REShow: Myles Garrett & Tom Pelissero - Hour 3

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Plus, your phone calls, latest news, and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Our number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. Tom Pelissero making his way to our studio to tell us everything that he normally would tell us on Zoom.

How does that sound? He's going to be here in person here in this hour. Miles Garrett slated to Zoom in any minute.

844-204-RICH is the number to dial. We've just been chit-chattin' all day about the Thursday night football game. Bills and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And what in the world did happen with James Harden when he showed up to try and get on a plane in Milwaukee, which wound up beating the Philadelphia 76ers last night? Damon Lillard with a very nice game in his first contest as a buck. We did what's more likely my top five most intriguing matchups.

The Browns and the Seahawks are on that list for week number eight. Miles Garrett slated to join us in a second. 844-204-RICH, number to dial right here on the program. Let's sneak in a phone call before we get to Miles. Let us go to Rob in Charlotte, North Carolina. What's up, Rob? Hey, Rich. Thanks for taking my call. Thanks for making it. I have listened to you for years on the table for the fumble through the end zone play.

Yes, sir. And on Sunday, you were proven wrong. The defensive player knocked the ball out at the one-inch yard line. Are you saying he shouldn't benefit from that action?

Meaning what? But had he knocked the ball out on the half-yard line, had he knocked the ball out of that half-yard line, Rob, and it had somehow rolled out of bounds in front of the pylon, then the ball would have stayed with Atlanta. Then it would have still been Desmond Ritters. Between the goal lines and outside the goal lines are different. It's the same point that happened at the other end of the field. Is it not going to be a safety now because you fumble through your own end zone?

No, I just think it's too arbitrary to award to a defense that had been giving up all those yards the entire time. But I appreciate the call, Rob, because I've got a defensive player of the year candidate of note, an MVP candidate on the Zoom. I am so happy to have this man on the program. I've enjoyed watching him play this year, to say the least. I've had Cleveland Browns fans. There he is.

The man of the hour, Miles Garrett. How are you, Miles? I'm doing wonderful. How about yourself? I'm doing great. You know how I prepared for this interview, Miles?

How so? I cross over dribbled for the last three minutes just to try and get ready for this thing. You know, I've got that move.

It's a good warm-up, especially when you wrestle. Now, has anybody looked at you on the other side of the line of scrimmage and saying, what are you doing when you're doing that? Have you elicited a response from anybody? No responses yet. I might draw one here this year.

Maybe this next game. So, where did this come from for you? Where did this idea come from for you? Just the hoop and roots. I've always done it in practice and had fun doing it. I just wanted to finally bring that stuff to the real deal, the real field. In the game?

In an actual game? Yeah. Okay.

All right. So, you just thought, I'm going to try it. Does that actually get you in a rhythm? Does it actually work for you, Miles? It does. I feel like it kind of messes their head going into it.

They figure they don't know where the hell I'm going if I'm actually coming. Right. And then I add a jab step to it, or I add multiple, or him and, you know, just going through the guy's chest or just, you know, I know they're worried. I'd imagine.

Well, again, and man, do I have so many questions to ask you. I imagine, was the Tennessee game the first time you had two guys travel with you on the line of scrimmage pre-snap ever in your life, Miles? Yeah. That's the first time. I've had one guy travel with me and then he doubled me with the tackle. I've never had two guys who were designated to follow me where I went. I've never seen that personally or with any other blue.

That is correct. And so, me too. And so, at one point in the game, at what point did you realize two Tennessee Titans were traveling with you whenever you motioned on your side of the line of scrimmage? Well, that play that got kind of circulated, that was a play I kind of realized that I was just moving around. And I think we came out the hut on there like, oh, you're going to end up over there with Z, but kind of delay it.

So, I kind of started on the right side and then, you know, once they had gotten their formation, I started making my way over to Darius' side and saw him follow with me. So, I was like, I think they might be locked in on me. So, I go back and I still got some time, but it's about 15 seconds left. I go back and they start running back over. I was like, oh, we can do this all day because y'all have to get set. So, I started going back and clocks ticking. It gets down to two, one, zero, and they have to call a timeout. So, that's definitely a fun memory knowing that those guys were trying to make sure that they were on me. They didn't even think about, you know, we have to both be set. I know they just got the message from Coach. You're doubling him.

I don't care what happens. Right. Because normally the pre-snap penalty you might elicit is causing a tackle to jump to make sure that they get the jump on you. But this is maybe the first time the pre-snap penalty was a motion penalty that you caused just because you were motioning yourself laterally. I've never seen anything like that in my entire time.

That's a first. We're trying to break new ground, you know. See what we can make do to respect them. Do you feel that you're not respected, Miles?

Definitely feel respected, but should always earn some more and always elicit more fear. And in terms of that, do you feel that your game is better than ever? Do you feel that things have stepped up? You have stepped it up this year that you are on a different level than previous years right now, Miles? I definitely feel at the top of my game that I'm entering and kind of reaching my prime if I'm not in it.

