REShow: Mike Florio - Hour 1

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Smart enough to have us. We're here. Sirius XM, Odyssey, and more. I'm gonna switch things up today. I'm gonna switch things up today. I'm gonna say hello to you first, Chris, as I always do. Hey Rich, what's up?

Chris Brockham, good to see you. And I'll say hi to you next, TJ Jefferson. Normally I go, you know, I just go around the room. I go left to right. Well, hello there.

You know, the only week plus I didn't go left to right was when I was in Israel. So, good to see you, TJ Jefferson. Candles already lit. Good to see you. Let's do this. I'm going last to Mike Del Tufo because I'm gonna tell you something. I thought I was on the Pay No Minus. No, no, no, no. You're on the pay attention list, as you know, every single day here. I'm trying to get better.

No, no, no. Mike, what you're doing today, I think everyone at home should know, or listening wherever you are, should know. Mike is locked in today in a way that it's very difficult to lock him in. And it's not because his internet's down or his phone's not working or he's not checking his emails. He's all about the Sabalenka right now. And I mean, if anybody who's on watching the Roku channel right now, Mike is just, he's looking at the 10 o'clock position in his world where the television set is.

And honestly, Irena Sabalenka is playing tennis right now. And do you want quiet? Do you need to focus? Because I can't, you know, I have to talk. It's radio, it's streaming, it's television.

Multimedia. Do you want to give us the update? I will give you, it's second, we're there in our third set. Thank you. 0-0, 15-15. Love, love, 15-all. Yeah, I can't go on the tennis match. I can mix it.

I don't think people understand. Mike was literally giving commentary of the match while we were getting ready. I love tennis. And I looked up, I was like, is Mike actually talking to anybody?

Everyone else is in a convo and he's early commentating. He's saying he loves tennis. He's saying he loves tennis, but I think he loves, I think he loves Belarus more right now. It kind of seemed that way this morning. Mike's never been more into Belarus than I've ever seen before.

So it's not a metaphor for anything. Hey, this is what happens when the only sports you're talking about is what's going on in Wimbledon and what the Espys did last night. That's where we're at right now. That's why they moved the Espys, by the way. Espys used to be in February. Back when folks like myself were sitting in the Radio City Music Hall rafters. When you got an invite? Yeah.

Well, I mean, please. I was only there in years, what, three through 10 of the Espys. Back when they were begging people like LeBron James to show up and give news to everybody that he's coming back. Was that news? What are we talking about? We'll talk about that on the show today. But we've got Austin Eckler on this program in hour number three. And we are at the crossroads. We're in the 90 hour TikTok right now for Saquon Barkley and the Giants and Josh Jacobs and the Raiders to come to some form of an agreement.

Because Monday is the deadline for franchise tagged players to sign long term deals or play on the franchise tag or hold out, remove their services from the teams. And this is we're at the crossroads of running backs in this league who you draft in your first round of your fantasy line. Very high. You draft Austin Eckler. You draft Saquon Barkley. You draft Josh Jacobs. You draft Derrick Henry. You draft Christian McCaffrey. I mean, these are the first players that go off the board.

But that's your fantasy in reality football. These players are sure they're sure they're important, but they're also a word that a big word alert. Big word alert.

Just giving you the heads up in advance. Fungible. Fungible. National Fungible League. That's what it is for running backs right now. Chris, look it up. I know you're doing it right now. Yeah.

Fungible. Running backs. Whatever. You're great. We appreciate you. You score a lot of touchdowns. You're winning fantasy leagues for people. But right here, you're helping us win our division, winning games. You're crucial to us.

But when it comes time to pay you, we're not paying you. It's an adjective, Rich. Replaceable by another identical item.

Mutually interchangeable. And the other identical item is somebody like, say, Isaiah Pacheco. We keep bringing him up as the example. The Kansas City Chief rookie, seventh round draft choice out of Rutgers. Yeah, Brock Purdy wasn't the only seventh round draft choice who was turning heads last year. He plays quarterback for the 49ers, and he happened to do what he did for a team with a ton of Super Bowl hopes.

So he got all the attention. Isaiah Pacheco, seventh round choice out of Rutgers. He was the Chiefs leading rusher, 830 yards rushing, and he scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl.

And the Chiefs won it all. And so why do you need to pay somebody like Barkley all that money? Why do you need to keep someone like Dalvin Cook when you can release him and play Alexander Madison instead? Why do you need to do that in the NFL? And I don't understand why running backs are viewed that way and wide receivers aren't. Other position players aren't.

Wide receivers, what are you hearing like CeeDee Lamb? Is he going to get 20 million a year? Is that what's going to happen? 25 a year, right?

