboy ran. And it was like a Steven Seagal movie. He turned sideways, ran him into a bar. Bang! Uh Leg kick them.
broke his leg in Like Crack. The bone is sticking out. Compound. Yeah, that's a good opinion. And he turns around and he's like this.
Like a scene in blood sport. And I said, Sean, we got to go, man. And Man, I could hear like the rustling of all the security and. people screaming and all of that. Um It wasn't long after that that he killed himself.
But I watched this dude. dismantle Two guys in less than 30, 40 seconds. And that dude probably will never walk. I know that dude never walked again. on that leg like he did before.
And the other dude, whenever he woke up. He wanted to know what the last 48 hours was like because he erased that son of memory. Wow. Yeah. Like, I know he's gonna take out N15 by himself.
Man. Sean O'Hare.
He was all right, TJ. Your turn. You can tell me it was no joke, man. You really could. Ask, man.
All you got to do is ask everybody that knew Sean O'Hare: say, hey, you didn't mention Sean O'Hare. And they're going to say, oh. Oh no, never mind. Take Take that dude off. All right, well, we're going to do that.
We'll do that. Mark Henry. Can't tell you what the pleasure. It's been for you to sit down with us and Share your life, share your story, give us the time. That you've given us.
You know, we're new here at No Contest Wrestling Podcast.
So to get a legend like yourself to chop it up with us is amazing. And because of that... We are going. To induct you into the No Contest Wrestling. Podcast Hall of Fame.
That's right. Let's go. We don't have rings yet, but you're the third guest. Give us some time.
So, Mark. As we build up our brick and mortar, our physical Hall of Fame. Are you sure to nothing?
Well, we'll get that tea eventually. When we get the merch, you'll be sure to get one tea. Don't get the merch going.
Now, Mark, we're going to have that Mark Henry bust like they have in the Super Bowl in the NFL and Canton, right? We're going to have the Mark Henry bust here in No Contest Wrestling Podcast Hall of Fame. But also, what we'd like to do is... It's going to look better than Dwayne Waves. Oh, it's definitely going to look better than Dean Wayne, okay?
Well, he's a more handsome man. We're gonna have a little video screen next to your your bust in the Hall of Fame, right, Mark? And on this video screen, we're going to do a loop. of three Mark Henry matches. That should live forever.
So you tell us. What three matches? Where are the three defining matches? What are the three best matches? Three matches you had the most fun.
Just three matches that you would want to live forever. Um Definitely Me and Randy Orton in Hell in a Cell. Me and Undertaker in the casket match. At the main event of WrestleMania. Um Uh me and Rep me and Ray Mysterio Man, that's tight, man.
Yeah. Man, I wrestle Ray Mysterio. I wrestle Big Show. I wrestle Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels. 25 years.
Turn it off. The rock. I'm 2-0 against the rock. Like, I mean, that's. Oh, I'm going to have to remind him of that.
Yeah, nobody can say that. I'm going to remind him of that. You know what he's going to say?
Okay. What's it gonna say? I thought he was going to say it doesn't matter. Man, that third one would be hard. Me and Big Show are breaking the ring in the main event at Vengeance.
Probably was the one I made the most cheese off of But when Ray Mysterio was champion, and me and him. Um We created the Mark Henry spot. Oh, yeah. I created something in wrestling. Like that's what we do.
Impossible because almost everything's already been done and you did it. Because everything been done. You know. Um I don't know, man. It would be hard pressed for me to pick three.
Um You might just have to put those two on loop and leave everybody else and play my retirement speech. All right, boom. Salmon Jackson. The retirement speech. Salmon jacket.
The salmon jacket. Come on now. You know. Also, I want the lion-ass jacket. Yeah, the lion-ass jacket.
You still got that jacket, by the way. Yes, sir, I did. I'm surprised WWE hasn't asked you to put that up. They did for a little bit. Yeah, okay.
They did.
Okay. But I asked for it back. There you go. We'll put those in there, Mark, with the retirement, and then I'm also going to have a loop. Of you and Josh Matthews in the ring after you won, when you told him, and by the way, I post this on Twitter every now and then: your reaction: this is my moment.
And I'm not sharing it with none of you. Can you, Mark? I don't want to ask you to perform for us. But could you give us just that sound bite? You don't deserve this.
You don't deserve this. It's crazy. Get out of the rain. My time. I'm not sharing it with nobody.
