REShow: Eddie Olczyk & Alan Shipnuck - Hour 3 (6-6-2023)

This is the Rich Eisen Show. Miami Heat, as I said on the show the other day, it's like Godfather Part 3. Every time you think they're out... Murray to tie it, Heat wins! They pull you back in.

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I think it's the I-don't-give-a-damn factor. Earlier on the show, Big Ten Commissioner Tony Petitti, Baseball Hall of Famer Mr. October Reggie Jackson. Coming up, NHL on TNT analyst Eddie Olchak. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

Our number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. I am literally sitting at Chris Brockman's desk to start this hour because Reggie Jackson has just finished up his hour-long stint here on our program. And he is kindly signing autographs on all of our items. You just got a Chris Brockman, just got a baseball autograph by him.

I got my baseball card autographed by him. Mike, you're literally standing in the way. But you're standing in the way of the camera. Audio guy, sit down, audio guy. We'll get your bench signed. Okay, there you go.

Sit down. Eddie Olchak's about to join us here on this program to talk about the Stanley Cup Final. We just had an incredible hour with Reggie Jackson. In hour number one of this show, we spoke to Tony Petitti, the Big Ten Commissioner, newly freshly minted Big Ten Commissioner. And he spoke about the expansion ideas that folks are ascribing the Big Ten. He didn't really sound like he was into that idea at the moment, but he also is fresh into the office.

We talked about the Live Tour merging with the PGA Tour to start our program. And then if you missed any of those conversations, Reggie is now signing the Yankee Stadium bench that Mike Del Tufo brought in here. That's an actual bench that he is signing from the old Yankee Stadium or he's attempting to sign. If you guys want to lift it up for him or anything like that, help him out.

Oh, he's getting a silver pen. Fantastic. Again, Eddie Olchak's going to join us. Long story short, if you missed anything here on the Roku Channel, we re-air as soon as this hour is over. Channel 210, we re-air as soon as everything's done. Our podcast is a way you can listen to us every single day through the Cumulus Podcast Network. That is a great way to have some fun with us every single day between the hours of 12 and 3 Eastern Time. If you missed anything, we re-air right away.

844-204-RICH is the number to dial right here on this edition of the Rich Eisen Show. So I got my card signed, TJ got his Oakland A's jersey signed, a baseball's been signed, and now our Yankee Stadium bench has been signed by Reginald Martinez-Jackson. Chris, you want to come back here so I can now go back to my seat? You can take over for the next few seconds. This is unbelievable. This is amazing.

Yeah, this is what we're doing right now. Rich is making his way back. Mr. October, one of the greatest moments, I think, in Rich Eisen Show history. I don't think I'm understating that, Mike.

You are not understating it at all. Reggie, thank you so much. Reggie, thank you. That was an incredible hour, sir.

You are a legend. Amazing. Reggie, thank you. Wow. I kind of didn't want to finish this Reggie bar, Rich, because I think if I finish it, that means it's over, and I don't want this day to end right now.

No, we still have 20 more in the box over there. Fantastic. All right, so I'm now back in my show chair.

My desk chair is the great Reginald Martinez-Jackson leaves, and he leaves us better for having found him because we've got a box full of Reggie bars and so many great memories now here on this show. The Miami Heat evened up the NBA Finals series at one game apiece while I was away from the chair, but the Stanley Cup Finals singular is not 1-1. It is all Vegas Golden Knights over the Florida Panthers, and to help us discuss that right here on the Rich Eisen Show.

Getting set to play, what's more likely, Stanley Cup Final Edition presented by NHL on TNT is from the NHL on TNT. Eddie Olchuck back here on the program. How you doing, Eddie? Hey, pal. I just got to say this.

Yes, sir. What an absolute letdown now. Eddie, it's called timing. Timing's everything in life, you know, timing's everything in life. And one thing that you could say timing is, is, you know, the layoff maybe that the Florida Panthers had because they took care of business against Carolina so emphatically and won all those games in overtime. It's so rare that you would say a team that played all those overtime games getting in the Stanley Cup Final is the one that's maybe rusty, but do you think that is, in fact, the case from what we've seen so far, Eddie? Well, it's been a major drop-off, is it not, Rich, since them doing what they did to Carolina and being on such an unbelievable role after round one of being down three games to one to the favorite to win the Stanley Cup this year, the Boston Bruins, and they were on a heater of all heaters.

And then you go away for nine days. And it sure looks like that they, you know, lost that, that swagger, that confidence, they've given up a boatload of goals. They're not given a lot of help to Sergei Petrovskis who ended up getting pulled last night in game two. So, yeah, it's a combination that, you know, Vegas is a pretty damn good team and their goaltender, Aidan Hill, is playing it very well.

