Shaq Says There's Nothing Wrong With Draymond Green

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With guest host Susie Schuster live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Don't fumble. Do you know back in the day, Chris, the rule was if it was an incomplete pass in the end zone, you lost the football. It was a turnover. That's a great rule, too. Oh, that's as dumb as I've ever heard.

You don't believe that. Earlier on the show, NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero, Emmy nominated host of the Rich Eisen Show. Rich Eisen still to come.

Basketball Hall of Famer Shaquille O'Neal. And now sitting in for Rich, it's Susie Schuster. Hey, everybody, our number three of the Rich Eisen Show underway. Rich is in Indianapolis, head of the NFL game on Saturday.

Susie Schuster in the chair for him right now, waiting for Shaquille O'Neal to log on from Atlanta, fresh off of a shack of claws yesterday. And I love talking about that. That side of him when he goes and just basically creates Christmas wherever he goes for kids everywhere is maybe the most generous superstar that we kind of have.

Right. You see these stories all the time of him just rolling into Home Depot or something. And people are looking for washer and dryers. And he's just like, yeah, I got this. Yo, I got this Best Buy.

She's a mom and a kid needs a laptop. He buys Walmart grocery store. Yeah, you see it all the time. It's it's really amazing what what his post playing career has become, not only broadcasting, but, you know, as a businessman and an entrepreneur and all the philanthropy that he does.

It's really awesome. Yeah. It's hard not to be a fan of Shaq, man. Just like he's another guy. He's a guy who like we've been aware of Shaq since he was about 17 years old. Yeah, absolutely. Like so his entire life is played in front of, you know, cameras in front of the world. And he's you know, he's taken that that responsibility and run with it.

And you can't hide when you're when you're not that size. And when you have the personality that he has, you know, even early in his career with the Superman stuff and just all the fun he would have on the old NBA inside stuff. And remember, his is one of the most famous Cribs episodes with his huge Orlando estate. It's amazing. It's just one of the greatest of all time. Just everything he's done. And I still, you know, bump Shaq CDs to this day, you know, listen to Shaq Fu.

You know, I got skills stuff. You know, Shaq is the man. Shaq is the man. We have great photographs of him from yesterday. He turned the Wesley Lakes Elementary School into Shaq Wonderland. Can you imagine if you're like a little kid and you walk in and you see the seven foot one guy wearing a Shaq hat, wearing a Santa hat and then his presence everywhere. It's pretty amazing. Anyway, we're going to see him momentarily. I'm going to work on that zoom while we're on the air, because why not multitask?

That's what moms do, right? In the interim, Giff Smith, the linebackers coach, named the interim head coach of Giff. Named the interim head coach of the L.A. Chargers and JoJo Wood and the interim general manager. So they they moved fast this morning, a lot faster than we ever imagined the Stanoses would.

But we do have some names and do have some faces who will put them together there. I mean, Chris, you know, it's great. Yes, it was kind of their only move, I think. It was clear last night that the team had quit. At what point was it, TJ? I don't know. Twenty-one nothing. Twenty-eight nothing. Fifty-six to seven. Who knows?

Yeah. Forty-two nothing at the half. But now what next? I think we hit on that with Rich. It's going to be the question we're going to have until probably in the late January, until they make a move, whether it's a trade for Bill Belichick or hiring someone, the hot young coordinator away. It seems like they would go in an offensive direction when you have a guy who's as talented as Justin Herbert, who you just paid one of the biggest contracts in NFL history to. And you got a lot of superstars, got a lot of talent on this roster.

It's an older roster. So they're kind of in Capel next year. So there's going to be that type of rebuild. But it's an exciting job, an exciting market in a unbelievable stadium and facilities here in Southern California. They're building new practice facilities right here in El Segundo.

Literally, we could throw a rock and hit this. Yeah. And so it's a hot job and they're out in front of this, you know, so. I think we're also going to see how serious the Chargers as a franchise totally agree on winning. Are you going to swing for the fences?

Are you going to get up there and just, you know, have that, you know, Vlad Guerrero just just that, you know, that swing and go for it and get one of these big names or are you not? And I think the fan base is definitely I don't know a lot of Charger fans. I do know a few and they are diehard. And I know they're going to be watching this. Very interested in what happens next. You know, it's crazy.

This area around El Segundo has become the greatest sports area. You can ask. Yeah. Literally where we sit, where we sit right now. We could do a sprint down the street to the Lakers facility. Correct. The Kings are around the corner. Kings are there.

Right. And Chargers. The stadium is minutes away. The Chargers are building their facility. I mean, literally as you sitting, Susie, the stadium is literally over your head 10 minutes that way on the freeway. And the Chargers stadium is, you know, to your right. The practice facility that they're building right over here is right there. I mean, LeBron is like down the street right now. He just drove by in a really expensive car. Yeah, everything's happening.

I mean, we're in the hot spot here. Just don't leave your wallet. What? Oh, what?

Well, that's it. I left my car unlocked. You think it's OK?

Your car is fine. Just don't leave your wallet. Is that like I left my heart in San Francisco?