Okay. And I feel like surrounded by like-minded individuals on the defense with coaches and players allow me to flourish and vice versa. So I think it's a combination of both me really hitting my stride and the guys I'm with really being passionate about making each other better. No, I know I might be entering territory that I shouldn't, but why were you smiling and laughing while I was asking that question? What was going through your mind there? What's that? What's that about? I had a teammate behind the camera who was nodding his head. An agreement that you have stepped your game up, is that what you're saying? Yes.

Okay, very good. Okay, so what has Jim Schwartz brought to the equation that may have aided in that process for you, Miles? Just being very cooperative, bringing that swagger, that passion to the game. Someone who's locked in completely knows how to get his guys going and focus on the task at hand. Not being present in that moment and playing for each other, things that he always teaches, just on a personal level with him and I, just knowing that I play for a very instinctual player. I go with how I feel as far as run paths and how to attack those things. I'm definitely going to play throughout the scheme, if I see something and we talked about it, but there's the one look I've seen and I'm going to hit it from here and the card says here and I know that linebacker, he sees me go, he's going to fill. He's like, you take your shot. You come down here, you play 100%.

We'll make you right. Having a coach that's being able to level with me like that and see the guys behind me there to make me right as things go wrong, I can ask for a better situation. It just allows me to fly around at high speeds and then make plays. Have you not had that in previous times?

Not at that level. I didn't have those liberties. I kind of had some in pass at certain times, but not the way it is now where it's like running past. You were able to go make plays and we'll make you right. It's been different this year. Miles Garrett here on the Rich Eisen Show and it looks different.

It feels different. Do you feel as obviously the quarterback situation there with Deshaun being hurt and P.J. Walker obviously doing a terrific job when he's gotten in there that you and your defensive mates feel that it's your job to win the day to make sure whatever happens on offense is good enough, Miles?

Yeah. I mean, whatever they put up, it has to be good enough. I think that's exciting not only for me, but for us as a defense, but for the team on our backs, an opportunity where they might be able to put up 38, 39 last game or we might get 17, 20. Even if we put up 7 or 10, who says the opposing offense has to score? We can get off the guys or we can throw in the ability to lock down a team for 60 minutes.

So that's kind of the thrill of it. How great do we want to be? And in terms of how great do you want to be, who else do you put in your category in the NFL? Who else at your position do you think is in your category, Miles, that you look at in their game?

I'll review this guy. I try to kind of say there's different situations for different people. I think there are a lot of athletic freaks. There are very smart players who make the most out of their situation and some who flourish in where they're at. You see guys who are just absolutely outstanding. You can name more than a few, but you also have guys who kind of don't get the pub and the love that they should. Seattle has one with Mafei. You got Brian Burns who I believe needs more love. You know, Chubb who got paid but doesn't get the respect that he should. You have the common guys, the TJs, the Knicks.

You have the Micahs. But Judon, they'll have a rush. Shaq Barrett will have a rush. Vaughn is still getting healthy.

There's a lot of guys who any given day can give you big numbers across the stat sheet. It's about being put in that position and making the most out of those opportunities. I want to say that I'm the best that I can be, but as far as where I rank myself, I don't think ranking yourself, that puts you in a box.

You want to break free of any molds that anyone puts you in. So what do you say to folks who consider the MVP a quarterback award? What do you say to that, Miles? I think it's a load of crap, and I think the last time someone should have won an MVP would be JJ Watt with the outstanding guy. I think he had in 2012. I think that was easily his award, and we have an offensive play at the year award. So if you want to get the best offensive player at an award, we have that handled. But the best player, the one who's most respected, most feared, and makes the most game-changing play shouldn't just go to a quarterback or a wide receiver. It should go to the guy who's been game planned all week, who has to be respected, who you're avoiding, and when that time comes, he makes that play.

That's positionless. And so as for the quarterback there in Deshaun Watson, the conversation had nationally in many ways is that he and the Browns might have some issues with one another, and he doesn't really want to play, and you've heard that, I'm sure. What do you see from Deshaun on that front about him being out there, Miles?

I've only heard that from a few outside media that I get through, I guess, friends and family, and that's not any kind of vibe that we get from them. That's not the reaction that I have at all from when I'm sitting down and talking to them around the field, the guys are ready to go, and it would be wrong of me to ask him to come back as less than a player that we've known him as, a playmaker on all levels, whether in the pocket, scrambling, throwing off the run, or throwing the deep ball. Another guy can do it all, so to not allow him to be at his best or trying to make him come back sooner than what he needs to recover and help us win, that'd be wrong of us as not only players, but as fans. We have to have some understanding of the situation and know that this guy really wants to win.

That's why he's here. Miles Garrett, a few minutes left with Miles. I just want to hit on you a little bit before I let you go on the day there in Cleveland. So you are a part owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers now, Miles. Did I read that correctly? Yeah? Yes, sir. Minority stakes.

Okay, yeah. So what does Miles Garrett, minority owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers, do? What are you like in management, Miles? What do you got for me on that front?

