REShow: Michael Kay - Hour 3

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I do. I think part of it is him. Like, I don't know if he can ever be the guy. Earlier on the show, Dolphins running back Raheem Moster. Coming up, YES Network, Yankees broadcaster Michael Kay, plus your phone calls and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

Our number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. Great conversation with Raheem Moster to the Miami Dolphins in our number two. I could definitely tell you that him talking about beating Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle in a 40-yard dash is something that would cause people to maybe talk about. Or the way that he said that even he stopped trash talking the Broncos at some point might be something that people will talk about to pull out of interviews. As you know, interviews get aggregated in this world, right?

By news media sources. But the main headline to take out of Raheem Moster's conversation is he complimented me on my 40-yard dash form and he's a track and field star. So, who's going to pick that up? Rich, hold on a second.

Is Dov Kleinen going to pick that one up in Israel or what? Rich, I'm being told that Raheem has entered a concussion protocol after that. How dare you make light, sir.

And by the way, not a concussion protocol. My form. He likes it. How dare you. How dare you. All right. Oh, gosh.

Is this going to be a great conversation? Because I love this man. I have nothing but love for this man. I spend more time with this man between the months of March and September than I care to admit. But I love him. I've known him for damn near 30 years. He is the voice of the New York Yankees and the host of the Michael K show. And joining us right now, I believe from Toronto, Ontario, is Michael K. How you doing, Michael?

What's going on, man? Great, Rich. How you doing? I am in Toronto, by the way. Okay, very good. Watching the Yankees playing out the string.

God bless you as a professional. And I want to get to the Yankees in a second. Michael, if I told the young kid, you grew up in what part of New York City did you grow up in, Michael? The area? What did you grow up in? The Bronx.

Okay, the Bronx, right. If I told that kid from the Bronx that one day you'd have a show with your name on it, where Joe Namath would be broken by Zach Wilson and let the entire country know about it, what would you have said, that kid in the Bronx, Michael? What would I have told you?

I think about having a talk show, so I would probably say, yeah, really? But you know the dream at nine was to be the Yankee announcer. But the talk show came about, and Joe Namath certainly made some news yesterday. Oh, my gosh. Zach Wilson has broken Joe Namath, Michael.

There's no question about that. He basically called his play disgusting and said the best thing about him would be the back, send him to be the backup to Mahomes, is what he said. The interesting thing, Rich, is that he tweets, or I don't know what to call it on X, he X's.

Yes. And I was looking at it during the rain delay on Sunday at the Jet game, and I could see that his comments were really pointed. So between innings after the game resumed, I just texted my producer, I said, let's try to get Joe on, and I think he really wanted to come on.

Usually it takes, you have to go through his people, but he also wanted to be on Zoom, which I usually don't do, so that gave us the video portion for the S Network. And then Don and I didn't have to do much heavy lifting there, Rich. We just asked one question, and he went off. He was not happy with Zach Wilson. Yeah, I know.

And your questions that elicited it were, you try to be positive, like what was positive, and you said nothing. And then you said, what would you do if you had him in your, I guess, mentorship? And he's like, he was uninterested in being a mentor to Zach Wilson.

Michael. Yeah, you know what's amazing? So many things came out of that interview, Rich, but the thing that really got me, when Joe Namath said he has never met Zach Wilson. And to me, that's on the Jets. I mean, this is your most famous alum, period, end of sentence. Every quarterback that puts on a Jet uniform should at least meet Joe Namath and have some words, not to talk about X's and O's, but just to talk about being a quarterback in New York and how you handle it. He has never met the guy.

I don't get it. That's malfeasance on the Jets' part. And maybe that led to Joe being as upset as he was. How dare the Jets not make Zach Wilson and Joe Namath meet. It doesn't make sense. Well, I mean, I just want to do as much as I possibly can deep down, Michael, on giving the Jets a pass because they at least realized what had happened last year and moved as much heaven and earth as they possibly can to make sure that Zach was either on a path to be redeemed while he could sit and watch from somebody who can teach it and show it, or never play for the Jets again while still being on the roster. And they made every possible move to make that happen, and then Rogers goes and gets his Achilles blown out just four snaps in. And I'm just wondering if the fan base that you talk to every day is just sleepwalking right now, like zombies like that right now, Michael. They're kind of in a haze, but I will tell you this, and I said this in the summer, Rich, so it's not second guessing.

Yes, sir. There's no way in 2023 that Zach Wilson was going to be the starting quarterback for the Jets. No way. Even if they didn't get Aaron Rodgers, they would have brought in another quarterback to be the starting quarterback. That being said, you get Aaron Rodgers, which I totally approve of that move, and I'm sure that you did too.