Isn't that the rumor? That Jerry's going to pizay him to the tune of 20 to 25 million dollars a year? And I understand he takes the top of defenses off, but you can remove him from a game defensively, and then all of a sudden you need to have somebody like say Tony Pollard come in and home run hit when he receives the ball five yards behind the line of scrimmage. He can do that. He can.

And those are the difference makers. Honestly, you take a look at the top touchdown makers of last season. Eckler leads it at 18.

Jamal Williams had 17 for the lines. They let him walk. They're going to go with, you know, DeAndre Swift is gone too. They're going to go with Montgomery. They're going with David Montgomery. They're going with a bunch of, you know, Jamir Gibbs. They drafted him in the first round, and he's going to hopefully have a great first contract for the Lions. He better, because guess what he's not going to get?

A second one to the tune of what he wants. That's what Saquon Barkley's trying to get right now. And according to Diana Russini, our friend from the worldwide leader in sports, his franchise tag, $10.9 million. He apparently wants McCaffrey money. The reports out there that he turned down $13 million a year, right?

That's the report, $26 guaranteed. And he responds on Twitter with two blue caps. Now I texted you folks.

Our text exchange really should be publicized. It's because you weren't answering my question. I understand that these emojis mean, this is for gazie. I get it. I get it.

The last time you said no, what does it mean? I finally got, I was like, Oh, why do do two blue caps indicate this? Like a horse and a poop emoji would be more understandable bowl and a poop emoji. Yeah.

Right, right, right. What can somebody tell me why two blue caps mean that doesn't DJ compute anybody take it away. Well, I mean, it's one of these, you know, goes back to rap. Somebody said cap, but you're asking what at the end. I was like, are you asking what about it is he saying is a lie?

No. Why does the actual cap mean? Why do two blue caps indicate it's a phrase, no cap means, you know, no, no BS, but Oh, you're capping right now. That means you're just, you don't really believe what you're saying. Thank you.

Thank you. Was that difficult to express in our text? I'm like, what does this mean? It means he doesn't think it's true.

You know, that's, that's BS. I get it. What does that? What are those emoji means?

It means this isn't true. I'm like, I get that. I understand. It's like that taxi episode, right?

What does the yellow light mean? Slow down. What does no, I get it. I get it. The two blue caps.

Cat. So I don't, I don't know why the giants won't pay him. Wow. You know why? Because if he's going to hold out week one against Dallas, do you know what's going to happen that night against Dallas that they're going to get smoked? Do you know if I'm a Dallas Cowboys, if I'm the Dallas Cowboys, I am going to spend the next 90 hours with some psyops operation, calling up as many people as possible to say, I don't know what's going on with the giants and say, Quan, I think he's going to hold out. I think this is a problem. I don't think the giants like him. I'm just going to just all takes is one week.

I don't care one week, please, please do not play week one. And that's the answer here is that you know what? Some running backs in this league are worth it.

I actually said those words. They're actually worth it because it works on so many levels. When you pay somebody like Saquon Barkley, this money, and you're paying your quarterback 40 million a year, you can pay your running back 16 million. And you're like, well, that's an incredible amount.

That's a lot of money that breaks the market that breaks. Yeah, you know what Saquon Barkley does when he's healthy? I get it. He breaks the backs of your opponent. He breaks the will of your opponent. He also is a guy in the locker room who will walk around and say, if you ball out, the giants will pay you. If you do what we know Saquon does off the field, giants don't need to know this. John Marrow doesn't need to know this. Steve Tisch doesn't need to know this.

The whole front office knows it. You're not going to get that 2 a.m. phone call about him ever. You're going to get touchdowns.

You're going to get moments that I get. He did not answer the bell physically for his entirety of his first year of his contract. Neither did McCaffrey.

Some guys are worth it. I don't understand it. Derek Henry scored 14 touchdowns last year. McCaffrey 13. Chubb 13.

Hurts 13. Zeke 12. 12. Pollard 12. Jacobs 12. Miles Sanders 12. Jerick McKinnon 10. Dalvin Cook 10. Saquon 10. Najee Harris 10. Now Devante Adams led pass catchers with 14.

By the way, Hurts scored 13 times as I mentioned. Kelsey 12. Diggs 11. Kittle 11. And Devante Adams is worth every penny that he gets.

Obviously Kelsey is off the charts valuable. 12. These guys scored more.

These guys scored more and half the time they arrested the 11 guys on the other side know that this guy's going to get it. No cap. That's it. I'm not cap. Am I capping now or am I no capping now?

Please help me out. No cap. Blue hat.

You ain't lying. I don't understand it. And I know the Giants got to pay other people. I got to pay this guy, that guy.