I left my wallet in El Segundo. I'll put you down during commercial break, Susie. I'll let you hear it. I appreciate that, TJ. You always have my back. There you go. Jack's going to join us any moment for those of you waiting.

Just like they're getting checked in. Yeah, this is this is the part of the Rich Eisen show where I slowly brew in my own sweat because I'm waiting for everything to click on. But my girl Cynthia won't let me down. So, yeah. Should we talk about Draymond for one more second? We will. OK, you get to pick TJ. OK, we can talk Draymond or we can talk Tyrese Halliburton and and we can talk game balls because I will have to talk about that. We've spoken a lot about Draymond over the years. Tyrese Halliburton is now like the star. So he needs to be talked about a little bit more. This young guy Halliburton, he fancy. He's really good. I want to hear more about that. Come on, teach. This is your time to shine. You know, he's a guy who like he's playing for the Pacers, right?

So they're not getting a lot of national games. You have to pretty much be a diehard fan and probably in the fantasy basketball to really have been following him the last two seasons. But he is a 20 and 10 guy lead. You know, he's he's a superstar in training, I guess. And has he, Chris, would you say he's made that that transition of the training wheels off? Is he full fledged? Are we calling him a superstar? Because I'd have to say he's all Eastern and all Eastern team right now, right? He's he's the best player that you've never seen play, because like you said, unless you're a diehard Pacers fan that doesn't live in Indiana or you're a lot you have them on your fantasy team or you're kind of, you know, player prop betting prize picks.

Yeah. How a burden every night skin in the game, then you don't know who he is. But he was a first round pick. He gets traded after his rookie year, which you don't really see that often from the king. And now he's averaging 26 and 12.

This guy, like you said, they only have one national game this year, but they had a run in the in-season tournament. So now people kind of got introduced to him how they beat the Celtics. And and they, you know, go on and play the Bucks and they're playing the Lakers in the finals. This guy is a super duper star, super duper star, 26 and 12.

You know how crazy that is? You win MVP with that numbers with those types of numbers. And if Indiana can go on a run and maybe get a top four seed in the east, you're going to hear him thrown out there with the Jokic and the Lucas and the beads and the Tatum's. And you're going to hear his name kind of be mentioned in those circles when it comes time for award season. First team all NBA, second team, probably at the least. But this is a guy you need you need to get to know because he's going to be in our lives, our NBA lives for the next dozen years, putting up these kinds of numbers. And what we talked about yesterday, Suzy, is kind of I'm sure what the NBA, what Adam Silver and the NBA won it with this tourney is to bring a new star to light in. And he did that. We're sure that the NBA wanted either Boston or L.A. to win this tour up the bat.

Let's just be honest. It makes sense from a business standpoint. But they also wanted to create new stars and he stepped into that role. So I I've never really watched too many Pacers games, but like he lately has made it so that I'm actively seeking them out because I like this kid style play. Yeah, they need to do some more winning there. They're the fifth seed right now, the 13 and nine in the east. But if they can kind of get that hump, maybe get into that top three, get themselves in the conversation with the Bostons and the Milwaukee's and the Phillies right now, Orlando is 16 and seven. They're off to a great start.

Get up in that realm there in the east. And you're going to see a lot more of this guy. We might start seeing them on national TV more. And how many people hadn't seen him until maybe the Giannis fracas game or maybe the tournament? I think a lot of people were just like, who is this guy? And yeah, he handled himself beautifully with the chaos after that game, too. And he put himself on the map. But his play is going to put himself on the map. The appearance after a game comes and goes.

It's the continuation, right? It's the play. He's got to play in and out night after night. And these last couple of years, he's definitely been doing that. Mm hmm.

No doubt. Shaq is coming by momentarily. You know, it's that time where you got to sit there and wait. He's entered the frame. He's entered the frame.

How's the frame look? I mean, he's taken out the frame. He's feeling it. He's he's getting himself checked in. So he's skinny.

Yeah, Shaq looks great. He's skinny. I don't even know who he is anymore. He's the largest person we've ever met, though. He is, he is, but but I'm telling you, like he told me the other day that he's he's in game weight. I said, you're well below game weight.

Like, he looks like he's ripped. So Shaquille O'Neal joins us now on the Rich Eisen show. And what are you doing? What are you doing?

What do you mean? What are you wearing, Shaquille? This is my Terminator look.

I mean, look here, this is this is your Dion Sanders version. I mean, are you going to start marketing these glasses and selling them immediately or are you going to meet me on the ski slopes? Well, these are part of the Shaq brand. You know, I don't need those.

Shaq, I wear everywhere. But no, Suzy, you woke me up. Oh, oh, gosh.

Did Cynthia again, like, basically send to set off the alarms in the in the hotel or in your house or wherever you are? No, I I knew I had a podcast with you. I knew that, but I didn't know it was today.

It's today. Hi. Hi.

You know what? All right, hold on. So let me let me transform it to Dr. O'Neal right quick. I apologize. No, no, no.

I was Dr. Shuster earlier when I was giving therapy to all the all the Chargers people out there who are in pain. So, oh, yeah, that's nice. OK. That looks cute. You're skinny. I know you look good.