He's 39 years old. How did the Jet organization think that it was a good idea to have Zach Wilson backing him up? One heartbeat away from being the starter, four snaps away from being the starter, and you're right back to where you were. He is not an established veteran quarterback behind him, so you don't completely blow the season away. By moving Zach Wilson in there, you have given up on the season.

I'm sorry, you have. He would not have been the quarterback if Rodgers wasn't there. He should have been the third string quarterback where he could have learned from Aaron Rodgers.

He never should have been the back home. So Michael Kay joining us here from Toronto, Ontario, where the Yankees are beginning to play out the string, and we'll talk about the Yanks in a second and what Aaron Judge said recently about giving his two cents on what happens moving forward. Aaron Rodgers was on your colleague at ESPN in our friend Pat McAfee's show in his usual Tuesday spot, and he was asked about the situation with Zach at present in New York. I don't know if you heard this.

I have not heard it, but I have read it. This is what he had to say, and I'd love to get your comments on the other side, Michael. This is what teams have to go through. There's adversity points in every season. This year it's happening early, and people are coming for us, and there's some heated conversations on the sideline and different things.

I think we need to hold our voice a little bit better. You know, it sucks not being there. It's tough, but it's really hard. I miss the guys. I miss the leadership opportunity.

I miss balling and competing. I feel like if I was there, some of those things wouldn't be happening. I'm not sure we'd be free and, oh, I don't know that. I'd like to think there's a possibility of that, but it's more the side stuff that I don't like and that I want to see us stick together through the tough times.

I said it to them in preseason. Our toughest task is handling success, and that's whether we're having success or not having success. It doesn't mean you're winning all the time and you're getting out the right way. It's when we're not having success, how do we respond?

How do we respond in person? And that goes for our fan base and former players as well. You're not helping the Cots. You're not helping the Cots. Michael? Is that a shot at Joe? There's no question. There's no doubt it.

And I even said that at the end of the first hour. Will he have, when he's on Pat's show, I didn't even know, because he's been on Fridays, I didn't even know if it was today. Will he take a shot at Joe Namath?

And everything he said up until that point, I totally was there for. But, hey, man, while he went in in Green Bay and all of that stuff, there's a lot of scars here that we were hoping that his play would heal. But I think that was a shot at Namath and telling the fans to R-E-L-A-X in a way. First of all, I've heard from people, Rich, I'm not sure, but I think you're a Jet fan. So Joe Namath, I'm sorry. He has hard watch.

He could say what he wants when he wants to say it. He is the king of New York Jet history. And if he has a pointed comment like that, he can make it. He doesn't have to be a cheerleader. He doesn't work for the Jets. People that work for the Jets, it's a different story. And Aaron Rodgers hasn't been here his entire career. He doesn't know what Jet fans have gone through. He doesn't know the angst that they've gone through. And there are going to be shots fired.

Sorry, there are. And I think Jet fans are most disappointed, not so much in Zach Wilson, but that Zach Wilson isn't put into this situation. So I think that goes to the top of the ladder for the Jets. Joe Douglas, who has assembled a really, really, really good roster, has essentially put a child in the seat of a Maserati. It doesn't make sense.

It just doesn't make sense. You've got to back up your 39-year-old quarterback with somebody with more experience. And I'm sorry Zach Wilson has proven for three years now he is not that guy. The wrong guy to be taking shots at is Joe Naaman.

I'm sorry. Michael Kay here on the Rich Eisen Show. Let's talk about Aaron Judge saying what he said this week about how he will be vocal in the nonplaying season, about what the Yankees should do. He's got a lot of thoughts. Do you have any bullet points that you think he would be forwarding? And to whom will he forward it, Michael?

Well, first of all, a lot of people rolled their eyes. What do you mean he has thoughts? He's not management. Rich, when you signed a 9-year, $360 million contract, you were essentially Hal Steinbrenner and the Steinbrenner family's partner for the next nine years. Damn straight.

Damn straight. I think that Aaron Boone had a great answer to it yesterday. He said, of course, Judge and Cole are going to be consulted on everything. They know what's going on in that room. They know what's wrong. They know what has to be fixed. And I think players know better than anybody, Rich, better than media, probably better than coaches, because they know what each and every guy is thinking. And I have utmost respect and faith in Aaron Judge. And I think if he has things that he thinks have to be fixed, then you know what?

You go to Hal Steinbrenner, you go to Brian Cashman, and you try to get those things fixed. It doesn't mean that everything that he says is going to be done, because I've found over the years sometimes players are the worst GMs. But maybe it's beyond that. Maybe it's culture. Maybe it's the way the analytics are handled and passed down to the players.

Maybe it's just the process that he doesn't like. I don't think he's going to play GM, say, get rid of this guy, get rid of that guy. But if there's a guy that is impeding the positive culture that should be in that room, he should make it known to Cashman, and he should make it known to Steinbrenner. So I thought that was a pretty smart thing for him to do, because he's an important player. For the Yankees, he's the most important player.