There's only a certain amount of money left and do a better job of paying the other people. Why are you holding it on Saquon? Come on. Week one. Week one without him.

Week one without him. Sit out. But exactly. He should take a stand, Rich, on behalf of all of you guys.

Go for it, TJ. What should Saquon do, TJ? From the cowboy perspective. Not just from a human perspective, Rich. The human fund.

The human fund. And I feel like maybe we should start one for these running backs who are being unjustly withheld their funds. Yes.

And I agree with you. So Saquon should take a stand and sit out a few weeks, but definitely sit out week one. Yeah. And then week two. Week two. And reevaluate.

Yeah. Because you still got to eat. But I'm saying week one, I definitely not.

Stay home. What happened when Emmett sat out for the first two weeks of a season over a contract dispute? Well, the Cowboys went 0-2. And then what'd they do when he came back? They won, um, the last game. Pretty much damn near every, every, and by the way, almost every game in between. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't see that for the Giants. Some guys are worth it at the position.

Some guys are worth it at the position. I'm capin' and no cappin'. At the same time. Did I get that right? Thank you.

I feel great about myself. Jim Jackson's going to join us hour two to talk association. Austin Eckler, hour number three. Obviously this is going to be the conversation we're going to have with him. Mike Florio is going to join us next. Is the sale of the commanders in doubt because of what's going on with Dan Snyder and emails and all of that business from a couple of years ago that cost Gruden his gig? Oh man. Mike Florio is next.

There's you at 844-204, rich number to dial. Happy birthday to Harrison Ford. Snubbed by the Emmy voters yesterday. Unbelievable.

Not just 1923, but shrinking. He is brilliant in that show. There's been so many great shows last year. I know somebody who's getting left out. Harrison Ford. Why does he get left out? I don't know. What's going on?

Add an extra nominee. What are we going to do here? Who cares? All right.

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That's when we'll bring in our friend Mike Florio. How's Sabalenka doing, Mike? Three, two. Jaboor is up. Who's up? Who's up? Mike, let me handle this.

No, no, no, no. It's better if he handles it. He's the one who's locked in on Sabalenka. Mike, what's happening? It's 40 love, three, two, third set. It's not. It's 40-40. It's Deuce.

Oh, that's loud. Okay. I don't know. 40.

It's not 40-40. It's called Deuce. See, I have no idea. I don't. I could mix it. I can't. Sorry. Add out. Thanks. Sabalenka on serve.

Add out. Down three, two in the third set. Brockwood and I both have been to Forest Hills and seen the U.S. Open. He actually worked it. I watched it. I've called tennis. And you've called it.

Exactly. You guys. Rich and I were technically coworkers. We were. You were working on USA with Barkan, right?

When I was doing the CBS coverage. Michael Barkan, who is just a delightful human. Delightful human. Very fun. We had a great time.

I was probably the highlight of which was when we got to interview Anna Kournikova that year. Yes. And it was great. Ridiculous. You guys, man. It was 2003.

Yeah, that was the height of. I think Sabalenka is Russian for Del Tufo restraining order. Thank you. She needs to win this point here. Yeah. Oh, she's broke. Oh, she did.

I could see this. Yeah. By the way, you're not supposed to talk during a point.

Well, we're just we're not there. I know that. That's true. So that would be breaking news. To see it in this kind of I'm I would not want to call the match from that little like thing. A little booth from a little booth thing. Yeah. It's like on the side.

You're a professional, Mike. I think they call it a gantry in the UK. That's what that's what at least that's what it was called in Wembley when we called the game. It was all four of us in a very tight gantry. Put it that way.

It's not a metaphor for anything. Back here in the Rich Eisen Show. Eight four four two four. Rich is the number to dial. I'm on the Rich Eisen Show radio network at the Rich Eisen Show desk, furnished by Grainger with supplies and solutions for every industry.

Grainger is the right product for you. Call click Grainger dot com or just stop by as our friend Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, NBC Sports and so much more has been kind enough to return. How are you, Michael? What's going on, sir? Doing great, Rich. Doing great. I'm in Hilton Head, South Carolina, for the week, trying not to be eaten by an allocator.

OK, so far I've been successful in that objective. Do you play golf? Do you tee it up? No, no, no. I prefer to enjoy myself.

What does that mean? So you don't find golf relaxing? You don't enjoy?

No, no, no. Golf is something that I am just good enough at to begin to improve when I begin to play and then I get very interested in it and I want to start getting better. So I start thinking about it and practicing, going to the range, getting frustrated when any improvement I think I'm making doesn't manifest itself and then eventually hate everything about it and quit. And then five years later I get sucked into it again. Although I think the last time it happened I swore it off for good. It's just... OK. It just drives me crazy because I want to be better at it than I am and I feel like I should be and the fact that I'm not makes me hate it. So I'd rather just, you know, do nothing and not piss myself off. Well, here we are in that time of year right before training camps are opening up, starting at the end of next week.

