REShow: Greg Harden - Hour 3

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A little worse, huh? Because at least Marshall felt a little bad you don't. It came up in the conversation with Nick Saban today at the SEC media day saying that his favorite cake is carrot cake and it's not even close.

I said it's not even in my top 10. People are calling in 844204rich number. There's a poll question that's on our Twitter handle at Rich Eyes and show. Correct, Chris.

What do you got? Correct. Carrot cake. Is it a top five cake?

The gap is narrowed. What? No way is 55%.

Absolutely top five. 45%. Carrot cake. Making a run. Words I never said into this microphone. Almost 4,000 votes.

All right. Yeah, I hit that with a little retweet there. Who wins the NFC South, Rich? The Saints. 49%. I just had a great conversation in a brief conversation in our green room with Greg Harden, the author of Stay Sane in an Insane World.

How to control the controllables and thrive. One of his many charges. Tom Brady. I think you've heard of him. He is the man who wrote the forward for this book. And the University of Michigan athletic counselor, Greg Harden, who has also helped counsel Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson, Michael Phelps. Is he any good?

He's won a medal or two. And so he wants to come out and talk about his book. And we just had a nice brief chat.

He goes, We met when you were an honorary captain. I told him I blacked out that weekend. You definitely did. And it wasn't because I had anything to drink.

It's just because I just don't. I mean, you were, you know, I just remember that weekend. You were just like floating. You weren't even walking.

You were just hovering around campus. Well, I mean, I spoke to the team and you said I blacked out. You totally blacked out. That's not on YouTube.

It was awesome. But the moment going out for the coin toss is not on YouTube. I don't think. And again, I was standing there. I believe. Hold on.

I believe. There are four players, I believe. Booty, the famous tight end there, who is now a Big Ten Network announcer. Jake Butt. Jake Butt. But Booty. But that's right. That's actually I just I follow him on Twitter and his Twitter handle is Jay Booty.

So that just came out that way. I know it's Jake Butt. Trust me, my kids love. He's one of my Michigan's favorite. One of the kids favorite players from Michigan. Josh David.

Jake Butt. And it was one of the four captains. And I went out there with them. And I remember Harbaugh saying, if you know, we win the toss, we want to go, you know, we'll take the ball.

And if we lose the toss, then we'll go that way. OK. And he pointed in a certain direction. And I remember going out for the for the coin toss. And I got like polite applause when my name was announced.

But when it's polite applause times one hundred and five thousand, it was the loudest cheer I've ever heard. There were so many people. And it just blew me away. And I was just in a total zone. Like, I can't believe I, you know, I was.

You probably left your body, right? Dude, I was in the 50 yard line of the Big House where I went to school and I covered the team in 1989 in Bo's last season of the 1990 campaign. That had to be another bloody experience. I just couldn't believe it.

It was pretty wild. We were standing on the sidelines. It started raining.

They gave us rain gear. But I just remember, you know, being out there for the toss and I got snapped back into my body when it came time because we lost it and it came time to ask which way we were going. And I think Jake Butt looked at me and goes, which way? And I'm like, wait a minute.

Me? Like, I didn't know I was like, you're the captain. You're the captain to the team. And I literally, as I'm now rolling back and I kind of went, kind of like, you know, Enrico Palazzo called a strike and the naked gun like went like that late?

You know, like that thing? And you went higher registered. And I honestly, on the walk back to the sideline to Jim Harbaugh, I'm sitting there thinking, this is the ultimate, you had one job as the honorary captain to get this right. And you're like, did I know it? And I'm like, did I screw this up?

Did I mess this up? And I'm thinking to myself, I'm panicking. I probably needed Greg Harden to keep me sane walking back, you know, and I remember Harbaugh had his hands on his khakis. He was already in game mode, staring, you know, down a field. And all of a sudden I walked back to the sideline and he looks at me, snaps out of it, goes, hey, nice ovation.

That was so intense. Did you guys win that game? Yeah, we beat the breaks, as Deon would say, off of Central Florida. That was the year before they went undefeated. The Griffin twins were on the field that day. Shaquille and Shaquem, where I met them. Were they captains?

They were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was one of those many moments in my life when I went up to Shaquem when I saw him at the combine, I'm like, hey, we met before.

He goes, we have? I'm like, yeah, it was that guy. I was that guy.

Who was this person out here for the coin toss? Oh, you were? That was you? Oh, like I was the guy who said we're going this way.

How do you not remember me? He's like, you know you messed that up, right? Right.

Okay. Rashad White, our number one, said that he wants to be the first thousand yard rusher for the Buccaneers for the first time in a long time. He said, I found that pretty cool for a kid in his second year saying that he studied Tampa Bay, the history of Tampa Bay, running backs and all stuff.