And I'm fully – that's why I'm on kind of pins and needles about what he thinks needs to be fixed. I would love to be a fly on that wall, but you do think that if he says it to Cashman, he's going to be saying it to the general manager of the Yankees? Do you think Brian's going to be around after this season? I'm sorry. I know a lot of Yankee fans get angry at me on the show every day.

I don't think there's going to be any major front-facing changes. I think Brian Cashman's going to be there, and I think Adam Boone is going to be there. And I thought that Boone had a chance that they would scapegoat him. But, Rich, since that Miami loss, where he's almost been resigned, that it was over, I've never seen him so tranquil. And this is a guy who has a fire burning in his belly, and he has been very tranquil. And I asked him that question yesterday, and I said, when you were driving to Yankee Stadium today, did you ever give it any thought that this could be the last time you drive there as manager of the Yankees?

And he said, no, never. Now, unless you're completely in la-la land, how could you not give thought that this could be the end of your job when the team's not going to make the playoffs and Mike finished last and Mike finished under.500? So the fact that he never gave it a thought, that tells me he's been told he's coming back. I think if there's changes, it might be to the medical group. It might be to the science group. They might rejigger the analytics, stuff like that, maybe fire development. But in terms of the front-facing people, Cashman and Boone, I think they're coming back.

That doesn't mean that they're going to run it back to the players, but I think those guys are going to be the guys that will be handling it in 2024. So I guess that's, just to circle back, the bullet points of what Judge might be talking about. Is it in the locker room the way whatever Cashman and his analytics group is giving to Boone, is giving to the guys? I mean, any scuttlebutt that you can pass along from what you hear following the team all year long, what Judge might be referring to?

No, I really don't. I mean, he really plays it close to the vest. He's always accepting. He's a lot like Jeter that way, but he really doesn't tell you what's in his soul, and he's not one of those guys, Rich, that, you know, off the record, this is what's happening.

He doesn't play that game. Anything he says is pretty much on the record, so I'm not sure what it is, but I'm sure that the way the analytics are handed down and the things that they stress, I think that that has something to do with it, because when they got rid of Dylan Lawson, the hitting coach, and they brought in an old-school guy like Sean Casey, and then they bring in Andy Pettitte as a consultant, that tells me they're trying to dial it back just a little and maybe look into the stomach of a player rather than just, well, this is what he does 40 percent of the time. That's the thing that I've always felt was the flaw in analytics, Rich. The thing that frustrates the analytic guys is that you cannot, under any circumstance, quantify guts and clutch. They don't believe in clutch because they can't put a number on it. I believe in clutch. Players that I work with, like Paul O'Neill and A-Rod on K-Rod, they believe in clutch. They believe in hot. They believe in cold, but analytics guys don't.

Yeah, I mean, if O'Neill believed in analytics, he wouldn't have gotten so upset at Kramer for promising two home runs, right, Michael? You know, back in the day? You know how hard that is to do? I heard that. I heard that.

I heard that line before. All right, Michael, it's great to see you, man. It's great to see you. Enjoy the last couple days of another Yankee season, and it was great to see you and Joe Namath.

I mean, that was... I just said to myself, this is a guy who, like, cheer-leaded Ray Lucas, and this is the kid that's finally broken him. You know, I mean, it's... And I can't believe we're in this position, so I guess the last one for you is, how do you think your fans, when you speak to them on your show, are going to handle being told that they're not helping the cause from Aaron Rodgers, Michael? You know, last week, the big point on talk shows in New York, you know, back sack, don't boo him. It's not the fans' job, and they want to cheer him.

Buck Showalter once told me that. He said the misconception about New Yorkers, they want to boo. No, no, they want to cheer, and if you don't give them something to cheer, they're going to boo. I don't think you just boo like a fool if the guy's not playing well. He gave you nothing to cheer for, so it's not the fans' job to boo the psyche of players.

It's the players' job to play better. Michael, you're the man, and my son Coop sends his best. Seriously, we spend... Like, you could babysit. You should charge Susie and I for babysitting, Michael.

I do want to know one thing, though, Rich. You said at the beginning of the interview that the Yankees were playing out in the string. Will you and your son be watching these six games? Absolutely.

We absolutely will. Seriously, Michael, you have no idea when my son isn't looking at cars or whatever, because he's a car freak, too, he's always on the MLB app and he's always watching the Yankees, and he can't get enough of it. He just cannot get enough of the sport, so...

He raised them well. You know what? We're trying our best right here. Michael, you're the best. Thanks again for the call. Enjoy the broadcast. You be well. You bet. That's Michael Kay joining us from the Yes!