But there is a pretty big date on Monday. What is, in your estimation, happening with Saquon Barkley and the Giants right now as we're talking? Well, my understanding is that they tried to get him signed to a long-term deal before applying the franchise tag. What they wanted to do, Rich, was sign him to a long-term deal because he's the proven commodity. Sign him to the long-term deal and tag Daniel Jones.

Kick the can for a year, see if Jones can do a sequel in 2023 to what he did in 2022 and then sign him after that if need be. So they made an offer to Saquon, I'm told, 13 million a year, 26 million guaranteed over the first two years. He wanted 16 million a year, not 13 million a year. Now he has called that cap, as the kids say on Twitter, but the numbers aren't unreasonable.

They're not implausible. It would make sense for the Giants to have offered 13 a year and it would make sense for Barkley to have wanted 16 years. But the Giants message was once we apply the franchise tag, the offer is pulled. Now, good luck holding to that if you're the Giants closer to this deadline on Monday. But that's what happened back in March. Now the question is, when will the Giants put 13 back on the table? Will they add to it? And how much more beyond 13 will be necessary to say it's not a long-term deal?

And after Monday, you can't do a long-term deal. All you can do is a one-year deal and 10.1 million is the franchise tender, although the Giants could, in theory, offer him more than that to get him to show up. So 16 million, what's the significance of that?

Is there a significance? That would make- That's Christian McCaffrey. New money average when he signed his new contract when he was with the Panthers a few years ago. And look, the market has gone down, but the salary cap has gone up. I mean, that is not a number that would reflect any type of greed. I think Barkley's very sensitive to the perception he's being greedy because, you know, fans line up behind the owners. They get mad at the players for wanting more.

But when you're a running back and freaking end on any given play and you're in a position where you can exert leverage, get what you can while you can. 16 is not unreasonable for him to want. And if that's just a negotiating point and you're willing to go down to 14 or 15, but you take 16 to get more than 13, that makes it even more reasonable. So I don't think he ever expected to get 16, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have asked for 16. We reported back in February that Daniel Jones wanted 45 million or more per year. It turns out he wanted 47.

That's what you asked for to get them from the low 30s up to the 40 where it all finally ended. So why isn't 14 and a half something, you know? I mean, I just don't understand.

We've got Austin Eckler coming up in hour number three. And so obviously this news, his story altogether makes that a theme of today's show. If this was a Sesame Street, it would be sponsored by, you know, the market value of running backs right now.

That would be the number. And so I just don't get it. Honestly, I don't get it, man. I mean, these guys are significantly as important on the field as any of these top wide receivers who take defenses apart with their speed and their abilities.

I don't get it, brother. I just don't get it what's happening in the NFL right now. It's about economics, but I know this.

Supply and demand. And there is a greater supply of competent running backs coming out of every major college every year. Every major college has a guy who plays tailback at a high level who could in theory thrive in the NFL.

If you block for him, if he can be taught to hold onto the football when he's attacked, not tackled, but attacked in a way to get him to fumble. And also if you can trust him to pick up backers and defensive backs, he can play running back at the NFL level. There are too many great athletes at the running back position. So what happens is teams draft a guy, chew him up, spit him out and draft somebody else.

That's why the market is where it is. There are too many young running backs where teams can say, we'll go younger, we'll go cheaper, we'll go healthier, and we'll make this guy into a star. And then when the time comes to pay him, we'll just go find somebody else like the Cowboys did when they let the Marco Murray walk away. He set the franchise record for single season rushing yards and his reward was, see you later.

We'll figure something else out. And they ended up getting the guy from Arkansas, Darren McFadden, who had a thousand rushing yards in the bridge here between DeMarco Murray and Ezekiel Elliott. So there's just too many running backs out there. And I think this goes back to something Ben Tate, former Auburn running back, who was drafted, I think, around two or three by the Texans. He said at one point, if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't have played running back. So the message out there for the young running backs, the young athletes who are dominant at the youth football level, so the coaches just give the football to them and say run circles around everyone else, they need to resist being pigeonholed as running backs and get themselves into other positions that will have longer career, less wear and tear, and more money. I mean, the Cowboys are rooting to see Matt Breida start week one, that's for damn sure.

You know, who's right behind Saquon on the depth chart. Do you think he would hold out or do you, I mean, look, you know how this works. It ain't midnight yet. Midnight's coming up on Monday and you even said that the Giants could throw some more money at him to make sure he reports or that's over the weekend, right? Or Monday is Monday.