He mentioned Doug Martin's name. That's a good one. The Muscle Hamster.

The Muscle Hamster, one of the great nicknames ever, right? Which he didn't like. I know. Because it talked about his stature, his height.

He knows how tall he is. Yeah, but you want to be constantly reminded. I mentioned Cadillac. Remember Cadillac Williams? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Ronnie Brown. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. That got us to thinking, yesterday, actually, before he said this, you and Sean Mitchell, Rich Eisen's show, digital platform coordinating producer, and you came up with what idea? Do you have an idea?

He put up a graphic. So, 16 players had a thousand yards last year. So, 16 teams.

So, 14 teams have a thousand yard rusher drought. Okay. So, if you guys want to just do the top ten, you have varying lengths. Okay. And we have, I have the teams, I have the players in front of me. Okay. We're going to play a game. All right.

So, TJ and I are going to see how many we can guess correctly. Correct. One of us will go first. Yeah. If one of us, TJ, gets it correct, we then maintain possession.

Okay. Keep possession. So, we're playing make it, take it, like we're playing one on one. Exactly.

Or it's like Family Feud. We go until we don't get it right, and then you have a chance to steal. So, you could pass in theory then?

I'm not, I'm never going to pass. I'll take a guess. I'd rather take a guess than not. Okay.

Each of us will have three opportunities to ask for which year is a hint, sort of like, you know, the spelling bee asking it in the form of a sentence. Sure. Okay.

Audemara Pia. And whoever gets the most correct? Wins.

Wins, I don't know. Carrot cake. Carrot cake. Which means I'm going to tank.

I'm going to tank. Oh, come on. Carrot cake.

Carrot cake. Let's get some, what do you got, some music here? Music, Rich. Rich, call it in the air. Oh, you're going to flip the coin. Okay. Just like I'm honorary captain again.

That wasn't in the air, but. Tails never fails. What are you doing? You're going to flip it over? Well, Jay Felley gave me a Canadian 50 cent piece.

What are you doing? Come on. It's what we sing here. Did we just, what is this, Phil Ruckett? Did we just screw up a coin toss?

Nah, it's heads. TJ, you're up. Okay. Very good. Very good.

Get some music. I like to receive. All right. First up. All right, TJ, throw one out there. Keep going.

Price is right not to. So I'm giving you the team? Yeah. That's it. I can't just throw something out. Right.

All right. The San Francisco 49ers. Last thousand yard rusher, TJ Jefferson. I have a chance to steal if you don't get this correct.

The last thousand yard rusher. They didn't have one this past season, correct? That's. That's the reason why they're doing this mix. Yeah.

That's why they're on the list. I'm stolen. I don't look protected. I understand. We got to go. Wow. We got a guest. Oh, man.

I've been waiting too long. Come on. Do you want a hint? No, no. No hints.

Okay. You can ask the year if you want to use one of those three. Yeah, give me the year. 2014. 2014. The 49ers?

They're the longest team without a thousand yard rusher. Oh, wow. Are we going to buzz, man?

This is, we can't have dinner. Come on, TJ. Five seconds.

Three, two, one. Sean McCoy. He didn't even play for him. Rich Eisen for the steal.

Frank Orr. Correct. Thank you.

See, I thought he was gone. The inconvenient truth. I should have just went with my first thought. Okay. Rich Eisen, it's your board.

Okay. Thank you. We just talked to Tampa Bay Bucks running back Rashad White. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have not had a thousand yard runner in quite some time. Who was that person? I will go with the aforementioned Doug Martin. Correct. Thank you. 2015.

Thank you. Doug Martin. Oh, I'm up 2-0, and I still have all three of my what year is it pre- Rich Eisen control the board.

I control the board, yes. We talked about them to start the show. The New York Jets. The New York Jets. Not had a thousand yard rusher in quite some time, your guess. I'm going to go with Rich Eisen's show favorite, Thomas Jones.

Ah. TJ Jefferson, the New York Jets. Okay, I'm going to have to ask you for the year. 2015. 2015. 2015.

You know, I don't know. Anyone on the Jets. Jets. Oh my God.

2015. Goodness gracious. He doesn't get any- Three. Two. Okay. One.

What do you got? Chris Ivory. Chris Ivory. That's right. That is, okay. Wow. Oh, and I think- That's a deep cut.

Might be the hardest one on this list. Okay. Yeah. I thought I was prepared for this. I know.

So I maintain possession? Rich Eisen, the board is back to you. Okay, I'm up 2-0. Who's in? Who's in?

What do you got? The Arizona Cardinals. The Arizona Cardinals. Last thousand yard rusher. I'll ask for the year on this one. 2016. 2016. 2016.

Thousand yard rusher for the Arizona Card- Oh my goodness gracious. In five. Three.