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Give a minute. I just want to breathe in and then exhale, you know, and then make some calls. Take some calls. Take some calls. Take some calls.

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Because there's a lot of hand wringing over it these days. Well, I think I struck out too much, and I average somewhere 2,521 years is 125 a year. But that's too many.

And I think for 162 games, if I would have played them, I'd have averaged 140 something. That's too many strikeouts. You can get by with it. This is, wow, hold on. Let me take this call from Hal Steinbrenner. I'll call him right back. Okay, you go. Hal, I'll call you right back, it's Reggie.

Okay, thank you. Reggie, I mean, seriously, you could take that. I mean, you could put me on hold for the boss. That's okay. I can't have you hear what I'm saying. Now, hold on a second, Reggie. Okay.

Now, hold on real quick, though. I would not be doing my job if I didn't ask this question. If that was George back in the day, would you have been able to tell him?

No, no. What you just told his son? No, no, I'd have hung up on you. I might not even have told you. I just acted like I wasn't on the phone. I'd have hung up. Oh, man.

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Call clickrainger.com or just stop by. One of my initial concerns when the Jets were circling around Aaron Rodgers, as you know, I came to love the idea of Aaron Rodgers coming to the Jets. After initially being skeptical.

You know, you weren't on board right away. And part of the reason why is because I didn't know if he and the New York fan base would mesh. And then, you know, like, if he ever had to engage the New York fan base to tell him to relax, for instance, how that would work, how that would land, and the flight plan in New York. Because we New Yorkers, you know, we're easy to rile up. Relaxing, we don't do that. We don't do that on the way to work. We don't do that if you're walking down the street and cutting us off. It doesn't work if, you know, you're... People lay on the horn in New York. There's no relaxing. You know, if you ever talk to somebody who just landed a JFK or LaGuardia or whatever, how many times do you hear a siren or a horn in the background?

All the time. Okay, like, we don't relax. We don't relax.

We're not the relaxing type in New York City. So the question is, if he's ever in that position, how would it land? Didn't think that position would come because he blew his Achilles out four snaps and 75 seconds into his tenure. Zach Wilson would be reinstalled as the starter.

He would, as we all feared, look completely unready for the moment and everything that we were so excited about would be circling down the drain and we'd feel like the football gods were kicking us in the nards. And we also didn't think that when he was telling us to relax, essentially, he would be saying the same thing directly or indirectly to Joe Namath, who went on New York radio and our friend Michael Kay, who just joined us on his broadcast, to say that Zach Wilson, he was seen enough of him. And to be honest, he gave voice to the entire fan base.

And the entire fan base reveres him because we've been waiting for the next version of him. So Rogers went on Pat McAfee's show today and I'm hanging on his every word because I believe he is the guy who can kind of tell Garrett to hang in there and everyone else to hang in there. He's the one who is manifesting for Makai Becton, you know, who gave up the final, I think, nail in the coffin sack. Was it Matthew Judon who ran over him? Yeah. He runs over a lot of people, to be fair. He sure does. So play that first sound bite, the one that we played for Michael Kay.

If you don't mind, Mr. Hoskins rolling. This is what teams have to go through. You know, there's adversity points in every season. This year it's happening early and people are coming for us and there's, you know, some heated conversations on the sideline and different things.

I think we need to hold our voice a little bit better. You know, it sucks not being there. It's tough.

It's really hard. I miss the guys. I miss the leadership opportunity.

I miss balling and competing. They're like, you know, if I was there, some of those, you know, things wouldn't be happening. I'm not sure we'd be free and early.

I don't know that. I'd like to think there's a possibility of that, but it's more the side stuff that I don't like and that I want to see us stick together through the tough times. I said it to them, you know, pre-season. You know, our toughest task is being handling success. And that's whether we're having success or not having success. It doesn't mean you're winning all the time and you're getting out the right way. It's when we're not having success, how do we respond?

How do we respond inversely? And that goes for our fan base and former players as well. You're not helping the Cots.

You're not helping the Cots. Former players, I don't think he's referring to Jericho Cotchery. So him essentially telling Namath that he's not helping and the fan base of which I, as you know, is a part, not helping.

I just want to say again, all I want is help for Zach in the worst way because we are drowning and watching him flail in the water, drowning again. So, you know, I don't think that's going to land very well in the New York fan base. And because while Aaron was growing up in Chico, California, you know, down the road, UC Davis is where Ken O'Brien played his college ball and we went and got him instead of Dan Marino. And I could go down the list of things that we, as Jet fans, have been enduring while he was growing up and becoming the stud and future Hall of Famer that he is. And all he's got to do is look at the guy he used to share a quarterback room with and what he did when he finally left and Aaron could get his shot is just another moment where hope is dashed and has been dashed.