The coach very well, they play their system very well and their goal scorers are scoring goals. We're in the Carolina series, Carolina had very limited goal scorers and, you know, the two main guys were both hurt. So, unfortunately for them, they weren't able to play but it's tough to win games without scoring goals. And that was a real tough problem for Carolina, the first three games of that series. So, Stanley Cup final, it looks like Florida has lost a little bit of it. But look, the mindset, we talked about it on our broadcast last night at the end of the game, Rich, we're just saying, look, okay, this is the selling point for Paul Maurice, the head coach of the Florida Panthers. We lost the first two games on the road.

Okay, big deal. It's a best of seven. We just got to go home and win two games in our building and then it's a best of three.

So, I think it's more of a sales job, more of a politician type of verbiage to his team to, you know, regain that confidence. And I think they got to play a low-scoring game, Rich. I don't think that they're in any position right now where, you know, Vegas is not going to be given up. At least I don't believe. Now, maybe there is that one game, but I don't see a 5-4 type of game.

Like, I don't. Like, I think for Florida to get back in the series in a lot of the games that they won and that heater they were on were low-scoring games. So, I think it's got to be one of those 2-1-3-2 type of games where they can get back in the series on Thursday night. It's kind of funny, though, as we're sitting here fresh off of, as I mentioned, at the top of the hour, Miami Heat have even their series won a piece with Denver. And after Game 1, it's just like, well, thanks for playing, Miami.

Nice that you made it. And now, here we are after Game 2, totally different series. And I'm just wondering if you think Florida might be able to knot it up by going back to South Florida and that there is an out... Like, what is the gateway through?

I know you just mentioned a couple of things, but what is the gateway through to get this back to a best of three, maybe, for them? Well, I would be really surprised if they couldn't find a way to win, you know, one game. And you would imagine it would, I don't want to say it has to be, but it would probably tend to be Game 3 just because how amped up everybody's going to be. The desperation is going to be absolutely on the side of the Florida Panthers. The fan base is going to be all lathered up and everybody's going to be ready to go.

So, I just believe is that, you know, and they're going to need it. And I would assume, even though Bobrovsky got pulled, I think you have to go back to him. You know, Alex Lyon was their starting goaltender, you know, toward the end of the year and regular season in the playoffs. He played the first couple of games and then Bob came in and really since he's taken the net, they've gotten the Stanley Cup final because of how awesome he has been. So, they need him somehow, someway to regain.

I don't know if awesomeness is a word, but he's got to find that. And if he does, then that gives them every opportunity to have that pathway, so to speak, as you mentioned, Rich, to get back in the series. But Vegas is really good. They're extremely well coached and they're a big team. They're a heavy team and they're superstar players.

Their offensive players have stepped up to the forefront and that's why they have a 2-0 lead in the series. Eddie Olchek from the NHL on TNT here on the Rich Eisen Show. Eddie, we play a game every week on this program called What's More Likely. My colleague, Chris Brockman, comes up with an either-or situation and you must tell us what is more likely. And I hate to say the word must, but you must, if you don't mind, play What's More Likely. Are you ready, sir? Okay, I'm ready. All right, here we go. We even have a drop for this. Go ahead and hit it. What? What's more likely?

Never say never, but never. All right, here we go. Chris Brockman, it is time for What's More Likely presented by NHL on TNT. Christopher, you have the floor.

All right, four items. Eddie, as you mentioned, been a rough couple games for Sergei Bobrovsky to start the finals. He was awesome in the first three rounds. So what's more likely, we see the Sergei from rounds one to three or from games one and two in game three coming up? I like it. Let's see. Can I say just game one in the Stanley Cup final or not?

I'm going to meet you halfway. I'll say we probably see the Bob of the first two games of the Stanley Cup. Okay, and in terms of just moving forward here, Eddie, Chris does not like wavering. He has come out, he gives you two choices. Make a choice.

You cannot, you can't split it. I think I want to come on your show after Reggie Jacks. Come on, man, you come on the air after Wayne Gretzky on the NHL on TNT. You must be used to it.

Okay, what else you got over there, Chris? All right, Eddie, in the first two games, the Panthers have, you know, racked up a lot of penalty minutes. More than they have shots. Vegas has also scored two power play goals in each of the first two games. What's more likely, Panthers' shots on goal or Panthers' penalty minutes in game three? Oh, shots on goal. I think they're going to, every time they get anywhere near the blue line, the offensive zone, I think they're going to funnel as many pucks to the net. And the one thing they need to do a better job of is don't hesitate because Vegas shot blocking is as good as there is in a National Hockey League all season long. So quick decisions to enforce Aidan Hill, the goal tenor for the BGK to Scott Puck. So I think the shots on goal, they can't, the parade to the penalty box has to stop.

It just has to stop because you're not going to win that battle against the Vegas Golden Knights. Who said you miss a hundred percent of the shots you don't take? Who said that? Well, it was Wayne Gretzky through Michael Scott. Okay, very good. Yeah, I think that's it. Just keep on. I mean, I don't, I don't mean to keep bringing up Wayne Gretzky, but you know, this is, this is, this is it, right? Eddie, this is it. You know, this is it. You're right.