Thank you. Who's lost more weight? You or Charles? Well, Charles, I guess.

Yeah, right. He's got to know he's still skinny fat. He's soft. Are you saying that he's soft? He's soft, yeah. Because I see him and all that girl and be like, I thought you lost weight. No, no, but he looks good. He does look good.

He looks really good. Let me ask you about the game ball thing. Do you have do you have game balls? Did you ever want a ball after a game? The way Giannis did the other night?

Oh, yes. The birthday game ball. That was my ball. And whenever I broke out somebody's score record, I made sure that I got the ball.

So how much? Yeah, I would think it would be an unwritten rule that if you're playing at home, the ball is yours. Right. Like Rick Carlisle made a great point.

Rookie first point. You definitely need a game ball for that. But they were in Milwaukee. So how can you come to somebody else's place and take their ball? That was my only thing with it. And so that, I mean, I always thought it was like an unwritten rule that if you're playing at your place, you get certain rights.

You get certain precedences. So but hey, 64 points, I probably would have had that same type of energy. What's your favorite ball that you have? Probably the birthday game ball. Because I don't know if you remember, we were playing the Clippers. So I had a party set up. I remember.

And I was the promoter. So I was going to go in, and I don't know if you're familiar with the term foul shave. Do you know what foul shave means? No.

Should I? Yes, foul shave means when you don't feel like playing, you get two, three quick early fouls. So my plan was to foul shave, and now we're playing the Clippers.

I was like, Cole, you do it. But when I first got there, I asked for some extra tickets, and they charged me. I said, excuse me?

Because I asked, because you know I have people flying in town. I was like, yeah, I need 30 tickets. And they came with the bill.

I was like, no charging me tickets? I was already upset. And then the Clippers came out.

I mean, because the Clippers never really beat us. But they came out that day, and they were talking smack and all that. And the guy came out, and they were talking smack and all that, and the guys were looking at me. And I was like, all right, just. And I was just so upset. I was like, all right, just give me the damn ball, and just watch me go to work.

And then my good friend, we're good friends now, so I don't want to be disrespectful in the stories. I never knew Kareem was on the coaching staff. So I was running up, and I was like, is that Kareem? And then Kareem was whispering into one of the Center's ears. And I was like, oh, Kareem, you going to tell them to try? And then I got the ball, and I did the sky hook. And Kareem never looked at me, and I was like, you know what?

I have to make the great commune of Doja Boy. Just look. You can look at me and curse me, but just look at me.

I can't never look at myself. I wanted to put on a show for him. Wasn't that the night that Phil was mad at you because of the birthday party that he thought you were paying more attention to your party than the game? And I was. The special invitation was up, and I was. Yeah, I remember that.

I remember that. I also thought, and I was curious about your thoughts of watching Giannis running around and just being so angry. I thought it was so out of character for him, but it almost reminded me of back in the day where Kobe was like, he thought he was the nice guy. Then he had to kind of act a little bit more street because he thought it was going to give him more credit. But what was your thought on Giannis and his reaction after the game and the way he handled the whole game ball situation? Well, I don't have any thoughts. You know, these guys, it's their time.

You know, I had my nice kingdom run. I try not to criticize the guys unless it's about basketball. You know, I see a lot of guys, especially now, guys taking shots at Draymond. He needs help.

He needs help. Draymond has always played like that. But back to Giannis, I love the way he plays the game.

He's definitely a champion. He gets respect from me. And when you want something in your kingdom, you go after it.

Again, I thought it was an unwritten rule that if you're at your place, everything comes to you. But, you know, he probably thought Indiana was trying to be funny, right? Especially after that hard foul. So he was probably still upset to that end. I mean, listen, you handle it how you handle it.

You know, it wasn't something that's going to get them suspended or some of this. But, you know, like I probably would have reacted the same way. I actually wouldn't have to react the same way because people know better. You know who I was in the NBA.

People know better than I could crunch them. Because I would have just met them at the bus. I was like, you know what? We're not going to do this in the arena. But everybody has to walk through that long tunnel and meet in that bus in the back, right there where they're valeting our cars.

I'll be right there. So you know what I went to go watch then because of that? I went to go watch the Rick Fox, Doug Christie video because I was covering... Yeah, you were wearing pajamas. I was covering the game that night. And you remember that? Rick went to him, pushed him in the face, met him in the tunnel. Remember the Kings all cleared the bench.

What do you remember from this game? I remember when Rick pushed him and Rick had his hands on him, like back up. And he was looking at the ref. And Doug came with the uppercut. What I knew about Rick, he ain't going to piece with Rick. Rick would not stop. See, a lot of people don't remember Rick was my enforcer.

Like when guys found me hard, I would whisper to Rick Eager, touch him up. So that was his job. So after the ref threw him out, Rick ran to the back. And I already knew what he was going to do. I already like, I knew he wasn't going to take a shower. So Jerome ran after Rick. I had the bad toe, so I kind of like walk.