So I will basically say it's tough to hear that and then play another sound bite where I can only hope what he's selling actually is worth buying. As you saw this weekend, anybody can beat anybody. And I've already seen, you know, we're almost double-digit underdogs at home against Kansas City and they're coming off a beat down in Chicago and blah, blah, blah. But, you know, it's a home game.

It's Sunday Night Football. It's an opportunity for us to go out there and show what we're all about. I'd like to see everybody stick together, our fan base, our former players and our current players because too much negativity and the world is crashing down after three weeks.

It's a long season, a lot of time, a lot of things that can happen. Let's just take a couple of breaths. I'm not going to say we need to relax.

Let's take a couple of breaths. And then there's going to be some fun things on Sunday. I hope so, Aaron. Man, do I hope so because he's not wrong. Because it's not just after three weeks.

It's after 54 years. And I understand he could sit here and go, the now's the now and that's then. But unfortunately, that just isn't the case in Jet Fandom.

It's just not the reality of it. And I can only see how, again, some fans will be taking this. And we're only, I think, one more step or two away from fans saying, why are you sitting out in California and not rehabbing here? You can be here.

There are planes. There's rehab facilities in New Jersey and New York. And the only answer I would say to that is it's his Achilles. His doctor that did the surgery is as good as they come. Again, Jill Burrow is the one who went up to Neil Elitrosh after the game last night because Neil did his knee. The same guy who did Roger's Achilles and just did Otani's arm. And I should also say, Susie Schuster's knee.

The most important knee of all. Please. So that's why he's out here. But we're only a couple steps away from that of fans basically saying, hey, Aaron, you're zooming in on Pat's show. We need you here.

Like, get on a rascal and be on the sideline or be in the building. And his answer could be, I'm rehabbing. You want me back next year?

You want me maybe speed bridging my way back in January? You know, this is what I got to do. And that's where family squabbles hit. And this is where things can get ugly.

And you know who can actually help avoid that? Zach Wilson. Because if Zach does what Rogers is saying on Sunday night against the Chiefs and the guy who Tony Romo once said Zach has the ceiling of, Mahomes, how long ago was that? Right?

Yeah. And Kelsey and maybe Taylor Swift in the building and a whole hoo-ha of everybody talking about it. And then the defense shows up and then chases down Mahomes to the point where, OK, who does he have other than Kelsey to throw to? And then you actually start running the ball down Steve Spagnola's throat and you win a football game that nobody expects, just like the Cardinals did to the Cowboys.

And then all of a sudden, Zach, pressure off, go and grab your Gilligan hats and go show Sean Payton what he said about the offensive coordinator was wrong to begin with and let's go with Jalen Hurts coming in your house on a two-game win streak. See, I manifested. Let's see if it happens. Because if it doesn't, there's no amount of light, darkness, ayahuasca or anything that's going to get anybody in New York to calm down.

Facts. So I'm still here buying. Well, trust me, I want to buy in the worst way. Good Lord, do I want to buy.

I just don't want to be buying my third drink of wine in front of my children Sunday night walking out of the room cursing into a pillow because I'm trying to be a good dad. They're all going to be watching to see if Taylor Swift is there. I would say don't watch the game if you don't.

First of all, I'm a professional. I will watch it because I know we will talk about it. The building's going to be empty at halftime. I don't know. Maybe Aaron's manifesting properly because they do have the horses to basically say to the Chiefs, who are you going to throw to if we take Kelsey out of the game? Maybe you can go hunt down Mahomes in a way you couldn't get to Mac Jones.

Who knows? Any given Sunday. I mean, if I got to if I got to put it all on the any given Sunday, I'll follow Roger's lead. I have no other choice. You do. You do.

You do have a choice. To stop watching? Yeah, stop watching. Also, who the hell is Aaron Rodgers to tell Joe Namath to shut up? Rodgers has been a jet for two seconds.

Joe Namath is the most famous jet of all time. He didn't tell him to shut up. He told him that he's not helping the cause. He basically did. I know that. And New York fans are going to tell him.

Who do you think you are, man? Your hippie dippie stuff doesn't work with New Yorkers. Well, not in this case. It sure did when he was going to the Tonys and hard knocks and like crazy. Yeah. I know. Honeymoon stage. This is the real death of the marriage. This is it.

So hopefully he's carrying the flag for the Jets right now because jet fans don't want to hear it. Didn't Billy Joel write a song about this? Their marriage is over in six months. No, that's a little longer than that. Go on. Brenda and Eddie. Oh.

They had had it already by the summer of 2023. Look at you. It's over. Well, I'm going to have a bottle of red and a bottle of white handy from Sunday night.

Just tank for Caleb Williams, bro, and then go quarterback somewhere else next year if you want to keep playing. We can go home now. Thank you. You know I'm right, man. I love you.

