Albert Breer: Bears Have Done A Lot Of Work On Caleb Williams

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Live from The Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Does the combine still matter? Combine still matters. It will always matter. It never won't matter. I take it that the coaches aren't showing up.

It's because the broadcast is so damn good. You know what? Go run another 40 in your suit.

Oh, I plan to. Earlier on the show, legendary Hollywood producer Brian Grazer. Still to come, senior writer for the MMQB, Albert Breer, Falcons head coach Raheem Morris. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

Yeah, that's correct. Hour number two of The Rich Eisen Show is on the air. What a great first hour. The legendary producer Brian Grazer was here. We talked about so many of his movies from Night Shift to Splash to Friday Night Lights, Apollo 13. So much to talk about with him.

We could barely scratch the surface. But obviously, we talked about the documentary that he's the executive producer on, The Dynasty, New England Patriots. Great chat with Tom Curran yesterday about the current decision the Patriots are going to have starting this very spring.

The third overall pick. I'm heading to the Combine after today's show. Albert Breer will join us from the Combine coming up in 20 minutes time to talk about what he's writing about. Talk about what everyone's talking about at the Combine, which is pretty much everything. Raheem Morris, the Atlanta Falcons new head coach, will join us in hour number three of this show. Something that Albert wrote about in the MMQB caught my eye.

What do you got? He says that an unnamed executive says that J.J. McCarthy is quote unquote way off from the top three quarterbacks in this year's draft. And talking about how they were surprised by his size.

Yeah. He's lanky. I've heard a little bit about that. Doesn't weigh very much. One veteran exec told me in the fall that he was taken aback by how narrow and lanky the Wolverines quarterback was.

Calling him a stretched out Bryce Young, Breer wrote. Whoa. Okay. I just want to say this. It's unfair what I'm about to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. Have you ever heard about a quarterback coming into the league off of a stellar season, not a championship season, but a stellar season for his school?

And he got drafted all the way in the sixth round because everybody thought he couldn't do it. You're right. That's not fair what you're doing. I know. I know. But you compare players just because of the school that they go to. You know, I don't care how lanky he was. There wasn't a single time I was sitting there watching that team over the last two years talking about how stretched out and lanky he is.

And I understand the pros are totally different than college. But I would just tell anybody out there that you pass on this guy at your apparel. Denver Broncos are meeting with him tonight. According to George Payton, the general manager of the Broncos, wise move.

Wise move. I think that would be an outstanding fit. Will he drop to 12?

Should the Broncos trade up to go get him? When you meet him. And we've only met over Zoom. I look forward to shaking his hand. I might linger in the handshake.

Heads up. Might be one of those awkward ones. He'll attempt to let go first, I'm sure. But I've just have, you know, communicated with him for two years and you pass at your peril. And when you meet him, you get impressed. That's it. And it sure looks like the Broncos are in the market for a new quarterback.

And we'll get to that in hour number three because Sean Payton spoke today. Also, there's six months before next season. He could easily put on 15 pounds. The lankiness exactly.

And suddenly he's 215 to 220. The Dynasty. Whatever. The Dynasty documentary. I'd never seen the moving pictures of Brady at the combine. You've only seen the shirt off photographs. It's it's filming. They had they got the footage of that and him running at the combine and him running. The three cones looking like what they say is a baby like a baby deer with his limbs flying all over the place.

Just born and I can't really walk. But Brady had the size. Brady's never had his size question. Brady's big guy. Six, five. Yeah, big guy.

Never had the size question. So but we do realize that going to the same college does not guarantee you. Oh, no, no, no, no.

But I'm just saying, no, no. I'm saying that Michigan is not known as a quarterback school. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, even with Tom Brady having seven rings. Because Brady there had to deal with Drew Henson.

Which is another part about this documentary. It's just like what that Brady what Brady had to overcome to get the opportunity to become the Tom Brady that we all know is truly an unbelievable journey. But you didn't think of him as a great quarterback until that 2007 season. I what you didn't think of him as a great quarterback until 2007, even after he won three out of four.

I would say New England fans were like, this is the guy. But I think nationally it was just kind of like, oh, he's got a great defense. He doesn't really throw a lot. He's never had more than like 20 touchdowns. Like, is the, you know, he's kind of getting carried by Bruce Key and McGinnis. And I guess as evidenced by the fact that Bill Dion Branch got the MVP in that Super Bowl, not not the guy who threw it to him in the same way that Ben didn't get it. San Antonio Holmes got it because there was a lack of respect for Ben, although for different reasons than 2007 hits. And it's just I mean, they scored 38 points the first three games of the season. You're like, what?