Two. I'll go Chase Edmonds, I know I'm wrong. What do you got TJ? TJ Jefferson.

2016 Arizona Cardinals. Wow, this is amazing that we can't get it right. My goodness.

I thought you guys might get this one. Okay. He was the favorite number one overall fantasy pick one year. Oh, of course, David Johnson. David Johnson. Oh, okay.

David Johnson. Okay, very good. What's next?

What's next? All right. Rich Eisen, still your board. The Miami Dolphins.

Thousand yard rusher, wow. It's been a while. Okay.

I'll go back in the day. I'll go Ronnie Brown. Good guess. Incorrect. TJ Jefferson.

You've got two of your- The Miami Dolphins. You've got two of your guesses left. Ricky Williams. No. Incorrect.

Okay. 2016, Jay Ajayi. Jay Ajayi. We're really not doing these running backs any service saying then. I think I knew that one. Are you a friend that we should phone? Rich Eisen, still your board.

Give me NFL films music here, please. It's enough. Still your board.

I feel like I can't believe it's not butter. Okay. What do you got over there?

After your board, Rich. The Buffalo Bills. Buffalo Bills. Last thousand yard rusher is...

I got it. Fred Jackson. Incorrect. Oh, that was my guess too. He never ran for a thousand yards? Or he wasn't the last one. He was the last one, but he wasn't the last one. Okay.

Huh. TJ Jefferson. I mean, I might as well ask for the year. 2017, 2017, Buffalo Bills.

Buffalo Bills. Oh, I thought I got that right. You were very confident. I was. Which I appreciate.

Which I appreciate. No, that's not 2017. Incorrect. Shady. I think I do too.

LaShawn McCoy, 2017. Okay. This segment's not working out too well. No, I really thought you were going to get these. How many have we got left here? Three? Let's see. We got four left. Okay.

I still can't maintain control of the board because TJ's terrible at this game. Rich Eisen. Yeah. The now Los Angeles Chargers. Their last thousand yard rusher.

Last thousand yard rusher. Hmm. This might work better if I give you guys hints. Okay.

What do you got? He famously rejected a contract extension. Famously rejected a contract exten- Oh, Melvin Gordon.

Melvin Gordon. Okay. Very good. That's number three. 2017. Okay. I maintain control of the board.

Maintain control of the board. The Kansas City Chiefs. Kansas City Chiefs. Last thousand yard rusher. We mentioned him yesterday. Kareem Hunt. Correct. Okay. That's four.

Two now. He led the league in rushing. He led the league in rushing that year. Yeah. As a rookie. 2017.

Yeah. The New Orleans Saints. New Orleans Saints. Last thousand yard rusher.

Is it tomorrow's guess, Mark Ingram? It is. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Maintaining control of the board. Los Angeles Rams. Los Angeles Rams. Last thousand yard rusher. I know this one.

You want to take it? T.J. Smith for the steal. Todd Gurley.

Todd Gurley. Correct. Right. Yeah. 2018.

Yep. How about the Carolina Panthers? I could have said Gurley and kept control of the board.

You could have. T.J. Jefferson. Carolina Panthers.

You did kind of just give me that one, so go ahead. McCaffrey. McCaffrey. The Texans. Is it Aaron Foster?

This one might be a little tougher. Aaron Foster? No, there was someone after him. Aaron Foster. Someone after Aaron Foster. Not Damian Pierce? No. You didn't have a thousand last year, but he will this year. He will this year.

Yeah. Carlos Hyde. Carlos Hyde. Holy buckeye, Batman. Carlos Hyde. How about the Denver Broncos? Their last thousand yard rusher?

He did it in his rookie season? I'm not correct, if I'm not mistaken. Okay. Philip Lindsay.

Okay, Philip Lindsay. Remember that TD gave him his 30. Yep.

The kid ran wild. Alright, last one, the Baltimore Ravens. The last thousand yard rusher for the Baltimore Ravens? Would have to be Gus. Did Gus do it? Gus Edwards?

Sometimes the obvious answer is to correct one. That's Lamar? Lamar Jackson. See, I mean, I knew that one. There we go. Interesting. Interesting list. We really didn't do, we kind of did a disservice to these running backs when we were saying how important they are, and then we can't even name any of them. Last for the past, names on here. I mean, Breece Hall, I would think, get a thousand yards this year. There they are. Right?

These are the last ones. LaShawn McCoy is the last Buffalo build around for a thousand yards. I would think Christian McCaffrey would get it this year for the 49ers. I forgot, remember David Johnson came in and Arians put him in there, and he was just a house-o-fire. And then everyone took him number one in fantasy, and then he hurt his hand and missed most of the year. And now the Cardinals acquired DeAndre Hopkins. They flipped him to Houston Texans. His career was kind of never the same. I started off with Gordon Martin, one, two, and it took me a while to finish it up. But thanks for playing T.J. Jefferson.

