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October 19, 2023 3:46 pm

The MMQB’s Albert Breer and Rich discuss the Patriots’ succession plan for replacing Bill Belichick, which players could be on the move at the NFL’s Trade Deadline, what’s led to All-Pro WR Davante Adams’ frustration with the Raiders, the 49ers’ rash of injuries and if the NFL would ever mandate natural grass fields for every stadium in the league.

Rich explains why doubters of the 5-1 Detroit Lions are so very, very wrong, and weighs in on the “is Tua Tagovailoa a system quarterback?” debate.

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Keep the faith, enjoy the ride. The Rich Eisen Show. Earlier on the show, Senior Writer for Sports Illustrated, Chris Mannix. Coming up, Senior Writer for the MMQB, Albert Breer.

49ers quarterback, Brock Purdy. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Boy, was that a fun first hour with Chris Mannix in back-to-back segments to wrap up our show first hour. That was awesome. If you missed it, we re-air on the Roku channel two hours from now. And then, of course, there's our podcast version of the show all three hours every single day through the Cumulus Podcast Network.

That was just dynamite stuff with Mannix. And for those who listen to the show, either on Sirius XM, Odyssey, or this Rich Eisen Show terrestrial radio affiliate, as soon as we went off the air, I asked him an NBA Finals prediction. And he said, nuggets over the Bucs. And he reserves the right to switch nuggets over Bucs once he sees Chris Middleton play. Because he hasn't played yet with Giannis and Damian Lillard. Now, that would be something if the Bucs go ahead in Lillard's first year and give Lillard the ring that he's been looking for and Giannis the ring that he said he wanted to win again.

And you better make some moves, otherwise I'm out. And that would be something else if that happens. And of course, if the Nuggets go back-to-back, I asked him if the Nuggets go back-to-back or at least make the Finals. That means Jokic is the MVP. Did you take issue with him saying that Jokic is going to be the MVP because he's going to get more votes from people who feel foolish about voting for someone else last year?

And is someone else being your guy Joel Embiid? Do you feel that you take issue with that? When you host the championship at the end of the year, you know, those are the type of things that happen.

People start to rethink, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, no, that was a lot of fun with Maddox. But Joel will do it again this year and this year he might actually take home the Larry O.B. and then I will be right with the world. Or halfway through the season he might say, get me to Miami. Come on, guy. That Heat team is just, it's fascinating to me that, you know, because it's Josh Gad, our friend, from Gutenberg the musical.

Gutenberg. Did I say that right? Oh yeah, I think so. He came on the old Zoom on Tuesday show and he was, he's concerned about the Heat losing out on Lillard because when you, you know, if you will lift your kimono and don't get the guy you're looking to trade and trade away the guy that is obvious that is going to be there to trade away. And it's obvious to that guy, like Tyler Herro knows, that's the guy they were dangling out there.

How does that work? And he said that, fascinating that the Heat are just sitting back and seeing what happens with Harden. Maybe they say, we'll take him.

Or did they go full package and take Embiid and Harden? Stop it. What's wrong with you?

Don't listen to your boy over there. It's kind of silly. But Albert Breer is checking in from Sports Illustrated in a matter of moments. Moments ago Doug Peterson said that he thinks Trevor Lawrence is going to go tonight pending a pre-game workout. Told Ed Werder, or as I think DP referred to him for many, many years, Edward Dare of ESPN.

That's how it would be called. Edward Dare. Edward Dare. That Trevor Lawrence is going to go tonight. Nice. Okay. Reported improvement from his mild left knee spring. Great.

More firepower. So what does that mean for the poor kid from the CFL who they signed to the practice squad in Elevator? Gets a check. Who's that fella again? What's his name again? Oh, the guy from the show yesterday. And then Mike Hoskins, our dynamite coordinating producer, pulled up the photograph of him.

The AI composite? Yeah. Nathan Roark.

Nathan Roark. It was just basically the photograph. I feel bad doing this again. It was like chat GPT. Make me a generic Jaguars backup quarterback.

Make me a backup quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars. And it was absolutely looked like exactly what you would suggest. There he is. Doesn't that look? Just like. Is that real?

Is that real? By the way, a Canadian. Make me a Canadian. Backup quarterback. Backup quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Freshly called up from the practice squad just in case Trevor Lawrence can't go. And boom. Go.

This is messed up. Canadian. He's probably the nicest guy. Canadian. You know that.

So nice. You know, we're just Stacey Dales when I see her in Frankfurt ago. I saw what you said about Canadians. Don't mess with her. She's the nicest.

She is one of the nicest Canadians unless you say something that she disagrees with. It's a problem. All right. From Sports Illustrated, our friend back here on the Rich Eisen Show, Albert Breer. Kind enough to zoom in here to kick off our second hour. How are you, Albert?

Good to see you. Oh, I don't hear him. Oh, no. We don't hear him. I don't know. We just checked him in. All right.

There's no audio coming from him. All right. Very good. Let's put him back on the old hold there. Unmute. Unmute.

There's a scrambling of jets going on right now. There he is. We got him now.

