Tom Verducci breaks down Shohei Ohtani's deal with the Dodgers

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We've got to get to our guest, though. He is the ultimate hyphenate senior writer for Sports Illustrated, an analyst for Fox and an Emmy Award winner as well. Also for Major League Baseball Network, Tom Verducci back here in the Rich Isaac show. Good to see you, Tom.

Good to see you, Rich. I have questions, Tom. I've got a lot of questions. I have many questions.

All right. Give me the tick tock on what happened with Shohei Ohtani at the end of last week. And then that culminated with his Instagram post that he's going to the Dodgers. Yeah, well, I think he wound up at a place we thought maybe since he was in high school.

Right. I just thought they were going to sign up at a high school. And when this free agency began, I think we all expect that he was going to wind up with the Dodgers and how it came to be. No one saw this coming in terms of Toronto being really the only other finalists here, the Swede stakes and especially the contract. Seven hundred million just was a jaw dropping number. Of course, it took a couple of days before he figured out, well, it's maybe not exactly seven hundred million.

It's more like four hundred sixty million in present day dollars. But I think, Rich, you have to look at this differently. First of all, we know he's the unicorn, right? So why not have a unicorn contract?

And it is there's nothing like it that never has been in baseball, completely legal, completely within the bounds of the collective bargaining agreement. And most importantly, this was Shohei's idea. Shohei sat down with both teams and said, I want to defer most of my money. He actually started out telling his agent, Nesbilello, can I defer everything?

And he looked up. It was like, well, you can't play for free. You have to play for at least the minimum. And they settled on two million. So now Otani is making less than Austin Barnes, the backup catcher for the Dodgers. And he's the most talented player in the history of baseball, making less than a backup catcher. So, you know, the Dodgers got themselves, you can say this for a seven hundred million dollar contract, a true bargain, so much so that now they're going after Yasunobu Yamamoto and Josh Hader because of the money they saved on Otani. It's crazy. It is. All right.

So let's take it one at a time here. So why did Otani not go in the direction of the Northeast? Why didn't the because I imagine the Yankees and the Red Sox would have fallen all over themselves to enrich him in the same way the Dodgers did or the Blue Jays were willing to or everyone else.

What why? Why did Otani not go in that direction? No question, you're right. And I applaud him for not using those teams to drive up the bidding and just be a stalking horse.

Right. I mean, if you're a free agent, you always want to get those teams involved for nothing else to get the price up. But remember, when he was a free agent, he first signed with the Angels. He could have waited two more years and made more than two hundred million dollars. Instead of coming over at age twenty three, he signs for two point three million with the Angels in a minor league contract. And he said at that time he did not want Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, you name it.

The Accela corridor ruled them out right away. First of all, this guy wants to play climate controlled or really good weather. It's important to him because he's a two way player, doesn't want to go through cold weather, humidity, wind conditions, all those things that can disrupt your schedule.

Preacher routine just didn't want the big city, but most importantly, outdoors iffy weather. And that was the same case this time around where he just ruled out those teams. They were never in it. I don't, Rich, I don't even think the Giants were in it based on their ballpark, their weather, the fact that they're not really a playoff caliber team right now and who should say when they will be. So really, it was just Toronto, which has a dome, which he loves, by the way, his numbers are great there.

It reminds him a lot of the Sapporo Dome where he played in Japan and the Dodgers. The Angels really weren't in it. They weren't getting to this kind of a number. So limited field. And this guy, Max Dallert, the greatest contract ever for an athlete. So the Angels. So I guess in retrospect, the Angels should have flipped him a couple of summers ago or something like that.

I mean, is that a fair 20, 20 hindsight to have here, Tom, at all? You could definitely make that argument just based on, you know, the arc of a team and especially the Angels, haven't been in the playoffs in forever to just try to get something out back. But I look at it this way, Rich, this guy really is, you know, our Babe Ruth in this generation, even better. I mean, Babe Ruth didn't play this long as a two way player the way Otani has.

And he was drawing card. It's like this priceless gem that you have. And you it's you have something of value and you just don't trade it up so you can get, what, a few more players in your minor league system to be better down the road. You know, Artie Moreno, you can make a lot of arguments about how he runs that team smartly or not. But he loves having star players there who will draw fans. And those people got to watch Shohei for six years. There's value to that. And listen, this year when they at the trade deadline, they had a winning record, a positive run differential, like two or three games out of it.