What is this team? 50 touchdowns. And now you're like, oh, he's one of the greatest now because also, Chris, it took a long time for the majority of the people to put him above Peyton. Peyton held on to that, quote unquote, number one guy spot for without having won without winning for a long time. I don't know if it was people just didn't want to give it to Brian. I'm just telling you, the kid is the national championship quarterback for a reason.

It's not. And it's not because of, you know, obviously the team was great, defensively great, offensive line great. Running game is what got him through Penn State.

I think he was hurt in that game. I'll just say you're overlooking him at your peril and just leave it at that for the moment. Broncos might be able to stay at 12 and get them. They may not have to move up if what Albert saying is what he's hearing is true about the gap. But so let's we're talking to our about 13 minutes time. The NBA, as we all know, has an officiating issue, right?

A long time. I understand that. But from my point of view, they have a replay issue. They're they're having trouble finding the right chord between using replay appropriately and trying to ignore the fact that replay exists for it on the altar of game play and game flow.

Because you could stop. An NBA game in every possession to take a look at whether there was a foul or not. So I understand that they don't want to turn. As you see, sometimes college basketball will stop. But last two minutes of a college basketball game can sometimes take a half an hour because of timeouts and television timeout. You know, you've got to take a commercial break.

You come back and then replay butts its head in in ways that it shouldn't. And it breaks up the game flow. And the NBA doesn't want that. And I understand why they don't. But the NBA has an issue with blowing a call in the last minute of a game and then admitting they blew the call within minutes of the game being over.

And trying to be as transparent as possible in their two minute report where they come out. Each game has the last two minutes reviewed by the league and whether this should have been a violation. This should have been a foul and things of that nature. Last night, the Knicks beat the Pistons in Madison Square Garden in a tight game. And the Knicks did not deserve to get the lead at the end because Dante DiVincenzo committed a loose ball foul after turning the ball over in a tie game on the final possession that was allowed to continue instead of no whistle. And the ball wound up in the hands of Josh Hart for an and one.

And the Knicks beat the Pistons. And after the game, Monty Williams, who is one of the more reserved coaches in the NBA, just decided to put the fine money in the table. At some point, I think there will be an NBA head coach that will just have $25,000 in cash or an actual check written out. Like if I'm an NBA head coach, do you have like one of those big poster size checks that you see given out?

Lottery winners? Yes. Do you see given out at like ribbon cuttings?

You know what I mean? Like it's already there. You have it in the locker room written out to the NBA in the amount of $25,000, the maximum you can be fined.

And just have it on an easel behind you while you deliver the speech that Monty Williams delivered last night. The absolute worst call of the season. No call. And enough's enough. We've done it the right way. We've called the league. We've sent in clips. We're sick of hearing the same stuff over and over again. We had a chance to win the game and the guy dove into a star's legs and there was a no call.

That's an abomination. You cannot miss that in an NBA game. Period. And I'm tired of talking about it. I'm tired of our guys asking me what more can we do, coach? That situation is exhibit A to what we've been dealing with all season long. And enough's enough.

You cannot dive into a guy's legs in a big time game like that and there be a no call. It's ridiculous and we're tired of it. We just want a fair game called. Period. And I got nothing else to say.

We want a fair game. And that was not fair. I'm done.

Naughty goes. Wow. The one line that we didn't, because I guess it was off mic that we didn't clip for you as well, was he started saying, where's the New York media now? Yeah, I heard that.

That's what he said before he delivered that soliloquy because I imagine the New York media did not show up to the postgame Pistons press conference. James Williams, the crew chief, crew chief, not the assistant crew chief, crew chief from the top guy. Well, it's also a Hollywood shuffle reference. Oh, yeah. So when can you take your dog reference?

I forgot. Every time I hear crew chief, I think of. Work hard, Robert. One day, maybe you might become crew chief. Crew chief. Assistant crew chief.

Anyway, James Williams, the official, is the crew chief. He was the one standing over. The play. Right next to it.

Like, yeah. He went down. Even though he tried to recover. The turnover he had just created. I mean, I saw Thompson stepped in the lane, picked off the pass, then kind of lost control of it, trying to dribble it, but did get a hand on it when Devin Shenzo barreled into him and the contact nearly knocked. James Williams over. No call. Play continues.

Of course, it winds up down low and one. Knicks wind up winning the game because there was hardly any time left. After the game, he goes upon.

This is in a pool report. Upon postgame review, we determined that Thompson gets to the ball first and then was deprived of the opportunity to gain possession of the ball. Therefore, a loose ball foul should have been whistled on New York's Dante DiVincenzo. And if this is reviewable postgame, can't we come up with a construct to review it in game? And I understand the replay rules are constructed in such a way. It's so stingy that coaches just won't use it on obvious situations in a first half.

It doesn't matter. The only way they would use it a replay challenge in the first half is if it's to review a foul on one of your key players that just picked up his third in the second quarter. Reviews will not be used by a head coach in the NBA until the last couple months.