Now we got him. You there, Albert? I unmuted. Sorry about that. It's been three years. It's been three years since we all started doing this, and I still don't know how to unmute. So here we go.

Speaking of three years, three years ago is the last time I muted you in November. So I guess we're off. Oh, do we have a – I mean, we don't want to go down that road today, do we? Oh, sure do.

I heard we might have a sequel to Spygate here. What do you mean? What's happening?

Seriously? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I don't know.

You can look on the Internet. There might be a sequel to Spygate unfolding on the Internet now. Is that right? I didn't know that. I had no idea. Are you serious? You didn't use his? I swear to you on my children's hair.

You could go for it. There's some allegations of – Well, unless this is not factual and you are not ready as a reporter who's all about facts and reporting facts. I'm not reporting it. I'm citing somebody else's reporting. Dan Wessel and Ross Dellinger.

Those are legit people? All right, guys. Hold on. The University of Michigan is under investigation from the NCAA for in-person scouting violations per Ross Dellinger.

Michigan is being alleged to send unnamed individuals to attend opponents' games and gather information on the signs they use for play calls. Okay. So what's wrong with that? What's wrong with that?

Well, it's no hamburger. Honestly, what's wrong with sending somebody to – so they're recording other teams' signs or whatever? I mean, come on, man, sign stealing or whatever. Get out of here. I don't know. I'm just kind of telling you what I heard.

I don't know. So wait a minute. Let's take that photograph of Scott Van Pelt that's being held up and match it to the play, you know? Halle Berry. You know what I mean?

That Paul Finebaum photograph is associated with this play. All right. Okay, Albert. How you doing, man? Good to chat with you. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. How is England? Oh, dude. It's great.

I don't know. Have you been to any of those international games? I have. Yeah, I've been to three or four. They're unbelievable. It's great to go over to London in the fall and it's – yeah, the atmosphere is actually – I don't know if it's still this way, but the ones that I've been to, it's a super different – like it just feels different in the stadium, you know what I mean? It's just like the noise is almost – the noise being in a stadium versus like a stadium in the States is so different, you know? It feels completely unique to where you're at, you know? Not the same as an American game at all. It could be the alcohol percentage as well.

I don't know. It could be. But it is also – the fans are totally into it and they are so knowledgeable and it is great. It does have like a Super Bowl feel to it. I know the Munich game, Brady and Pete Carroll said afterwards it felt like a Super Bowl for them. You know? It really is great.

That game was terrific. So let's just jump into the trade deadline. We would be two weeks removed from the dust settling. What do you expect for the trade deadline right now?

Yeah. I think we've talked about this first, but I think one of the things that's really interesting about this year's trade deadline is how next year's quarterback class could play into it. And you know, because it's seen as a strong and deep class, like with – I mean, not only the two guys that we've been talking about forever and Caleb Williams and Drake May, but some of the guys that I think intrigue teams now and they're starting to dig into like your Michael Penix Jr., your Bo Nix, your J.J. McCarthy, your Quinn Ewers, you know, like there's just I think a feeling that this is going to be a good year to need a quarterback in the draft.

And I think for some owners, like where they're increasingly listening to their analytics people, the analytics people are telling them this is where the value of a franchise quarterback is. And if we can get one, we should get one. So are there a few teams that are going to look at the landscape here and say it's time to tear down and we're not going to tank, but it's time to manage our roster creatively, move some pieces off the roster. And if we're playing for 2024, let's do that.

I think that there are – at the very least, I think that idea is being entertained in some places. And I think there are teams on the other side of it, your contenders, your buyers that are ready for that. And I think it's going to make for an interesting couple of weeks. It doesn't mean there's going to be a wild amount of activity, but I do think it's like a factor that's going to play into the way the next couple of weeks could play out.

I was just, you know, the total speculation, but obviously this was happening during the summer as well. You know, Derrick Henry, 29 years of age, he makes a lot of money. I didn't get a single whiff of a hint or anything of that nature when I was around the Tennessee Titans in London. He looked happy. Everyone loves him. He was having a good time. I mean, I asked tons of the Titans players and also Vrabel, you know, give me a good Derrick Henry story. And they were all talking about how he was walking around pranking everybody with a feather tickling them behind their ears or behind their neck just the previous day.

So like, he's not in any way, shape or form, you know, angry, upset, disgruntled. I didn't get a sense of that, but I mean, there are two and four team. They had Malik Willis out there.

I don't know when Hannehill's coming back and maybe, you know, they are on a buy this week and maybe the result just before the trade deadline does spur them into action. Is there a name like Derrick Henry or is he a name that is out there that might actually go on on Halloween? You think?

Yeah. I mean, Tennessee's one like that. I think you would look at and say they'll at least get phone calls and they've got some older players on the roster. Derrick Henry's one. You know, Kevin Bayard, the great safety who just restructured this year, he'd be another one where like they would at least have to listen because they are going through a reset year. And it does look like with their quarterback now hurt, it's going to be difficult for them to contend. So if there's a year to build up some draft capital and and get yourself ready for April, this would be the year. There are three other teams I would keep an eye on.