You know I'm right. Alfonso in Virginia. Let's take his phone call. What's up, Alfonso? What's up? How you doing?

Hey. I've been better. How you doing? How you doing? What's up? What's going on?

I'm here. Yes. What do you have, Alfonso? First of all, I want to say thanks to you, Stuart Scott, and Scott Bantel.

Yes. Man, y'all used to make ESPN what it is. Thank you very much, Alfonso. What it is now is nothing compared to what it is.

Oh, don't say that. There's a lot of hardworking people. What else is on your mind there, Alfonso?

What do you got? I'm a Jets fan. Always have been a Jets fan.

Yo name it, all my life. The thing is this. They're saying that the Dallas Cowboys is nothing, right? The problem is Jerry Jones is biting off his own hand. He's not giving Jimmy Johnson his credit for the Super Bowls. And since he's not putting them in the ring of honor, Carmen is kicking them in the butt.

He's not going to win nothing ever again because he's not giving that man his credit for being who he was for the Cowboys. Thank you for the call, Alfonso. Thanks very much. That started off in a very jerky boys type sound. I thought it was like, you know, I don't need to talk to you. What do you make of that, though? The end part? The end part. You know, that is one way to look at it, right?

Bad karma? Another way to look at it is, let's just say Jerry retired at the end of the year, right? You look back on an owner of a team who's done as much as he's done. Like the casual fans... The Jimmy Johnson stuff.

The Jimmy Johnson stuff. Well, the point being, he won three Super Bowls. So did Jimmy won... Two. So I feel like if he never... You ask Irv, he would tell you the third one was coming.

If he never won another one... You ask Troy that, he would tell you that. I don't think that... I don't know if karma has... Well, it certainly didn't have anything to do with the first two weeks. That's for damn sure. I don't know. That's hard to say. It depends if you believe in karma or not. I know Dr. Jones with my rubber glove is gonna make sure every one of you are safe.

Thank you very much. I've seen a lot of people do stuff that you think would not work in their favor, and you're like, oh, karma will get them. And the next thing you know, they go out and win the lottery. So I... Karma Kramer? I don't know. Karma Chameleon? We'll take a break.

I'm gonna give you my top five list. This is... What a wild week it was. We're turning the page. As you know, Wednesday's about moving on. And what a weekend of football it was.

The wildest moments of maybe one of the wildest weekends. And in case you're wondering, what am I referring to? Stay tuned.

It's gonna be great. It could be information to change your life forever. Or the Something You Should Know podcast could just be something interesting. My guest is Kim Zuckman.

She is author of the book, There's No Cream and Cream Soda. I don't think I've ever really known the story of why they're called hot dogs. There is so many legends about the name of the hot dog. When the Germans immigrants came over and they brought all their sausages, they also brought their dachshunds.

It really is because they kind of look like dachshunds. Something you should know wherever you listen. Hey, it's Rich Eisen. You want an exciting and fast paced podcast based on one of the most popular segments in the history of The Rich Eisen Show? Well, you got it. Over Reaction Monday, hosted by me, Rich Eisen, and my compadre, Chris Brockman.

And every Monday, we're gonna dive into the headlines from pro and college football and overreact. Are you ready, Chris Brockman? Yay or nay?

Yes, Rich. No holding back, buddy. I'm coming for you. Absolutely what you need to hear. Over Reaction Monday, every single Wait For It Monday, wherever you listen. Why is Des Bryant tweeting out about Kyle Pitts being traded to the Cowboys? Say what now? Yeah.

What are you saying? Did I see something saying Kyle Pitts to Dallas with the googly eyes? We might need a free Kyle Pitts movement though soon.

Yeah, I wasn't really aware, but Brockman's been watching Atlanta and tell them what you were telling me that I never even really picked up. He gets overthrown on every play. The dude has an eight foot wingspan.

He's 6'6". How do you overthrow that guy? Never seen a guy more overthrown in football watching him in my days. The dude can't get a pass on the numbers. Can someone hit Kyle Pitts right here?

Something's wrong. We thought Kyle Pitts was the next coming, man. You know Kyle Pitts was on Game Day Morning Sunday?

Doing what? Kyle Brandt was doing his thing. He wore a suit and a tie on Game Day Morning, which he never wears. And he's in his suit and a tie. He's always in his t-shirts, whatever, his good morning football gear, so he's never really suited and booted.

He's never suited and booted. So he was doing his thing and he started sweating and he lifted his arms in his suit and he was... Pitting out. So Andy Gregg, because he's brilliant, gets in my ear, he goes, it's Kyle Pitts.

So I just blurted it out. Kyle Pitts. That was pretty funny. That was some hardcore sweating to go through.

I imagine he's wearing an undershirt, a dress shirt, and a suit jacket. Correct. I thought it was... Kyle Pitts was on the program. There was that much... Like, I thought, no, that's not real. Oh, yeah, Dez Bryant.