You keep it in your back pocket because they're so stingy. The league's so stingy with these reviews. And then if you don't have one, you have to sometimes wonder, is this even reviewable? Can you even review whether a loose football foul should be called? The association has got to get their governors together in their competition committee. By the way, I should have a seat on every league's competition committee because I've got an opinion on everything.

And certainly I feel like I'm an expert on replay based on the NFL. But the NFL can stop the game in the final two minutes and it doesn't seem to affect the flow. In the NBA, they just don't want it stopped. They don't want the game to end. They don't want an extra timeout to be given to another team. Because you're calling timeout, you're giving another team a chance to draw up a play or whatever.

I understand these two sports are different, but you've got to figure out a way. Do you have, say, the last 60 seconds of the game is reviewed by the league office? All reviews come in from the league office in the last two minutes of the game? Do you come up with what would be termed egregious?

I don't know. I'm just throwing stuff out here. But it's infuriating as a fan to say, oh, so you had time that you knew at the time this thing was potentially so blown that you'd looked at it afterwards? Or the two minute review is conducted by the officials right away every game. Doesn't matter whether there is something egregious or game turning or stomach turning. They do this process and then they speak to a pool reporter. But for me, it's infuriating like, yeah, we've already looked at it and already know we blew it.

Or at least we're telling you. Well, why don't we then come up with a construct where we do it when it can actually be overturned and rectified and the game isn't affected? Why can't we come up with that? That would be too easy. Well, again, it's not. I'm trying to point out how it's not easy where they don't want to interrupt the game flow. Again, college basketball, sometimes it's infuriating how long it takes. Last night it was so obvious.

Right? Get it right. The guy turns it over. He makes a terrible pass that is easily intercepted by the defense. It's just that he has a split moment trying to corral it after he picks it off. So the ball is loose, but he does get to it first. It's so obvious that the guy who created the turnover is barreling his way to try to rectify his mistake and clearly fouls. And the ref is standing right there. And he's the crew chief who's just mere moments away from reviewing it and telling a pool reporter, I blew it.

But we don't have a construct in order to have that moment happen when it can actually be properly rectified. Now, if you're the league, do you replay the last some odd seconds of the game? Why don't you get everyone out there? That seems pretty easy. You've already said it's blown. And I'm not the only fan who thinks this. Your immediate thought is what was the spread?

What was the total? Well, I don't think that way. What's going on here? A lot of fans think that way. That's unfortunate. But that's the NBA's own fault. Well, because their own official years ago did this?

And they did nothing to put the public's mind at ease. Well, then maybe the way to put the public's mind at ease is to come out with a replay construct to fix it. I guess I should use a different word. To rectify it. Better than what it is now. Well, because you think it's fixed.

Well, look. I'm saying fix it. You're saying maybe it's fixed.

The total is 225 and it ended at 224 because of the end one. Is that what it was? Is that what it was? Yeah. What are we doing? I don't think that's a coincidence.

You think you think one of the you really think people think it happens way too often for it to just be like, oh, that's weird. Let's take a break. Albert Breer will be joining us from the combine.

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I think so. So let's let's bring in Albert Breer before the radio audience joins just so we could give something to Albert, if you don't mind. Can we get Albert up here? There you are, Albert. You're there, Albert. You give us so much. I'm being I'm being set up. No, you're not being set up.

Not the way you think. Don't worry about it. You give us so much, Albert.

We're going to give something to you. OK, it's a scoop. I think you need to run this down. Use all of your outstanding reporting acumen to run this down.

Put it up on the screen here. Kyler Murray is the franchise quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals. OK, OK. So that's your news.

That's what they tweeted out yesterday. There it is. There it is. Just like just like four years ago, right?

Five years ago. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Josh is our guy, I think was the quote.

Yeah, that's right. I don't know what what is something going on with them? Like we're feeling need to tweet that out or what?

It is a little it is a little weird, but I mean, I get rid of every indication I've gotten is that they're good. And like that, Kyler, you know, like really meshed well with Jonathan Gannon through pets in the offensive coordinator. So I wonder if they're trolling us a little bit because you'll remember. So there was that. Right. And then I think it was two years ago where Eric Burkhart, Kyler's agent, on the first day of the combine, dropped that statement. Oh, that's right. If you remember. So like this is sort of been a Cardinals thing over the last five years. So are they trolling us?

I don't know. Well, it feels like they're trolling. I'm glad that it's in support, because then the spirit of of our of our montage that we are collage that we put out there it is. Mike Del Tufo is our franchise audio executive. There he is. I like it. I like it. Mike, does that affirmation make you feel good?

Yeah. I don't know how to feel. I don't get back on the road. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe I'm actually interviewing for the job right now. No, no, no.