That's it. Here's the problem with Monday. The Monday deadline, after that, you can't sign and do a multi-year deal. So whatever leverage he has isn't going to lead to what he wants. His leverage is I'm not showing up for training camp, I'm not showing up for week one, I'm not showing up for week two, and if it works, what are they going to do? It's too late to do the long-term deal.

That rule hurts the player because it cuts off the ability to get what you're trying to achieve by using your leverage. You can't do the long-term deal. They put offering more money, that's never been done for anyone under the franchise tag. What I've seen in the past with Lance Briggs and Albert Haynesworth years ago, you put in a term saying basically we won't franchise tag you next year if you reach certain performance levels. So then the guy has an incentive, he signs the one-year deal and potentially gets to walk away after that year.

So they could do that. But yeah, the deadline is Monday for the multi-year deal, the long-term security he wants. So now it's the time for him to huff and puff. There's no house to be blown down until week one, but this artificial arbitrary rule only gives him until Monday to get their attention on what he wants on the long-term deal. Well and of course he plays for the Giants in the Northeast and Saquon is Saquon and lost I guess in that shuffle as Josh Jacobs in the same boat with the Raiders and he was the leading rusher of the entire league last year.

So is that in the same dumpster right now that's on fire? There might be but not as much noise and I think the Raiders less inclined to do the long-term deal. Pay the 10-1, have him be your guy again for another year, let him go do his thing. You know there was a thought when Josh McDaniels became the head coach that what we would see from the Raiders is what we've seen from the Patriots where you've got multiple running backs, who gets the ball, who's involved in the offense is driven by game plan and defense and not hey we've just got a workhorse that we're going to use over and over again. I won't be surprised if they don't do a long-term deal and intend to keep them for one more year and hey Rich, once Donovan Cook became available I threw out the idea that maybe Josh Jacobs should do what Tony Pollard did and accept that 10.1 million because until you accept it, the team can yank it like Josh Norman found out a few years ago and they can just go sign Dalvin Cook for one year. All right Josh Jacobs wants 10-1, well we can get Dalvin Cook for eight or nine. Let's just do that for one year if we're only going to keep Josh Jacobs for one more year anyway. That's in theory something that could be done and I think that Jacobs should be far more nervous about that than Barkley. I can't imagine the Giants doing that with Barkley, but it wouldn't shock me if the Raiders did it with Josh Jacobs. Wow, where do you think, is that part of the reason why Cook hasn't jumped at whatever offers reportedly on the table from Miami or just it makes no sense to do that right now?

What do you think? I think Cook and DeAndre Hopkins, the two big name free agents are both doing the same thing, they're just waiting. There's no rush to do anything now, no one has made them an offer that they can't or won't refuse, so let's just wait and see what happens. Whether it's into training camp, whether it's right when training camp starts, whenever it may be. I mean at some point you got to show up and practice to get yourself ready, but they both got the luxury of time and you can't.

I mean I wouldn't rule out that possibility. You know the Bengals if they wanted to and I don't think this has started yet, but the Bengals wanted to. If they're trying to squeeze Joe Mixon to take less, they could start flirting with Dalvin Cook and say, hey Joe you don't want to take less.

We'll give the reduced offer that we would otherwise give to you to Dalvin Cook and we'll just swap out Dalvin Cook for Joe Mixon. So I mean ask the other problem with the running back tradition, it's interchangeable parts. There's too many guys out there that can play at a high level, rookies and veterans.

It gets back to why they struggle to get the value that they truly bring to the table. So is just the fact that running back might be, I'll use the word easier, easier to succeed at, easier to learn a playbook, easier to see the hole and be patient, then I guess it's more skilled to play receiver and quarterback and left tackle and more skilled that you can't find the young kids to blossom and succeed so quickly in the draft that the running back position, is that the issue here? Like just putting it all together, that that's why running backs are more replaceable, fungible, however you want to put it and we're in this position with guys who are absolutely one of your first round draft selections in your fantasy league but in the NFL it's just like okay Mixon you're out, Cook you're in, Cook you're out, Madison you're in, Eckler you can go seek a trade if you want and if not we'll just flip you a few more bucks and you can come back. Is that the reason why we're in the position?