What do you have for me? My managerial roles would be take a little bit of backseat, support the ambassadorship that I take pride in, being an ambassador not only for football but for basketball and the Cavs, being able to support the Cavs worldwide going to different games or showing up to games and sometimes maybe doing some of the offense they have during the game or controlling the music, debuting some of the jerseys, maybe some different events that I can be a part of to help make the people aware and reach a different platform of people that they wouldn't normally reach. What about going to practice and showing some guys how to body up, anything like that? You want to be part of that, Miles? What do you think?

If they want to bring me in to show them how to box up, rebound, attack the rim, I can do all that. They might just have to wait a little bit. What about a 10-day in March? A 10-day contract, Miles? What about a 10-day? What do you think?

Me and Dan have been talking about this a little bit. That's super necessary. Oh, is that right?

Is that right? We've been talking about this a little bit to see if we can make something work, but I will never stop loving ball. If we can make a push, why not? What about a double-double? You could do a double-double, right? I can get a double-double out of you, Miles, at least.

Ten and ten, you can definitely get a double. I'll attack the board. I'll be there.

Okay, I figured. And then what are your Halloween plans? We saw Vecna from Stranger Things.

We've seen the Grim Reaper. I believe those are your last two Halloween costumes. What do we have on tap for Tuesday, Miles? Oh, man, I don't want to give it away, but I'll give you a little hint. Okay. I think there's 23 technically weeks in the entire NFL season, and the number 23 is very synonymous with the theme of this movie monster. Okay, okay.

Anybody in the Rich Eisen Show studio, can you pick up on that? Because I'm 23 for this monster. That's where you're going. Well, your number's 95, so... All right, but movie, is it... 23, I think of Jordan, obviously. That's the first thing I think of. But no, you're laughing to them.

I'm way off. I'm not even warm. You don't think of Bron? Okay, LeBron. I'm 54, you know what I mean? I think of Jordan.

That's my era. Okay, Miles, interesting. Nice little... And is your front lawn already decked out with the tombstones of quarterbacks that you've sacked? Do we have that already? Is that already out there?

Not tombstones this time, but they're definitely quarterbacks hanging up in my yard. Okay. What do you...

Okay. What do you mean? Just from all different parts from the house? What do we got? From the eaves of your house? What do you got hanging up? What do you mean? From, you know, different... There's some kind of strung up on the walls in my garage.

Like a house of pain, as you were saying, and some kind of strung up like scarecrows. Okay. All right.

Of all quarter... Okay. You're dropping hints, and these are all of quarterbacks that you've sacked, is what you're saying, that you've gotten, you've bagged.

Sacked or going to this season. Ah, I like it. I like it. Well, all right. Put it up anyway, because we got to these two tombstones for you.

It's the Colts offensive lineman you leaped without touching, and then the kicker you blocked this past weekend, Quinton Nelson and Matt Gay. Tombstones for you, Miles. We had that prepared for this conversation. What do you think? Man, I love it. I appreciate it.

Listen. That's sweet. Well, I got to tell you. That's sweet.

I've never seen anything like it in my entire life. So as you pointed out, somebody asked you that question of how are you able to do it and nobody else is, and then your answer was great, Miles. I got to be honest with you. Thank you. It was good.

Well, answer from the heart. You're a one of one. Miles, thank you for the call. Thank you for the Zoom. I really appreciate it. I love watching you ball out. Before I let you go, your message for Browns fans from here on out is what, Miles?

What do you have? Thank you, Tom. Expect a lot and we'll deliver more.

Miles, you take care of yourself. Thanks for the time. Appreciate it. You as well. Thank you. You got it. That's Miles Garrett getting set to go and add Geno Smith to his front yard, I guess, or his garage right here on the Rich Eisen Show.

That is right there a possible most valuable player in the National Football League. That was fun. That went about as well as I had hoped. That was great. Because I just have so many questions for him.

He heard you and was laughing. Oh, is that right? Which is what? Adding Geno Smith to his garage wall. Okay, very good.

It's true. If Geno Smith said, Oh, my God, for Aaron Donald, what's he going to say with Miles Garrett? He's going to evoke the same emotion. Oh, my God. Remember that mic picked up? I'm just disappointed you didn't ask him about the Vibranium because his body's filled with it.

Yeah, maybe he goes. So who could that be? 23? I'm wondering if it's a Monsters Inc. costume. What does 23 have to do with it?

It was a code in the movie that had something to do with interaction with humans. Okay. I looked it up.

Did you Google 23 and Monster? Yeah, I did. Did a picture of Jordan come up? Yeah.

No. All right, let's take a break. Tom Pelissero is here. 844-204 Rich, number to dial. Let's get some information in person next.

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The podcast is available Tuesdays, wherever you listen. Back here on our Roku channel feed, bad form, man. Bad form. Guy sits down and you immediately ask him about your fantasy plays.

That's not true. I waited three minutes before he sat down. How many times has that happened in your life? Where friends of yours, anybody, colleagues of yours. Every day. Like, Hey man, just literally about their fantasy team.