You can't pull the plug on a seed. I wasn't talking about it this year. I'm talking about it last year because I mean, let's be straight up here, Tom. I mean, you can't be obviously the number seven is surprising and as as is the structure. But two summers ago, you got to sit here and think to yourself, are we willing to go to five?

Are we willing to go to six? Because that's going to be the number if we keep playing this thing out. And and I'll tell you, you know, again, you know, Suze, you know, Suzy Schuster, you know her because you guys, you know, met years ago when the Angels with with Tim Sammon and Erstad. I mean, those guys weren't like Trout or Otani, but everybody was filling up that stadium because they were winning. So you put some winning players in there.

They're going to they're going to fill the place up. Tom, she was there. You were there.

I was there. That's the that's my point about it with the Angels here. There's no doubt that what you said is true. I mean, putting a winning team in there is going to be more attractive. You look at their attendance and they still haven't gotten back to that level where they were with winning teams.

So there's no question about that. I just think with Otani, you're never going to win a trade like that. And more than that, he can come back and haunt you because he is just the unicorn in the game. It's just this priceless asset that someone like Artie Moreno, who loves having named players who bring people to the ballpark, was just not going to trade. In fact, teams called and it was Artie Moreno, the owner, not the general manager, who took him off the trade market that year or two years ago.

Tom Verducci here on the Rich Eisen Show. OK, so now let's get to the money. It was Otani's idea to defer money and he came up with the figure initially of all of it.

Is that what you're saying? Well, what he said to Nez Bolelo is, can I defer my salary? And he wasn't dead set on all of it, but they had to look up what exactly is allowed in the CBA. What they found was the greatest percentage that's ever been before this one deferred was Max Scherzer with the Nationals. He had half, 50 percent of the two hundred and ten million dollar contract that the Nationals deferred.

You have a couple of guys, Mookie Betts, a couple of other guys in the 20 percent, maybe 30 percent. That's it. So once Nez Bolelo said you can't play for free, you have to have some number. They some reason they came up with two million.

It's as good as a one or three, I guess. But yes, it was Otani's idea. Now, a couple of reasons for that, Rich. He didn't want any team and it was mostly likely going to be the Dodgers to have to pay such a prohibitive luxury tax that they didn't have room to add players around them. It was really important for him that he didn't hamstring a team. And the other thing is even making two million dollars next year, guess who the highest paid player in baseball is? It's Shohei Otani because he's making 50 million off the field.

There's nobody like him in baseball in terms of being an international brand ambassador for whatever you want. So he's got 50 million in his pocket going to the next year. So if you defer out six hundred and eighty million 10 years from now with no interest, he's OK with that. I mean, just imagine the cartwheels the Dodgers did down the hallways when he came up with this idea that I'll play for you for two million a year.

Crazy. So does this mean that the twenty thirty three or twenty thirty four through twenty forty three Dodgers are going to have to pay sixty eight million dollars on it? Does that count towards a luxury tax then or that's this is now completely separate from what counts towards a luxury tax? Well, the Dodgers just don't care that the entirety of the collective bargaining agreement may be totally different by then. Anyway, let's just kick the can down the road and screw it with World Series now. What about that? Well, they don't care because they're essentially getting a Ferrari that they don't have to pay for until 10 years from now and with no interest attached to it. And that's why the number is actually forty six a year, not 70 year in true present day dollars. Now, they'll have to fund that money. They will have to pay that 60 million per year starting in twenty thirty four. By the way, they're also going to have to pay Mookie Betts about 10 or 11 million. Those guys will be forty eight, forty nine years old. They're still collecting millions upon millions from the Dodgers. But as you fund that money and it accrues interest and it's less then that far out than it is today, that's a no brainer for the Dodgers to do. And, you know, I hate to say this because we are so accustomed, Rich, to looking at these deals and say they're all Trojan horses. Right.

What is going on here, actually? And Otani is just a different cat, man. I always say, when you think about what's the golden age of baseball, it's usually that time when you were 10 years old.

Right. Because that's when you just have these wide eyes and you're looking at baseball for the first time and falling in love. Well, not to sound corny, but that's the way Otani looks at the game. And I think we're better off looking like this, looking at this like Otani and being more naive than cynical when it comes to this deal.