This is it. We're halfway through. What's more likely presented by NHL on TNT?

What do you got there, Eddie? Jonathan Marsha Sow is on a tear right now. Two goals and an assist in game two. Twelve goals in the entire playoff, a seven game point streak. Who's more likely to win the Khan, Smythe, Marsha Sow, or the field? I'll say Jack Eichel.

Oh, I get like it. Buffalo just shut out. I would assume he's, I would assume he's a part of the field, right? Yeah, he is. Yeah, he's in the field. He's in the field. We'll take it. Oh, he got, he got knocked silly into the field.

Did he not? Yeah. I mean, my gosh. All right. What else you got? You did come back and had a couple of beautiful apples in that third. Because he's a hockey player to use the Dan Patrick phrase.

What else you got, Chris? Last one. Eddie Ford has been in this position before. Obviously, they were down 3-1 to Boston in the opening round, then rattled off six straight wins. So, what's more likely, the Panthers win the next two, even it up, or the Knights complete the sweep? I would probably lean more towards a sweep, but I don't see that happening with the choices that I have. So, I do not, I do, I do not see a sweep in this series. Gentlemen's sweep?

So, hold on, hold on, hold on. So, you're saying, like, what is more likely, that this is a sweep? I think more likely is a sweep than them winning the next two games. I think they'll win one of the next two games.

I don't think they can win both games. That's my thought. There you go. See, there you go. Will you accept that answer? Even though it's not one of your choices, Chris. And I do this to him all the time, Eddie.

So, I totally, I get it. I'll accept it as long as Eddie gives me the Belmont Exacta coming up. No, Eddie, don't worry. The post position draws in about an hour and a half, so text me probably Friday morning. We'll hit you soon. But in the meantime, we'll see you on the Stanley Cup final coverage of Game 3 and throughout. Thanks for the time, Eddie. Greatly appreciate it. Okay, Sal. Nice to talk to you. Right back at you.

That's What's More Likely. Stanley Cup Final Edition, presented by NHL on TNT. Witness history unfold as Wayne Gretzky and the NHL on TNT crew bring you the ultimate showdown for one of the most iconic trophies in sports. Watch the Stanley Cup final continue on TNT with Game 3 this Thursday. Fun stuff. 844-204 Rich, number to dial when we come back, we take your phone calls and also the phone call of Alan Shipnuck, Mr. Fire Pit Collective himself, the one who wrote the book on Phil and the quote that started the whole thing with the live tour and the PGA tour. Thanks for joining us on the day we find out there's a merger between the two, that some very warm place has in fact frozen over. 844-204 Rich, number to dial. Don't go anywhere.

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Go for it, Mike Del Tufo. What happens if like something happens to me and 2,500 miles away, my family's there and they don't know, I could be sitting in the apartment alone, dead for days. So I came up with an idea for an app called Just in Case that would be basically you download it and you could check in with this app and other people could see that, A, you're alive still. You could basically be tracked with it.

Just to get the whole story before I completely eviscerate you. How, how, how would you make money doing this? A subscription per month. People are going to pay per month. 99 cents per month.

Very cheap. If your mom calls you for two days and doesn't get an answer, she's probably going to call the super and say, go check on his corpse. Like think about it.

They don't need 99 cents a month for that. Would you want, if it's something you don't have to do, other people can check in. When you're dead, you're dead. Like who cares? How does the app know you're dead? The app doesn't know you're dead. You have to tell it you're not dead. I would tell you that you're not checking in.

Every time you unlock your phone, it would ping and you put people on a list that know that if like your, your mother's in Florida, she could be sitting in the house. You know that at least he's checked in on her phone. If you're their kid, you don't have to talk to him on the phone. You don't have to call him. And if it's a kid, you know the kid. If you think you're, if you're, if you're worried your mother's dead, why don't you call her?

Well, let's say people don't call their mother and father live 2,500 miles away. I just want to make sure you're not dead. Like, are you kidding? You should call your mother every day. No, no, no. I'm talking about like all day. You don't know.

Oh, you want to know the exact moment your mother does you know exactly. Back here on the Rich Eisen show, 844-204-RICH is the number to dial right here on the program. The Rich Eisen show radio network is back on the air. I'm sitting at the Rich Eisen show desk furnished by Grainger with supplies and solutions for every industry.

Grainger is the right product for you. Call clickrainger.com or just stop by. If you're on hold, please stay on hold. I know you sat through an hour or you listened to or enjoyed, I shouldn't say sat through of Reggie Jackson being in studio an hour. Number two, we just talked to Stanley cup final with Eddie Olchuk an hour one. We had Tony Petitti, the big 10 commissioner, but the story of the day is the live tour and the PGA tour forming an alliance.