I would say, and listen, I appreciate the passion, right? These are the people who pay our bills. None of your bills. Right. So this is different.

What bills does Chris Brockman pay in the house? When I meet people for the first time, you're at a party and you're just trying to blend into the, to the woodwork. And then immediately it's, Oh, so I got George Pickens this week or Zay Flowers. What do you think? I'm just like, Oh, they ask you for that.

They get into that. And what I always say is I haven't won a fantasy league in 20 years. And it's because I perpetually draft people a year too soon.

Cause there's always that like bit of inside information. I told the story recently when Travis Kelsey was a rookie. I talked to a scout who had watched him in the preseason. It was like, Oh, this Kelsey, like he's the next Gronk in Kansas city. I was like, you know, who?

I don't know who this guy is. So I draft him. Does nothing as rookie year drop them in my dynasty cap keeper league.

And then the next year becomes one of the greatest tight ends of all time. That's the information I have. Not really helpful in fantasy football.

It's different though. He's asking like information on injuries like that. You must get that all the time. I think we actually, Rich, we have training videos to tell us not to talk to people like you about this information.

That's right. You don't want him to get in trouble. I don't want him to get in trouble.

I could have texted him last night, but I waited until he got to literally was right here like 30 seconds ago. And you're like, all right, what do you want? Josh Palmer. The ambush should be more effective. And Kenneth Walker.

I got both. And he's like, it's West Coast. We don't know.

So leave him alone. What does Kenneth Walker do with a calf? What are we doing? Calf, by the way.

Seahawks a lot of times. Sick guys early in the week. So let's see. Let's see what if anything he's able to do today. Calves worry me though. Back on the Rich Eisen show radio network, sitting at the Rich Eisen show desk, furnished by Grange with supplies and solutions for every industry. Granger is the right product for you.

Call click ranger.com or just stop by. And look who's just stopped by to tell Chris Brockman about his fantasy team and whether his star players are injured or not. Well, I got an issue because I sat Gabe Davis last night because I got the stack with Herbert and Josh Palmer. You know what I mean? All right. Tom, you get it. Good to see you, Tom.

In person. Welcome. It's great to be here. It's interesting sitting on the other side of this. I've sat there.

You've been kind enough to have me on that side. Yeah. Over here, I feel like there's somehow more pressure. Have you never sat here? This chair is definitely lower.

It is? You are a solid foot above me. Hey, hey, hey. Everybody back off. Hey, hey, hey. You should go to Pico Boulevard.

Pico? I thought we were down in the gundo. You know what I mean? Not that high. Not that high up, am I? I'm just, I'm looking up. No, I don't know. I'm below the desk line.

That is true. What's the desk line? Sinking, sinking in here. Well, sit up straight, Tom. Sinking down. You know, your posture's not my problem.

All right. Maybe more pilates. What's going on in the trade deadline? Anything crooked? When do you think it's going to heat up? Monday? Because it depends on what happens Sunday? Oh, yeah.

Some of that. I think that one of the interesting things we might have talked about this last week is so many teams that thought they were going to be good had bad records. Then, last weekend, a lot of those teams all won. So, if you're the Patriots, you're the Giants, you're the Vikings, you're the Broncos, you all of a sudden are like, okay, wait.

Like, what sort of spot are we in? And there's teams that are going to be both buyers and sellers at the deadline. Because one of the things you have to take into account is there's teams that don't have a lot of draft capital right now. There might be teams that are right up against the salary cap. That doesn't mean that they can't do anything. It might mean that they have to make multiple moves.

You might have to, almost like NBA style, offload something to bring something in. So, there's going to be a lot of things that are going on in the coming days here. I would tell you, the question you just asked me is the question a lot of GMs have been asking too, which is, is anything actually getting done?

Because there's a ton of calls, there's some interesting names that are available. Are these deals actually going to get done by the start of next week? We'll find out.

But I wouldn't anticipate there's something coming prior to the game. Alright, give me a team who is on that sort of razor's edge. They lose, they become sellers on Sunday.

Well, I think there's still some of those teams. I think Tennessee already is in sell mode to a certain degree. Obviously trading Kevin Byard, he probably wasn't in their plans beyond this season anyway. So, you bring in, you get a couple of picks. Again, they were another team that didn't have a lot of picks. You bring in a player who maybe can help you in Terrell Edmonds.

So, we'll see how that ends up working out. I think that the Broncos are in a spot where they kind of know what they are. They obviously had a lot of picks out the door for both Russell Wilson and Sean Payton. They'd like to get draft capital back. And they're taking on the Chiefs.

So, let's just say that that's a tough hill to climb. But if you beat the Chiefs, are you going and trading somebody? If somehow the Broncos beat the Chiefs, you would feel differently about potentially trading someone away. I would tell you this, as much as there's been a lot of speculation about the Broncos and making a lot of trades and everybody being available, I'll tell you, the prices are still high enough that nothing is imminent at this point.