It's a great deal for the Dodgers and it's a great deal for Otani. And he did take this from a really humble point of view to say, I don't want to hamstring the team and I can afford to do this by getting 50 million coming to me off the field. Well, and again, though, it's not like the NFL and the NBA where you're circumventing a hard cap and you're taking advantage of the soft part of a cap. This is to avoid paying lower market teams money that you don't want them to just pocket, because it's not going to go back into the competitive spirit of the game, because they're going to, the Angelos aren't going to suddenly say, we're going to start paying people 25 million dollars a year because we'll take some luxury tax money and do that. So my question for you is the luxury tax was set up so teams like the Dodgers wouldn't have the top of an order being Betts, Freeman, Otani.

That's why you have this system. And it's now been completely circumvented now by the largess of somebody, as you point out, is not cynical in Otani, but it's happening. How does Major League Baseball feel about this right now? First of all, they're happy that this guy is with the Dodgers, right?

I mean, we have not seen Otani in the postseason, and that's a pretty good chance, considering the Dodgers have been in the postseason 11 straight years. You're going to see that now. You want your best players in the biggest state.

That's going to happen. Dodgers are a big brand. There's no question about it. This helps Major League Baseball.

As far as circumvention goes, I mean, this is totally allowable in the CBA. Listen, Otani, you're never going to see someone play pitch and hit like Otani ever again. Not at this level. I'm sorry. People are saying, you know, does this open the door for more Otani's?

No, he's that much of a unicorn. And the same with this contract. What other player, Rich, is going to get to free agency and say defer 97 percent of my salary?

Nobody. I mean, again, the Dodgers must have been doing cartwheels when he brought that up. Most guys walk in there and they say, I want the money. I want to set records. I want a luxury box. I want limo rides or plane rides back and forth to home.

I want all these perks. He didn't ask for any of that. He actually did the opposite and said, you can have the money for 10 years.

I don't need it. Exactly what he said. He actually told the Dodgers these numbers are laughable.

He used that word. I mean, we just have to look at Otani differently than we do most of these players who get to the peak of their profession and want to max out because their value is detached. Don't get me wrong. He still has great value. Nobody's feeling sorry for him in terms of the money.

But this is a very gracious, unusual and, I think, unique gesture. And as far as the salary structure, Rich, the way I look at it now is we used to have the haves and have nots. We have three tiers now. You have the Dodgers and the Mets, then you have the haves and then you have the have nots. And that's the way it is right now. And maybe the Yankees want to join the Dodgers and the Mets and maybe Yamamoto pushes the Yankees in that regard. But, yeah, they're playing by different rules. But look what happened to the postseason last year.

Arizona took him out in three games. So that's the great equalizer. The baseball postseason now is the great equalizer. It's hard to imagine the Dodgers not making the playoffs when they have Otani 10 straight years. But how many championships? I don't know. If they get one, that's a lot the way the game is going because of the postseason, because being that super third tier team, that super team, so to speak, doesn't guarantee you anything in a five game series.

Tom Verducci, a couple of minutes left. I've got two more questions for you. First one, what about Mike Trout? Any idea how this is landing with him and what what what he might want to do, do you think? Yeah, I mean, first of all, the whole idea that Trout was going to be traded was a complete false narrative. If you know Mike Trout, he's not that kind of a guy.

He wants to please people. He's just the same kid from Millville, hangs out with the same high school buddies, never got in a free agency. Remember, there was about twenty two teams that passed on Mike Trout. The Angels drafted him. He's never forgotten that he has signed two extensions with them. The only way they would ever trade Mike Trout if he walked in and said, get me out of here, trade me. He's not doing that. Now, he may go in there and say, listen, you guys better figure out a way to make this team more competitive because I want to win. But he's not the kind of guy to say trade me. And Yamamoto is the the biggest name that's out there.

What does everything else look like now that the Otani domino has finally fallen? Yeah, this is amazing because Yamamoto people thought the number was going to be a little over two hundred million dollars. Plus, there's a posting fee attached to that, about thirty to forty million.

Now that number is going to wind up over three hundred, whether it's with the posting fee or without it. The market's going up because literally half the teams in baseball want to sign these guys. It takes a free agent at twenty five as a number one pitcher, and he's got the Yankees and the Mets bidding against each other. And oh, by the way, the Dodgers asked Otani, how would you feel about Yamamoto being on the team? He's like, go for it.

Sure. This is one reason why I'm deferring all this money. And they're after Josh Hayter. I mean, so Yamamoto is really going to kill it.

But there's also Roki Sasaki coming from Japan. If he is posted to me, he's actually the better pitcher than Yamamoto. He throws a lot harder. He's more of a strikeout pitcher. Yamamoto is great.