I did like the Olympic fast hip movement walk. So when I got there, Doug's wife, Doug Christie's like, aimed her purse at me. I was like, don't you hit me with that purse, lady. So they got into it. And I remember because I wanted to knock out the Sacramento Kings bodyguard.

We're cool now, but he was always, whenever we had our little fake scuffles, he was like always trying to get us. So he went, him and Vlade came back. So I mushed Vlade once, and I mushed him twice.

That's like baseball. That's strike one, strike two. Now if you get to strike three, Vlade. And then the other guy was like, calm down. I was like, if you touch me, I'm going to break your jaw. And then, you know, by that time, you know, the Red Coast was all back there, but it was fun. Now when I see the Sacramento Kings security guy, you know, we just laugh at it.

Vlade probably went back to the locker room and had a smoke and a vodka and went back out to finish the game. Well, no. You know, Doug Christie's wife, you had to stay away from her. She was, she did not want to have any part of anybody interviewing Doug Christie.

You remember that? She was scary. She had that purse knocked back.

I was like, don't hit me with that purse. I'm telling you right now. It's so crazy. Let's talk about Draymond a little bit more, because I just think that Steve Kerr is the perfect coach for him because he has so much empathy for him. And even Rudy Gobert went on and talked yesterday about the empathy that he has for Draymond.

But Shaq, maybe the indefinite suspension is the perfect opportunity for him to- There is nothing wrong with Draymond. So y'all are treating him like he's crazy. He's not crazy. He's been playing like this the whole time. The same way they got him four championships. Nothing wrong with him.

That's the only thing I don't like about this situation. He needs help. He needs help. He's been playing like this the whole time. How many texts does he average a year? How many times you see him going at the referee?

This is the way he has to play to become Draymond Green. He said that. Nice guy. Well respected.

Very intelligent. Probably has a job in his career after the game. Only mistake he made is he had his arms out like that. So when somebody's close to you and you spin, you're going to make contact. Did he say at that moment, or if you put your hands on my hip and punch him in the face, no, he didn't.

I know that for a fact. He was just trying to flail, trying to get the call like he'd been doing his whole career. Hey, man. Oh, hey, and he just spun. He just made a bad decision, and he spun like this. If he would have spun like this, he probably would have made a little contact, but you did like this, and the guy was right behind you.

So you're going to make contact. But for everybody to say he needs help, he needs help, I'm not going to say that. This is the way he's been. That's the way Rodman has been his whole career, to make him a Hall of Famer.

So I mean, I'm not going to say, oh, he needs help. And what I really didn't like is the big guy all on the ground. Get your big ass up. Get up. Stop it. You sold the call.

It's a foul. Get up. I'm not going to say he needs help. No, I'm not. You don't need him. This is the way he's been playing. OK, so you want him to come in and not be himself?

That's never going to happen. I'll tell you that right now. The one thing that Rodman did that was so smart, though, he would always make the other guy make the mistake first. And then he'd react. There was something about how he played that he'd set the trap. Like, he was so smart. Yeah, but Rodman had a lot of stuff he was doing off the court. Draymond doesn't have that. So for people to say, oh, he needs help, he needs help. What help you talking about?

I just, like, I want to know. And then when you get one person saying it, the snowball affects. I hope he gets the helps he needs. That's the way he's been playing. Since he came in the league, he's been going back and forth with the refs. He's been getting texts. He's been making contact with people when they, you know, are fouls, whatever, whatever. A lot of people don't know he grew up around Detroit Bad Boys. And he said, hey, when I was 6' 3", 6' 4", this is the way I had to play.

People would have noticed me. And it's earned him respect, and it's earned him four championships. Now all of a sudden, he needs help.

But back when he was winning championships, nobody was saying anything. All of a sudden, he needs help. That's the only problem I have with the thing. However, the only mistake he made, he had his arms like this. And I don't know what type of call he was trying to sell, but when he turned around, he hit the guy in the face, a knockout blow. That made the guy go, all that. Would you like to see it in slow motion?

Would you do that in slow motion, please, for all of us here on the Roku channel? Wow. I like the Sidney Crawford look. You like it today?

Yeah, all black, hair pulled back. Very, very, very, very congressional professional. Well, thank you so much. I just wanted to come correct for you knowing that I had you on today. Congressional professional.

Maybe I'll grill some senators when I get off today. I got time. You look like the best mom ever. Thank you, Shaquille. Oh, I didn't even see that.

Yes, you did. You're full of it. You're full of it. Hey, should we make fun of the Lakers for raising the banner, the in-season tournament banner?

You like that or you don't like it? Yeah, this is not my time. Shaquille, don't you dare be judicious with words with me on this show. Whatever. It's ridiculous. Not my time.

Whatever. These are the new rules. And that's a championship, right?

But you know what? The Lakers are smart. Whoever put out that press release is genius. It says, we're going to raise this banner, but it's going to be a different color than the other championship. That line right there was smart.

I think they should raise it. It's the first inaugural in-season championship. I saw the celebration. I didn't know the celebration was going to be that big.