Albert, this is our audio executive. And you just stay in your lane. You're outstanding in your lane where you are. But I just want to make sure that everyone understands that these colleges are all in support.

They're not all good to leave the door open for people. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I also want to mention. Yes. Like that. I really appreciated your response to my Marvin Harrison tweet yesterday. And I was going to respond, but I was in the plot.

I was in the air. OK. Right.

And then I and then I then I wound up finding a piece of video where you guys were actually workshopping. Yes. I was wondering if you'd be so kind. Maybe you could give me your staff. Yes.

Worst shop. Yes. Before I hand off the staff to you, let me just recap.

Fantastic. To recap the story that you put out there is that Marvin Harrison is not working out specifically for combine. So many of the kids these days are just training to run fast or jump high at the combine. He's not going to do the workouts that come or the pro day.

He's getting ready for football this fall. And you said, I think that's a smart decision. I then responded by saying then.

Then I I perhaps some of the lines of it might help that he didn't play in December or January either. You know. Yeah. And you you guys helped me workshop that. There it is.

Maybe it will help that he had December and January off, too, is what I said. There it is. There's the exchange. Now I hand it to you, Albert.

My staff is yours. What do you got? Yeah. So I had a couple of different ideas here. One was a Michigan man would know what that feels like.

You know, another one, another one I was thinking was the only shame of all of this is that he won't be around next November. But that might be a little too direct. And I I don't know.

I I I want to keep this a little light and not be between the eyes with it. But you can't. I'm untouchable.

I'm untouchable. That's the thing. Yeah. That's the thing is.

That's the beautiful thing. I think, Albert, just I mean, use use facts, use the facts to your advantage in the two games against Michigan. He had his day.

He had 12 catches for 238 yards and two touchdowns. I think that's the point across. Right.

And that's when he was playing a defense that he said he hadn't really seen before. And he still succeeded. Right.

It was too easy for him. That's why he said that. Is that what it is? Yeah. OK. Yeah. See, did they help Albert? You mean like so? Yeah. I mean, I think it probably helped him get better for the NFL. No, I mean, did these guys help you? Oh, yeah. I was going to say I was going to say it also helped some coaches get an NFL job.

By the way, that was that's like one of those things that you give your customers like, hey, was my staff helpful today? I like I will say this. You have you are very patient and you waited a lot of years and now you've pounced and I can't blame you. And I have to take my medicine. And that's where we're at right now. And and at least for another. I'm doing the math in my head right now.

You know, I went to Ohio State, so I have to keep my time doing this. Another nine months. Right. And and we'll see what happens. Very good.

Albert Breer here on The Rich Eisen Show from the Combine. Your take on Ryan Poll's comments today is what? Based on your reporting that you said the Bears wanted to have a plan coming out of the Combine about what they're going to do at quarterback.

So you're the perfect person to ask about Poll's comments today and how you read them. So I think Poll's comments reflect the general manager who wants all of his options laid out before him. And I don't think it behooves him to publicly say what they're going to do. In other words, if they say we're trading Justin Fields, well, now how do other teams look at that?

Right. Do offers for the first overall pick stop coming in? If he says, you know, we're trading the first overall pick, well, then, you know, like, does how does that affect that market? So I think what's best for him and what's best for the franchise right now is to have all of their options out in front of them with the knowledge in the back of the head. The back of their heads of what they're going to do now. They have done a ton of work on on Caleb Williams and they are far down the line now. They have to meet with them this week.

But I mean, they were in Los Angeles. They they when they they went out, they met with Cliff Kingsbury about their offensive coordinator job. They were out there to talk to Zach Robinson.

They did a background through the fall. I mean, they they have an idea of what they think of Caleb Williams. And I think this week is about confirming it.

But I still think the likelihood is that they stick at one and take him because I look like he's a generational talent, like he's a once every few years type of quarterback. And it gives them a chance to reset the rookie contract clock for your quarterback, which is invaluable. So like I think this week's going to be about, again, like he said, information gathering and gathering what they can get from the number one overall pick and gathering what is possible for Justin Fields.

And they've allowed a lot of that to happen to this point naturally, having teams come to them rather than the other way around. But I mean, Ryan said it himself, like if we're trading Justin Fields, the fair thing to do is to trade him before free agency starts. It's what's fair for Justin. It's also what's best for them because they're going to be far fewer quarterback vacancies four or five, six weeks from now. So, you know, with free agency just a couple of weeks away, I don't think there's any question that Justin has that the Ryan Polis has it in his head.

Like this is probably what we're going to do pending the last piece of the information gathering that we do this week. What's your best guess as to what the markets are for the first overall pick and for Justin Fields? Well, the first overall pick sort of depends on how far down you're coming from, right?