Don't get me wrong. He's a real pitch maker, but I don't know where Yamamoto is going to wind up. But that number keeps going up. He's got until January 4th to sign. And he's got the Yankees, the Mets and the Dodgers falling over themselves trying to sign him. I think he's going to do OK, Rich. I think so, too.

What's the last one for you? The most likely owner to call his superstar player and say, how much do you want to defer? Who's who's the one that's going to call up their superstar player making a gajillion dollars and saying this ninety ninety to seven percent? What do you think? Just give it a whirl?

Hey, you miss one hundred percent of the shots you don't take. Right. So which which owner you think is going to do that, Tom?

Yeah, I think maybe the Dodgers do that again with Yamamoto once already. Just keep it going, man. If you can do it, why can't you? Tom, thanks for the time, man.

Let's do this more often to the light. Thanks for the information. Right back at you. That's Tom Ferducci of Sports Illustrated Fox and Major League Baseball Network. How does Major League Baseball feel about this? That's the question I ask.

How dumb of me to ask that question? Because I'm sitting here thinking I'm sitting here thinking they set these rules up to prevent a team with a gajillion dollars going out and having a lineup that starts with Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman and Shoei Ohtani. They have done that on purpose to make it tough for very rich people who don't like to spend money. When it goes to other people. Who don't like to spend money. OK, if you are very rich owning a team, you spend money and it shows up on your field and it shows up with a trophy in your case.

Go for it. Well, you are a rich person and the cost of putting people on your field and putting a trophy in your case costs you money you have to give to other rich people you know are rich. And will not use that money in the same way to compete with you. But would rather feather their own nests.

You're like to hell with that. And that's how they have set up these rules. And now maybe the richest team in the sport has circumvented these rules.

Because they found a unicorn who can not only hit for power, but run for days like a deer and throw like a Cy Young player. And that person is like, I'm rich enough. Pay me nothing, pay me nothing. Tom Verducci said his first thought to his agent was like, can I defer all of it? All of it? What? I'm getting 50 mil from cat food. Why do I need this?

Can I defer all of it? And here I am saying to Tom Verducci, well, how does baseball feel about that? And he's just like, well, he's going to a team that's made 11 straight postseasons. And what better way to get people to watch the sport than have the most famous guy on planet Earth in the sport play when the most eyeballs are on the sport and be in the number two media market of the United States of America. And they play San Francisco, which is a top five media market. They play Chicago, which is the top five media market. And they visit New York, number one media market for one of the most legendary franchises. And on top of it.

No one else will do what Otani just did, which is like defer all of it. So the rules still have teeth, but in this case, you know, that's the way the omelettes made. We broke a few eggs out there in Los Angeles. Holy crap. Why couldn't he do it for the Yankees? Well, for the Red Sox, Red Sox, and there's a guy in New York City.

Yes, because it seems like, wait, I could have done this. Here's when I know that the Sox weren't going to sign Otani when they traded Mookie Betts. Well, that too. That was the first time. OK, it was April this year and it was pouring down rain and he was starting for Anaheim and he looks around and goes, yeah, this sucks. Yeah.

And so if he was like he doesn't want cold weather because it messes with his his type of rainouts, any of that stuff, it messes with his preparation. So we had no chance. So neither did the Cubs. You heard like the Cubs are in on it. No chance. Look, at least I can tolerate and like the Dodgers, so I'm cool with that.

No, no, you can't. Sox would have annoyed me. Yankees would have annoyed. Who are you?

What are you talking about? You're a Clipper fan. You're a Clipper fan. They're the Lakers of baseball.

What's the reason for the Angels? Well, my grandfather, my grandfather was the biggest fan. Dude, you are a Met fan and you are a Clipper fan, which means you would fit right in with the Angels fans.

Now, just get your thunder sticks and go right down. Like I said, Anaheim power because you fit right in perfectly there. I grew up watching Dodgers game. So I got no problem with this guy. But when it comes to professional football, he's not he's not rooting for those clucky teams. Is he? I think I just said, all right, I'm just bitter.

I'm a bitter, bitter man right now hearing all this information. Nobody likes the Dodgers. Is that what you said? No, there's a lot of people here who are you talking about, though?

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That's why Otani didn't want to leave. What's on your mind, Lee? What's on your mind? Well, first of all, I just want to go around the room real quick. Brockman, you need to take me to a Rams game one day. I'd really like that. OK, sure. All right.