But when I looked at it on TV, I was saying to myself, wait, is this real? And then I asked Ernie, Kenny, and Chuck this question. I says, OK, so with this championship, let's just say a person wins three inaugural championships in a row, has a nice career. Does that make them a Hall of Famer and a great player? They couldn't answer. They couldn't answer.

So can you answer that? Mm-mm. So if the Lakers win the inaugural championship and they don't win the big championship, does Lebron still have five rings?

I feel like it's like giving out. Nobody says he has five rings now though, right, Chuck? Answer the question, best mom ever. Who's not talking? How come I can't see him? That's Chris Brockman.

Show him on the camera. We're not giving Lebron credit for a ring here, are we? Hey, Chuck, how are you? This is so lame. This is lame.

This is lame. It's like giving out trophies for Little League where everyone gets a trophy. You get a trophy.

You get a trophy. Win the ring. Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to Christopher Eugene Brockman.

Hello. Don't leave out TJ. Don't leave out TJ. He'll be so disappointed.

Throw TJ up. There he is. Last time Shaq called with you, man, he thought I interrupted you and he told me about myself. So I'm just kind of saying back.

I don't want no purpose with you, Diesel. You know what I mean? Hello. Hey, Shaq. Teddy James. How are you? Teddy James.

Nice to see you, bro. Very well, Shaquille. Can I ask you a question, Shaq? Look, you built your entire career from the time you were 16 on being the most dominant force we've ever seen in basketball. Do you remember one night in specific, though, where you went out there and it was just like, they say the hoop was as big as the ocean and you just, I mean, I'm sure you had many nights where you just did whatever you wanted.

But is there a game that stands out specifically where you were just like everything? Maybe it was drop, touch passes. You know, you were dishing the ball a little.

You were just, you were in your bag. TJ, you're so cute. You sound nervous. This is cute. I like it. I'm talking to Shaq, man. It's the Diesel, man. It's cute. Well, to answer your questions, Teddy James, thank you to the TJ, a lot of those names. And you know what?

Suzy knows this. I wanted to be like a Tim Duncan. Like, I wanted to be smooth in my game. But the double and the triple kept coming, so I had to be mean. Like, I always had to be mean. So it started in high school playing against this team. And they did that. Remember that old boxing one defense?

Oh, yeah, for sure. So when they put a guy in front of you, they put a guy behind you. And I had like 15 points and my father's gone crazy. Went absolutely crazy. So I break away. I get a fast break. And I'm 6' 11", but I'm not really Duncan because I want to be smooth. So I go to finger roll.

You have to be like Dr. J, right? Yes, yeah. I finger roll and I miss. And my father walks up in the court in the middle of the game. Time out.

In the middle of the game, go outside. And he says, what the F are you doing? I say, you know, I'm just working on my Dr. J. And before the J came out, whack, in front of everybody.

He said, F him. You need to be Shaq. You need to go out there and start dunking. So that's when I started dunking. So notice when I dunk, I dunked me and I wanted to break the rim. That's because I was always mad at him.

But when I started doing that and people started getting scared, I was like, oh, this is what he was talking about. He always used to tell me, dominate. And I always thought dominate meant a lot of points, a lot of rebounds.

But he's been dominating all aspects of the game. So after he touched me up, I went back in the game and coach called the player and said, nah, forget that. Give me the ball. So every time I dunked, I would look at him and he would go. And then when I dunked, the crowd would go crazy. Because I was dunking and kicking my legs up and trying to kick the defenders in the face. I was just so angry at that. And I was actually crying in the game.

When I cried, I had a tear. I was just dunking. I had like 60 points. You won by like 90 points. And then after the game, we were at home. He didn't say nothing.

He just opened doors like, this is the way you need to start playing or else. It's like, I don't want to get touched up every game. So I just start dunking and dunking and dunking. And that's where I got my signature Dunkman logo from.

Well, shout out to the Sarge for making you the Shaq that went out there and just did things that no one else could, man. Yeah, babe. You're a mom. I am, three times over. Were we hard on Zion? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Excuse me. Excuse me, you need to tell me, I was hard on Zion. I mean, you're- I didn't say anything about how he looks. Let me tell you why I didn't say anything about how he looks.

I just said, I sat there on the floor. He didn't run hard. He didn't step up into the challenge. And he didn't create easy points whatsoever. That's what I said.

Right. The reason why I didn't get to the whole weight thing, because that's what you guys used to say about me. But the difference is, my third championship when I was a big guy, I still put up numbers. And I still did what I wanted to do.

And I still won the championship. I never got into the whole weight thing. I don't think he's out of shape. You can't be out of shape playing like that. Like, people always just say, you're out of shape. And I'm out of shape. And I'm the leading scorer in the league. I'm out of wrestling shape.

Got four people jumping on me. I'm out of that shape. But I'm not out of that.

I never got into that. I'm just saying. But I think the difference was, Shaq, was that you, when you were bigger, I'll put it to you that way, you were still dominant. And you still changed the outcome of the game. And I think it's different with Zion, because it's just not the same.