Kyle Pitts to Dallas. That's what he's saying. Is he trying to manifest? Everybody's manifesting.

I'd like to manifest that. Apparently Robert Griffin said something this morning. That's what I was going to say. Oh, is that what it was?

Yeah, maybe that's it. Oh, because he thought maybe he'd get Kyle Pitts to Dallas because that would handle the red zone issues. Right.

I see. Everybody's got red zone issues. You know who doesn't have red zone issues? The Chiefs.

The Dolphins. Because they're never in the red zone. They just scored from the 50. That's a way to fix any red zone problems is not to score from the red zone, just score from outside it.

They don't even have third downs. Back here on the Rich Eisen Show. Let's go to the phone lines. Let's go to Phil in Sacramento, California. What's up, Philip? Hey, morning gentlemen. How you guys doing? I'm great.

I'm in the capital of this great state of California. What's on your mind, Phil? Oh, man. So bear with me a second here and number one, thanks for always being a Closet Raider fan and supporter. Hey, I'm serious.

A lot of people don't understand, man. You've been going to bat for three years, so it feels good. The autumn wind.

You can't spell the autumn wind without me. And by the way, Amy Trask is in our green room right now. Susie's out on the floor. They're getting ready to do what? The football. So tune in for that one, Phil.

Please do that. Let's talk about that really quickly. So let's talk a quick conspiracy theory here, and I'll probably get laughed off the air. But so as a 47-year Raider fan and literally living at Ricky Sports Bar in San Leandro with John Gruden and all those guys over here, I've heard all kinds of stories. But there was an article written last year about halfway through the season, and it ended up in the San Jose Mercury News out here in the Bay Area. And I could be wrong.

I want to say it was Paul Gutierrez, but I could be wrong. And it was basically outlining this conspiracy to have Josh McDaniels, you know, going back all the way with the John Gruden leaked emails, and all of a sudden now we're implemented with Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler, basically half the Patriots organization, basically tanking from the interior to get rid of, I don't know, it sounds crazy, but it was wiped from the internet. Literally, it was on the internet for a day, and that story disappeared. Phil, I got to tell you, man, I got to tell you, this is whatever tinfoil stuff you're talking about here. Look, as far as I'm concerned, and I appreciate the call, Phil, call back, please, please, please.

I just want to get to my top five. The Raiders are the latest organization to say we want what the Patriots had. And tell me, which team has been able to recreate it? Nobody. No one. Never, ever.

Who has been able to, who's attempted it? The Lions with Patricia. The Broncos with Josh McDaniels. The Jets back in the day.

With Eric Mangini. The Browns. The Texans. The Browns and the Texans with Romero Cornell. The Titans. Well, the Titans are... Notre Dame tried. Notre Dame tried with Charlie Weiss. Charlie Weiss.

Didn't work either. You know why? Because it's one and done.

Because you have to, there's only one... Actually have Bill Billich. There's one alien that can only operate the machinery like Independence Day. That's it. The ship doesn't fly without the alien.

And there's only one Tom Brady. Right. So... Might do your job. So find your own way is what I guess we're saying. Or let's see. Let's see. It's a suggestion. Make your own pile. You're going with McDaniels and Jimmy Garoppolo in the front office and you're letting him become the patriot way, I mean everyone from the Raiders organization tells me it's been a culture shock just to have it flipped around from what it was to what it now is. Let him... You know, Mark Davis I imagine is just letting him have his way.

Again, Amy Trask is going to be with Suzy talking about this on What the Football. With various other items. And I believe flying saucers from Carvel Ice Cream have been included. We manifest an ice cream.

Is it manifesting? Can I have one of those? And it's here. Okay. Oh, Suzy's walking around right now.

Suzy's got him. Brockman will eat this. There you go. There you go.

There you go. Hand out the ice cream. In the meantime, while the ice cream is being handed out, I have, before we leave, a bonus top five.

Bonus. Go ahead and hit it. Hit it, please. Top five. One, two, three, four, five.

Richest top five. Oh my God. This is so delicious.

All right. Here we go. This was one of the craziest weekends in football I can remember. And here's my top five moments of the craziest weekend in football I can remember. Number five on this list is Miles Garrett's shadow. And by that, I mean not just three and a half sacks, but I have never seen a defender being shadowed by the offensive unit that he's trying to torment by having two tight ends travel.

Go and look at this video if you haven't seen it. Two tight ends are wherever Miles Garrett is lining up against the Titans for the Browns. And then he goes from one side of the line of scrimmage to the other, and the tight ends follow him. And then he goes, I guess realizing this is happening, he goes back and the tight ends follow him to the point where Ryan Tannehill can't snap the ball because they're not set and it caused a pre-snap penalty. Only a defender of Miles Garrett's quality causes a pre-snap penalty because he's causing an offensive lineman to twitch. Not two tight ends to keep motioning.