He's got to go firstly. Jason, when he picks me up, when I go to the Rams game with Brockman, can you give me a ride in your Maserati? OK, you got it. OK. And T.J., thanks for the call this morning. I really love you, dude. You're my favorite guy. You're welcome.

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The audience consulted. That's us doing our job, Lee. That's what's up. Now, for the sports thing, I wanted to talk about why I think the Chiefs are screwing up. OK. Two words.

Eric, the enemy. Like, I don't know, I play a lot. I have 30 something fantasy football teams, you know? What? Yeah, I do. I really I'm kind of it's kind of insane.

My girl doesn't like it very much. OK. But if you look, fam hell on a weekly basis, out scores fantasy fantasy versus Patrick Mahoney. I hear you, Lee. And and and and you know, I see where you're going on that front. And by the way, thank you for calling and call back again. OK, brother, you be well. What are you smoking, bro?

Give me thank you. T.J. Plus, you know, but in all seriousness, though, the fantasy he the fantasy aspect of it, I just wanted to place aside the Eric the enemy part of it is, well, you know, you heard that from Chris Long yesterday. The name Eric the enemy, and you're hearing that a lot, because last year, with all due respect to Juju Smith Schuster. They won a Super Bowl with the pretty much same receiving corps, right?

More that they currently have right now. And Rashid Rice is replacing, if you will. Juju Smith, you do right, Juju out and she and and he's better than Juju Smith Schuster right now. I think we can all say that, although Juju's kind of been in an offensive wasteland in New England all year.

With all due respect, though, this kid, Rashid Rice, is been a revelation compared to the way everyone else around him plays in the receiver room for Kansas City. And Chris Long said yesterday, and we posted it on our Instagram page and TikTok and everything else at Rich Eisen Show with a reel where he basically said, I don't think my home receivers hate him, but you know, it sure seems like it sometimes. And he mentioned Eric the enemy, because what is the difference if receivers are dropping it and not running the routes at proper depth and not being there or Mahomes expecting him to? And that might be a residual effect of not feeling that they're being held accountable enough. Now, the issue with that is I would imagine Mahomes is in charge of making the players feel accountable.

And it's one of those red asses and all time greats that you just simply don't want to let down. You think Marquez Valdes Gantling looks likes looking at Mahomes after he drops one? Or you like, you know, if one of you thinks guy more, if he runs the route at the wrong depth, likes going back to Mahomes because he knows they all know what's happening.

And so does Mahomes, which is why I think. He snapped after Gedarius, Tony was called for. Offensive offsides at the ref, because what's he going to do, air out Tony like that in front of in front of Tony Romo and everybody? Yeah, you had a good point with that. And so because him, he just didn't sound rational, like him going up to Josh Allen afterwards and complaining to Josh. Josh is like, all right, what is he going to say? Or saying that the ref should just let him play the ref when the ref threw the flag, had no idea one of the craziest off the wall, remarkable plays was about to unfold and be erased by his flag in no idea flags thrown.

It really could have been a sack and he went on officiating the rest of the play. Exactly. So it doesn't really make sense. It's irrational. So I'm trying to get a rational thought where he just lost it.

And he went on local radio in Kansas City yesterday and and made mention. Obviously, you don't want to react that way. I just I mean, I care, man. I love it.

I love I love this game. I love my teammates and I want to go out there and put everything on the line to win. But obviously can't can't do that. I mean, can't be that way towards officials or really anybody in life. So I'll probably regret acting like that. But more than anything, I mean, I regretted the way I acted towards Josh after the game because he had nothing to do with it.

And so I was I was still hot and emotional. But you can't do that, man. It's not a great example for for kids watching the game. So that that was more upset about that than I was about me on the sideline. That's the drive with Carrington Harrison.

And, you know, sports machine, I think Sean Levine for saying all that. Exactly. He has enough goodwill build up to that. So let's just if there's anybody who's earned a pass him to go, you know. To hit free parking and then in collect money on go and go around, you know, and it's probably the water's been boiling since week one.

I believe that's what it is. You know, your point yesterday, Rich, was that he was yelling at his receivers through the you've right through the refs. And you've heard coaches that won't call out the star player, but will go all over the fifty third, fifty second man on the roster about doing the thing that the star player did.

And you jump on the player that you you can like a Jimmy Johnson thing, right? Let's just call it for what it is, what it was, a penalty and something that the Chiefs are are frustrated bunch right now. It won't happen again.