He's not racking every night. And you say that, sorry, go ahead. I never questioned the shape, because that would be hypocritical of me. I never said anything about the shape. I just said, that's Charles, and I said he's out of weight. I never said that.

Go back to that. I just said, again, when I saw him play, he didn't run hard. He acted like he didn't want it. Because before the game, I was saying, OK, the king, the king, the king, the king, you got this young guy. I was looking forward to Zion coming and saying, no, LeBron, I'm coming.

I'm about to take the league over. But when I'm watching the game, he only had five rebounds. Looked like he didn't play hard.

It just didn't look good. So now everybody's saying, you're being hard on him? I try.

When I go on these guys, I'm trying to give them hidden messages inside what I say, but I try not to go personal. I never said anything about his weight. He's a big guy. He's a big-boned guy. He's been like that in high school and college.

He can play like that. But if you're going to play, I think you should always step up to the challenge. So mom, you said I was being hard on Zion, and I scared you, mom. I think you're being fair with him. I also think that you have to push a kid.

I'm not from LA, where everything is perfect. You have to push a kid. And that's all I was trying to do. A lot of time when I say something, I actually want these guys to get mad, because I want to see their reaction. If they don't get mad, I know they can't be got to. You think other guys took it too far, like Stephen A.? Listen, those, again, it's not my time.

Listen, that's their opinion, but I didn't want to go there, because that's how they used to say the same thing about me. Oh, he's fat. He's out of shape. He didn't come back prepared.

He didn't work out in the offseason. I never needed to, because I knew what I was going to do. No, but you used to get pissed. I did.

I did. But you always used to stick up for me. I appreciate you.

Thanks, honey. Before we go, Cowboys, you want to talk about Cowboys really quick? How are you feeling about them? You know, I haven't been watching them, so I think I was their bad luck piece. Why are you not watching? Because they're winning. Every time I watch, they don't win.

So I'm just not going to watch. But I hear through the grapevine that they're doing very, very well. And what is their record? What's their record, Chris? 10 and 3. 10 and 3. 10 and 3. 10 and 3. Oh, ooh. So you're really not watching, babe. I'm not watching, but I know we beat the, ah. Ah. We beat the Migos.

The Yardbirds. Really quick, I want to show some great pictures of you from Shaka Claws, because it means so much to me to show that side of you. So I want to throw up some photographs. But can you talk to me a little bit about how you use your time and you walk into a room, Shaq, and you light it up.

But it's also you put your money where your mouth is. So can you just talk to us a little bit about Shaq LaClaus? So if you go back to a picture of you for a second. OK. You see that sign right there, the best mom ever? I've seen you around your kids, and you are the perfect mom. And this is the same way I feel about my mother, Dr. Lucille O'Neal. So I have to acknowledge that she invented Shaq LaClaus by accident. 1992, she was at the Boys and Girls Club. And she was probably speaking to like 50 kids. But because it was Shaq's moms, everybody showed up. Parents, moms, there was like 1,000 people there. And a lot of the moms, when she was telling her single mom story, a lot of the moms came up to her.

Oh my God, tell us how you did it. We had the same struggles growing up. And by the way, our kids are not getting anything for Christmas because you possibly don't. And my mom never says no. So she called me, and I could hear a little bit of stress in her voice. Because she did something she never does.

Trust me, my mom gets a beautiful allowance. But she calls and says, baby, I need to borrow some money. And I was like, what's going on? She's like, I met some babies, and I want to get some toys for them. I said, OK, how many did you meet? She said, there was like 1,000 kids there.

But I don't want you to buy 1,000, I want you to buy some. I said, we can't do that. I'll take care of it. Because I don't like to see my mom stress and struggle because she did that. And the day I became NBA player, I told her, you're done. I don't want you working. I don't want you doing anything. I just want you relaxed.

Thank you, now let me take care of you. So me and Uncle Jerome, we didn't have a plan, Susie. So we're riding home, and I see you all, 1995. So you know I always got my guys with me. So there was four of us. I said, hey, go get some trunks. So we got four trunks. And we went to the Toys R Us, and we wasn't shopping. We was just grabbing.

Hey, get 50 bikes. Because I wanted to make my mom proud. And then I called my mom and said, all right, we took care of it.

What do you mean? I said, tell the people I'll be there tomorrow to practice, set up a stage area, get two chairs, one for me and one for you. And yeah, mommy, can you go get two of those Santa Claus hats so we can sit there? And then we sat there. And when the kids came in, they were going crazy. They were crying. And we were like, oh my god, bikes.

And this was when the Play Station, not Play Station, but the Sega games were first hot. I bought like real toys. Mom was like, how did you do this? I was like, I didn't do it. You did it.

That was the first annual. And for 20 years straight, I did it by myself. And then Toys R Us called me one day and said, bro, you've been spending all this money on Toys R Us?

Let us help you. And I was like, OK, cool. So I will continue to spend money.

And then Toys R Us came along, and we made it bigger. But this is her baby. And her and my father always taught me that if you can help someone in need, do that. I don't celebrate Christmas.