It doesn't mean that nothing gets done. But this is not a fire sale. And I think fire sale, I think anybody you want for a late round pick swap, this is not that. It's going to take real picks for them to trade away guys who potentially can be part of their core in the future. What about the Giants and Saquon?

That seems to me a stretch. Giants have told Saquon that they're not trading them. I don't think John Mara in any universe wants to trade Saquon Barkley.

He envisions him being a core part of the future. You've got to remember, they were trying to extend him back in last fall. They tried to extend him in March. They tried to extend him again at the deadline. And we really were thinking at the deadline that something might get done based on where the numbers were. The deadline you're referring to, not a trade deadline. The July 17th deadline that something potentially would get done on the contract. So this is a player that they were trying to bring back.

It's not as if this was just a nothing, one year type of thing. Like Josh Jacobs, for instance, was in a different spot where there was really no offer until the day or two before July 17th in that deadline. So realistically, is he part of your future? With Saquon, they very much envisioned him being that. So I think Derrick Henry is an interesting one that I'm sure we'll be monitoring here.

He didn't practice yesterday, which sent off a flurry of text messages of what exactly is going on. Brian Burns is in practicing today in Carolina. Burns, that one would surprise me if the Panthers traded him.

Not impossible. They had a massive offer on the table from the Rams last year. And said no.

They turned down. He also wants to get paid a lot of money. So they're going to have decisions to make, but they view him as a building block piece. And unless it is the type of offer that they had last year from the Rams, which was two first round picks, two future ones and more.

I don't envision him going anywhere. Well, I mean, Derrick Henry as well. I mean, if Kevin Bayard, again, we were with the Titans in London with NFL Network calling that game. And, you know, you got no sense at all that this team thought they were on the brink of maybe packing it in at all. Obviously, they were two and three.

They wound up being two and four with that loss. Bayard was Mr. Tennessee, you know, five time captain. He was talking about because we asked him about his leadership role. And he's the guy that, you know, rookies were going to for, hey, is there a good chef in town? Is there a good body work person in town?

Is there a good anything in town? He was kind of the concierge and leader of that locker room. And for them to trade him away is a significant a significant sign in my mind. Could Henry, but but you and you're like he wasn't part of their plans. Henry is going to be 30 in January and his contract's up. Right.

So what do you think? I mean, is this finally, possibly the moment where they part ways with Henry? And if so, who would who would be the taker? There have been a bunch of teams that have been poking around on running backs throughout the course of recent months here. I mean, I think that it's obvious a team like the Ravens that's lost a bunch of backs would be a logical potential pick. Miami has taken some hits at that position, though I don't think Derrick Henry, his running style necessarily is the exact right fit. I mean, that's the thing you got to remember with a Derrick Henry, who is a he's like a ball dominant NBA player, right? Where if you were going to bring in Derrick Henry, you need to run his style of offense. You need to get him the ball a lot. You're not going to just run, you know, the Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh style of offense with that player. It's got to be downhill power running and you better be prepared to run a certain style. That's that's a hard thing to do midstream.

Having said that, he's a pretty unique player. And positionally, running back is one of the easier positions to plug and play because there's just there's only so many running plays wide receiver. Obviously, quarterback is going to be harder than anything. But wide receivers, one of the hardest ones, too, because the million different routes, there's all kinds of different concepts in the rhythm and timing and tempo with the quarterback running back like, OK, we're going to run zone right zone left inside zone. We're going to run power.

We're going to run gap like there's not that much that you really have to do. So is it possible? Yeah, it's it's possible. And that's one of the names certainly to monitor here. What about D-Hop?

That one, I have not heard as much. Again, certainly possible. Anytime you've got players who are older players, if you're 28, 29, 30 and you're either on a one year contract or you're in a contract, you're in Byard's case, he was essentially in a contract year. He had a big number in 2024, took a pay cut this season, probably wasn't going to be back with the team. Those are the guys who most often profile as the players who get traded this time of year because the price isn't going to be that high. Teams are getting like a one year rental type or a half year rental type situation. You know, you have those outliers, though, which are like the Christian McCaffrey deal, where a very unique opportunity for a guy who's still young, has had some injury issues, but when he's on the field, he's really, really good.

Those ones are harder because of the level of capital that's involved in the trade. Could something along those lines happen? It's certainly possible, but I would not say that people within the league are anticipating that level of blockbuster right now. Let me give you one more wide receiver name here. Tom Pelissero, NFL Network, NFL Media Group here on the Rich Eisen Show and his usual Friday spot.

Kind enough to be here in person this time around. And clearly, if they fall to three and five, that might be a situation to make this more likely or possible. What about Devante Adams with the Raiders? Is that just a non-starter?

What do you think here? I would say this on Devante Adams. He has made abundantly clear publicly his frustration with the offense. There are reasons to be frustrated with the Raiders offense that's averaging 16 points per game when you've got Devante Adams and you have Josh Jacobs in the backfield.