That's basically it. I mean the skills are more rare at quarterback. Obviously there aren't enough good quarterbacks to go around, hell there aren't enough bad quarterbacks to go around. Receiver is kind of becoming like running back because all those seven on seven camps that are done at high school and college level, you've got all those quarterbacks throwing all those passes, guys are catching them, they're running routes and they're catching them, they're getting better so we're seeing more and more successful receivers come out and it could go the way of the running back at some point but at least and see this is one of the arguments that I know we focus so much on the passing game so the guys part of the passing game get paid more but a running back a good running back still affects the team more than a good receiver does, touching the ball more often especially if he's involved in the passing game but it's that simple so the best athletes should be playing a different position. When Jim Brown died I had this thought what if there was another talent like Jim Brown who was just great at everything he did lacrosse, football, anything, everything would he be a running back or would he be a quarterback in today's NFL? Again the way the game is gone you take that great you just give him the ball and pop Warner and say go you get him to a different position because that greatness can manifest itself in a more rare skill set that you develop over time and you play in the NFL for 15 to 20 years instead of three four five years. Mike Florio here on the Rich Eisen Show. All right let's get into the commander's sale is that in jeopardy right now with whatever's going on with Dan Snyder? Well it's either Dan Snyder trying to get a few extra concessions on his way out the door because they're so determined to close the book on Snyder's tenure that maybe they'll agree to whatever those last few things is he wants because they don't want it to blow up that could be it and the Washington Post article on the subject today acknowledged the possibility this is just posturing this is just grabbing a few terms that are favorable to Snyder as he leaves but if there is a bigger issue here and it all comes down to legalese but if they to this and let's use the John Gruden emails lawsuit that is this time somebody leaked those things somebody weaponized those emails to get him pushed out as head coach of the Raiders if his lawsuit in Nevada stays in court and isn't pulled into arbitration by the NFL that thing could blow up with a big settlement or a big verdict so who pays for it who pays for it Snyder doesn't want to pay for it the league doesn't want to pay for it everyone's saying we didn't leak it somebody did and if Gruden is able to pursue this thing in open court the discovery process quite possibly is going to produce the digital footprints that take us back to who leaked it so if that all blows up at some point down the road they want to have it figured out now who's paying for it I think that's the real issue who's going to pay for that plus any other potential litigation that could pop up but that's the one that we know about that's the one I think they want to account for and that article from ESPN that you know it's a long one but it's worth reading it all there's a lot of details in there that I think show that everyone should be concerned about the power that Gruden has and frankly he's got a ton of leverage I mean this would be a good time for him to make an uh make an offer and it would be smart for the league and Snyder to throw some money together to make it go away so John Gruden's email again that story Don Van Natta and Seth Wickersham the uh deep dive long read however you want to put it in ESPN that came out about 24 hours ago um you're you're saying what did you learn about Gruden and whatnot in that that makes you think he's got such a strong case that a settlement might be smart for him or uh it causes the league and Snyder to start arguing about who's indemnified um that caught that holds up the commander's sale I mean what what what just came out that might make you think surface we look at John Gruden's lawsuit and we just kind of sneer because he sent the emails he got what he deserved that's the easy reaction to the Gruden lawsuit the more nuanced approach is those emails were part of a 650,000 document trove that was supposed to be kept entirely secret the league decided we're keeping everything under wraps whether you agree or disagree with their reasoning for doing it that's what they did so somebody pulled off a few of those supposedly secret documents and weaponized them against John Gruden specifically deliberately leaked them knowing what would happen what's going to happen you get this stuff out there and he's done as coach of the Raiders so that's what his claim is these documents supposedly were going to be kept secret were selectively used in an effort to squeeze Mark Davis to get rid of him and you've got a small universe of people that had access Dan Snyder has specified under oath to Congress he didn't do it Roger Goodell has told the owners he didn't do it now when he about it that would have made a very compelling situation if both Goodell and Snyder had testified under oath to Congress they didn't leak it because you can find the right forensics expert to dig to the bottom of this even though the reporters will never disclose who gave them the information you can find out from the league's perspective the commander's perspective somebody's got that that trail of bread crumbs it's going to show who sent those emails out and rich if that's ever brought to light and Gruden is determined and motivated the quote that got me was he wants to burn the NFL's house down if he and he means the league office not the entire operation yeah if he if he's successful with that people should be very nervous because somebody has lied about not leaking them because somebody clearly leaked them and there aren't many people who could have done it so that to me was just the the wow to understand and digest everything they reported and that's why yeah it would be a it would be a good idea to try to settle this case with John Gruden but Gruden based on this report is determined to keep pushing and he'll refuse all easy to say until you got you know 50 60 70 million staring at your butt and I'm just throwing out numbers that would you know presumably get his attention but he's determined to try to to make this happen and expose