Like so, you know, Minnesota 11 or Denver 12, we're going to have to pay more pick wise than Washington would for flopping, you know, for flip flopping there one and two. But I mean, this is seen as a very rich quarterback draft and a quarterback draft that's very strong at the top. So I think the teams that have the top three picks are all going to have strong markets for their picks.

And I think there is a separation between Caleb Williams and Drake May and Jayden Daniels. So if the Bears were to option the pick off, I think they get a lot for it. I think more than three first round picks.

If you're talking about going outside the top 10 to 11 or 12, I think it'd be that sort of haul for him. Justin Fields, I think because of the contractual situation and again, none of this is Justin's fault. It's a weird circumstance where they had somebody else's first round pick and that team wound up being the worst team in the league. So it's not like he was the quarterback of the worst team in the league and that's what put them in this situation. And they love them.

They think you can win with them. You know, but I think that they again, they want to do right by Justin. I mean, this is a GM and Ryan Polis who took Justin into the draft room, took him into the war room two years ago when he first got there. And basically showed him the draft board and explained this is why we probably aren't taking a receiver in this round.

Right. So like he's going to be transparent the same way with Justin this time around. I think he's going to try to get him to the best place possible for Justin as well as for the Bears. And I think we're probably talking and most ballpark I've got.

No, people don't think they're going to be able to get a one for him. But a day two pick plus a day three pick, which is affected, of course, by his contractual situation that he's only got one year left on his rookie deal, that the fifth year option is really expensive if you decide to pick that up. You know, like so I think we're talking again a day two pick and a day three pick, whether that's a two and a five or a three and a seven, whatever it is, I think depends on how many teams wind up being in it.

But I think it's somewhere in that ballpark. Who's in it for Fields? You're here in Pittsburgh, in Atlanta, and you're here in Raiders, you know, all the usual suspects.

Atlanta is the one I have circled. I've heard that the owner really liked him three years ago. And I think, you know, I think if you're Raheem Morris and Terry Fontenot, what going and getting Justin Fields does for you with a roster that's already pretty built out, is he gives you a swing at getting your quarterback for the next five or 10 years, but not the sort of swing as if you took one fifth overall or seventh overall or ninth overall.

Right. In other words, they could trade for Justin Fields and still take a quarterback this year in the first round or next year or the year after. He gives you a shot at getting along, having a long term answer at quarterback, but you're also not like handcuffed.

So you can still take more shots at it as you go. So I think that's why for Atlanta, he makes sense. Now, Pittsburgh, I think is possible. Mike Tomlin's got a lot of strong connections to the Ohio State program. They're going to be able to get good information on him. Arthur Smith did pass on him three years ago, though. Right. So Arthur Smith's offense can work for him.

What does he think of him? Vegas would be another one. But Luke Getze is there.

So what does Luke Getze think after working with him the last couple of years? Does he want to build an offense in Vegas the same way that he built one for him in Chicago? I think those would be the teams I'd start with. And, you know, again, like you go down the list of teams that have franchise quarterbacks or that took quarterbacks high the last couple of years.

You get to a point where it's like, you know, no more than a handful of teams probably get involved in this. Well, I mean, if say you're a team like Washington or New England, you know, no one's really even mentioning Washington as a Justin Fields location because everybody thinks they're just going to go and get the kid they want in the draft not named Caleb Williams. But you could get Justin Fields now for, as you pointed out, a day two pick or two and add Marvin Harrison Jr. to the mix using that choice. You could stay put and then you get the best receiver that a lot of people think have come out of the draft in quite some time for Justin Fields. Right. I mean, like that's the benefit of going to get Justin Fields now.

That's how you can work it. And I think it would work for Washington more than than it would for New England, just because I think Washington's roster is a little bit more built out. Right. New England has so many needs.

Right. Like if you look at and they've got needs at premium positions, Rich, like tackle, receiver, quarterback. Like they I mean, it really is sort of a ground up rebuild, whereas like Washington, you can start to look around the roster. Yes, they traded the defensive ends, but they have drawn Payne and Jonathan Allen. They drafted Emmanuel Forbes last year at receiver. They've got Terry McLaurin and Jahan Dotts. And so Washington, I could see it a little bit more because you can get yourself to a place where you're like, OK. You know, I like I could see where it would make sense for them because maybe they're a little bit closer and adding a Marvin Harrison could put them over the top. The one thing about that is, though, San Francisco wasn't wild about Fields three years ago. And the new general manager there, the guy who's going to be making this pick, came from San Francisco.