One is Carolina and, you know, Jeremy Chin, their safety got hurt. He would have been one of the names I would have given you. Now that he's going to be out for a while, maybe not so much. But Brian Burns is certainly going to elicit phone calls. The Rams offered two ones and a three for him last year.

You know, does somebody come back on Brian Burns? And there are other players in that roster, too, that might make it might make sense. Like your Terrace Marshall, the receiver out of LSU is the second round pick a couple of years ago. You know, Dante Jackson, you know, a corner who has a lot of good experience in the league in a position.

He's deep at that you're going to you know, I think that there will elicit some interest. Denver would be another team. And I don't think they're going to tear the whole thing down. But if somebody offers a one for Jerry Judy or two for Courtland Sutton or somebody needs an offensive lineman, do they call on Garrett Bowles? I think they'll get calls on Pat Sertan. I don't think they'll move Pat Sertan. But I wish I would be surprised if somebody didn't make a big offer for him.

So Denver would be another one. And then the third to me is Minnesota and the Neil Hunter is pretty available right now. And he's up after this year. But the idea that you get a high end pass rusher at this point is something to look at. You know, KJ Osborne, he is a really productive slot receiver in a contract year. They're going to be able to resign him, seeing as though they have to pay Justin Jefferson and they have a first round pick opposite Jefferson and Jordan Addison.

These are the sorts of questions that you have to ask now. So I do think there are a number of teams that have attractive pieces that look like that. They maybe aren't going anywhere this year that are going to have their phones ringing over the next couple of weeks. And again, you know, the names that you mentioned are of interest, but they're not Blockbuster. And I'm just wondering why there isn't more of a Blockbuster type name out there when clearly the Niners acquisition of Christian McCaffrey gives you the blueprint of what a team that's already supremely talented having an opportunity to win right now.

A.J. Brown wasn't a deadline deal, but it was a draft day deal. You just see, you know, if somebody wants to be aggressive to do that sort of thing and why wouldn't somebody attempt it is basically the open ended question I throw. Well, there's a there's a key factor in the Christian McCaffrey thing, too, like that. I don't think you mentioned, which is the coach had already been fired at that point, you know?

So it was a lot easier for the team organizationally to say, we're going to do this because they could look at it and say, we're going and getting a new coach after the year anyway. So it's a and we're in a transitional situation. Is that what you're saying? It's a fig leaf situation for the team that's coughing up the big name player. I mean, that's that. Yeah, that's the problem is like it's like I think for one thing, like it's it's still at a point in the year where the owner is going to be concerned somewhat of, you know, like, hey, what does this look like to my fan base?

And he's got half the year left, right? Like the coach, it's like what sort of signal is this going to send to my locker room? Does it look like we're sending the white flag up the pole? So I think that that's part of it. It's also football.

It's harder to assimilate guys in. I mean, that's what it is, you know, like in football, it's it's harder than it is in basketball or baseball to take a blockbuster guy and say, OK, like this guy is going to make an enormous impact over two or three months. You know, without having any sort of off season or anything else to get himself ready to go. And that's why, like a Brian Burns, like was so interesting last year because there was a year, a year and a half left on his contract.

You have plenty of time to extend them. And you know, he would have been a value to the Panthers, too, that obviously was a value to the Panthers to keep to, you know, Jalen Ramsey a few years before that. That's why, like with a blockbuster name here, Rich and I again, I do not think he's going to get moved, but would be pats or tan. Right. Like in the Broncos really need picks like again, I don't think the Broncos are going to conduct a fire sale, but they do need picks and they're going to pursue picks.

What if somebody offers like two ones and two twos or something crazy for pats or tan? Like that's how it would have to happen, I think. I'll be here on the Rich Eisen show. What's up with Davante Adams? I mean, there seems to be smoke and and the question is, is what's the fire? I'm not saying that he's going to be traded. That would be kind of nutty unless he wants out. I mean, so that's the question, like what what is happening with Davante Adams in well, he's very honest. He's like, and if you've been around him, you know that like he's he's pretty forthright.

He's pretty honest as NFL players go. The other thing is like he just comes from a winning program and guys who come from places like that who haven't experienced losing, then go to a place like this and it gets them a little bit more than it would to other players. So I think like this is sort of a signal from Davante Adams, like, all right, I signed here. I wanted to play here.

It was my choice to come here. I bought into Josh McDaniel's program. Now you've got to show me, you know, and I know there was some frustration on the part of McDaniel's and his staff last year. I mean, part of the reason they were out on Derek Carr is because Derek Carr didn't take enough chances and give Davante Adams enough chances. And you know, I think that that's a part of it is like the quarterback position to some degree has undermined Davante Adams, you know, and and that, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo is banged up again. And now is it going to be Brian Hoyer is going to be Aidan O'Connell, you know, when does Jimmy get back in the lineup? Like it's just it's like a it's a combination of different things that have conspired here to create a frustrating, frustrating situation for everybody on there. And especially guys, you know, like Josh, like Davante, who are used to being around winning programs. And you know, again, like I think Davante is sort of in this show me place where if it doesn't get better over the course of the year and I don't think it gets traded before the deadline, but if it doesn't get better over the rest of this year, then I think all bets are off. And, you know, he is probably considering his options. Robert Breyer here on the Rich Eisen Show. You got aggregated, sir, about what you said about Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft in New England. Aggregation, aggregation. I'm sure it's I'm sure it's about 30 percent of 30 percent accurate of what I said.