Let me rephrase that. I tell my kids and my friends, don't get me a gift. Because if you show me a movie where Santa receives a gift, then I receive a gift. If I can make other people happy, especially kids who think they're not going to get anything, that does it for me. Because going back to the best mom ever, my mom watches TV all the time. And the reason why I've stayed mostly out of trouble, I'm going to act like I'm perfect. I'll get into trouble sometime, and she'll call me. But the reason why I stayed mostly out of trouble is because when she's watching interviews like this or watching TV shows, I want her to have that continuous smile. Because it was a time from 5 to 13, I was a high-level juvenile delinquent with no plan. And she always worried. She always worried about me. But once my father gave me that Dr. J ball, because he told me, and I know I'm being long-winded, but these are stories that I think people can gather a lot from.

15 million people to 20 million kids will wake up on Christmas and not receive one gift. But since I was the man of the house, my father was like, son, you know the job when it comes to a woman? He's like, no, sir. He said, you have to protect, provide, and love for your woman. And you know, I got to take care of your mom. You got four sisters.

I have to take care of them first. And I was like, OK, sir. He was like, so that means when I get the Barbies in the Barbie house, I'm not going to have enough money.

But I'll get you the next payday. I understood that, because I love my sisters. So one Christmas morning, 13 years old. This is the day I received my Superman Krypton powers.

Kids wake up early. They're out there, oh, my god, thank you. And I'm in the room, because I'm not getting none.

The early term, I'm not getting none. So I'm not going to go out there. So I'm laying in my bed, kind of crying. And he opens the door after all the noise has simmered down. And he throws the ball, hit me right in the stomach. Let's go play some ball. I was like, cool. He's like, not with that one.

Look at it. And it was an autographed Dr. J ball. And then, you know, after that, after the kids kind of were, you know, going out playing, he's like, hey, meet me at the card, you know, 8 o'clock. Why? We're going to go watch Dr. J play.

Go ahead. And that is Square Garden. At the top, Dr. J goes baseline, throws it down, crowds go crazy. I look at my father, and I'm saying, sir, this is what I want to be when I grow up. And that day changed my life.

But again, back to the Shacker Claws. Thank you, Mommy. I love you. I love you, Miss Susie. My boys loved you and your husband.

Love you, TJ. And what's the other guy's name? Tony? Chris.

Chris Eugene. Jack. Love you, Jack. Love you, buddy. You're the man, Shaq. Thanks for your time.

You're the greatest. All right. Bye-bye. Bye-bye, honey. Take a break. When we come back, we'll close up this edition of The Rich Eisen Show.

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I'm good, Rich. Late last night, and then again this morning when I woke up, dozens of texts, some claiming it must be real, some saying this can't be true. And one said, this is the best indication that hell has frozen over since the old four Red Sox or the 2016 Cubs. But I am here to assure you and everybody else that the fires of hell are still very much blazing because I am absolutely not on Twitter.

They have taken the bogus account down. And I began thinking, you know, what would actually, what would I have to do before I ever deigned to be on Twitter? What, like binge watch The Real Housewives of Orange County? Make a return trip to Sochi just for the nostalgia of a pink eye episode? Star in a school to basket ball?

Or just for you, just for you, Rich? Yes, Bob. Make a special trip to the NFL combo. All those things will happen before I'm ever on Twitter. OK, so this is the real Bob Costas. We can confirm that now. Yeah.

Twitter needs that. Oh my gosh. Your son tweeted it out that this is not you. When I saw the first screen grab that Keith sent to me, one tip off should be, look, I'm a reasonably humble and self-effacing guy. But would I knowingly shortchange myself seven Emmys?

The guy couldn't even get the number of Emmys right. Exactly. I said that.

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Call clickrainger.com or just stop by. Ian in Charlottesville, what do you have for us you've been holding on for a while? Hello. Oh my goodness. It's good to be on the show. Thanks for taking the call. Of course.

Thanks, Ian. I just wanted to brag about the Ravens a little bit because my goodness, they are on fire. Well, the floor is yours.

Let's hear what you have to think. Well, I'm just proud of them because they've been blowing people out. You know, whether it's Houston, Cleveland, Seattle, they've defenestrated Detroit in their own stadium, again. So I'm just really happy about them. And I don't really feel nervous going into this weekend about Jacksonville.

I'm nervous about the call, actually. Interesting. I like it. I like your use of defenestration was excellent, by the way. I have to say, that's a five-point word. Nicely done there, Ian.

That's a good one. Ian, thanks for calling in. Happy holidays to you. Let's sneak in Dennis from Long Beach. Dennis, what's your Otani contract theory? Happy Friday, everybody.

Happy Friday. It's pretty interesting from last night's game is Antonio Pierce, who had LeVar Arrington and Eze Uzumimata, whose name I can never pronounce, pronounced both on his staff when he was coaching Long Beach Poly High School. Also coach Jack Jones, who was a member of that squad.

So I don't know, last time a professional football player was coached in the NFL and the high school by the same coach. And then real quick on Shohei Otani, he's a very, very smart man the way he played this. I'm wondering if in 10 years when they owe him $680 million, which is currently 10% to 15% of the value of the club, he says, hey, I'll trade you what you owe me for a share in the team. Oh, I like that a lot. That's a great move. That would be a smart move.