So I guess the fire pit collective is frozen over. Joining us here right now is Alan Shipnuck, whose work on this front is well known and has been fantastic. And I could not be more appreciative of Alan joining us on this huge day to give us his thoughts. How you doing, Alan? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me, Rich. What happened today, Alan?

Absolute thunderbolt. I mean, this is the biggest story golf has seen, you know, non-Tiger division this century. And there's been so many twists and turns in this in this tale. But we finally have something like a resolution. Many details still need to be worked out. But the war is over and now it's about winning the piece.

And it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out. Well, why did why did the war come to an end? It was it was unsustainable for both sides. You know, the PGA tour to try and, you know, fight off this incursion from the golf had put all its chips on the table, but it was basically borrowed money. They they were tapping the reserves they'd built up and they were trying to squeeze all of their corporate sponsors for more and more support. And the sponsors were pushing back. And I think the tour realized this is we just can't keep going. I mean, AT&T just pulled out of the Byron Nelson, the Honda pulled out of the Honda Classic like the asking price has gotten much too high for the return on the investment.

And for for live golf. It took a monumental effort to launch credit to them. They got this thing off the ground, but their ratings on the CW network were so abysmal, they stopped reporting them. And I think they've realized that it was just a limited audience for for what they were they were proposing. And so they were on this path of, you know, mutually assured destruction to use an old cold war term. And it just made sense to finally put the egos aside and the grievances and the name calling and the lawsuit and all the related bitchiness and just find a solution that was going to be that would make sense for both sides and be sustainable for both sides. And to and beneficial to both sides is neither gets deposed. One, you know, no one in the Saudi government has to be deposed and nobody in the PGA Tour gets sued for antitrust.

Those go away. Everybody puts their, you know, I guess, thoughts aside. And what what what does Jay Monahan say to Rory McIlroy and everybody who turned down that money by making peace with the the organization that paid a whole bunch of his colleagues money?

Everybody's out, if I'm not mistaken, half a billion, at least. What does he say to them? Alan? I'm sorry. Please, please forgive me.

Don't delete my phone number. You know, it's there's still a way for these guys to get paid. I mean, so many details have to be worked out. But the live model is going to endure in some fashion. And they can still they can still pay Rory and give him a franchise.

They could even do that with Tiger, even as a non-playing captain. No doubt there's going to be some makeup money that's going to flow from the public investment fund into some of these these top tour players who remain loyal and renounced and turned down the deals. But, you know, the gold rush is over. There's there's not much leverage anymore. I mean, how much they really they don't really need Rory McIlroy's blessing anymore. They don't need John Romm.

This is happening with or without them. So they will try and make good in some fashion. But there's going to be some very hurt feelings.

And, you know, it's not that the ROMs and the Rorys, they're going to be OK either way. But it's like Rickie Fowler. He turned down seventy five million dollars from live calls. And now he's been in this multi-year slump. You know, he has no leverage.

He has no bargaining power. It's there's a whole other class of player who they're not going to make it up to. And they missed out on a once in a lifetime windfall. So it's going to be a very complex negotiation for for Jay Monahan and some of the other tour loyalists to try and try and work their way through these next few months and years as these guys. You know, they bought into everything that the tour was selling, everything that Monahan was saying. So in the end, you know, money always wins.

And that's really the headline. No, it might not be that they bought into what Monahan was selling. Maybe they didn't want to take the Saudi money.

Maybe they had some sort of a principle that they didn't want to break. And now you're saying that there will be some sort of reparations slush fund funded by the Saudis that that that will be serve as a as a we're sorry, take all the money that that we wanted to offer you and you didn't want to take from us. And is that really what you just suggested, Alan?

Might happen? Well, I love that you're such an idealist, Rich. I am.

I don't have to tell you. No. And I understand, too, is that, you know, the Saudis could come and buy the National Football League. You know what I mean?

Like and then and then and then what, you know? And that's what a lot of people are are are, I guess, extrapolating today to mean. I mean, did the Saudis just buy the golf, Alan?

Did that just happen? They bought a piece of it, for sure, just like they've been buying, you know, English premier football teams and they've been hosting big time F1 races and they've heavyweight boxing bouts and everything from from horse racing to snooker. I mean, the Saudis have just become bigger and bigger players in professional sports. And that makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

Not only so, but it it just is. I mean, they they are they are a factor in the modern life in any number of ways, whether it's a Boeing jet or taking an Uber or all these things that they've become part of the global economy. And sports is now been swept up in that. So, yeah, there's I think every sports league is going to have to gird themselves for it for this this kind of intrusion and sports fans as well. But, you know, if you look at what's happening in the English premier football, the teams that aren't owned, it's not just the Saudis, also the Qataris, the Egyptians, there's there's been a lot of Middle Eastern money that's flown into that sport. And the teams that aren't owned by those interests, the fans are bitter because they don't have the money to compete.