So put it out there. Are there conversations about Belichick's future in New England? Yeah, I would say what I what I say what I'd say, Rich, is like that, you know, Robert Kraft has for a long time been very forward thinking with his franchise. Like, in fact, like if you want to go all the way back to the start, like the reason he got rid of Bill Parcells is because he didn't think Bill Parcells was forward thinking enough. You know, when it came to, OK, where is this going to put us in five years?

Where is this going to put us in 10 years? And so he's always thinking that way. And they, I mean, more or less have positioned Gerard Mayo to be the successor to Bill Belichick in certain ways. Now, I'm not saying there's anything in the contract or anything like that, but they did get him to turn down a head coach interview in in Carolina last year. And that was an interview that would have put Gerard Mayo in front of, you know, one of the an owner who's got growing influence around the NFL.

So why would you do that? Well, you would do that because you've had some discussions about your own future in New England if you're Gerard Mayo. And so like the point I was trying to make is, you know, and I was asked, like, have they had discussions about the future and the post Belichick future? The answer is yes. You know, Robert Kraft has had those discussions like in, you know, it's something that involved Gerard Mayo last year.

And do I think those discussions intensify as you start losing? Yes, I do. And do I think Robert Kraft is cognizant of the way that his organization is perceived both nationally and locally?

I do. I do think he is very cognizant of all of that. So, you know, the discussions on the future of the franchise are always ongoing.

And I think they were in January and February with, you know, Gerard Mayo being involved in that and knowing that like this guy could be the next guy here. And you know, I think where maybe, you know, maybe a month ago I would have told you and I think I said it on your show, like I would have told you, I think the likelihood is maybe he hires a GM and like says, OK, Bill, like the GM is not going to report to you, but he's not going to report or GM is not going to report. You're not going to report to the GM, but he's not going to report to you either. Like we're going to have both of you guys reporting to me and we're going to change the structure here. Now it's almost like, can you go forward with Bill at all based on where the roster is, based on what we're seeing on the field on a week to week basis?

So yeah, I mean, I think Robert Kraft and, you know, and obviously you and I both know, you know, Jonathan is positioned to be the successor when it comes to the primary owner of the team. Those guys have had those conversations, certainly. And, you know, I think the Gerard Mayo situation in January and February, you know, made those conversations a little bit more serious. And I would think that they only intensify over the last few weeks as they've as they've suffered some embarrassing losses.

And now now they're sitting there at one and five. Yeah, I know with Bill, with the the Bills and the Dolphins before, I mean, it's one and seven potentially against the commanders before I see them in Germany against the Colts. And so what what does it what is the what are the conversations look like, like sitting him down, like literally RKK and B squared in a room having these conversations? No, no, no, no, no, I think I but I do think like Robert, you know, Robert's smart. Like I think he's, I think he's discussed the, you know, like the future of the organization, you know, so he has those discussions with with different people. I don't think that now I don't know one way or the other whether or not he and Bill have sat down face to face and said, Well, you know, what are we going to do in two and a half months? But, you know, there's no question that, you know, people in that organization beneath Bill, you know, are aware that the future is unstable there right now. Like I, I don't know, like I, like I, I said to somebody there, you know, over the last couple of weeks, like, like, I don't think he outright fires bill. And, you know, the response I got was like, who knows, you know, and you never would have thought that even a year ago, right, like that, that like, they would outright fire bill, but somebody wouldn't be sure that that isn't going to happen who works there. It's like, it's, it's as unstable as they've been in a while. And I think like the the biggest problem for Robert isn't so much where they are right now from record standpoint, the trajectory of the franchise, I don't think they have a position on offense, there's not going to be a need for them in the in the off season.

That's wild. And I don't think you can look at that roster and find more than a player to that you could say definitively. Yeah, like, like, yeah, that guy's gonna be there two or three years from now, like Christian Gonzalez, and that's probably it. So it's about as unstable a place as they've been in a long time, Albert Breer, a couple minutes left with you, sir. What about the 49ers injuries? They came out bruised and bad from, from the loss to the Browns, they got a Monday night game.

Obviously, this is a fantasy importance for a bunch of people as well. But yeah, you know, the NFC is up up in the air with the Lions playing as well as they're playing and you got the Eagles coming off their first loss with the Dolphins coming in on Sunday night. And now the 49ers going on the road licking their wounds, they got Brock Purdy in hour three. So I throw that all to you about their health going into this. Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, you're right. I think you're right for the Lions and that group because I don't know, like, I think people have a tendency to still talk about them like they're a Cinderella story when they actually look like a legitimate powerhouse.