whoever it was that that leaked the information wow that's all out there okay training camp so you're you're this is your this is your last hurrah of just uh chilling right back at it next week Mike yeah I mean but here's the thing I still I'm still I mean I'm supposed to be on vacation I know I'm calling you I'm calling you I know you were on DP um I get it and look I but I don't mind it I mean my life is a vacation I don't work nice I enjoy this I love it so yeah I'll go down to the beach and get a little more sun today and probably have a few more drinks than I should tonight and then okay we just take the operation back home and it all continues PFT live returns on peacock on July 24 okay so we still keep going I like it I like you know when it gets slow when you're a media outlet that covers the NFL and it gets slow I get nervous it's like is it ever going to come back again please let's come back let's go let's have some news let's have some stuff to talk about oh yeah yeah jets hard knocks coming up hard hey hey hey rich I don't know if you've talked about it this is the angle that I that I have with that this is why I think the jets didn't want to do it because you know the team's got final say over what makes it to air sure but you better be damn sure Aaron Rodgers is okay with ever with whatever you put in there that's the pressure point if whoever is editing that thing and given the up or down guess is wrong and Aaron Rodgers gets upset then you got a problem with Aaron Rodgers that you otherwise could have avoided so here's hoping they put some stuff in there that makes Aaron Rodgers upset and he goes on Pat McAfee show and complains about how they put stuff in there that they shouldn't look at you personally I think it's also um the last time they did it um they had a holdout and that wasn't fun when Reeve is holding out I mean Quinn and Williams is still unsigned I I don't know if that might be a two you know what I mean like there there's there's some of that and just general sense of everybody you know the in the era of control what you can control and I know they can control it um I don't know why it's a distraction you know NFL films is you know it doesn't leave a uh you know a fingerprint they're they're they're the best at it so I don't know we'll find out though it'll be fun oh but everything's a distraction you know how coaches are everything and anything's a distraction when Rex Ryan did it in 2010 the argument was hey we need to get our players accustomed to having all this attention because we intend to go to the postseason and when you get to the postseason the attention becomes unwieldy so you may as well be used to the crush of it now so they tried that my understanding is they tried that argument on the jet to get them to want to do it but it didn't work and that's what's great the first time they've been doing hard knocks for 20 years now that you have a team that truly doesn't want to do it that that could make for some compelling content if you have a team that is resisting actively whatever the NFL is trying to do that's a hard knock for sure thanks for the call Mike greatly appreciate it you're the best enjoy your time you got this Mike Florio I don't think we'll see much of Rogers at all actually um I think we will let me ask this question there have been some really terrible owners in the national footballing in the history of the NFL terrible really bad um all you got to do is read the um the Bo Jackson um biography by Jeff Perlman about Hugh Culverhouse yeah just honestly you could you could just go down the history of NFL owners okay but in terms of the patent disappointment on the field and the behavior behind the scenes and the problems that are caused the ditching of a classic old stadium for a new one that had to happen I mean I get it you know buildings date out but then you move into a new one based on where it's located and how it feels for the fan base to try and make that transition and then trying to build a new stadium in your own town and you can't get a deal done because nobody wants to deal with you based on how you've dealt with them in the town and then taking over media outlets buying them harassing people put it all together is Dan Snyder the worst owner in the history of the national footballing he's definitely on a mount rushmore Washington fans would say yes I mean they hate that guy you have to just put it all together and I know I'm talking about the entirety of this majestic sport that and league that I understand has its flaws but I have seen up close people who are doing their jobs and keep the flame and love doing it and take it seriously I've seen it up close and I understand people think I'm caping but that's it no cap no I but they do allow you know I won't hear a thing from the NFL about what I'm saying right now into this microphone is he the worst owner in the history of the NFL of the issues and the the investigations and Capitol Hill testimony that has been demanded and again the disappointment on the field the meddling the threatening good lord and they still and now they see the finish line and there's still an issue by reaching the finish line and by the way after all of this that I just said about him a six billion dollar payday awaits so that I know the headline is how you know you know the Gruden emails did end Dan Snyder he's been done into the tune of a six billion dollar payday I'd like to be done in by the similar way one day kind of like the Donald Sterling thing who is also on that list well I mean that I mean in terms of elsewhere and I don't want to conflate the two I'm just I'm just talking about here in the NFL because obviously sterling opens up a whole different area my god uh just really like the door is there please let it hit you in the ass on the layout eight four four two oh four rich number to dial here on the rich eyes and show well it can't be more I guess out there than jumping out of a trunk buck naked yeah there's you know what I mean like when you were doing that with the hangover when that was first placed in front of you did you think I don't know if I can do this it was my idea that's how insane I am now hold on just to say yeah it was my what do you mean it was your idea it's a uh Todd Phillips who wrote and directed the movie um it was in in the middle of in the middle of the movie it has Mr Chow jump out Nate oh jump out with his shirt off and his and his slacks on and then I'm and he also wrote and directed old school and I'm