And giving a pass to two. Well, I could only just my various stories. You just line up on sides. All right. Let's let's hit it right now. It's an overreaction Monday on a Tuesday. Hit it. Hit it. That was terrible. That was crap. That was garbage. This place sucks. Overreaction Mondays, Monday on a Tuesday.

All right. I like it. What do you got over there, Chris? Hey, guys, what's up?

What do you got? Hey, we're doing better than the Dolphins. Miami, not serious Super Bowl contenders. No, right. That's an overreaction. Just the spec is real.

It is indeed real. Come on. I haven't beaten anybody to as horrible in prime time. And then they go out last night and do that.

The number of times we've seen teams struggle in late, late games that they should win and. Now, and then go on and run. I'm not going to discard them.

I will not discard them. They're still incredibly talented. I love the coach.

I love the players on that team in terms of getting to where this team needs to go. I think they lost focus. I think they lost Tyree kill.

And I think they, you know, for a very significant period of the game, they lost their center. I know these are all, quote unquote, excuses, but I'm not going to discard them as serious Super Bowl contenders. You are not. Serious people.

Thank you very much. I'll just call that an overreaction. I understand why you'd react that way. Let's see what happens. They've got some, you know, some competition coming up again. Miami, two of their final four opponents is Dallas at home and at Baltimore.

And then you can add Buffalo on for size at the end of it. They may not win any of these games. I hear you. They might win them all, too. You never know. That's true. What else, Chris? I'm watching the Eagles play in the last couple of weeks.

And you know what? David Carr was right. They should rest Jalen Hurts until he's 100 percent. No way. No way. Come on, man. When did he get hurt? After he galloped in the end zone, like a deer against the Buffalo Bills to end that game in overtime?

And adrenaline is a wonderful thing. OK. He's definitely not right. He's definitely not playing as well as he did last year. You're going to put Marcus Mariota against the Dallas Cowboys. Is that really what you were going to do? They already went and got him into last year. Come on.

You're not going to do that. They're already in the playoffs. So get him healthy because for when it really matters. Do you care about winning the Super Bowl or not?

No, I still disagree with David. I do think he is not 100 percent. I do not believe Marcus Mariota should be placed in the starting role if just because Hurts needs to get rest up. I mean, if the guy is physically able to go run the ball a little better or focus a little bit more on DeAndre Swift. I mean, you know who dropped the ball?

A.J. Brown had one right in his hands, right on the right on the three yard line in the first quarter of that game, dropped it. You know, Devante Smith had a touchdown, dropped it.

All three of them fumbled it. Why? You don't think that would happen if Marcus Mariota was starting? That's an overreaction. You're you're two for two right now. You should you're so good. I'm on fire at this hit, right?

You should defer 97 percent of your salary. Is that an overreaction? Let's talk offline. OK, watching the Bears play rich fields is so good. I like him. The Bears should take Marvin Harrison first overall.

No, let's go away. We love Marvin Harrison here. You know what they should do?

They should wind up. If you are Justin Fields, you should trade whoever's two. If whoever's two needs a quarterback. Trade with them, go down one spot, get all their picks, get not all their picks, but a significant amount, and then use that one on Marvin Harrison. You're just going to choose them first overall. And you're come on. Who cares?

Why not? I think he's incredibly talented, but he's still in the Hall of Fame. Rich, he's incredibly talented. We already know what his bust looks like. OK, he does great. Add the long hair to it first overall. I don't know.

I still find it. It's I think Keyshawn is the last receiver that are going to go first overall forevermore. So go down to two. Go down to three. You know, go down and go get them.

What if nobody wants to go up? So he's going to want to go up for Caleb Williams. Drake May announced yesterday he's playing in the NFL next year.

You announced he's announced he's going. Come on, man. You think he'll last to the Cowboys pick? No. Drake May or Marvin Harrison? You got the MVP. What are you talking about?

You're about to pay Dak 55 million a year. Marvin. Oh, I got you. Yeah.

Well, Marvin, what else, Chris? You're three for three now, man. I love it.

Well, you're going to love this one. Oh, my God. You're about to hit for the cycle. Yeah.

All right. Yeah, I'm about to go around the base for the overreaction cycle. Here's here's here's here's the deal. Rich, what am I doing? What am I doing? They're doing tell me to Vito.

How are you doing? Daniel Jones should be out. Tommy to trade Daniel Jones and start DeVito in twenty twenty four. Let's see how he finishes this year. Let's see how he finishes this year.

Jones out of here. Do me this favor and ask me this question on the the first overreaction Monday of twenty twenty four. Do me that. Do me that favor.