You have Hunter Renfro who's really not playing at all and he's been the subject of trade talks for a while now. You have to ask yourself, if you're the Raiders and you trade Devante Adams, what is your end goal? Because essentially then you're saying, we're finished for 2023.

After you already, in 2022, went 7-10. Coming off a 2021 playoff season, you're a head coach in Josh McDaniels who, I think it's fair to say, there's some level of pressure right now to get this thing turned the right direction. If you trade a Hall of Fame caliber receiver right now, that's going to be a difficult one to explain to your fan base, to your locker room, probably most important, your owner, in terms of what exactly is the plan here. You have to clear it with Mark Davis, don't you think? If you're Mark Davis, you want to trade. Of course you don't want to trade him.

Why would anybody want to trade this guy? The question is though, I'm slated to speak with him later on Zoom for Westwood One's Monday Night Football coverage later on today. Are you asking me if you're going to be able to run that interview? No, no.

That's not what I'm asking about. I'm just mentioning that because I'm excited to talk with him because I think the world of him. I think he is A++. I think he's going to have a jacket, he's going to have a bust, he's going to have a ring, he's going to all that stuff. The question is the championship ring.

That's the question. And why would you want to trade him? You don't want to trade him. But if it's not working out and he's not happy about the way it is working out, then you should do your due diligence and get him to a spot where he's happy, where he can get that championship ring, and somebody would be able to make it worth your while, like a godfather offer.

That is precisely the conundrum. Because the Raiders have gotten calls about Devante Adams, among others. I'd call for him. At this point, they have not been willing to move him, and they've made clear to Devante Adams that they are not going to trade him. We still have four days until the trade deadline. The Raiders are in a really unique spot. Remember, that's the Monday night game. The trade deadline comes about 15 hours after they're going to be walking off the field.

It comes up really fast. So you're talking about instantaneous types of decisions. Obviously, there have been a lot of discussions, like every team has, about what are the different possibilities here. But everybody else plays Sunday.

So then you've at least got the day to make calls and things. It's harder for the Raiders to say, well, this game's going to be our guide, because they're going to wake up the next morning. It's going to be like, we've got to do something now if we're going to do it at all. To this point, they've had no willingness, no interest in trading Devante Adams. Potentially, things evolve in the coming days here.

I don't think you can rule anything out. Tom Pelissera here on the Rich Eisen Show. Let's take a break, and we'll finish up this show with Tom and everything else going on in the NFL with some injuries. Brockman's already scouring the waiver wire of his fantasy league to give names to Tom to ask. And TJ, if you've got Tom's attention, you want to give him some questions about your fantasy team?

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Slower the chair. I think that's working now. You look like a child of Benihana, which, by the way, big I'd love to be. Yeah, Benihana.

Benihana is great. I love it. I might have to go today. Hello. Are you really?

Maybe not. You just put the idea in my head. I get Benihana to go. And I told these guys once you were on vacation to go. Yeah.

Ben Lyons was hosting. And yeah, I'm ready. How to go. What are we doing? Doing. Is he go studio to go?

Yeah. Well, if I go by myself, I just want my food. I want to pump it. So the reason we want to get Benihana to go is if you could get the setup and the chef to come with you, because, you know, the whole business is fine. Put it up in the pocket. I just want to eat lunch.

I don't I don't want to like you're the guy that skips out on going to the Broadway show to buy the soundtrack. There you go. That's not that's not a bad analogy. By the way, back in the day, I never thought what's in that guy's pocket. Like, let me eat something.

I know that. Would you ever eat anything out of anybody's pocket anymore? I mean, you're asking a man who ate a PB and J sandwich with a piece of hat. Well, it's because he had to, you know, he took your team's fault. No, it's your fault to take any cowboy's fault, any bait set by McLovin. It's your fault for taking.

You know that Cowboys blew it. So, yes, Tom, he would eat something out of somebody's pocket. Got it. Honestly, some of the stuff McLovin tweets, even Albert Breer's like, that's too far. Let's be factual. Wow.

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AutoZone. Tom Pelissero is still here, which we love, which we love. All right. So kind of Murray has no injury designation.

And so I feel like this is like a few good men. You know, if Santiago was ordered not to be touched, then he'd be transferred off the base of the movie after my segment with you guys. So if he has no injury designation, we're going to see him Sunday or what? We'll see what they actually list him as. My guess is they list him as questionable. The final injury report will come out today.

Okay. I mean, he's very close is what I've been told. He's very close. They're saying he has no physical restrictions. Jonathan Gannon was talking about how good he's looked in practice. Yeah. The question is just, is he going to be functioning at a high enough level?

It's a lot of rust that you're going out there with. It's a new system. The Ravens are in town. To continue to build more reps, you would also be thinking, too, how are they dividing reps in practice between him and Josh Dobbs? Is he getting the full first team reps he normally would? You would anticipate not, unless they've managed to keep this abundantly quiet. And he's actually starting this week.