So I still think the likelihood would be the commanders take one, take either Daniels or May at two. Albert Brie here on The Rich Eisen Show. What is going on with the Broncos in Russell Wilson? And I'll just leave it. Oh, I think it's over, don't you? Yeah, it sounds over, you know, with with Sean Payton also saying today that he said he saw a meme of somebody wearing a jersey of a bunch of names of the quarterbacks with crossed out names. He says, we just got to make sure the next one isn't crossed out.

Right. And thus, you know, the next one clearly doesn't refer to Russell Wilson, who goes on the I Am Athlete podcast and, you know, tells Brandon Marshall essentially that the team did him dirty, but he still wants to stay in his house, isn't sold. So that's why I ask you, like, what is what is going on with somebody? But like sometimes I feel like everyone needs a fresh start.

Doesn't this feel like one of those situations? Well, the Denver Broncos were supposed to be the fresh start for. And it's been two years and now you have the history of the Nathaniel Hackett year. You have the history of how last year ended.

You have the fight between the agent and the team that happened at the end of last year. There's just all of this baggage that Russell Wilson would carry into 2024. Right. So if Russell Wilson goes, let's say Russell Wilson goes to Las Vegas. Right. And plays for the Raiders. Well, the Raiders start like two and three and he's got a few picks over the first five weeks. OK, good.

You ride it out. Right. That same scenario happens in Denver. And oh, my God, are they looking to run him out of town? You know, because he's still chasing all that history of the last couple of years and things could go sour quicker because of the history there.

Right. So I think, you know, a fresh start makes the most sense for everybody. It makes sense for Russell. I think it really makes sense for Sean Payton. I think this right here is the opportunity for Sean Payton to hit reset a quarterback and go forward and execute his own quarterback plan, which I think in the back of his head he really wanted to do from the time he got to Denver at the beginning of twenty twenty three. And so I think the Broncos are going to be doing all of the work with the quarterbacks in the draft. I look at J.J. McCarthy and Bo Nix as guys who stylistically actually make some sense.

Right. So could those guys be a consideration with the 12th overall pick? I think they'll talk to teams about trading up now, whether or not they could pull it off.

I don't know. But I think that you're going to see I think you're going to see a reset here. And I think that the reset is going to happen because Russell Wilson could use a fresh start. There's the contractual issue that you'd have to work around to make it to even think about having him back. And this is maybe the one shot that Sean Payton has in Denver at hitting the reset button. I can't see him passing that up. I don't know, though.

I mean, I read somewhere that J.J. McCarthy's lanky and is way back of the quarterback group. Robert, where did I read that? Oh, that's right. An unnamed executive.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying you. No, I'm saying somebody that you're quoting is misreading the situation. But I had the other one, too.

If you look, there's another quote. I'm not saying you're doing him dirty. I'm not. I didn't mean that. No, I'm just saying somebody's doing him dirty. There's a huge amount of split opinion on J.J. McCarthy, what I've found, at least.

So there's a couple problems. Number one, it's can he carry a team? Because he wasn't asked to at Michigan.

Now, that doesn't mean he can't, but you're projecting that a little bit. And if you go back and you look at the history of it with some of the young guys in the league now, Josh Allen carried Wyoming. Patrick Mahomes carried Texas Tech. Lamar Jackson carried Louisville. Joe Burrow didn't have to carry LSU, but with an all-star team around him, he broke every record, not just at LSU, but every record in the SEC.

So you haven't seen that. There's also the question about his build. How much weight can he put on? How tall is he? I think it's going to be big for him this week to get in front of these guys. So these guys can kind of eye him up and see, okay, can he put on more weight? How big can we project him to get?

So those are all questions. What I would say, and I say this 100% genuine, this has nothing to do with our rivalry. He is competitive as hell. His makeup is great.

He's a winner. He's got a loose wrist. He's got a good arm. He's a really good athlete, and he's a loose athlete. I mean, there's a lot to like there. It's can you wrap your head around the idea that he's lighter than you'd like, he may be a little shorter than you'd like, and he hasn't been asked to carry a team at the college level.

That's what you have to reckon with. Before I let you go, I'm going to ask you this question in a sports talk radio way. You can only choose one. Kirk Cousins is back with Minnesota. Justin Jefferson is back with Minnesota. They're both back with Minnesota. Neither is back with Minnesota.

How do you see that? Justin Jefferson is back with Minnesota. I could just tell you what the head coach, Kevin O'Connell, and the GM, Kwasi Adafo-Mensah, think of him.

They believe he is one of one, that there is not another receiver like him. He's still only 24, so whoever their long-term quarterback is can benefit from him. He's got seven or eight years maybe left in his prime. I think it's going to be tough to get a deal done because the cap going up means the numbers are going to go up. Are you talking about paying him what, say, Nick Bosa got for the Niners?