Do we have a photograph of T.J.'s? That's funny. I should have just cheated. That was like a double over.

That's how bad he was at that. Oh, you got the easier ones. Sorry. It had that coin toss been flipped a different way. This game went away.

I mean, I had an American coin, geez, you know. That was like, you got to start. No, I didn't. You blanked on free speech. You did. You blanked, you didn't even give an answer on the 49ers.

And I went Frank Gore. My gosh, that was like Master Key. There was being actually looked this time. Greg Harton sitting in the green room saying, well, really? He's wondering what am I doing?

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And I've heard of the guy who wrote the forward, his name is Tom Brady, the author and long time Michigan athletic counselor Greg Harden here on The Rich Eyes and show. Good to see you. Good to see you, young man. I mean, you know, you and I were talking back there and, you know, last time I guess we crossed paths was when I was there, by the way, it's seven years ago. Seven years ago, sir, when I was the honorary captain. When Harbaugh asked me to do that, I, you know, I was bowled over, blown away because when I first showed up on campus in 1986, Jim was, was the senior quarterback, you know, saying we're going to go win the Rose Bowl and probably pissing bowl off, you know, and he was my first quarterback at Michigan.

So for him to be the coach and say, hey, do you want to be the honorary captain? I was, I was blown away. That was great. Yeah. Yeah. But that was a special day. And it's a matter of fact, I've got rumors about that day. In fact, I heard that you did a standup comedy routine for the team. Well, now that wasn't on that day.

That was at the Rose Bowl against Texas. Out here? Out here. Oh my God.

Yeah. Where Lloyd Carr asked me. That had been 2004 or five or something. That's exactly when it was. Come on, man. And I met, and I met Bo before the game.

It was Bo just before he passed. Was at that. But yes, I did stand.

That was the last time I ever attempted to do that. But as you know, I can't really say no to a Michigan football coach. And that's what Lloyd asked me to do. And I'm like, you really want me to do it? And he said, yep. So I did it. Oh my gosh. It's funny. You're obviously you've got a sharp brain.

That's for darn sure. Greg Harden is here on the Rich Eisen Show and we're talking about his new book back here on the Rich Eisen Show, Roku Channel live stream, along with what we're talking about on the radio, the author of Stay Sane in an Insane World, How to Control the Controllables and Thrive. Greg Harden here on the Rich Eisen Show and I say go blue to you, sir, to kick things off. Go blue. How did you wind up on the campus of the University of Michigan? I was minding my own business, working as a clinical therapist at a hospital called Byer Memorial Hospital in Ypsilanti, Michigan. Right down the road.

And- Washtenaw County. Yes, sir. Yes. And I got a call from a physician asking me if I would come and do a speech on alcohol and drugs for the team. And I said, oh, thank you for calling, but no, no, thank you. So why is that? And I shared with him that you're asking me to do a 20, 40 minute rah rah, we love you, just say no speech to the team so you can mark a box.

I say, I don't know, that doesn't work and I don't do it. He says, yeah, but it's Michigan. Yeah, I love Michigan. But it's Michigan football. I love Michigan football. But no, thank you. I appreciate it. I can give you the names of some people who might be eager and willing.

No one says no to Michigan football. So he goes back and shares with his boss. His boss happens to be Shembekler and Shembekler says, who is this guy? I want to meet him. Well, I'm young and dumb at the time and I said, hell, I want to meet him.

And I got 21 questions for him. Because if you're talking about preventing and dealing with the issue of alcohol and drugs, then the speech, here's a hand. This is the whole program. This is the speech. And if you can't tell me what would happen if a kid raised his hand after this fantastic speech and said, oh, my God, I need help, what would happen? So I'll be coming in to ask you and not only do I want to have Shembekler there, I don't know at the time, Rich, I set up a kangaroo court for myself and said, not only do I want Shembekler there, I want the head trainer, I want the sport administrator, I want the medical team, I want everyone there that has to make a decision about what would happen to this kid if he were to raise his hand. I said, all right, I'll walk in, of course, I have this brother from Detroit in there, of course, about eight of the oldest white men you ever saw in your life sitting in this room in Ann Arbor. And the guy introduced me and says, my God, Greg Harden, this is Shembekler, Shembekler, this is the guy I was telling you about. And Shembekler looks at me and says, go.

That's what he says. But I came to ask you questions, he says, tell me about your program. Well, needless to say, I had to tell him about what I would do if I were in his shoes. And did he hire you in that meeting or did you agree to be hired in that meeting? Well, after I got through sharing with him how I would approach it, and of course I was eager and enthusiastic, and I said, I need six sessions, and then he laughed and he says, I'll give you three.