That would be a lot of cat food. That's a great, great theory. Smart move. Can you imagine if that's really his play? He's long term thinking. I mean, $2 million to give this up. I mean, the guy, he's done something.

Nobody else has done negotiations. He's clearly as smart as any executive in baseball. He's either got a great agent and great business people, or it's just Shohei. And by the way, I'd put nothing past him. I think the world of him.

So you could be very right. Have a great weekend, everybody. Bye, Dennis, take care and have a great holiday season. Stream the NFL from Westwood One for free, sponsored by AutoZone all season long. You can listen to every Westwood One broadcast of the NFL live on the NFL app by asking Alexa to open WWO Sports or on your Westwood One affiliate stations' digital platforms.

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I'm just saying. Also, you can listen to What the Football, people. What the Football.

You can download that app. Amy Trask and I have Dan Patrick on as well. Let's take a quick break. And when we come back, we will sew up this edition of the Rich Eisen Show.

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We're repairing neighborhoods, but then we're into nosy neighbors. And I built a career off of that. Find out more by searching the Stacking Benjamins podcast wherever you listen. Earlier this week on What the Football with Amy Trask and myself, we had Dan Patrick on as our guest to go open up the memory banks on SportsCenter. Did Berman ever give you a nickname? He called me the Charlotte Observer.

Oh. Because I came in from CNN, and they had me observe for three months on how to do SportsCenter. And I would just come in, and I would observe.

And Chris would come in, and he'd go, it's the Charlotte Observer. Oh, he was. And I went, yep, I'm here. And finally, after two months, I went to my boss, and I said, I know how to do this. I did this at CNN.

I can do this. And my first show was with Chris. Chris just did the 11 o'clock. And he said, observer, I'm going to observe with you. And he stayed and did the late night SportsCenter. My first SportsCenter was with Chris. I've never forgotten that.

It was a generous gesture to do it. But I couldn't get over how loud he sounded. When you're sitting next to him, and then he said to me, it's like being with the Beatles. And I went, oh, wow. And then he goes, or Elvis. And I went, damn, OK. I'm just the Charlotte Observer. You're fucking Elvis for you.

But you do remember what you did to Rich before his first SportsCenter, right? I walked by, and he was looking at highlights. And I just said it in that deep voice where I go, are you nervous? And he's like, no, why?

Should I? Dan, that is exactly what Al Davis said to me umpteen times throughout my career. He'd give me some project to do, and then he'd look at me and say, try not to fuck it up. Nervous. Back on the Rich Eisen Show to show up this edition of the Rich Eisen Show, I want to talk to you about game time. If you're the mom in the family, if you're the dad in the family, if you're the one buying the tickets, you need the tickets. You have to go online and find the tickets.

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I need a job for that alone. So that's what I do. Great interview with Shaq.

I think he is fantastic. Sometimes he gets wound up and you just get out of his way. It's like, it's like basically if you're a defender in the lane, just step aside.

So you'll get flat. We were the Chris Dudley in that interview. Or the Michael Olla candy. Just ran us over and then threw the ball at us. The Dwayne Shintes, just brought the whole backboard down.

I make the backboard, shout out. Sean, what was the six foot, seven foot six. We were the Sean Bradley in that. There was one time where he, he just, he was just in a mood and he lowered his shoulder.

I don't think Sean Bradley's ever recovered. I mean, sometimes when the diesels come through, you got to get out of the way. He was a big man. Thanks for the show today, guys. Yeah, this was fun. I went super fast. Way too quick. I went very fast.

So fast. I'm going to go home. I'm going to order some merch, Roku Joe.

If you're watching, let's have a, let's have a chat. I'm just saying some merch is coming. Christmas is coming early for the rich guys and Joe.

I'll take free stuff too. Oh, you want some stuff, Mikey? Come on.

Well, you're so skinny now. You need smaller jerseys. Yeah. Yeah.

We're going to get you some new, some new polos. Yeah. You and Shaq are both wasting away. What's happening here in front of my very eyes. Shaq looks great. He looks really good. And he's very, he's very, he's very vain about it.

He likes, he likes the look in the mirror. I brought a gingerbread house. You guys, are we supposed to eat it? You can eat that one. It's an edible gingerbread house. Take a piece in the way. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Unless it's made of gingerbread. Thanks. Great to be with you guys.

You know, I always love to be in the chair. Thanks to Tom Pelissero. Thanks to Shaquille O'Neal. And to everybody here at the rich eyes and show on our behalf. We say, thank you, you love Lala Kent on Vanderpump rules.

Now get to know her on give them Lala. I don't know that I would call it respect that I have for Sandoval, but the world hated him. He still went out, performed shows with his head held high. He showed up to the reunion when we all were going after him. Like he didn't skip a beat the way he's handling it. If I were in his position and I said it straight up to the entire audience, thousands of people, I would tell you all to and the room was dead. Watch what Lala is talking about on YouTube or search for give them Lala wherever you listen.