Let's put a pin in this one right now. Make it his team. You think Daniel Jones is getting his teammates to rally around him and do whatever he does? He doesn't even have a thing. DeVito's got a thing. He's got a Moxie. Yeah, he's got an agent wearing a cool hat.

Cut cutlets and have that cutlets. It's got tailgates with three hundred people. Daniel Jones sells insurance. Who's who? You want to trade Daniel Jones to the Patriots? No.

OK, so you have to understand, there's got to be a trade partner for this to be real, which again leads me to believe again, fifty five starting quarterbacks. Do me this favor, Chris. Put a pin in it. Maybe the first overreaction Monday once the season's over. Let's see how he finishes up. Yeah, make a note of it.

What else you got? NFC North, but they're getting just one playoff team. You said three like two weeks ago. That's a different time. Now, of course, that's not an overreaction.

That's perfect change. Yeah, man. And I understand there's all the Packers doing. And I understand there's there's there's three of them at six and seven.

One of which is good enough to be a division leader. The Vikings told me Nick Mullins going to the playoffs. No, by the way, Tommy DeVito is going to New Orleans this week. He's going to show him, but he's he's going to show him cutlets over beignets. Canole's over beignets, cutlets over turtle soup, red beans and rice. Oh, anyway, you know what I mean?

I'm mixing it up. I mean, he's going to show it's going to be. It's going to be cannolis over beignets. Oh, boys. Let's over poor boys.

It's going to be. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a what a minestrone over jambalaya. Yeah. Well, I know gumbo's good, though, though.

I know, but I don't know if you'll cut what's over turtle and again, I'm not really a Cajun food guy. What else? I agree that Justin Herbert out for the season. Yes, sir. This guy needs to demand a trade. Herbert needs a change of scenery. Let's get him out of here.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Let's get him somewhere else. Let's just think the bear with the Bears trade fifth overall to the Chargers for Herbert. Now, why would the Chargers trade him?

He's a treasure. It doesn't matter. It's not up to them. And he says, I want out. This team is why would you want out and a cancer? I'm never going to win here now. I'm awesome.

All the nerds think I'm great, but just need somewhere else. He might just need a change of coaching and he might get it very soon. Yeah, he could have. That's an overreaction, too. Hopefully, you just don't ever think you'd want to change the scenery here, Chris. You're too valuable. Thanks, Rich. What else you got that memo? Thank you. Do you want more? Last one. Great.

We talked about Otani and the money we did. And the Dodgers have won a World Series since 1988. Guess what? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They won one a couple in 2020.

No, they didn't. No one thinks that's a real world series. Oh, my God. Get over yourself, Dodger fans. Mike Trout is going to win a World Series before Shohei Otani.

All right, dude. With who? Book it! What is happening to him? Is Mike Trout staying with the Angels?

I don't care. Well, Mike Trout is going to get a ring on his finger before Otani. Is he getting married? That's the way he'll get a ring. He's already married. OK, well, then that's... Come on.

Mike Trout's definitely not finishing his career in Anaheim, so he's going to go somewhere else to win a title before Otani. That's so off the wall that overreaction is, to use that word, is an underreaction to that take. That's on fire.

As a matter of fact, we should remove it because it might burn holes through people's television screens right now. To pay Otani $700 million to go out in the first round? Come on.

Well, not to pay them $2 million. OK, well done, Chris. Very well done. That's why I'm here. Excellent.

All right, we'll take a break. By the way, our Overreaction Monday podcast is available where all podcasts can be acquired. As soon as we are done, Suzy Schuster and Amy Trask will record the latest edition of what the football Dan Patrick will be zooming in. And when we come back, there's apparently a story. Did you hear why Tyreek Hill got back in the game? I did read something on Twitter.

I saw something that his wife had that was involved. Susie will join us to discuss this next. I think this is going to be an excellent use of our final segment in real estate.

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We're repairing neighborhoods, but then we're into nosy neighbors and I built a career off of that. Find out more by searching the Stacking Benjamins podcast wherever you listen. Susie Schuster here getting ready to shoot what the football with Amy Trask, Dan Patrick on the program. So I did not know why Tyreek Hill came back in the game, because when he when he when he turned his ankle last night on that hip drop, it sure looked like he was being pulled from behind as well.