You'll give me three sessions? With the player you're talking about? With all the players. With all of them. And I get to break them up into smaller groups instead of talking to 140 people about this is what a drug, no.

I said, we'll break it down, we'll break them into units, and we'll separate, but each one will get at least three sessions to look at the impact on the individual, on the community, and on the team. And is that where you met Jim Harbaugh for the first time? That's the first time I ever met Jim Harbaugh.

Okay. Jim Harbaugh, I think, was a senior. It was 1986. That was a freshman on campus, he was a senior quarterback. What was your psychological evaluation of Jim Harbaugh from first meeting him, Greg? I thought he was a unique individual, especially when he announced clearly and distinctly what was going to happen at the Ohio State game. Right. Yeah, and that's when, you know, it was pretty clear to me that his confidence was not an issue.

No, I know. And then I just remember on my tenure there on campus, it basically started with, you know, the Harbaugh quarterback team and ended with Bowe's final season. Did he reach out to you in his final season to talk about his retirement process or were you just to surprise anybody? You were a journalist working for the Daily. I was.

I was. I covered Bowe's final season, and I remember the Ohio State week, he was more chill than any of the previous weeks, and a bunch of the reporters who were, you know, hard-bitten reporters who covered the team were wondering something's, like, what's going on? Because he was really, he wanted to have story time before the Ohio State week. I remember he pulled everyone aside, away from the lunch table at Weber's Inn, which is where he would always have his media sessions, and he held it, like, right near a fireplace, sitting in a chair, and just everybody sitting around, and he just wanted to tell stories. And he, you know, they beat Ohio State, and then he announced he was retiring.

Man. Did that surprise you too, or did he reach out to you during that process? At that point, I was just fascinated by being connected to Michigan football, but Jim, Jim was just a guy that you were just fascinated with, and he was a huge personality, and, but he was focused like a laser beam on the task at hand. He still is.

He still is. Greg Harden here on the Rich Eisen Show. Desmond Howard loves you, Greg.

I mean, you know that. I tried to get him to call in to surprise you during this interview, and he was shooting a commercial because he's Desmond Howard. He's probably in the Heisman House right now. Is that your guest, Chris? That would be my best guest, Heisman House.

So he loves you. He called you the secret sauce, as you know. That's the famous phrase that you are, and again, Tom Brady wrote the foreword for this book. You've also helped counsel Michigan athletes named Charles Woodson and Michael Phelps. So what is the through line that you have found between these four athletes, just in particular that are, this audience might be very obviously very familiar with their work and might be unfamiliar with your work with them?

Well, in the book that I wrote, we tell stories, and the book is not about Michigan. Let's make it crystal clear. This book is about human behavior, human attitudes, and self-mastery.

That's where we're trying to go. So when you ask that question, it opens up the door to what's the difference between these characters that you described who are high-performance, peak performers, and the rest of us. Well, hungry is the first word that has to come out of your mouth, but then you add hungry and humble. That's what makes them different. These guys are hungrier than everybody you know, and they want it.

They want it desperately. But they were humble enough to be coachable. That's what makes you coachable. Some humility where you can, where the ego can be surrendered and allow someone else to give you advice, input, support, boom, boom, boom. Asking for help.

That's not what the average person does. And Desmond Howard, Desmond Howard isn't sent into my office because he's in trouble or creating any problems. He raises his hand and says, can we talk? I said, okay, we can talk. Desmond Howard studied me for a year and a half before he even talked to me.

Is that right? Man, that's the most fascinating story I ever get to tell. Desmond approaches me after a summer camp. I just got through speaking to 900 high schoolers or something, and he pulls me aside and says, can we talk?

I said, sure. And he's telling me how he's not happy. He's telling me how, you know, this opportunity isn't working out the way he thought it would and that he was a running back in high school and now they're making him a wide receiver.

They're not even playing him. And, you know, he's got people interested elsewhere. I said, oh, so you're looking for a geographical cure.

What? I said, so you think that the guys that are recruiting you, like we recruited you, are going to like, what, be different from the guys here, from the coaches here? I said, well, I'll tell you what, Des, I don't know you. And if you say you were that guy in high school, I believe you, this ain't high school. Nobody cares if you leave. You haven't done anything.

So it's like, I think it's like July. So if you're going somewhere else, there are no scholarships, your timing is really whacked out. In addition to that, if you're serious, you need to demonstrate that you are the guy that's all good. You are the guy that you say you are here. Well, it just sounds like as well, Greg Harden here on The Rich Eisen Show hearing this story, and obviously we know Brady's journey, and I want to get on that in a second, Charles Woodson sat in that chair and told me how uncoachable he really was and how he had to apologize to Lloyd Carr in order to get back on the field in time for an Ohio State game. He told that whole story and how his mother told him, you go apologize to Lloyd when he refused to apologize to Lloyd. And were you the one who put him on the phone with his mother or that was his position coach who did that? No. Because that was his position coach, right?