We're talking about getting well into the 30s now. That's something that the Vikings are going to have to reckon with. I think ultimately they will find a way to get something done. With Cousins, I'm a lot less certain because it's been made clear to Cousins people that they're not going to go down the road they did twice already, which is the fully guaranteed road. I think he's going to have value on the market. I think Kevin O'Connell and Kwasi want to bring him back. The idea is to bring him back. How far are they willing to go financially to do it?

If they aren't willing to meet his number, is somebody else going to meet his number? I think Kirk is a really good quarterback. I think Kirk is by far the best option out there for teams in the market. I think for someone, maybe this is Atlanta, maybe this is Vegas, it's the teams we've talked about that have openings, can he be Alex Smith in Kansas City for you? If you've got a new head coach, can he be the guy who can get you up to a competitive level right away and then buy you time to find the next guy? I think he can be. Again, pending what you think of his Achilles injury and the medicals and all of that, I think he very much can be. I think that's the model somebody would be looking for with Kirk Cousins is what Alex Smith was for Andy Reid in Kansas City.

Because of that, I sort of feel like somebody is going to go the extra mile to get him, and then maybe a month from now we're talking about Minnesota trying to trade up to get a quarterback in the draft. Well, Tyler, you're the best. Appreciate it. And thanks for the workshop. I appreciate it. Thank all you guys for that. Listen, we're here for you, Albert.

There may be an I in Rich and Eisen, but I'm a team player. Listen, as shocked as I was to read it and then melancholy as I was to open up Peter King's retirement column, I was thrilled to see him suggest you and the MMQB first up as a suggestion for people to go to when he's no longer riding his football morning in America. He mentioned you and your column that you took the mantle from him and ran with. He mentioned you, and I was thrilled to see that. Well, thank you.

I appreciate that. I'd be remiss if I didn't say what an incredible person he is and what an incredible legacy he leaves, and you know him well too, Rich. You know, it's so cliche to say as good as this person was, as good as the guy was at his job, he was even better as a person, but it really applies to you. I mean, have you ever seen anything so unanimous on social media as what we saw yesterday?

Nope, and he deserved it. It was unanimous, and he deserved every word of it, and I'm so grateful for what he did for me. If anybody wants to read about that, like I did a story on him yesterday after the announcement, but yeah, congrats, Peter. I hope you get to kick your feet up and go to bed at 930 and not worry about having to stay up at 3 in the morning in Indianapolis anymore. You earned every bit of that. I love Peter, and I owe him a lot, as do a lot of people in our business. Me too.

Plus one. Thanks, Albert. See you in Indy. All right, thanks, Rich.

You bet. That's Albert Breer here. Just want to say something about Peter as well. Peter King. When I saw my name as an NFL Network host in his column for the first time, I got a huge lift.

Huge. When he once wrote about how much he enjoyed the NFL Network's draft coverage and then threw my name in there, I had an immense sense of pride and accomplishment because he was the one saying it. When Peter King gave you a shout out in his column, and it's shocking me that I'm now saying it in the past tense because he's retiring, it was the ultimate honor for anybody in NFL media because his column on Monday was must read, and he would write his head off. Before I started the podcast that this show was born out of, the first thing I did outside of hosting was write a column for NFL.com because he inspired me to do that, and I started trying to write a column each week. I wrote columns in school at the school newspaper, and then I was a newspaper person at the Staten Island Advent.

Oh my God. I thought I could do it, and then I tried to do it, and then I would write it, and then I would just be wiped out writing it, and it would be one tenth as long. But length doesn't matter. It matters the quality of the writing. It was one, I don't even know what the percentage was of what Peter was delivering to his readers. And the thing that was also great about Peter is how giving he is to everybody in the industry, giving of compliments, giving of time, giving of two cents, so generous, and giving to fans. He is the guy who is like, let's have a beer in certain towns. He would have meetups with his fans.

It was the first one I recall doing that. Giving of his fans, giving of himself, so the fact that he's now saying, I got to take time for me. You take all the time you need, Peter, and you've got a spot here all the time. I love that, man. Well done, Peter King, to say the least. What an incredible run.

I wanted to say this yesterday, but the lights literally went out here, so it took me a day to get around to it. I think we all feel the same way about Peter. Susie does, too. Susie had him on What the Football.

I think she's having him on Thursday's show when she's sitting in this seat. Love, Peter King. Congratulations. What a run. Back with more on the Rich Eisen Show in a moment. I also love the story that you told, and if you wouldn't mind telling the audience here as well, at the combine, when you would be pulled into rooms, and you didn't know which room you were being pulled into by which room. Yeah, yeah.

Back in that day, everybody was reaching for it. Agents was in the hotel. Everybody was there, buddy. Now it's all scheduled. It was scheduled, structured. You can't be in a hotel.