I'm the best. All of y'all are just puppets. You do what I want you to do when I want you to do it. And if not, Keep your bill paid because when I start charging for air. You.
or gonna die. You didn't upset the man now. I'm a little bit nervous. Right now. I'm trying to come down from this This is my moment, and I'm not sharing it with none of you.
You don't deserve this. Great.
Now, Mark, dude, we're wrapping things up real quick. Um my man Bully. Bully Ray on NXT, about to get down and dirty in a square circle. And um, you know, how you how you feel about my man? You ain't been giving him a hard time, have you?
I'm not giving a lot of time. But I'll tell you what, man, I'm buying my time. My son is going to be. Um He's going to be doing his thing one of these days, and real soon. Jacob.
And when he does, I want to be healthy enough. to be able to still help him and And help navigate stuff.
So I'm in there, man. I'm in there doing that thing again. Relax, man. Relax, man. Trying to get rocked up again.
I'm assuming you and Jacob won't have a Ray and Dom type feud, though. I assume you two will be on the same. Side. No, we got to be on the same side. We got to keep black family.
I got to teach them the finer arts of the Sith. Yeah. Well, Mark, I got one last question for you before we wrap. I need to know one thing out of you, brother. What was the most satisfying slam in Mark Henry's career?
Was it? Randy Orton at Night of the Champions to become the world heavyweight champion in 2001. Or Was it Ricky Dixon and Mrs. Price's Sylvie, Texas backyard in 1983? What was the most satisfying slam of your career?
Hey, Ricky Dixon, I bet he'll love hearing that. If I had to pick, I'd have to go and give it to. Me putting Big Show through the announce table. Yeah, that was cool. That's gotta go Google that.
Because I saw it. He was 488 pounds. And I was about 12 feet. And then picked them up from my chest over my head and dumped them down to the table. Right.
I challenge anybody to go pick up a 500-pound. Man, that's. And do it. I dare you. Don't do it.
Everything we say. Nobody can do that. Oh man, I almost forgot. All right, there's another question that I'll ask everybody. As a fan, bro, as a fan.
What was the first time wrestling broke your heart? For me personally. Go ahead. Uh when when um When Andre snatched a cross off of Hoganette, I cried like a baby, man. Oh, man.
The giant turned bad. Yeah. What is going on right now? Like, why is that? He thought that quick.
That hurt. Bro, that was the first time that, well, I don't know if it was the first time I cried, but it's the one that I remember. Yeah. I remember how painful it was for. Andre to Um Turn or hold it.
And That happened for a lot of people. He had it coming. Yeah, right. Hey, boss knew something we didn't know. Boss knew something we didn't know.
I say Andre knew. That man, man. Perfect note to end it on. Mark Henry, dude, thank you so much. When you got your show, we will be there.
You're a legend. Thank you for everything that you've done, not only for no contest, but wrestling in general, in and out the ring. The talent that you brought to this. Yeah, you are immovable in history, bro. Thank you so much.
I appreciate y'all, man. Like, y'all going to do real well in this business. I hope so, I hope so, man. I appreciate you. And Mark, you know, you did mention earlier, because me being me, I got to be me.
You didn't mention that none of your family ever asked you for WrestleMania tickets. I mean, we're not technically family. I like to think that we're podcasts. I'm black, you black, we black. I just saying.
Shoot your shot, man. Shoot your shot. I don't work there no more. But you know, legends deal. Legends deal.
No legends deal for me. Oh, what's got to come in to make that happen then? Yeah, man. Don't worry. I'll campaign.
No doubt. I'll make a call for y'all. You're the man, Mark Hendrix. Thank you, man. Enjoy the rest of your day, bro.
Marketing. That about does it. My man Mark Henry, I want to thank you again for not only the interview, but for everything that you've done, everything that that guy has brought to business. What he's meant to so many lives and the inspiration that he is. Thank you so much for even giving us the time of day, man.
But that's it for the No Contest Wrestling Podcast. We will be back next week with another guest. We got a few lined up, but we want to hear from you. Who you guys want to see? Who do y'all want to see?
And listen, I know you're going to say The Rock. I don't know if we're there yet, but trust me, one day, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Dwayne will be here, Steve will be here, Brian Danielson will be here. They're all going to be here eventually. You know why? Because there's no contest.
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