Position coach. So what I'm saying is that it sounds like, do you have to allow yourself to be humbled if you're not humbled? If it's not your nature, if it's not, in order to go to the next level for anyone that's listening to go to the next level, you have to take your humility pills twice a day and turn yourself into someone who is so hungry that you know how to arrest your own ego, how to make your ego your ally instead of your enemy and ask your ego, what do we have to do differently? And your ego say, well, the only thing I got for you is like, you need to talk to somebody. So being able to talk to somebody, Charles was the most, out of all the athletes I've worked with, the best athlete I've ever seen in my life is Charles Woodson.

I like the gulp you just did too. Bruh. Charles Woodson, I'd be on the 50 yard line sitting, you know, just chilling and they come out at halftime.

I think it was Iowa. We're getting beaten by Iowa. I mean, it's an ugly game. Charles Woodson walks past me and says, gee, we got this.

Gee, we got this. But it's Charles. But this ain't basketball. You can't like go out and score 20 points.

I mean, you're on defense. The look in his face, body language, the whole nine yards says, we're not losing this game. Who can decide at a football game on defense that we're not going to lose the game? Charles Woodson. Charles Woodson.

Right. But like I said, he seemed to be wanting, he had to be humbled. And then he said, like, the rest was history once he did play in that game against Ohio State, that he apologized to Lloyd, you know, took the hard coaching whether he thought it was warranted or not. I got Greg Harden here on the Rich Eisen Show. So were you there when Brady was going through the Drew Henson stuff?

That is the beginning of a journey where, and were you counseling him when he was going through that? The best thing that ever happened to Tom Brady was Drew Henson. Why is that? Because it became clear to him that, I tell you this, so Sports Illustrated called me one time and says, we're doing a story with Drew Henson. Drew Henson is one of the greatest kids you ever meet in your life. No doubt. Insanely talented at the prep level in Michigan.

He did everything. And he says, and they say, we want to talk to you about Tom Brady and Drew Henson. I said, I'm still working at Michigan.

So clearly you're not thinking this through. Right. Sure, like, I will not be talking about that.

But I tell you what, you can quote me on this. Drew Henson was Superman. Tom Brady was Batman. Batman always thinks he can whip Superman's ass.

Do you understand? He always got a little kryptonite in his pouch. So the work that we had to do, why was Tom Brady drafted a hundred and ninety ninth pick? Well, if he's that good, why is he sharing the limelight with a freshman? If I'm a scout, if I'm the general manager, I'm saying, yeah, OK, he's nice, but he had to share his senior year with another guy and he must not be that good. But the mindset of a Tom Brady is the only thing that got him through all of that.

He was heartbroken, overwhelmed by all of this. And you'll hear me say it and you've heard me say it before. When Tom Brady was in my office, I shared with anyone I worked with. You come in my office, you can cry, you can complain, you can do whatever you need to do. You can vent.

But when you walk out this office, nobody sees you sweating. You walk in and you take charge and be in control of what you can control. You can't control how these coaches are making decisions.

That's not your role. Your role is to be consistent, single most important word in sports, consistency. If I asked you the single most important word in sports to anyone in this room, they would say A, B, C or D. But if they don't understand consistency, everywhere they come up with, we can put consistently win, consistently boom, boom, boom. Brady is the king of consistency. It's just that he was consistent at the most insanely high level that we've maybe seen on a football field, and I know I'm talking about Jerry Rice and Jim Brown here too, okay? I know.

I know. He's in that pantheon. He's placed himself in that pantheon, but once upon a time, he was a kid coming into your office saying, why do I gotta share time? So when you said the best thing to happen to Tom Brady is Drew Henson, why do you say that?

Because it triggered and took it to the whole other level. His mental game is the game. The mental game is the game for anyone that's listening, anyone that wants to read this book. It's a game of mastery is what I teach. I can't teach Tom Brady how to do anything on the football field except master his own mind, be that guy who is committed to leading as best he can of the men, you understand?

And so he trained himself to be so disciplined that no matter what happened, no matter what the decision the coaches made, he was going to be steadfast in his quest to be the best. So when you see him trotting on the field for Drew Bledsoe, and you see the conversation when Bledsoe was coming back that Belichick was like, what do I do? Do I go with Brady? Do I go with Bledsoe? And then that happened again after the AFC Championship game that Bledsoe won while Brady got hurt. What were you thinking? Were you sitting there, Greg Hartman?