You know what I mean, this Cinderella with a samurai sword, man. Yeah. Yeah, they are, you know, so, um, so I would, um, you know, I I'd say with the Niners and I hate to sound like a coach here, but I do like, you know, my feeling on it is like the Deebo and Christian McCaffrey injuries are week to week. I think this week brings up an interesting situation. There is now the Niners playing natural grass. No team has players that have been more militant about the surfaces they play on the Niners led by Nick Bosa, who, if you remember, was hurt on the MetLife turf, um, a few years ago, um, that, and there was that, that, that afternoon was a massacre with injuries. And um, and so there is that type of turf slip film, which the league and the players association have both agreed, this is a less safe surface. They agreed that last year, there were six stadiums that had it last year, three of those stadiums switched out the turf, New Orleans, Detroit, and MetLife all switched out the turf.

That means there are three left that have that surface. Minnesota is one of those three. So I just wonder if a team that's got the capability to take a long-term view here, right? Cause we know they're going to be in the playoffs that yeah, they're worried about seeding, but the health of the players is a little bit more important. That has a locker room full of guys that are militant about these sorts of things. Cause they tap the brakes on some of their guys who are hurt here, knowing what that surface is. And so again, it's one of three surfaces left in the NFL. It's Indianapolis, Minneapolis, and, and uh, and Cincinnati, they still have, what's called the slip film turf.

And um, I'll be really interested to see how the Niners handle that, uh, going into going into Minnesota on Monday night, especially when you know, on the other end of it too, you got a short week. And, and again, I guess then let's finish up with this, why, why won't the league again, it's not, you know, my money, but you're, you know, it's probably a few tens of millions league wide to do what they, you know, they, and, and plus this is an international sport now, as we know traveling, everybody sees the, the premier league, what they do with a natural grass and, you know, uh, in a way, uh, tearing it underneath underground and you could remove it and put, put the, the, the artificial turf out for Taylor Swift or for whatever else that these multipurpose stadiums, I mean, you can do it, you see what the technology, why won't the league do it? Why won't the NFL just go ahead and do it?

Same reason for everything else. I know it, but I mean, you know, I mean, it does, it does feel like to me, like that would be the right investment and look like I, you know, Lambeau is the perfect example. Cause Lambeau, they spend so much, I mean, when was the last time you heard somebody complain about like the surface at Green Bay?

It's been a while, right? And that's in Northern Wisconsin, like that's arguably the worst climate in the league. Buffalo, they're building their stadium, they're putting grass down now for these reasons. And so, you know, I, I think it's, it's a matter of the price of the teams going up. It's a matter of the price of the stadium is going up that the owners feel like they've got to put every event under the sun in stadiums. And the only way to do it without spending tens of millions of dollars to maintain the grass is to lay down artificial turf. And I like the smoking guns to me or Tennessee and Carolina, and I know Tennessee's grass surface wasn't great the last couple of years, which is why they do this. Why ain't you just try to get a better grass surface?

Why don't you try to solve that a different way? Because it's easier because it's cheaper to lay down the turf and Nashville is obviously a city that has a lot of concerts that is attractive for a lot of events. And so you know, I just think it's a, it's a conversation that the players have to keep pushing on and it's going to be expensive if they want to make a commitment to putting grass in as many places as they possibly can. You know, you got to ask yourself the question, if you're an owner, if you're the league is the health of our players paramount, because if it is, you'll do that.

And maybe even like, look like I, this part of it, like is an interesting way to look at it. Maybe you go to the union and say, you know, will you give us like a kickback, like an exemption, like from, you know, what goes into the salary cap if we do this, right? Like say, say 5 million a team into a surfaces fund, right? Like so 5 million comes off the cap every year, which is whatever, like, you know, divide that by 53, you know, however many per player, like, we will, if we, if we create a fund for surfaces, will you contribute to that fund? It would be an interesting way to look at it if you were the league and you wanted the players to chip into it too, because it would be an investment for the players into themselves.

So I think there are ways to solve this. I just, you know, and, and like, again, it's not just the injuries either, Rich, it's how players feel when they come off of that. Like, I know that's, that's, that's a fact Albert, and it's also, again, just to, you know, be fair, the injuries happen on natural grass too. I mean, Alonja Veritaka of the Jets hurt his triceps, and I know that's not normally associated with a, with artificial turf, but you know, bodies move in certain ways and then blew out his Achilles on the same natural grass surface in Denver. Well, you know, here's the smoking gun.

Here's the real smoking gun. How many teams voluntarily practice outside on artificial turf? Even ones that have it in their stadium? Zero? Zero. Right.

Why do they all practice on grass? I got it. I hear you.

And again, that's, that's, you know, why I bring it all up and it's a fascinating point about Monday Night Football, you know, and what, what the Niners might do with their injured stars on a surface that they're, they're not psyched about playing on. Albert, appreciate the time. I'm setting around 1.15 Eastern for your first complaining text to me about play calling or something going on in the horseshoe. Well, I'm just, I wanted, before I go, I did want to wish you luck in getting this little misunderstanding cleared up.

Sir, it's just like the cheeseburger. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. All right, Albert.

Little push, little shove. You take care, brother. There you go.

I'm going to see if DePata says graduate of The Ohio State University at the bottom of the screen. That's great. Okay. Let's take a break.

If you will. 844-204-RICH. Number to dial. Phone calls. Brock Purdy. Hour three.

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There's not. You put the Tang in Pootie Tang. I did. I bet. I did.