this one of my favorite movies of all time and and it was really inspired by really hacking off Will Ferrell like streaking naked it was really inspired by that and so I said well this is a Todd Phillips movie so I I gently pitched to Todd I was like what if Mr Chow just jumped out naked and he was like you don't have to tell me twice I mean he was like he knew the idea was so perfect that he made me sign he made me sign a clause like saying that I cannot change my mind so he got the lawyers involved he got the lawyer literally within half an hour no joke he sent Scott Budnick to like sell like his associate to for me to sign a paper but I had I had already in my head I was like well I actually actually just felt for the good of the story it's weird because in real life I'm not an exhibitionist I don't like to take off my shirt at the beach you know I'm really like it so I think when I'm in character or when especially as Mr Chow you know you're kind of I mean I hate when actors say that but it's true you're a different I'm just a different yeah a different guy that just doesn't that just doesn't care about anything and in many ways there's part of me that I wish I could be like elements of that character where like in real life I'm very sensitive I really care what everyone thinks but as Chow in many ways is so cathartic because this Chow doesn't he doesn't care like hey he don't care it's just he's just an idiot happy birthday to the great brilliant hilarious Ken Jeong back here on the Rich Eisen Show 844-204-rich number to tell Jim Jackson's going to join us in the middle of hour number two we'll talk a little bit of association we didn't discuss this yesterday but the news coming out of the summer league it does appear that the what the board of governors that we were calling it in the NBA right of all the ownership group yeah that they're gonna approve an extra challenge in an NBA game to the coach who gets the first one right I like that it's kind of like the NFL right you get one right your first one right you get you get you get another challenge you get a third right challenge plus yeah I like it I'm into that idea so if you're I guess it's better get it right I think though it should be like the NFL you get two you get the first one right though you get the third you know what I mean you want an extra to the I still do I think they're they haven't gone the full way yet I think there's still two you should be able to challenge until you get one wrong keep challenging well they don't want to do that that that that will stop the flow yeah but I just think there are too many big moments still in the first half of games that that get overlooked overlooked because they still want to hold on to that one challenge for the end of the game and man you if if your staff tells you to challenge something in the first half I still think coaches are going to be stingy about it because they still don't want to blow their one challenge that they're going to get for the end of the game every single which is maybe they should do it like the the the NFL and the fact like okay we'll keep this rule the way we have it one challenge gets you a second if it's successful but in the last two minutes of a game what would it be maybe the last 30 seconds of a game last minute of a game that's the problem is you I guess you don't want it stopped all the time the last two minutes you can't challenge right it's kind of automatic it's automatic I think I think in the NBA in the NBA so they're already doing that right now yeah okay I just want a challenge in the first half how can we come up with a construct where coaches are now able to do that I because honestly if your your guy gets a third foul called on him in the end of the first half and it's dicey I'll I'll I'll fire up the siren I mean the player always wants the challenge that's another problem yeah no challenges in the last two minutes it's automatic there you go they already have it we're so close they should just do it like the NFL but I like the fact that if you get one right you you don't lose it you still have it in your back pocket I just want coaches to fire things up in the first half because some of those are just as important yeah now I know they want to hold it for the end but but if it's a if it's a three-point game and something affects the score in the first half doesn't that have a residual effect on the actual final score well usually on my wallet the little gambling site man ends hour one very good we're still here on uh I mean if someone's getting a third foul in the first quarter or a fourth foul eight in the second quarter yeah those are I think third foul in the second quarter is just as big those are big calls so yeah I mean I like this I'm challenging I liked it I like I like replay anything that gets me more Scott Foster airtime I don't know why you criticize that man Chris because he's been good for Boston he was excuse me so I think his work in the playoffs I think it is work in the playoffs every single time you called him out like it's a Scott Foster game tonight the game was very well officiated I think more often than not that guy's really good I just think it's a problem for the league when your officials are trending on twitter well it's because he people for some reason I don't know why he is the way he looks I don't like your face uh no you don't like his face because there's a history I understand well then you're never gonna he'll never change it except for the fact that in all these games fives and sevens his work has been spot on I know Chris Paul doesn't like him even Chris Paul won a game with him this year first time ever first time for everything was it first time ever or first time in a very long time in like 14 there you go there you go okay a long time I'm just gonna keep having 30-second conversations with you rich and call it killing time that's all sabalenka went down went down mike I'm so sorry so our number two del tufa will go back to not paying attention how wrestling really works and how you get the ratings eric bischoff and conrad thompson explain on 83 weeks collision has been struggling a little bit out of the gate with these ticket sales a little bit out of the gate this was a major show announced on a major network with what everybody thought was this huge star cm punk I said he was going to be the biggest financial flop in wrestling history and I think I'm being proven right every minute of the day 83 weeks on youtube or wherever you listen