I'm thinking they have no idea what they're about to get. But most of, let's go all the way to recent current time. Please. You know 28 to 3 at halftime in the Super Bowl. Wait a minute, 20, in the Super Bowl, two best teams in the world. Now you know 28 to 3 at halftime in the Super Bowl, it really is over. And you know you're only watching because you love Michigan and you love Tom Brady and you got to respect.

Well he's a Patriot fan over there, so I'm sure you're very invested in what the story's about to unfold here, Chris. But just think about it, it's 28 to 3. It's over. All they have to do is be consistent, but they weren't. They had decided it was over too.

The team they were playing had decided it's Judd. And Brady is sitting on the sideline, towel over his head, anticipating, I'm going to get back in the game. At no point is he thinking it's over. At no point can his mind comprehend the loss, until it's a loss, it ain't a loss to him. This guy is determined to give you 100%, 100% of the time, win, lose, or draw. That's the most important lesson I've taught anyone that'll listen to me. What we talked about in my office when Tom Brady was coming to see me is to give 100%, 100% of the time.

That's the toughest lesson I'm going to give you. But wait a minute, win, lose, or draw. Yeah, until you understand win, lose, or draw, and you have seen him lose a game, but you never saw him quit, never. So again, just to put a fine point on this, did you save Brady from quitting, essentially?

Or help save, obviously he's got to make the decision himself, Greg. Check him out. What? You know that. You know me.

You already know me. I'm not gonna say I saved Brady. I'm not gonna say that, but you helped. But you helped.

Bruh, you know, we're not allowing anybody. My self-worth and self-esteem is not based on your decision making. How I feel about me is what I'm teaching. You've got to decide, once you can teach a person, if I can teach Rich Isaac, you've got to decide with or without this environment, your life is going to be amazing. How do you tell a 19-year-old, Tom Brady, you've got to decide with or without football, your life is going to be amazing?

Once you make that decision, football becomes what you do, not who you are. And I understand I put myself in a position of interviewing you, putting you in a position where you would take credit for something, and I know that was a mistake. So I'm going to come in a different direction. Yes, sir. So what Brady became, was there a part of a moment in your office where it could have gone in a different direction if he didn't find that reserve himself?

Absolutely. Tom allowed me to convince him that his limitations are self-imposed, and you must stop putting limitations on yourself. He allowed me to talk about self-mastery and being so confident and so comfortable in the skin you're in that you'll never roll over because somebody else doesn't believe in you. And so he walks in my office and says, hey, I want to be the starting quarterback. He's just lost 25 pounds from acute appendicitis in an emergency operation.

He now looks even worse than he did two months ago. And I'm straightforward. I said, Tom, I can't help you be the starting quarterback, but I can help you understand if nobody else believes in your ass, you'll believe. He said, let's start there.

Greg Harden, Stay Sane in an Insane World, How to Control the Controllables and Thrive a Forward by the aforementioned Tom Brady. You can get this book August 15th, but pre-order. Go ahead and do that.

It is worth your time and it'll help you if it's something that you feel you need help on. Greg, let's do this more often whenever you're in Los Angeles, you've got a spot here. Look, I'm so excited to have a chance to talk to you. I've watched your whole career. I've watched you ebb and flow and grow and grow and grow, get bigger and bigger. But in all sincerity, I appreciate this time and this opportunity and I hope that we meet again. Well, we certainly will. And thanks for everything that you've done, you know, for Michigan and for the most importantly, the kids that you've seen in all the sports at the university for and I'm glad you took that meeting with Bo there from Ypsilanti going up the road. Thank you, sir. You bet.

Greg Harden, everybody check out Stay Sane in an Insane World. August 15th is when it's available, but go ahead and preorder it right now. We're back to wrap up the show in a moment. Are you currently enjoying the show on the Stitcher app?

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So switch to another podcast app and follow this show there, Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen. It was 96 and it was the week before the Michigan Ohio State game. You know, I got to practice. I wasn't feeling well. My back was a little tight and I told the trainer, you know, my back is not feeling right. He was like, Oh, you know what? Don't worry about it. So, you know, we're in practice and he calls me over a couple of times. Coach Carr. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, he was like, you know, you're not paying attention. He said, Hey, if you're not going to pay attention, then you can just leave. And I turned around, I walked out the field, walked into the locker room, put my clothes back on.

I walked to the dorm and I was like, man, I'm transferring. I'm out of here. You walked out on coach Carr and Michigan practice Ohio State week saying I'm leaving.

I'm gone, going to coach Carr's office. You know, he asked me a question. He's like, you think you justified yourself by walking off the field? And I was like, yeah, I was like, I don't, I don't think you had to make an example out of me. He was like, you know what?

You're not playing this week. I walked back down to Vance Bedford's office and was like, I told you, just go down there and just apologize. You know what? Picks up the phone. I don't know what he's doing. Miss Woodson, I told this boy to go down there and apologize. And that's all he had to do here.