Just like the astronauts. Hey, what's going on? JB.

JB Smoove. I'm back there. No, I'm back there. He was trash talking to me. I wasn't trash talking to you.

Up to you, man. I was talking you up. No, I looked up to you. I'm looking down at you.

Anyone who looks up to me is a person I admire. Do you have any good from the set stories of Pootie Tang? No, we were never on the set together. Yeah. There's some great stories of Pootie Tang.

Any man who can fight with a belt. How do you not have great stories? The man when he had a ponytail and a belt and had his own language, how did he not build a movie on that platform and have success? You know, it's a cult classic.

People sit in their basement smoking the funny stuff while they watch it. Yeah. And you don't even need the funny stuff. Although it helps.

It does help. It's a great movie. To be reunited with JB Smoove. My brother. My brother. We are back. My man. By the way, Bob said Pootie Tang five times during that interview. So that's 22 fewer times than Marshall and Lynch said he was there to be fined.

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Call click Grainger dot com or just stop by. That's why I always love talking to Albert. He always has got some little twist that that the Niners are thinking of this playing surface and they might be like, OK, we're not going to we know we'll make the playoffs. We think we can beat the 49 the Minnesota Vikings without, you know, McCaffrey will, you know, we'll go with someone else and we'll go with someone other than Deebo. We'll get them ready for five and two. We'll just long marathon it.

Interesting information right there, to say the least. And we'll talk to Vonte Adams in hour number three. I've got some thoughts on that. And Adams himself has tweeted out exactly what he's talking about when he's upset about what's gone on for while the team's won two in a row. Jeff in Detroit, let's do it. How you been, Jeffrey? What's going on, man? Wonderful, wonderful. First of all, I'd like to commend all of you guys. The last two weeks when you were across the pond, you stayed on the air in touch with the show every day and made it, you know, stay connected with us. And I know you were tired, but Chris, T.J., and Mike, you guys are co-hosts to the fullest. Kept Andrew straight and it was a wonderful, wonderful thing to see you guys working in unison. Thank you.

Really was. Appreciate you saying that. That means a lot that you would notice it and take the time to recognize it. Thank you. Appreciate it. Oh, no problem.

No problem. Listen, I heard you guys are on your way to Grand Rapids on the radio and I'm hoping that you guys get a Detroit affiliate here soon. I don't think you're on here in Detroit. If you are. Not yet.

I sure don't know. Not yet. Not yet. But we're in other parts around the great state of Michigan and we'd love to be on in Detroit. And no, we'll work on that. We got it.

We got to get you, man, this hospital, firehouses, work sites, barbershops that needs that knowledge that you be dropping, brother. Everybody in the 313. Right about now with the Detroit Lions, I'm just giddy. Everybody talks about how great they are and how, man, this is just contrast to like last year. This time, man, I'm just, I'm giddy and my thoughts, I'd have one last thought. I honestly feel bad for the Jets and you guys and I'm hoping on the come up, but I feel like I got cheated so bad.

You know what will happen with Aaron because I'm looking and I'm like, my God, would that what would that be like? But you guys handling business, man, that defense is something else. I appreciate it.

Same to you. I mean, again, the Detroit Lions, as I mentioned, thanks for the call, Jeff, at the top of the program in the, we started with the top five list of things that we know for sure about this season through six weeks. Number two is the Detroit Lions are for real, honestly, where, what, what about them other than the fact that they're just the Lions gives you an indication that they're not for real because the end of last season, you have to take that into account the way that they finished up and the way that they finished up, literally quite literally was playing the final game of the season fully knowing it meant, if you will, nothing in terms of their standings for 2022 or their ability to keep playing in 2022. All it was, was a matter of pride for the Lions. I'm turning a phrase there as well, but yes, that means a ton that they would spit their last 2022 breath to use a wrath of con phrase in the direction of the Packers and Aaron Rogers and have Rogers stroll off with Randall Cobb as teammates for Green Bay for the final time.

They did that. And then they got the ultimate let's not forget. They got the ultimate praise from the NFL, which is we're putting you on the first game in front of the nationally televised audience in the toughest assignment there is in the NFL, starting the season on the road at the home of the defending champs while they raise the banner in front of their giddy fans. And I understand Chris Jones was out and I understand Travis Kelce was out, but they did what they needed to do, which is win the assignment. And then since then, with the exception of, again, they can't get past the Seahawks this team. Yeah, that was a weird, weird game.

It's so funny too. You mentioned the, the, the Niner, the Niners and the, and the chiefs. If the Lions team was wearing red, we'd probably think of them differently, you know, question the names, strip the logos. We'd look at them as a powerhouse in the same way that you would feel the same way about name any other baseball team. If they're not in the Northeast name, any college football team, if they're not in the Southeast, you know, if say university of Washington played in the sec instead of the PAC 12 perfect example, right? You can't say if the Philadelphia Phillies played at somewhere other than the Philadelphia, because that's part of the Northeast. Right.

Hell, hell yeah. You're right about that. Quarterback play the defense, the coach, the playmakers on offense, and again, just because you know, Jamison Williams is not a top 50 fantasy wide receiver.