So there's a lot of different moving parts. I would say this. There was a sense in the league, going back to the offseason, that we were not going to see Kyler Murray all year. That whether it was year of the Cardinals decision or whether it was Kyler Murray's decision of just, hey, this team sucks.

I don't want to be out there. Yet here we are. It's not in the end of October. And we are on the precipice of seeing Kyler Murray on the field. My understanding is the Cardinals want to get a true evaluation here. It's about Kyler for them. Obviously, it's about Kyler for the rest of the league. One way or another, you're hoping that he plays really well. And either he's your franchise quarterback or you can get something really good in a league where there's not enough quarterbacks.

And you're probably going to have a really high draft pick here. Everything I've heard, for all that's been said about Kyler, and there's plenty of fair criticism of Kyler in terms of questioning just kind of the overall approach and everything. It goes back to when he was at Oklahoma and just his personality and the way that some teams took that in terms of can we see this guy being a franchise quarterback. But everything I have heard from Arizona, going all the way back to the offseason, back to training camp, has been A-plus on Kyler. In terms of even though he knew he wasn't playing, he's in every meeting. He's engaged.

He's learning. So, maybe it's him and Jonathan Gannon. They've got a little bit of, I think, some similarities in their personalities. Maybe that's a combination that's good for Kyler. Let's see.

I'm fascinated to see. Drew Patsy, with a lot of challenges, including the quarterback who got there like a week before the season, has done a pretty good job with that offense. And Gannon, for a team that knows they're overmatched, has done a really good job of getting those guys at least to go out there and play hard every week. Well, listen. If you had told anybody back in late August that the Cardinals would be one and six going into week eight, it would be because Jonathan Gannon is totally lost based on the way the videos came out of Arizona, the way he was talking to Rondell Moore. And then, are you taking the bus?

Are you taking it yourself? You drive? All of that stuff would be just like, what is Jonathan Gannon doing? He's lost. The team doesn't respect him. They're not picking up what he's selling.

And they are one and six, but it's the exact opposite. They've been in every game. They've been dynamic. Josh Dobbs being brought in. That's a clear sign that they're tanking.

Now they're one and six. They're bringing Buddha Baker and Kyler Murray back. I couldn't have been more wrong about the Arizona Cardinals, with the exception of their record, which is what I assumed they would be, based on everything else that they've put out there between, you know, February and August. You can see, like, go back to, you know, let's say the Urban Meyer year in Jacksonville. There was a lot of other things going on there, obviously, but you would watch their games and you would go, oh my God, this is awful.

Like, this is unwatchable. They were horrible on offense. You know, it didn't look like guys always were playing hard. You watch the Cardinals, even though they're one and six, every game you're like, they're in this.

They've got a shot here. Dobbs has been fun to watch. He's good. He's good. Him and Patsy were together in Cleveland.

They had a really good relationship. That's part of why they made the trade. They just, you know, Colt McCoy didn't have a very good camp. Clayton Toon, maybe he's a guy down the line. He's just not ready at this point. So it was, OK, let's go out and get a guy who at least knows the system, can plug and play quickly. Dobbs is like one of the best dudes in the NFL, too.

So everybody immediately kind of rallies around him. I mean, they got a few veterans on that team. They got their challenges. Zach Ertsch just went on IR. James Conners on IR.

But week in, week out, you watch them and you don't know the names on the back of the jerseys, but you watch the team and you go, like, these guys are at least giving it their all here. And so Brock Purdy gets concussed at the end of the Monday night game. It looks like it's going to be Sam Darnold. Is there some unwritten change, unannounced change as to the way the NFL is handling concussions where you get concussed in one week, you are out for the next week? There's still a protocol to go through, but there does appear to be no chance of any player coming back the very next week after they've been put into the concussion protocol. There have been a few this year of guys who have been in the protocol and come back and played the following week.

It's definitely a lower percentage than we've probably seen in years past. Brock Purdy was limited yesterday, which means he's already, I believe, at the fourth step in the concussion protocol. So there's a chance. We'll see what he does today. You need to get him to full participation, then get him out there. I think that more than anything, we sit back and look at this and a lot of teams sit back and look at this and say, is it worth it?

Is it worth it to put the guy out the week after because of Tua last year, even though obviously the Dolphins, there was an investigation and it was a back injury and all those things. But we on the outside look at it and just say it put him, you know, he ended up in a difficult position. Yeah, say the least. You have other situations.

Kenny Pickett last year had two concussions in a very short period of time. I think that more than anything, it's there is a protocol. Everything has to go. An independent neurologist has to clear you. This is not team doctors willy-nilly making competitive decisions. But at some point, it's OK. Yeah, you're cleared.

But do we really want to do it? Because if you get two concussions in a very short period of time, six, seven days apart, we know you're missing a month. At that point now, you are missing a long period of time and it can be dangerous for you. Again, I would fully anticipate Brock Purdy is going to push to do everything that he can. The doctors are going to do the right thing and the 49ers are going to have to make decisions. And if Brock Purdy ends up out there on Sunday against the Bengals, which as you mentioned would be a relatively rare occurrence here, it's because every single box got checked.