You talk to him. So I'm talking to my mom. She was like, what's the, what's the problem? Like, you know, coach mom, you know, my coach wants me to go down there or go down there and apologize. I'm like, I'm not apologizing. She was like, Charles, she said, I understand. I know, I know you're mad and you're angry. She said, if you're not going to apologize for yourself, then do it for me. Oh boy, come on, man. So I said, okay, I get up, I go down, get it from mom.

I did it for mom, man. Apologize to coach. He said, well, you know what? Good Charles.

You're playing this week. Oh yeah. Love it when we can connect stories from guest to guest years later, back here on the rich eyes and show.

That was, that was great. Yeah. All right.

Let's take a photograph of the man who set Tom Brady on the path of giving a hundred percent, a hundred percent of the time. I didn't, but he recognized me from when we were, he said he recognized your head, which I'll be honest. It's not a compliment. Uh, do you have a top five list you want to do? I do. All right. Let's sneak it in here.

Chris Brockman's got a top five list. What is it about? Okay. So this was for Monday in case you didn't make it back from the East coast of time.

This was a kind of a segment filler. It was, this is the top five things I'm looking forward to before NFL training camp kicks off. Okay. So here we go. All the camps kind of kick off next week.

This is kind of what we're looking forward to before. Number five. Thank you, Jay. Number five, the open championship, big golf fan of the championship gets underway, uh, tonight.

Yes, it does. Uh, early morning on the East coast, uh, over there across the pond. Looking forward to watching that all hours of the day. Hopefully Rory can get number five. Number four, looking forward to seeing mission impossible, uh, dead reckoning.

Part one. I've already seen it. We've already seen the, some of the clips have gone viral the last few months of Tom Cruz doing these stunts. It's amazing. The man has a death wish.

He is our greatest movie star of all time. I cannot wait to see this. I must tell you, it is incredible. I've seen it. I have seen it. Two and a half hours. It's like doing the cardio.

It's two hours and 40 something minutes and it felt like 10 it's that good. Cannot wait. Number three. We've got Ellie Dela Cruz fever here.

Rich. Yes. The Reds are playing at the Dodgers next weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, uh, at Dodger stadium. I will be there for one of those days. I am really looking forward to seeing this guy in person. Okay.

Although he's in the, he's only got a one for 17th up or something right now, but not here to there. Not to pick nits, but that is during training camp. But I understand. I'm excited. Thank you. Number two.

Yes. Playing lots of golf. I'm out three days next week to start Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, celebrating the birthday up north.

Northern California can be playing a lot of golf. Very diverse group. I'm down to, this is my crew from the Kevin Rahm Invitational, it's all grass. Love those guys. That was my crew. Not exclusive. Joe Haden was there. That's the one, by the way, be careful talking about that stuff because you're technically on strike as an actor.

Right? It's true. So you have to watch out. I don't have a SAG card yet. Okay. I technically not on strike.

Number one, rich. Yes. The burger draft is back. It's been a four year hiatus. The last burger draft took place in 2019, obviously COVID in 2020, 2021, 2022.

We couldn't get together. The burger draft is back. It's tomorrow night at 26 beach in Venice.

It's back. Get ready people. Maybe I'll live stream.

Maybe we'll, you know, we'll hit it up a little. We'll FaceTime your rich. Cause I know you're, you're sad. You can't be attending. No, you haven't invited me. You didn't invite me. You didn't invite me. You want to go?

No, no, but congratulations. The burger draft is back. Okay. That's my top five. Those people who don't, you could, the burger draft needs no music.

It deserves no music. The burger draft is an institution in Southern California is, is you go to this beautiful, this burger joint that has many different hamburgers, like 40 different types of burgers. So I would, if you invited me, Hey, let's go and have burgers at this place. I'd be like, great, but I, I don't get to order the burger that I want. You get to order a burger draft, a burger depends where you are.

Exactly. It's like, it's like an act, a fantasy draft for burgers. So I might wind up getting my eighth or ninth choice of burger because of a draft order and a cockamamie construct about eating burgers. You can make trades. People do make quarter burger trades. Or I could just go to a spot with a menu and order what I want and radically come up with the idea of eating it.

That sounds kind of crazy. They are not serious people. You're looking too deep into this.

No, I'm not. It's a night of camaraderie. I'm a man with little time to spare because I've got too much stuff going on and a red meat sort of, I can't have it too often. So I'm going to have it, I'm going to have what I want, not my seventh choice because some schmohawk that you're friends with had a draft order in front of me to eat the burger I want. The burger draft is back people. Get ready, get ready, get excited.

We're going to discuss it even more. Look at these people. I don't want to hang out with any of them.

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