I'm on Ross St. Brown. You know, I was talking about him top 10, a lot of folks don't draft him in fantasy. Jared Goff might even still be available in your fantasy league. You know, David Montgomery was a cast off from the bears and clearly that's a downgrade because Jamal Williams, who apparently it does appear to be returning from action tonight for the saints this evening, um, he's gone and they've done this without Jamir Gibbs. That kid has not done hardly a thing and he is a matchup problem. If he's healthy guarantee you facts, they got a tough assignment with the Ravens this week. Big time. They might lose them too, but for them, that's an out of conference loss. It's one of the best losses you can have.

It's an out of conference loss, you know, um, uh, that's why I'm saying like, what, what about them does not appear to be real other than the fact that they're the lion. That's it. You can check out on Westwood one, the national football league action sponsored by auto zone for free all season long. You can listen every Westwood one broadcast of the NFL live on the NFL app by asking Alexa to open Westwood one sports or on your Westwood one affiliate stations, digital platforms.

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Mike McDaniel. I love the great sound bite. God, I love listening to this guy.

It's kind of more of a life lesson too. And I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. When I say that that's next. This is the rich Eisen show back here on the program. So we're getting set to do tomorrow.

Our fantasy basketball draft lottery. They're doing a Monday. No doing it tomorrow. I'm not going to be here tomorrow. I'm not here either. Oh, you're not here tomorrow. I'll do a Monday.

I'll do a Monday. Yeah. Yep. Excuse me. Sorry, Richard. How are we going to choose our draft order? Cause you said I can't be first overall because I got it the last year. Oh, you're not allowed to be first over. I am indeed.

Because you won the title and then all of a sudden you had the first pick and it's like, that's not really fair. No, I think we should spin the wheel and this, oh, we have the wheel is the wheel. You betcha. So we're each going to take one spin.

One spin. That's it. Right. That's it. And whoever has the highest.

Closest to a dollar is what would that be? It didn't get, it didn't get full rep one full revolution. There you go. There he is.

So for instance, I would be dude, if that happens Monday, it would be glorious. We're going to redo. No, I'm not going to read it. You don't get the first pick. That's the rule, but that's not the one. If you spin the wheel and you wait, wait, wait, that's what the hell? I'm the commissioner. I make the rules.

I just, if we're spinning the wheel, we're spinning the wheel and I just did multiple revolutions of it. Too bad. Then we're not doing it.

Don't be this way. Then we're not doing it. You don't get the first pick.

That's absurd. Then we're not doing it. You're not getting your way.

What do you mean not getting my way? This is the way it's going to be done a year ago. You don't get the first pick. He's in charge. Apparently. I mean, am I the commissioner? Am I not the commissioner?

Well, I mean, I don't want to turn this ugly, but then, you know, we'll have a conversation about it. That's ridiculous. Oh wow. Take your ball and go home. Yeah, I will. Back here on the rich eyes and show eight four four two oh four. Rich is the number to dial here on the program.

So this is a fascinating. You hear all the time, man. You hear all the time and Brock Purdy joining us in our number three is exactly the guy that you hear it about all the time. System quarterback, product of the system, product of the coach, product of the other guys around that, you know, without him, he stinks. Put him in another system. He stinks. We'll put him with another coach. He stinks. Now, it's just circumstances have actually aligned for the guy.

How does that sound? That everyone's technically a system quarterback. Yeah, you could say that about everybody. Literally everybody is a system quarterback. Mahomes you know, everyone just sees his talent and thinks he would be great everywhere else. Peyton Manning, you see his talent, he'd be great everywhere else, Brady. But sometimes you need the right spot to become great. You need the right circumstances to become great. Again, we're going to talk about Devontae Adams in our number three.

Great with Rogers, great in that system. And here he's struggling to get the football because circumstances are not the case. He's still incredibly talented. You just need the opportunity of it.

You need the opportunity of it. I'm sure Trey Lance is sitting there in Dallas thinking the same thing. You'd love the opportunity that say Ron Fitzpatrick had. He got more and more opportunities, but maybe sometimes it just wasn't in the right spot. Maybe the best spot where him was Washington DC and then he got hurt.

This is the reality of it. But we all, you know, in a world of talking for a living, think that this guy's less than because he was garbage first coming out. Tua Tungovailoa, hey, has gone from, dolphins are going to tank for Tua, they fell in love with him the minute he looked off for safety and found Devontae Smith in the national championship game for Alabama true. And then he gets drafted over Justin Herbert, which is a mistake, which everybody said, just take a look.

Just the eye test. Look at Justin Herbert. That's the guy you draft, not this slight lefty until the proper coach and the rest of the system and the proper weapons get put around him. And now look at him, MVP candidate, 100%.

He's the favorite. Is it because of everything around him or is he just the same guy who looked that way in Alabama and he finally got a shot? Great exchange with Mike McDaniel on this very subject yesterday. Hit it.

There's some folks who believe that many quarterbacks in this scheme with you as the coach with Tyreke and Jalen, maybe even many, many quarterbacks would excel, would flourish near the top of the passer-raider leading MVP candidate. What if any pushback is there relative to, wait, no, no, hold on. Tua is a little different. I have to push this podium over. My answer to that would be who the F cares. I'm not in any hurry to prove myself without those guys because those are part of who we are and to try to say it's this person or that person is kind of missing the point. It is a team working together, people working together. And myself, Tyreke Hill, Tua, cool.