Like if you're you know, if you're a team, whatever your favorite sport is, if there's no salary cap, you know, this is like the Brewers competing against the Yankees. Right. So it's the calculus has changed. I mean, the the the insidious thing about sports washing is that it works because over time people get tired of the debate. They get tired of the preaching, whatever it is, there's just a fatigue set in and people shrug their shoulders and say, OK, I guess this is just the way it is. And that's that's the long game that the Saudis have been playing here.

And it's obviously been proven quite effective. So, yeah, whether it's John Rahm or Rory or Tiger, they have their reasons for saying no to the live golf offers. But they're you know, live golf is now the PGA Tour. They're one in the same. Wow. Alan Shipnuck here on the Rich Eisen Show from the Fire Pit Collective party at Phil's house today.

He's certainly feeling vindicated. I mean, you know, he he's been raging against the machine for a long time of professional golf. And, you know, that it was a sort of antiquated model where the PGA Tour was just just five oh one C3 nonprofit. They couldn't take an outside investment.

They couldn't sell equity. And he felt like golfers and every stakeholder in the game was losing out on the real big money. And he was right, for sure.

I mean, this has been this has proven it. And, you know, it came at a high cost reputationally for Phil, but, you know, he cashed in. He took he took the money up front and he owned the live franchise.

And there's a lot of detail that still needs to be worked out. But the live golf model of having these teams is not going to go away. And so the players who own these franchises, those values just skyrocketed because all of a sudden you're going to you're going to get all the best players together in these these joint events that are going to be televised on the on the major networks, not on CW or not on not on YouTube. So the TV money is going to flow, the exposure, the corporate sponsorships. And, you know, to your earlier point, like there's there's this uneasiness about doing business with Saudi Arabia, even though everyone does it. I mean, whether it's the biggest tour sponsors have huge interest to sponsors, have huge interest in Saudi Arabia, whether it's FedEx or Coca-Cola or Morgan Stanley, they all do business over there.

But it's been sort of on the down low. And this is going to change that it's like the all of a sudden their official staff approval in the world of golf has been granted to do business. So the value of these these live franchises is going to be what they always hoped it would be. And so a guy like Phil, who owns, you know, a big chunk of his team and Bryson and Brooks Koepka and Dustin Johnson, I mean, they're getting paid coming and going. They got the money to sign.

Now they're going to make the money on the franchises. So the players who stay below the PGA Tour are losing out both ways. So then describe to me here, because this is, I think, the most confusing aspect is so many fans in the first blush moments of this stunning news that the live tour and the PGA Tour are going to join forces after the PGA Tour said, you know, never. So are you saying that there's going to be some PGA Tour events? They'll decide which ones they are that are just going to be live tour and the it's going to be the same branding, but under the PGA Tour umbrella, anyone can join a team is going to be a team aspect of like, how does this work? Yeah, well, so many so many details are unknown, but it's not going to be a live or a tour event. It's going to be this new entity.

They haven't even named it yet. So it's going to be a whole third rail. You'll have your traditional PGA Tour events in Phoenix and in Pebble Beach and all those places. But then there was already going to be contraction of the PGA Tour schedule because the as the tours devoted more and more money and attention to the biggest names and the glitziest events, they were losing sponsorships and these sort of B list events were going to wither and blow away anyway. Now what's going to happen, those spots that open up on the calendar, they're going to plug in these new events, you know, whatever they're called, live slash tour, and the players are going to be able to flow back and forth. So how that's going to that's going to be very contentious, how they're going to who the gatekeeper is going to be and how that's going to play out. That's going to take a long time to figure out. But basically, you know, Roy doesn't want to play in those.

That's his choice. But I think you can expect all the top players are going to go to these events and it's going to be sort of this super schedule where you have the elevated PGA Tour events and then you have this new tour within a tour that's going to have the team component. And so there'll be all the best live players and there'll be some of the best PGA Tour players. And as a golf fan, I think it's a huge win. You're just going to get all the, you know, because the way that the tours have been separated, they're only coming together now four times a year at the majors. That's what made the Masters and the PGA Champions so electric. You have the live guys against the tour guys.

Well, now they're going to be mixing a lot more often. And I'm in the minority here, but I've enjoyed the team aspect on live. I think it's been cool. And you know, I won't have to pretend to hate it because you had to pick a side and modern life is so polarizing.

You can't see any nuance. And so all the tour loyalists said, oh, the team stuff's lame and live. But it's been, if you got into it, it's been fun to follow. And so now, I mean, the last thing we need is more 72-hole stroke play events. Like the PGA Tour is so tedious, it's the same thing week after week. So these new events, whatever they're called, will just bring a whole different dimension to it. You'll have these built-in rivalries and live has already very cleverly created these team identities with one team's all Australian, one's all South African, one is all Asian, one is Latin American, and so you get these built-in rooting interests. And so now you add the friction of bringing together the tour loyalists and the live guys. I think if you can set aside your qualms about where the money is coming from, and that's not easy for a lot of people, and I understand, as a golf fan, I think your life just got better. Instead of having the John Deere Classic with no stars in it, you're going to get these mega combined events with a different format.