Right. The horse collar. And and and you could see like there was a wrap on his ankle and there was a trainer holding his helmet. Like they wouldn't give him his helmet back. When that happens, I thought he's done for the night. But he came back in in the third quarter, and I was wondering, didn't I even say earlier in the program, I'm like. Maybe Mike McDaniel was trying to hold him back due to a precaution, and he realized that the game was too close to put him back in.

Apparently, his wife was involved in this. This is Tyreek Hill after the game. When it happened, like my first reaction was like, man, my my ankle.

Yeah, my my adrenaline kicked in. I ran off the field and then I sat for a while and got stiff. I was going through a lot of pain.

So then I just made up in my mind. I came in at halftime. I takes my wife out of my throat like it hurt like the ankle massage tonight. She was like, you better get your ass back in the game, dog. So it's made up my mind that it's going to hurt. It's going to suck tomorrow morning to tonight and tomorrow morning. You know, and I just went back in the game on my own.

I didn't buy this and go like, no, it was like this. I got to get out there, you know, and bring some energy and be that sport. So hold on. Hold on.

Yes. Derek, you did not come back into the game on your own. You came back into the game because you are afraid of your wife. And I like that about you. Well, she that's right. You did not come back into the game on your own, Tyrique. You came in because you were scared to show up in your own house if you didn't get back in the game.

And I am here for it and I like it and I endorse it. I got to be honest. She called him a wimp back in the game. That was also my interpretation. Now, it might not be as aggressive as you just stated, but it did seem like what would be more of a pain for him? The throbbing ankle or facing his wife after she told him to go back in the game, and he's like, I just couldn't do it.

Yeah, I'll be back. That's what he said from the baby chair. So that that was my interpretation, too.

What makes me feel good about that is sometimes I feel badly when I'm listening to the show in the car and I call into either you, the show, Brockman, T.J., anybody, because I can't help it. And she felt the same way. She was like, Get off your ass and get back in the game. And he was like, Yes, ma'am, suck it up. And he came up with 50 more yards.

And they immediately caught. I know immediately because, by the way, he was fine because men can be wussies. And so we just have to say, like, I don't really think that I don't know. I don't call me after you have a child and then we'll have a conversation. Get back in the game, dog. I think she called him dog.

Well, she get back in the game, dog. Yeah, that part. Yeah, go.

You have a baby. Yeah. I mean, I passed the kidney stone. It's kind of true that hurt, right? You really just said that to somebody who's been in labor three times. I mean, honestly, it hurt. Yeah, great. Don't try to diminish my pain. So by the way, maybe so. Maybe maybe there needs to be a phone on each sideline of the National Football League where a wife can tell the player so kind of hot nightmare is that we're not everywhere around. Can I tell you something really funny?

And I think if she if she got to him, maybe he'd been back in the second quarter. After Amy and my podcast last week, you know, we always it's on YouTube, obviously. And somebody wrote in the comments, run, Rich, run after you were on.

Yeah, because they think I'm just horrible. But I mean, your introduction, everyone should check it out. You know, again, it's Susie saying, and look who's back here on on what?

The football. It's it's Rich Eisen. Hi. That was your introduction. Hi.

What am I supposed to do? Talk about your accolades? I mean, I don't know. Hey, everybody. He's the multi Emmy nominated show host, Rich Eisen, also known as the guy that leaves his clothes on the floor. Oh, my God. Everybody, welcome, Rich Eisen. Hi. This is the Rich Eisen show.

Yeah, maybe that should be it from wrong drop belly. Where's the one that says it's my show? Damn it. Oh, my gosh.

My point is, anyway, I'm just all here. For Mrs. Hill. Mm hmm. Yeah.

And the bat phone dog. Will you refer to me as dog from now on? What if I request it? Oh, I'm sorry. No, that just feels icky. Take that off on, you know, and text and text only. Oh, my gosh.

But honestly, but but how great is that, though? She was like, get your ass back in the game. May go. He's just looking for some TLC. And she gave him some hard love.

I mean, men are such bad, by the way, ankle massage. Two more catches. Do you know how many fantasy league she probably won with those two catches?

Probably not. Also, she knows that the Dolphins need him to have a multi hundred yard reception day in order to win. That's it.

Yeah, he's the MVP of the league. We watched it last night. Well, let's go check out Susie and Amy Trask with Dan Patrick on what the football. I want to thank my guest, Tony Shalhoub, Tom Verducci and Adam Driver back to wrap up the show in a sec. For the real story behind some of wrestling's biggest moments, it's something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard and Conrad Thompson to 1995 when WCW announces they're going to be live and head to head with Monday Night Raw.

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