What if no one's blocking anyone? We're all connected in that way. That's why I think a lot of the guys, Tua's success is their success. Tyreke's success, Waddles, Rahim's, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We're all tied together.

It's a journey that we're experiencing together. Everybody will get the statistics from it, but none of those statistics are worth anything if you don't have a full support from your players across the board, all 11, and then it goes down to the organization and all those things combined. A million percent. Like a million percent. I like that dude like more every time he speaks. Every time he speaks.

It's a million percent. I mean, honestly, it is a convergence. Every season is a convergence of journeys into the same spot, and then teams get built together, right? Really like Tua has been waiting his entire professional career for Mike McDaniel to arrive, and his entire career led to this point. The guy who you saw the video of him when he was in Denver, I guess, with his earrings and whatever. Yeah, he was the ball boy.

Yeah, right. That guy needed to go through his journey, and he's met at the same point, Tyreke Hill, his journey. Like if they arrived, these two guys arrived when Tyreke Hill was in Kansas City going nuts, they would never have gotten Tyreke Hill ever because he was there in Kansas City still becoming Tyreke Hill. Look out to that point in Jalen Waddle, and everybody comes together, and we love that about sports. We love that about sports, the journey.

So then without him, Tua's not this guy, but without Tua being the guy through his journey, maybe these guys aren't all what they're doing right now. And a perfect example is us. I'll just give you, I'm always being honest, us, I'm serious. I am serious that without Peacock, we would have been dead and buried, and without Peacock, we wouldn't be sitting here on the Roku Channel right now. And thank goodness they were thinking about expanding their sports business, and we all come together, and then the people that we're all working with on the Roku Channel and Westwood One Radio together, we're not less of a show than we were two, three years ago.

You know what I mean? We're the same people, we just have the opportunity, and the fact that you are available, and Chris, you and TJ, and all of us together, and Hoskins, and everyone that we're working, and Liz, the whole group, Smitch, I know I'm leaving some... You know what I'm saying? We're all together as a team. Are you less than without us? Am I less than without you? Yeah, maybe, but together, we're a team, and so this whole business, we're picking it apart. You're less than without everyone. You're just rolling the footballs out. You're rolling the basketballs out. It's team. It's a team, and that's why we watch these documentaries, like America's Team, and all that stuff.

And when it comes down to it, then somebody's like, yeah, you're less than. Honestly, if Mo Lewis didn't blow up Drew Bledsoe, what would have happened with Brady? He might have been sitting there for two, three more years, and Belichick might have been gone. I mean, this is true. What, he traded him?

Oh, who the hell knows? So instead of sitting back and enjoying what we're seeing, we're picking it apart, and I guess that's the way the sports talk world or whatever, but I thought it was an incredible answer. Hey, it's about blocking. It's about our journeys together. We're coming together as a team, and I hope they stay healthy, because what they're doing on offense right now is a marvel to watch, a marvel, like one of the greatest offenses come together from their various different parts of the country and their careers and the world coming together.

They came together and formed like Voltron. Look what they're doing. They're crushing it. Our three coming up, Brock Purdy, everybody.

I'll even ask him, what do you think of the fact that everyone thinks you're rolling the footballs out? That's coming up, our three. Did you say Brock Eisen? Is that what you said? No, sir. Oh. If Brock Purdy was your son, this is not going where you think it is. What would you have named his middle name? Oh. Mike, what flows with Brock Eisen as a middle name?

Landers? I always say that. T.J. Because, you know, Taylor, obviously middle name after your favorite player, Jeter brought Reggie Eisen, Brock, Reggie Brock like that. I don't know. I'm just saying what would be a good F name? It's Gerald. Maybe.

I don't know. Whatever it is, it would just be an F name, you know, because Mattingly is named after Don Mattingly. Mike. Yeah.

My favorite Yankee. But it's particularly perfect lettering because she is too much Eisen. Fantastic.

So Brock would be big F in Eisen. Right. That would be my answer. Just first watch it and expect you to ask me of that. That's what I mean.

I was just, you know, again, not where you thought I was going. You know, like, you know, BFD. Right. It would be BFE.

BFE. Yeah. I won't be asking him that question. Oh, OK. Good one, though.

He's your fourth son. Yeah. So prior to the show, when we agreed to do the spinning of the wheel. He wasn't here, I don't think. Yeah, he was. No, no, no.

A million percent. I spoke to him about it last night. No, I know. I was just being a jerk for this.

Oh, OK. I just got pissed I spun a dollar because that might happen Monday. I can't wait. I hope it happens, Rich. Every Monday, Rich Eisen and Chris Brockman react to what's happening in the world of football on Over Reaction Monday. Dolphins Final Four AFC team.

Oh, that is not an overreaction at all. I'm with you. You're in. I am in. The other three Final Four teams. If you were asking me to call my shot, this is the Over Reaction Monday podcast. Entertainment purposes only.

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