You can't be on the premises. Then it was everything as well, so I'm backing away from crowds and people trying to grab me, and I backed into this room, and the Giants was there. It was the Giants' room, and they had people sitting down taking these tests. What do they call these things? Oh, yeah, like the psychology test, right? I mean, the thing was that thick, man, and I sat down, and they gave me this thing.

What is this? They say, it's this test, and we need you to take it. I said, oh, what picker do you have? It's like the 10th. I said, oh, I'd be gone before then. So I got up and walked out. I'd be gone.

I'd be way gone before then. And then let's just get into it here. I mean, Belichick said he watched you run the 40th, and that you ran it and then ran into the tunnel, and is it true? That's not true. Okay.

You did not run into a waiting car and being taken to the airport right then and there. No, because I had more interviews than all of that. No, that story just grows and grows. It does. It's like a fish story.

Yeah, it is. That's not true. I did everything that I was asked to do. Now, I didn't lift. I didn't do none of that, because Jerry Rice to this day had laid across my arms and let me bench press him. I don't know where that comes from.

I love that you say that when you're watching the defensive backstroke. I hate that. One of the waiting reps of 225. Why?

Who cares? You're struggling to shift one up. When have you ever said, man, well, if that guy would have got one more rep, he would have been there on that play?

Never. Oh, the three-cone drill. This has nothing to do with nothing. So I didn't do any of that stuff right here. Well, it all worked out. Yeah. Did I see you with your blenders on earlier today? Back here on the Rich Eisen Show. You're wearing your prime blenders, right? Why wouldn't I?

I'm not accusing you. Back on the Rich Eisen Show radio network, I'm sitting at the Rich Eisen Show desk, furnished by Grainger, with supplies and solutions for every industry. Grainger has the right product for you. Call clickgrainger.com or just stop by. Let's go to the phone lines. Corey in Milwaukee has been hanging on. What's up, Corey? Hey, what's up, Rich? How are you? I'm fine.

Nice set of pipes, Corey. I got a question. I want your thoughts on this. I like Caleb. I believe the Bears like Caleb. But I think the Bears have an opportunity to do something genius here.

And that is? They can trade back that number one pick, draft Marvin Harrison, take the draft capital hall, trade fields, take that draft capital, stay at nine, take the local kid McCarthy, and go sign off the necklace to a cheap deal. And I think you're contending in the NFC North.

Corey in Milwaukee. Now then, let's walk through this. Do you win all your fantasy leagues? So you trade one down.

Hold on a second. You trade one down to where? So you trade one down to where and get Marvin? I would trade it to Washington.

They seem to be very high on their local kid, Caleb. Okay, so then you trade down to one. So you take that draft capital. But you'd have to trade Justin Fields first. You got to trade him now.

Okay? So, okay, but that doesn't preclude you from trading out again, getting a draft hall. And then you've got to, I'd imagine you'd have so many draft picks, you can move up to get JJ McCarthy from nine, you know, easily. Or move back to three and get May or Daniels.

But you don't want to do that. You want Marvin. He's saying get the receiver with DJ Moore, get the young kids, and then get the kid from Illinois and JJ McCarthy. No, I'm saying you trade to two, take Marvin Harrison, then trade back to three with the picks you just got from Washington. With the nine?

Yeah, take nine and some future picks and move up to three. Hold on, let's ask Corey. Corey?

Sorry, Corey. Yeah, I think you move back one and you take Harrison at number two. And you feel fine with McCarthy at nine. I don't, unless Denver moves up to try to get him, I would stick with McCarthy at nine. But you'd have enough picks to get him, if that's the guy you wanted and targeted, you have enough picks to make sure you get him. All right, Corey, thanks for the call.

How about that one? I was saying do what the Texans did last year. So you're picking two and three. Raheem Morris, the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons is coming up. Usually when a fan, no disrespect. Hold on a minute, let me say it again. Sorry. No disrespect.

Right. But usually when a fan will come to the show, I got this trade idea. You're like, okay, that one actually stopped me in my tracks because that one would just reset because you'd have to, you're trading Justin Fields first. Ryan Polce said that because number one, it's wrong to the kid to just let him sit all the way through to the end of April. Two, it's wrong for you because everybody's going to fill their roster spots at quarterback if they have a need. Second week of March, free agency hits, it's on. So you need to get your, you need to offload your guy then. So then you're thinking it's going to be Caleb, it's going to be Caleb, it's going to be Caleb.

And then it's not. Washington moves up to take Caleb Williams. You go down to two, you get Marvin Harrison Jr. And then you've got picks up the yin yang to go surround your guy who is less than, he's like quarterback four, but he's also a local kid who a lot of fans there kind of know from his Big Ten play.

And if you loved Harbaugh, you get his spirit animal version. True. Okay.

What do Bears fans think of that? I'll take, I'll take out there. Let's hear it from you.

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