I've never seen anything like it and it didn't work. He had three and a half sacks. I'm going to retweet this video right now. It's incredible. Unbelievable. That's number five. Number four on the list.

Mike Hoskins, he tweeted this, he texted this to the group and this is as soon as it happened. Week one, the Cowboys shut out the Giants. It's only the sixth week one shutout in the Super Bowl era we've ever seen where one team scores 40 or more points in shutting the team out. They do that to the Giants who then go to Arizona the next week and have such a terrible first half that we think they're going to 0-2 and then have their greatest comeback since 1950 to beat the Cardinals who then in week three beat the team that shut the Giants out 40 to nothing in week one. The Cardinals stunning the Cowboys.

What'd you say in the town where Mowgliin doesn't have a plaque or a sign poster? They were 12 and a half point underdogs. And how many points did they win by? They won by 12. Okay, there you go.

I've never seen anything like that either based on the results of weeks one and two involving two teams and then the team that shut out the Giants who then come back on the Cardinals who then beat the team that shut out the Giants. How the hell does that happen? Number three on the list. Number three on the list. There's only one way to say it, so I'm just going to come out and say it. Ryan Day goes ham on Lou Holtz. What in the world was going on here?

Talk about unhinged. Your team just beat Notre Dame in Notre Dame in front of touchdown Jesus and everybody. Vince Vaughn dressed like he's in Rudy. Everybody's there. You win the game. You win the game and then afterwards the microphones placed in your in your face. And instead of you talking about how you know what a great moment it is for your team, he's like, where's Lou Holtz? Because he told McAfee's guy Ty Schmidt, Johnny Knoxville, old man mask dressed as Lou Holtz interviewing the actual Lou Holtz who started talking about how every team in Ohio State knew you could beat him.

And then he's sitting there at home here in this thing. It's a comedy bit. It's a gag. By the way, Todd Schmidt responding to Ryan Day is one of the most laugh out loud videos I've seen in a long time. And Ryan Day takes this cheese and starts screaming and yelling like he's on tilt. Only thing crazier than that from that game is number two on the list. Ten lonely Irishmen on defense. How in the hell did Notre Dame in the final two plays of this contest on the one yard line have only 10 men on the field? And then the coach says the reason why they had 10 men on the field is because they knew an 11th man was necessary. And he personally held the 11th man up because he didn't want that guy to get on the field late and then give Ohio State a second shot at it because he's on the field to prevent the first shot from happening as opposed to why don't you just get the guy out there and give it a shot? So you have 11 men for the moment you need it.

It made no sense. I cannot believe it happened that this preceding Ryan Day going ham on Lou Holtz because of what he said to a fake Lou Holtz is nuts. But number one on the list has to be the Miami Dolphins 70 burger. We talk about the 72 dolphins. Now we're talking about the 23 dolphins being the 70 burger dolphins. I've never seen anything like it because again, I was born in 1969. The last time it happened was 1966 unbelievable.

And that without a doubt, I don't need to go into the stats is the wildest moment of the wildest football. We need one more. Okay. All right. We'll get one more. All right.

Here it is. This is one marriage between the Swifties and the national football league. Travis Kelsey manifesting Taylor Swift in arrowhead to sit with his mother, to watch him curb stomp the bears was something that I cannot believe happened. We all thought, is it really happening? Are they really going to be dating or seeing each other or whatever? And it happens.

And the Swifties just absolutely take things over. What do I mean by that? Travis Kelsey gained more Instagram followers on this Sunday because Travis Kelsey's new BFF was there. Then he did on super Sunday. He gained more Instagram followers this Sunday that he did super Sunday leading to a 400 or plus more percent increase in merchandise sales. He now has the top five selling Jersey in the NFL. His viewership and the women demographic 18 to 49 went up 63%.

How do you check that? And that doesn't include my 10 and 15 year olds who suddenly have new found interest in chiefs football, the Swifties and the NFL and their shotgun formation marriage wraps up my top five wildest moments of a wild football weekend. Good luck to week four. Don't worry, it'll top it because you never know. You never know this narrative generating machine known as the National Football League.

Only problem is when that relationship goes south, it's going to be awful for Travis Kelsey or good for song making. Hey, guys, it's Suzy Schuster, and I am so excited for my new podcast coming out this fall. It is called What the Football with Suzy Schuster and the Princess of Darkness, Amy Trask. If you're looking for a new podcast to listen to about jargon, heavy legged waist benders and this is not for you, we're going to have big girl conversations and we're going super deep to bring you weekly guests that you won't find anywhere else. It is What the Football with Suzy Schuster and Amy Trask wherever you listen.