With Purdy, too, it's a shorter week because it happened on Monday Night Football. You go back and you watch the play where, my understanding is, it was believed to happen on the first of the two consecutive sneaks. Right. You had the overhead angle. Jordan Hicks comes in.

Oh my goodness. I don't think it's a dirty play. It's just the reality of we talk about the tush, push, brotherly shove, whatever. It's like, well, there's times, though, where that can be a dangerous play and he gets torpedoed in the head. There was two interceptions after that, uncharacteristic mistakes, doesn't feel well after the game, and ends up in the concussion protocol.

You look at those types of situations and I think that they're being evaluated as thoroughly as they ever have. And you just want to make sure you're not putting somebody in a position where, you know, forget about the competitive stuff because you are losing the guy. If the guy has two concussions back to back, that's a month.

Generally speaking, that's an IR type situation. But it's also long-term health at Brock Purdy, long-term stability at the quarterback position. Is it the right thing for us to put him out there? Those will all be conversations they have this week and the conversations don't even have a chance to take place if the independent doctor doesn't clear them. Right, and this is why you traded Trey Lance away, because you believe Darnold is the man of the moment in these types of situations. You beat him out. And I fully expect to see Darnold out there and I expect him to perform well. That's what my expectation level is because that's just the way, you know, I think things work there in San Francisco.

Well, and if Sam Darnold comes out and they beat the Bengals with him at quarterback, He's going there, Chris. You're going to have your overreaction segment on Monday. I watched the show. You're going to have a lot of fun with that. I already have it typed out.

It's already in my document. Brock Purdy's played an off-the-charts level. Forgot to be in the Mr. Irrelevant last pick in the draft. Just as a quarterback, he's played unbelievably. So, it's not fair to him to say you miss a game and now we should be talking about someone else.

But don't think that somewhere in the back of his head, there's not a, hey, I got to do everything to be out there. Because it's just like, you know, for years with Brett Favre in Green Bay. He got the job because Don Michalski got knocked out of a game in 1992. And Favre would have been at the Falcons in 91. He goes to Green Bay. It's week four, I think. And nobody's thinking about him, even though they gave up a first-round pick to get him.

And Michalski gets knocked out. Favre goes in. Everybody talked about Favre played, what, 270 consecutive games, whatever it was. One of the driving forces through his entire career was, if I miss this game, somebody might do the same thing to me.

If I miss a snap, somebody else is coming in. And that's where he played with a broken thumb and he played through all kinds of different ailments. What happens in 2007, they're in the midst of a run to the NFC Championship game. He gets knocked out of a game in Dallas.

Aaron Rodgers comes in, looks pretty good for two and a half quarters. And they moved on from him after the season. There is something to it. This isn't an ankle.

This isn't an ACL. Brock Purdy can't push through this. But the psychology of these guys, especially the ones who didn't have an opportunity, and they got it for a reason. In Brock Purdy's case, because multiple quarterbacks got hurt, you know those guys want to find a way to be on the field.

It's just the reality of how the NFL works. And Burrow is 100% in the 90 seconds we have left. He says he's 100%.

It certainly seems like it. I mean, he looked, it was the best he had looked and the best he said he's felt going into the bye. A calf's not going to heal with one week off.

You really need a month. But he tried it for a month in camp and then did it again. So it's going to be a thing that he's going to be going through the rest of the season.

But he is in better shape than he's been throughout this entire time. Fantastic. Alright, so are you in studio on Sunday too? I'll be with you. Alright.

Just saw Andy Gregg. Sounds like he's got some fun stuff planned. Okay. We've got some ideas. Yeah, apparently it's like a 20th anniversary celebration. Because we're not on the air the actual 20th anniversary celebration weekend.

It's the Dolphins and Chiefs. And somehow I'm here. I've been here for what, seven of them? So I'm excited. Fantastic. Alright, anything else? We've got about 90-50 seconds to go. Anybody else? Bench all of them Brockman Quest.

What's your role on your team? You know? If you're going to take the wind out of my sails. Don't blame me.

What do you got? Oh, last thing too, I guess. We were saying would there ever be a penalty on a hail mare? Ever. I mean, you saw the two guys who were wrapping up the receiver last night, right? Everyone's like, how'd the ball hit the ground? Because two guys are pulling down one.

If Godwin turns around, the Bucks are winning that game. Dude, and we're having a totally different conversation today. Right.

Totally different. Oh, I guess, shoot. We've got 20 seconds. Are you concerned about Josh Allen's shoulder? He's been dealing with it for a couple of weeks. You know, he banged it up, but he's taken most of the reps. I mean, yeah, it's the quarterback's throwing shoulder.

And it's a guy who likes to run, so it's something we'll be monitoring for sure. All right, Tom Pelissaro here. Miles Garrett, thank him.

Tom's sticking around after class for one more Roku segment. Have a great weekend, everybody. Ravens. Ravens. Final four. Over Reaction Monday. The podcast. Wherever you listen.