I think it has a chance to be really, really exciting and impactful, and just speaking as a golf consumer. So a couple more minutes for you, Alan. Two more questions for you, Alan Shipnuck, here. What does it mean for the guy who's 250, 300 on the tour? What does this mean for the rank and file, if you will?

Yeah. Well, they've already been marginalized. I mean, with the PGA Tour and its battle to keep its top players, they bifurcated the schedule where you have these elevated events, huge money, all the top players, and you had all these other events, much smaller money, and that was left for the journeymen, basically. So their life had already changed, and however, they will have opportunities because the European Tour is part of this announcement, because it's been pitched to the PGA Tour institutionally for the last year, and Live, Goblet, the Asian Tour has poured a lot of money in. So there's always going to be a place to play, but it might not be in Arizona or Florida. You might have to go to Kuala Lumpur or Madrid, but there will be opportunities for these guys to play, and there'll be good money because the PIF is now going to open the spigot and kind of take care of the entire golf ecosystem. But it's clear golf has gone to a star system. They've prioritized the big names, Live made that happen, and the tour responded. And so these guys have a place to play, they'll probably make more money, but there's going to be some long plane flights in their future. And then the last question is, as you mentioned, the reimagining of what the PGA Tour looks like in a season of golf looks like. Is it possible that PIF, PIF as you referred to, decides to anoint a new fifth major? Because the majors are already, some of them, the purse isn't the largest on the tour for some of these majors.

Is it possible they decide, we're just going to create a new spot, we're going to pour a ton of money and make one purse so damn big, the media and the players will be forced to consider it as one of the most important events? They don't have that power. That belongs to a much more learned, sophisticated, and important constituency.

The sportswriters. We decide what matters. Nice. Nice.

Attaboy. Look at you. I mean, the PGA Tour has pumped money into the players' championship forever. No one considers it a major. Money is not what makes these things matter. It's history, it's venue, it's provenance.

So they could create a, they could have a half billion dollar purse, it doesn't make it a major, it just makes it decadent. So the majors, the majors, their importance will remain, but the landscape is certainly going to change around week to week leading up to the tournaments that really matter. And I guess if Live Tour and the PGA Tour are getting together, are you and Greg Norman, BFFs again? Right? Now you're together?

Right? I mean, Greg, this has been 30 years in the making for Greg Norman. He's finally gotten this indication, he's sought, he's finally gotten the validation from the PGA Tour. So Greg's happy. My relationship with Greg comes and goes, but I will say, I mean, he's been the driver in all this and whatever your personal feelings about the guy, you have to tip your cap and say his force of will, this vision he had back in 1994, I mean, he has reshaped the sport in a profound way.

So whatever his shortcomings as a human being, as a businessman and as a visionary, I mean, he's looking pretty good today. Well, at least the photograph of this moment in time for me, the Live Tour versus PGA Tour will always, that photograph of him staring a hole through you while you are being pulled aside, that's it for me, Alan, I'll be honest with you. It's the classic.

It's the classic of the genre. And yeah, I'm glad that I impacted you so deeply. You always do. Keep looking for more of my phone calls. I know you're, you got a lot of people pulling at you today. I appreciate you calling into my show, Alan. Appreciate it. Yeah, you got it.

It's always fun. Thank you. That's Alan Shipnook, the Fire Pit Collective writer who is at the center of everything right here on our program. Crazy, isn't it, Chris?

I am stunned, I'm stunned. I'm just wondering, you know, they're having this meeting later at the Canadian Open. 4 p.m. Eastern Time. What do the players say? There's a lot of people tweeting out that some of the guys who are in that famous Delaware meeting where they kind of reshaped the tour, Tiger and Rory, the videos of those guys getting off the private jets, that these guys feel manipulated and it's like, what are they going to say to Jay Monahan face to face with him today? WTF?

What's your malfunction? Is it a walkout situation? Do these guys just not play the Canadian Open this week in a form of silent protest? I don't know, because as you just heard Alan say that there's going to be, you know, the amount of funds that the PIF, which is, again, the Public Investment Fund, which is the Saudi money, has to be so insanely significant that the PGA Tour said yes.

And that it's going to fund what he mentioned. Maybe whoever's got just got their tour card, you're now like a 53rd man or 50th man on the roster in the NFL, you get a minimum salary, you get all those benefits, you get your pension starting to fund, you get all that sort of stuff, or you got to have a few years in, but at least you started, you're now in the pros. And they'll have to fund all of that, they'll have to fund, I guess, as he mentioned, you know, so many sponsors are like, we can't afford that money, so there won't be any sponsors now, or the PIF decides who the sponsors are, and then you're trying to see what it looks like in terms of reparations, that he mentioned how there are still going to be franchises, and Alan mentioned, Alan Shipnuck just joined us from the Fire Pit Collective, he mentions how that the team aspect, as he's watched live golf, he kind of thinks it's cool and it's kind of fun and you can follow it, and then there's certain teams of just, that adds geographic interest to it, so there's a certain sort of Ryder Cup to it, like it's the European team versus an American team versus a South African team versus a New Zealand team, so there's some nationalistic part of it, and that some events will be that, it'll be different than the 72 hole aspect, and it'll be fresh potentially to look at, and that in order for Rory to make up some of the cash he gave up, you've got a team now, you now own that franchise, and so that's a way to kind of make it up, like reparations, I don't know, and then the question is- Is that acceptable if you're Rory, like, hey, I took all these slings and arrows for a year and a half- I don't know. And you're giving me ownership of a team? It wouldn't be for me. Me neither. A lot of people are saying this is a great day for the golf fan, because now we kind of get what we wanted all along, all the best players playing against each other all the time. I don't feel like this is a great day for me, and I'm a huge golf fan, I kind of feel dirty now.

I feel similar to that as well, because it's first blush, and you heard I went all in, I breathed fire on this thing to start the program, and I feel the same way about you, I'm wondering if I feel the same way months from now- Maybe, I don't know. I don't know either, but what this is going to have to do is bring these two factions together in a way that they're cool with it, and that's going to take a long ass time. I can only imagine it's going to take a long time for this marriage to feel like they love each other again, because you have to wonder what to call it also. What do you call this, this live versus... This new live PGA tour relationship, like what's it called? Is it just golf plus? Golf plus? PGA plus. PGA plus, because you just put a plus on everything, or I know what to call it.

Certainly since it's just a shocker, it's a total shocker of development, and two sides that don't love each other, but have to be with each other, I know what to call it. Call it Max. There you go. Call it Max. Call it the Max tour. Golf Max. The Golf Max tour. I don't know, because we saw it on Max a couple Sundays ago.

The Shiv tour. You know? I'm just really dying. I really can't wait to see- And Womsgans. I mean, honestly, they're going to be like barely holding hands together for a while, and then these are going to have to be serious conversations with boatloads of money, and a lot of apologies. It's just going to take more than... Like Jay Monahan, I'd love to know how long he has allotted in his schedule for this 4 p.m. Eastern meeting at the Canadian Open today. It better be more than an hour, because there's going to be a line out the door, because again, you've got... What are the Mark Hubbards, Rich Eisen's show favorite Mark Hubbard? Our guy.

I mean, he was talking about, I don't have childcare sometimes. What does this mean for him? When are we going to hear from Tiger, and Rory, and John, Bob? Well, the U.S. Open is here in town next week. It's going to be absolutely insane. Next week. I'm already seeing signs all over L.A. for parking. And by the way, miles away from the course, I might ask. $500. I mean... It's going to be crazy. Wow.

844-204-RICH-NUMBER-DADOLL will take your phone calls to wrap up this crazy, wild, jam-packed Tuesday edition of the Rich Eisen Show. Get an inside look at Hollywood with Michael Rosenbaum, actress Kristin Ritter. Your parents let you travel by yourself. It was a different time. They just put you on a train. As a 15-year-old girl, you went to New York.

I went on a bus, and I did get picked up at Port Authority. They thought I was a runaway. What would they do?

They'd detain you and get people on the phone, and then they finally let you go to your modeling job. How many times did it happen? Once or twice.

It just seems like it wouldn't happen. It happens. Yeah.

Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum, wherever you listen. Are you still playing fantasy football? Are you still doing that? Not really, no. I'm in a league, but I don't control it when my buddies control it for me. Well, because I know we've had conversations about this before, and that there are some interesting, I guess, tasks that the loser of this league must undertake. So are you, if you lose, even though you're not part of the day-to-day operation? Oh, yeah. They'll hold me to it. Absolutely. I don't even know if I can tell you who's on my team right now, but if I were to lose, they would absolutely hold me to it, and we'd have to go take care of business.

What are some of the fails that I guess that you have to go to, some of the responsibilities of the losers of your league? Last year, the loser had to go to Alaska for a day. What do you mean? For a day? Yeah.

Okay. They went to a place called Nome, Alaska. That's where the Iditarod, it goes through there, I think.

So the loser, regardless of the geographic spot in the United States, would have to, for a day, get on a plane and prove proof of purchase of the ticket and then take a photo. Oh, yeah. I mean, there was tasks involved. I think he went in March, but it was, yeah, it was a whole thing, and that was just last year's issue.

It'll be entirely different. What other previous years? Any other examples? Because that's amazing.

You have to go to Nome, Alaska. The year before, the loser, you know, Parcel Sports does the rough and rowdy, the boxing field. He fought in that at the Super Bowl, the year we were there.

He was fighting in the boxing on Friday night before the game there. Oh, my gosh. You do not want to lose your fantasy league. No, you don't.

No, that's why I try to put a lot of faith in my body of throwing. Check out our YouTube page, as well, to keep up to speed on everything we do here. Back here on The Rich Eisen Show, 844-204-rich, number denial. Jimmy in San Antonio has been hanging on forever and a day. Jimmy, hope you enjoyed the show, hanging on for as long as you did. What's going on, Jimmy?

Well, I've got a couple of jokes, and then we'll get to the real stuff. First of all, so glad Olchek follows Señor Martinez Jackson and not me. That was hard to follow. Shout out to Ted Lang, Isaac from the Love Club, and when Reggie said, hey, Rich, I met the Queen in 75, you said the real one?

Well, I mean, with Reggie Jackson, you got to delineate between the real and the fake queen, right? I know, but the young Rich Eisen Show, you were eight years old during that whole interview. That was very cool. Thanks, pal. All right, now to LivVid.

I am LivVid. I don't know. This could be June 6, 2023, a huge pendulum swing in sports for every league. This is insane, because don't the PGA know who their money demo is, older and predominantly conservative and American, and now the Saudis just bought us out? I don't know. They said they wanted to get younger, Jimmy. They said they wanted to get younger, and that this is a way to speak to the youth.

Well, the youth don't bank with JP Morgan, they don't bank with Charles Schwab, they don't buy Genesis or BMW. This does not look good, in my opinion, I don't know for sure, but you see where I'm going with this. This is not good. I appreciate it, Jimmy, thanks for hanging on as long as you did. Thanks, brother. I think we've covered this subject matter significantly on today's program.

And I guess, speaking of breathing fire, Paddy Considine, the king from the newest version of Game of Thrones, is the House of Dragons, he'll be on tomorrow's program. And I gotta be honest with you, man, we're so fortunate to do what we do every day, thanks to our partners throughout the year and our latest one, and hopefully our forever one, Roku and the Roku Channel. I don't know where eating Reggie bars, all of us with Reggie Jackson himself will rank. That's a top fiver, right?

Absolutely. Of my life. That's a top fiver. Reggie threw me a Reggie bar. I know, because I was throwing it, but I have this huge mic in front of my throwing hand, so I was a little bit off and he goes, give me that. He was upset with my throwing, which is just the latest example of my physical attributes showing why I talk about stuff for a living. And he throws out Reggie bars to all of us and decides to open one up and I'm like, okay, I'll have one too. Chris was already done with his.

You already finished mine? This may be the first Reggie bar I've had since I was 10 when he was talking about 1979. And then asking him about his third home run of the night to wrap up the 1977 World Series in game six in Yankee Stadium, the old Yankee Stadium, and how I told him, as he got to tell him to his face, that was the moment if I had to remember when I became a baseball fan. That might just be four and a half decades later, a false memory.

I don't know. But if you asked me, hey, when did you first fall in love with baseball? I'd say, that was it. That was the moment.

And be able to tell it to that guy to his face on this show with my name on it is like childhood memory. Wow. Yeah.

Right. I mean, no, my biggest home run for me was earlier in September when, you know, I beat the Red Sox in the ninth inning where if we had lost, we would have been a half game out. Instead, we were a game and a half up, and that was a win that helped propel us to the playoffs and thus that moment he had in Yankee Stadium. And I looked down at the baseball card I had since I was a kid that I was having here with him and on the back, the note, which just seems like, yeah, okay, it's kind of funny that that this is the note on the back of a Reggie Jackson baseball card.

He had a two run home run on September 14th, 1977 to beat the Boesocks in the ninth inning. And that's the moment he was talking about. I had no idea that was in the back of the baseball card that he then signed. And the thing is, you read that probably hundreds of times and you just just kind of just remember it. I don't know if you ever saw it.

I got out of the out of the casing just to read it and I'm like, holy cow, that's the base. That's the home run you were talking about. He didn't know the date.

Now he does. September 14th, 1977. By the way, that was a two nothing game. It was zero zero in the ninth and he had a two run homer to win it.

Out of respect to you, I didn't ask him to remember the Bucky Dent home run where he was. Well, I wasn't born yet, so that's okay. I got to, not only was I born, I got to stay home from Hebrew school for that game. We all watched that that afternoon. Even Joel and Nev Eisen knew that was a significant game I had to stay home for in the afternoon. I'm not going to Hebrew school, not today.

I'll learn about Abraham another time, essentially is what I said. That was my message. My parents picked up what I was putting down. Rich, your Messiah that day was Bucky Dent. He was my, it was my Bucky Dent. The book of Bucky.

The book of Bucky. So I want to thank Reg, Eddie Olchuk, that was funny. I got to follow Reggie. I'm like, well, you follow Wayne Gretzky on TNT.

Yeah, same thing. Alan Shipnuck and a late add and I greatly appreciate him and Tony Petitti, the Big Ten Commissioner. What a show. What a show.

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